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I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
I don't have the answer but I can recommend you to contact Samsung wireless. They certainly have much more credibility.
Good luck
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
incisivekeith said:
I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
darkkterror said:
All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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Truth be told. LTE has more in command with CDMA in terms of radio/air interfaces. It covered within 3GPP standards (GSM then EDGE, the UMTS, HSDPA, etc). Rather than 3GPP2 for CDMA1x and EVDO. That's why Alcatel Lucent had a leg up on LTE since its deployment is more akin (specterally) to CDMA. But they dropped the ball, and except for the US and Some Asian markets, the rest of the world has 3GPP based networks deployed.
the Simple version, is LTE is not directly compatible with any 2G/3G technology, but since its covered in 3GPP, the standards evolved quicker to ensure GSM/EDGE/HSDPA interworking.
And beyond that.. what most people dont know, that interworking doesnt really work that widespread yet. In the US most mobile handsets operate on dual frequencies (especially all VzW models, ATT models are catching up) so they effectively talk CDMA1x and LTE at the same time. iPhones do not support that capability, but GSM has work arounds to allow talk+data.
i'll go back to me hole now
(btw.. anyone with iOS7 and ATT.. what out you've got problems you dont know about when going back forth from 3G to 4G.. I know since at work we talked about how to fix it..
I believe a rumor was that it has the same LTE baseband chip as the iphone 5s so that you could potentially use the Verizon version on AT&T and T-mobile...any truth to that?
incisivekeith said:
I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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geoff5093 said:
Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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mchlwvr614 said:
I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Stock rom, rooted to allow apn editing.
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Global-ready is basically verizon's way of saying that it has a GSM 3G radio as well as a CDMA radio. That allows the phone to operate in Europe where there is no CDMA service. You can purchase international service from Verizon, or purchase a SIM from a European carrier while overseas. All verizon 4G phones have a GSM 4G radio anyway, because LTE is GSM.
(This means that with an LTE carrier in Europe, any 4G Verizon phone can get data in Europe even if they can't place voice calls (VoIP still possible)).
If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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the different N3 variants due in fact support different LTE bands, so you are correct. Minor point not worth nitpicking from earlier post, GSM is not LTE. they both evolved from the same 3GPP standards body, but portions spread spectrum nature of LTE is more similar to CDMA than GSM.
I went to Korea last October, and they wouldn't allow prepaid 4g LTE. They would only allow 3G for prepaid service.
I had a note 2 rooted and custom rom when I went. I'm a US citizen and you have to wait about 2-3 days before you are allowed to sign up for any plan on what they told me.
Hey everyone!
I've been looking on the OnePlus forums lately, and lots of people have questions about carrier compatibility with the One. Personally, carrier compatibility is the biggest factor when it comes to buying an unlocked phone, so I decided to make this thread to help guide people with compatibility with their carriers. According to OnePlus's website, the bands that are supported are as follows:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE: Bands: 1/3/4/7/17/38/40
Now, I am going to start with USA compatibility. If anyone else would like me to add compatibility with their carrier, please reply to the thread, and I'll see what I can do. Hopefully, this will benefit all members of the community.
USA
AT&T
2G/EDGE/GPRS : Supported on both 850 and 1900 MHz bands
3G/UMTS/HSPA : Supported on both bands 2 and 5.
LTE : Only supported on bands 4 and 17. Bands 2 and 30 are not supported; however, they are usually only deployed to create extra bandwidth in high capacity areas. Band 17 is AT&T's major LTE band.
MVNOs of AT&T : Straight Talk, Net10, AIO
T-Mobile
2G/EDGE/GPRS : Supported on both 850 and 1900 MHz bands
3G/UMTS/HSPA : Supported on both bands 2 and 4 ("4G" HSPA+)
LTE: Supported on currently deployed Band 4. However, T-Mobile plans to deploy Bands 2 and 12 to extend coverage. So, if you have LTE signal now, you're okay. If you don't, then you most likely never will with the One.
MVNOs of T-Mobile : MetroPCS, Ultra Mobile, Lycamobile, Straight Talk, Net10
Sprint
INCOMPATIBLE
Verizon
INCOMPATIBLE
TELUS Details
TELUS is one of the 9 cellular networks in Canada. TELUS is owned and operated by Koodo Mobility and Telus Mobility
TELUS has an average 3G download speed of 4.3 Mb/s, which is better than the global average of 1.8 Mb/s.
TELUS is a 4G network. 4G is the latest generation of cellular technology, allowing high definition video streaming and crystal clear voice calls. We first recorded TELUS 4G on the 11th of Nov 2011. TELUS has an average 4G download speed of 15 Mb/s, which is than the global average of 8.1 Mb/s.
TELUS uses the UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900 frequency bands for its network
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How to figure out whether AT&T or T-Mobile would be best for Straighttalk?
UNITED KINGDOM
It'll work fine on:
EE (Bands 3 & 7 supported by OPO)
Partially:
Three (Band 3 supported, Band 20 isn't by OPO. Band 20 people say will be used for rural areas)
No LTE:
O2 and Vodafone (Both use Band 20 which isn't support by OPO)
3G will obviously be fine however.
Sources:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/c...clear-up.8034/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...etworks#Europe
dracinn said:
How to figure out whether AT&T or T-Mobile would be best for Straighttalk?
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You check the coverage map in your area for each of those providers. The one with better service in your area is the one to go for.
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FuMMoD said:
You check the coverage map in your area for each of those providers. The one with better service in your area is the one to go for.
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Thanks AT&T (Straighttalk) for me.
dracinn said:
Thanks AT&T (Straighttalk) for me.
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That's the cool thing about ST you get the choice of 2 different providers. Glad you were able to figure out the better of the two for your uses. Don't forget to check in areas where you frequently travel to as well.
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http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/carrier-confusion-clear-up.8034/
More carriers and more countries that it's compatible with
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treChoy said:
T-Mobile
LTE: Supported on currently deployed Band 4. However, T-Mobile plans to deploy Bands 2 and 12 to extend coverage. So, if you have LTE signal now, you're okay. If you don't, then you most likely never will with the One.
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I have the Samsung Galaxy Light SGH-T399. It works on T-M's current LTE 1700/2100MHz (band 4), but also 700MHz (band 17), which T-M just purchased from Verizon. A few other newer T-M phones are also made to work on this 700Mhz band. It seems that they were planning ahead.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...TE-network-with-spectrum-from-Verizon_id51000
http://www.phonearena.com/news/As-s...can-look-forward-to-faster-4G-service_id55705
The OnePlus One also works on this 700HMz (band 17) frequency.
Good news for those lucky enough to have LTE with T-Mobile. The 700 band penetrates buildings better, so you'll have a better signal inside Wal*Mart or if you live deep inside a large apartment complex.
Planterz said:
I have the Samsung Galaxy Light SGH-T399. It works on T-M's current LTE 1700/2100MHz (band 4), but also 700MHz (band 17), which T-M just purchased from Verizon. A few other newer T-M phones are also made to work on this 700Mhz band. It seems that they were planning ahead.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...TE-network-with-spectrum-from-Verizon_id51000
http://www.phonearena.com/news/As-s...can-look-forward-to-faster-4G-service_id55705
The OnePlus One also works on this 700HMz (band 17) frequency.
Good news for those lucky enough to have LTE with T-Mobile. The 700 band penetrates buildings better, so you'll have a better signal inside Wal*Mart or if you live deep inside a large apartment complex.
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Very true. T-Mo will probably use this band to expand coverage, Good catch :good:
However, it should be worth noting that T-Mo plans to cannibalize (AKA "refarm") its EDGE network into LTE. This may sound great; however, this EDGE that they will be converting will be broadcasted on the 1900 MHz spectrum (Band 2 LTE). The OPO will not support Band 2, so OPO users on T-Mo will not be able to take advantage of LTE in many rural areas and markets.
Will the phone work in India? Vodafone is my carrier.
Portugal
2G - Full compatibility with Optimus, TMN and Vodafone
3G - Full compatibility with Optimus, TMN and Vodafone
LTE - Compatibility on 1800MHz and 2600MHz frequencies which should cover big population agglomerates on Optimus, TMN and Vodafone. 800MHz left out, so outside cities (and probably inside buildings and small cities) it will most likely revert to 3G.
treChoy said:
AT&T
LTE : Only supported on bands 4 and 17. Bands 2 and 30 are not supported; however, they are usually only deployed to create extra bandwidth in high capacity areas. Band 17 is AT&T's major LTE band.
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Curious, was this written by OnePlus's P.R. team? Because it really downplays what I consider one of the biggest problems with this phone, namely that it is missing half the LTE bands used by AT&T, the biggest OPO-compatible carrier in the U.S.
The argument, "Oh but they're barely deployed", is pretty weak. The fact is the bands ARE deployed, and they're only going to get deployed more because carriers aren't exactly in the business of wasting their valuable licensed spectrum. In high traffic areas where they're in use I assume it would be pretty desirable to have them because the other two bands might be over capacity, or maybe they aren't even operating on the tower you're hitting.
Everyone seems to be brushing this off. I guess it's OK to settle after all?
Italy
2G: full compatibility with TIM;
3G: full compatibility with TIM;
4G: compatibility with TIM only 1800 and 2600 MHz, band 3 and 7.
Jubi Lee said:
Curious, was this written by OnePlus's P.R. team? Because it really downplays what I consider one of the biggest problems with this phone, namely that it is missing half the LTE bands used by AT&T, the biggest OPO-compatible carrier in the U.S.
The argument, "Oh but they're barely deployed", is pretty weak. The fact is the bands ARE deployed, and they're only going to get deployed more because carriers aren't exactly in the business of wasting their valuable licensed spectrum. In high traffic areas where they're in use I assume it would be pretty desirable to have them because the other two bands might be over capacity, or maybe they aren't even operating on the tower you're hitting.
Everyone seems to be brushing this off. I guess it's OK to settle after all?
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I agree, the lack of proper LTE bands really are a turn-off for this phone. Just look at our friends in Europe, whose widely-deployed LTE Band 20 is not supported. I'm not saying that the LTE bands here on AT&T are optimal, but it's worth pointing out that it could be worse. The fact that the One supports Band 17 should be satisfactory for many users; it's AT&T's low-frequency band, so theoretically, it should cover the most people. The higher frequencies would only make sense being deployed in areas with mass congestion. So in cities, it's fair to assume that you'll get lower-than-average LTE speeds.
Now, it could be worse. Take a look at T-Mo users (like myself). We're pretty much getting screwed over. Band 4 LTE, the band that they're using now, is very high frequency. Building penetration sucks. Coverage and range sucks. Their network currently is weak. The new bands they are deploying will be lower frequency, so they should provide more coverage and reliability. However, of course, the OPO doesn't support them, which is a major blow to T-Mobile USA customers.
But hey, for $300 for an amazingly-spec'd phone, we have to expect that some compromises had to be made.
anuj247 said:
Will the phone work in India? Vodafone is my carrier.
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India
Vodafone
2G/EDGE/GPRS : most likely supported
3G/UMTS : Yes, Band 1 UMTS is utilized by Vodafone India, and it's supported by the One.
4G LTE : not supported by Vodafone
Anyone knows if it will work in Croatia?
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Anyone knows if it will work in Croatia?
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Any specific carrier?
What about The Netherlands?
Carriers:
Tele2
T-Mobile
KPN
Vodafone
Finland:
All operators (Elisa, Sonera, DNA).
2G 900,1800MHz are both supported
3G 900, 2100MHz are both supported
4G/LTE Channels 3(1800MHz) and 7(2600MHz) are supported. Channel 20(800MHz) is not supported
Lack of support for channel 20 will limit LTE only to densely populated areas.
Hi all, I'm wondering if I may trouble you with a quick question.
I recently bought a Galaxy S5 (Galaxy S5 G900F) in the hopes to have it future proof as I move to Canada next year and would like to have a solid phone for about two - three years. I'm based in Ireland at the moment and wondering can the phone be used in Canada without issue?
I was looking at a phone company (Koodo) who offer great rates and once I inputted my IMEI it stated my phone wouldn't work on their network.
Surely the S5 would work on any network throughout the globe? Last year my Note 3 worked perfectly in America and it was an international edition also.
Is this a hardware issue (radios) or software (were a simple flash of a different rom could fix)?
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
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Surely the S5 would work on any network throughout the globe?
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Okay, let me ask you this question. If the S5 should work around the world.. why does Samsung have a dozen S5 variants?
Figured it out yet? Ironically the hardware is capable of supporting all GSM and LTE bands world wide. But Samsung endeavors to sell their phones for higher prices in more affluent countries. And carriers don't want to make it easy for you to jump ship and sign your phone up to another network. So they have artificial restrictions in the firmware and other measures e.g. region locking, SIM locks, to limit what you can do. They have to allow enough compatibility that you could usually roam when traveling. But not complete compatibility or you might buy a cheaper S5 from another country. Or change carriers willy nilly.
Yup, great system.
And so it is for your phone. It will work most of the time in Canada. But it isn't 100% compatible and you may find that it can't operate on the necessary bands in fringe areas or for niche carriers.
Most of the bands are the same between the S5 900F (yours) and the S5 900W8 (Canada)
The differences, I believe are:
2G: same for both
3G: Most bands are the same. But you have B8(900) in place of Canadian band B4(1700 aka AWS)
4G: Most bands are the same. But you have B5(850), B20(800) instead of Canadian bands B4(1700 aka AWS), B17(700)
In the case of Fido, their site says:
Fido said:
Things to Know
Your device must be compatible with the Fido network, which uses GSM, UMTS, HSPA and HSPA+ at 850 MHz and 1900 MHz and LTE at 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz. If you are unsure of how to check the frequencies your device supports, try the manufacturer's official website and search for the specifications for your particular phone/smartphone model;
If your device is currently locked, it needs to be unlocked by the carrier you bought it from;
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It appears to me that your phone supports all of the Fido bands. And most, but not all of the bands on other Canadian carriers. I don't believe that your phone will work at all on niche carriers Wind or Mobilicity.
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fffft said:
Okay, let me ask you this question. If the S5 should work around the world.. why does Samsung have a dozen S5 variants?
Figured it out yet? Ironically the hardware is capable of supporting all GSM and LTE bands world wide. But Samsung endeavors to sell their phones for higher prices in more affluent countries. And carriers don't want to make it easy for you to jump ship and sign your phone up to another network. So they have artificial restrictions in the firmware and other measures e.g. region locking, SIM locks, to limit what you can do. They have to allow enough compatibility that you could usually roam when traveling. But not complete compatibility or you might buy a cheaper S5 from another country. Or change carriers willy nilly.
Yup, great system.
And so it is for your phone. It will work most of the time in Canada. But it isn't 100% compatible and you may find that it can't operate on the necessary bands in fringe areas or for niche carriers.
Most of the bands are the same between the S5 900F (yours) and the S5 900W8 (Canada)
The differences, I believe are:
2G: same for both
3G: Most bands are the same. But you have B8(900) in place of Canadian band B4(1700 aka AWS)
4G: Most bands are the same. But you have B5(850), B20(800) instead of Canadian bands B4(1700 aka AWS), B17(700)
In the case of Fido, their site says:
It appears to me that your phone supports all of the Fido bands. And most, but not all of the bands on other Canadian carriers. I don't believe that your phone will work at all on niche carriers Wind or Mobilicity.
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Thank you very much for your reply. I figured it would be something to do with the radio.. Will check the bands for the network Koodoo, if it falls in ok and I can find a firmware to flash which hopefully should do the trick. Hell I might even just sell before I go, make it easier.
Cheers
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Will check the bands for the network Koodoo
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Koodo is a secondary brand of Telus.
They use 3G 850 CLR/1900 PCS
And 4G /LTE 1700/2100 (and possibly 700 in the future)
You are missing their 1700 LTE band, sometimes referred to as AWS. So you will have to find out how extensively they use that band and whether it is a sole frequency in any areas.
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fffft said:
Koodo is a secondary brand of Telus.
They use 3G 850 CLR/1900 PCS
And 4G /LTE 1700/2100 (and possibly 700 in the future)
You are missing their 1700 LTE band, sometimes referred to as AWS. So you will have to find out how extensively they use that band and whether it is a sole frequency in any areas.
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Thanks very much for all your help fffft, it's much appreciated.
I updated my Verizon XT1060 4.4.2 to the 4.4.4 with the posted method in the other thread. [FXZ] Moto X 4.4.4 212.55.26 (XT1060)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fxz-moto-x-4-4-4-212-55-26-t2827307
Now it works flawlessly with my T-Mobile sim using the unlocked GSM function.
Previously with 4.4.2 it would say "unknown sim", have LTE, MMS, SMS and voice call switching issues. Even forcing HSPA was inconsistant. Now all's well with my experience.
good to know, just picked up a tmo sim yesterday, but have it in my att note 2 right now
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I'll have to try it with my T-Mobile SIM later
After further testing, I had to change preferred network type to LTE, GSM, UMTS. default settings were flaky after driving around town.
Rebooted a few times and airplane mode a few times. Still good for now. Settings stick unlike 4.4.2
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I'll test it the next time I'm in an LTE area. The nearest one is 35 miles away. I could do everything on HSPA, but I had issues in LTE areas on 4.4.2.
I wonder if that means the Maxx will work perfect on T-Mobile when it gets triple 4
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I wonder if that means the Maxx will work perfect on T-Mobile when it gets triple 4
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The maxx already has 4.4.4, had it before the X. According to several posts over there, LTE is still broken
The default APN on the XT1060 with 4.4.4 is now fast.t-mobile.com, so a manual entry is no longer needed. I still put one in though because I like to customize the APN type settings.
It now correctly falls to HSPA/GSM from LTE when calling out too, instead of locking you to CDMA voice. So, you can use the phone as a phone now, even when connected to LTE.
I'd consider this fixed now.
Did your set preferred network type to global or LTE,GSM,UMTS?
I originally had it at Global, but it started acting like 4.4.2 (problems switching between phone and data) after I started moving around town.
LTE, GSM, UMTS works good but takes a long time to find a signal if I come out of a no signal zone
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Did your set preferred network type to global or LTE,GSM,UMTS?
I originally had it at Global, but it started acting like 4.4.2 (problems switching between phone and data) after I started moving around town.
LTE, GSM, UMTS works good but takes a long time to find a signal if I come out of a no signal zone
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I did set it to LTE/GSM/UMTS, and I added my own APN even though the default (hidden) APN is correct.
Yeah, even on Verizon, the phone is slow to switch networks. If I get dropped from LTE, it'll stay on 3G or 1X even though LTE is available; sometimes I get no data on Verizon for a while. Seems the same with LTE and HSPA switching.
I should add that Global mode doesn't lock to EDGE now, but it is sketchy, as you say.
I've been having calling issues using 4.4.4 when connected to tmobile LTE on my xt1060 dev edition. If I force GPRS, calls work fine, if I switch to LTE/GSM/CDMA auto (prl) I connect to LTE, but then can't make or receive calls. I haven't been able to figure out how to force H+ which seems like it would fix the problem, any ideas?
Also OP mentioned a "unlocked GSM" function, could you elaborate? I search these forums all the time but have never posted anything until now.
might work on AT & T? It may be possible?
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Think it should work as it is supposed to be a GSM unlocked world phone.
For me 4.4.4 fixed some of the phone/data switching problems and issues with the gsm settings resetting after reboots.
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Well Verizon is currently doing testing because I made a complaint against them with the FCC.
I told the Verizon guy that I can connect to T-Mobile LTE on 4.4.4 (though I had issues with 4.4.2), but that I didn't test voice capability very thoroughly while connected to LTE (fallback to GSM may still be sketchy). So, he said he'd get back to me after they've done some testing on this particular issue. I did say that 4.4.4 fixed a lot of the issues I was having though, mainly getting connected to LTE, and having overall GSM/HSPA network issues when the phone was trying to connect to LTE.
Looks like my issue is that I'm not in the so called "refarmed" spectrum area for HSPA+, so I can either get LTE, or EDGE, nothing in between. I've tinkered with the build.prop to no avail. Guess I'll keep tinkering.
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Looks like my issue is that I'm not in the so called "refarmed" spectrum area for HSPA+, so I can either get LTE, or EDGE, nothing in between. I've tinkered with the build.prop to no avail. Guess I'll keep tinkering.
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That's interesting considering the same amplifier for band 4 AWS LTE is the one used for HSPA. Band 4 AWS LTE operates on 1700/2100 MHz, the same frequency as the non-refarmed T-Mobile areas.
I think I'm also in a non-refarmed area, but I do have access to HSPA. The download speeds are just highly limited (0.05Mbps), so there's likely some baseband setting preventing full speeds. The last time I had reliable HSPA+ in my area was on 4.2.2 where I could pull just over 1Mbps down. In better areas, I get 5-15Mbps on HSPA+. These are certainly 1900/2100MHz areas.
Jason.DROID said:
That's interesting considering the same amplifier for band 4 AWS LTE is the one used for HSPA. Band 4 AWS LTE operates on 1700/2100 MHz, the same frequency as the non-refarmed T-Mobile areas.
I think I'm also in a non-refarmed area, but I do have access to HSPA. The download speeds are just highly limited (0.05Mbps), so there's likely some baseband setting preventing full speeds. The last time I had reliable HSPA+ in my area was on 4.2.2 where I could pull just over 1Mbps down. In better areas, I get 5-15Mbps on HSPA+. These are certainly 1900/2100MHz areas.
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I'm confused. Are you using a Verizon device? The XT1060?
While perhaps the same amplifier is being used (I have no info to either confirm or disprove this statement), the XT1060 (according to all relevant FCC data) lacks the actual physical radio hardware to support UMTS on 1700mhz. Additionally, 0.05Mbps sounds MUCH more like EDGE data than HSPA/HSPA+ data.
I'm very curious now. Would you mind trying out this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roaderster.mrf&hl=en
And seeing which UMTS (WCDMA) band/frequency it says you are using when your phone supposedly says you are using HSPA on 1700mhz?
We already know for a fact that the XT1060 does indeed support UMTS band 2 (1900mhz). I also *thought* we knew for a fact that the XT1060 does NOT support band 4 (1700mhz). LTE, yes, but UMTS, no.
I'm anxious to see what this app has to say...
samwathegreat said:
I'm confused. Are you using a Verizon device? The XT1060?
While perhaps the same amplifier is being used (I have no info to either confirm or disprove this statement), the XT1060 (according to all relevant FCC data) lacks the actual physical radio hardware to support UMTS on 1700mhz. Additionally, 0.05Mbps sounds MUCH more like EDGE data than HSPA/HSPA+ data.
I'm very curious now. Would you mind trying out this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roaderster.mrf&hl=en
And seeing which UMTS (WCDMA) band/frequency it says you are using when your phone supposedly says you are using HSPA on 1700mhz?
We already know for a fact that the XT1060 does indeed support UMTS band 2 (1900mhz). I also *thought* we knew for a fact that the XT1060 does NOT support band 4 (1700mhz). LTE, yes, but UMTS, no.
I'm anxious to see what this app has to say...
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The Skyworks 77619-12 is a penta-band amplifier that provides bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 support for HSPA/LTE and is used in the XT1053 and XT1060, among others. See here: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=1024
I don't have root, so I used an older LTE phone without band 4 support, and put in a T-Mobile SIM. There was no signal at all, and T-Mobile says this will be so if a phone doesn't support 1700MHz even if it supports 2100MHz. So, I only deduced from that that I'm in a 1700/2100MHz area rather than a more typical 1900/2100MHz area. The limited down speeds are on HSPA+, but upload speeds are around 1Mbps.
Jason.DROID said:
The Skyworks 77619-12 is a penta-band amplifier that provides bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 support for HSPA/LTE and is used in the XT1053 and XT1060, among others. See here: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=1024
I don't have root, so I used an older LTE phone without band 4 support, and put in a T-Mobile SIM. There was no signal at all, and T-Mobile says this will be so if a phone doesn't support 1700MHz even if it supports 2100MHz.
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Thanks for the link. As you already know (no doubt), an amplifier can do nothing if the underlying radio doesn't support the band/mode (UMTS on band 4, in this case). Likely, they use that same amp in all the Moto X variants (except, of course the Sprint variant, which uses band 25 on TDD-LTE).
The fact that the phone won't work unless both 1700 and 2100 are supported by the radio itself makes perfect sense since they are using FDD-LTE (Frequency division - requires 2 seperate bands - one for uplink and downlink).
Did you try the app I suggested? The description doesn't say it requires root...
And finally - you never confirmed: are you using the XT1060, or the XT1053?
samwathegreat said:
Thanks for the link. As you already know (no doubt), an amplifier can do nothing if the underlying radio doesn't support the band/mode (UMTS on band 4, in this case). Likely, they use that same amp in all the Moto X variants.
The fact that the phone won't work unless both 1700 and 2100 are supported by the radio itself makes perfect sense since they are using FDD-LTE (Frequency division - requires 2 seperate bands - one for uplink and downlink).
Did you try the app I suggested? The description doesn't say it requires root...
And finally - you never confirmed: are you using the XT1060, or the XT1053?
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The app only lists possible bands and converts them to frequencies. It won't tell you what bands the phone is using.
On 4.2.2, my XT1060 reported using bands 1 and 4 for HSPA, which is 1700/2100MHz. I figured it was misreporting.
Hi,
So, I'm interested in getting a cheap 4.7" Android phone to use in the United States and sometimes in Canada. I zeroed in on the Galaxy A3 2017. The model that works best in North America is the A320Y, but so far I've only been able to find it online at some store in New Zealand. Since finding the answer to the question, Will shipping the device from NZ to the United States cost customs fees (and if so, how much)? is a question harder to answer than the question, Where is Jimmy Hoffa?, I've begun considering getting one of the models listed in the title of this thread.
But there's a problem. Those models in the title don't work on US LTE. Actually, according to frequencycheck.com, the A320FL has one LTE band (Cricket/AT&T) and the other models have none of the LTE frequency bands. I wonder if frequencycheck.com is accurate. I'm also wondering if there are other differences between those models. I'm also wondering what happens if I put a Cricket SIM inside these phones. Even though frequencycheck.com says I will get no LTE bands, will putting a Cricket SIM inside suddenly activate an LTE band?
The other question I was wondering: Do I even need LTE if I don't care much about download speed? Maybe HSPA+ or whatever it is will be good enough? If I don't have LTE, will I get less reception indoors or outdoors, or will I get the same exact reception/coverage but just be relegated to 3G/4G/HSPA+ service? What is the benefit of LTE besides data speed?
Finally, which one of these models has the most ROM support? Can they all be bootloader unlocked?
I know I'm asking a whole bunch of questions at the same time. Sorry. I appreciate any help I can get with this!
To answer some:
That website appears to be accurate. Doesn't only list AT&T for a320fl once expanded.
As for SIMs activating bands, I haven't seen it on Samsung, only RRC Release, VoLTE, LTE CAT, maybe individual CA combos. The disabled bands are shown as CAL_DEFAULT vs CAL_PASS. Guess it's like Snapdragon.
HSPA+ vs LTE
The range of 3G/4G is close with the same frequency, but 4G performs better at cell edge (low signal).
Speed (anyway)
Well, 3G is usually given its own spectrum at first, then the 2G is refarmed into 3G. Today, 3G gets refarmed to 4G. This leaves 3G with a small amount of spectrum, it becomes prone to interference. It's bit like multiple tv/fm stations on the same channel number. Other 'tv/fm stations' have to be filtered out by the phone, this lowers the speed. 4G gets some too, along with echoed complex signals, but it gets less.
3G supports up to 5MHz per carrier, 4G up to 20MHz. 3G can have carrier aggregation, so 5+5+maybe 5. Expect up to 2 carriers (not every combo) on 4G, unless a specific SIM is detected in specific phone models. Along with that, 4G can have better spectral efficiency.
If you are going with 3G(HSPA, sometimes called '4G') anyway, you should know that there are these states (usually called fast dormancy) to save power.
DCH = Full speed.
FACH = Up to 32kbps. 4kB/s. Maybe RRC Release downgrade is visible (H+ to H).
PCH = No data.
Anything below is further away from data.
For high performance, keep the speed above 4kB/s, at the cost of battery. LTE has a faster start.
Sometimes, the speed is simply constrained by backhaul, the internet access that goes to the tower.
Thanks. So, to your knowledge, the F and F DS variants shouldn't work on LTE in the United States? I was in a live chat session with someone on Samsung's UK website and she said that the F variant would work on LTE in the United States. I then sent them an email to confirm and they replied with:
As per our resources from our technical review, the following Network is available in our Samsung Galaxy A3 (2017) for the US.
Network
Band: Quad
GSM 850: YES
GSM 900: YES
GSM 1800: YES
GSM 1900: YES
UMTS 2100: YES
GPRS: YES
4G: YES
HSDPA: YES
Works in the US: YES
I replied to ask them why frequencycheck.com lists no LTE frequencies in common for the F variant on AT&T. I'm so confused.
sm-a320f / sm-a320f/ds
According to every other (not alternating) source the LTE band 2 and band 5 is supported in the US (and the entire spectrum of these bands). So, it supports some bands. Check if the signal of those bands (for your mobile network operator) are available in your location. Ask again, specifically for band 2 LTE(4G).