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Ok, so there was a huge thread going on about the differences and about the samoled+ being over-saturated and such: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016334&highlight=pentile&page=4
It has been closed down, for a reason. Egos where burning up, and with every argument more friendliness disappeared.
I think it all started with a picture of parrots, where you couldn't see the black on the feathers good enough or something. (damn its starting to sound really silly atm)
ANYWAY, I wanted to clear up the parrot issue, samsung uses something called DNIe+ to improve the rendering an imaging of pictures and video's. Since the shown pictures are quite old, it was using the demo version of the s2, which had (pretty much untested) DNIe+.
Try the picture on your own phone and you will see what I mean. Samsung did a good job fixing the (oversaturation blah blah blah) colouring. We can all be happy now with a nice vibrant screen. And if you cant handle it, get the I9003 which uses some cheaper tech
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Heres a link explaining what it does for samsung tv's which is in fact quite similar..
http://www.techtipspro.com/2009/08/what-is-dnie-pro-in-samsung-tv.html
The problem with doing comparative studies of displays with camera is the fact that most people do full brightness tests.
SAMOLED and SAMOLED Plus both tend to have much higher brightness and contrast ratio than LCDs.
If you are using auto settings to shoot, your camera will adjust aperture and shutter which wont be suitable for either LCD(be it retina, SLCD SCLCD) or SAMOLED display. It will either make AMOLED looks too bright and washed out or it will make LCD too dark.
The best way to do this is to use your eyes to determine the appropriate brightness level on all 3 displays so that you are getting best possible result from them and shoot at ISO100 and smallest possible aperture setting that your camera can do manually and preferably 1/30 shutter and then compare pics. It will be highly subjective test, but it will be fair one.
SAMOLED and SAMOLED + both tend to look way over saturated indoors even to naked eye if kept at full brightness.
Any test using a camera should be done with a DSLR using manual (and constant settings), but even then it's hard to say if the problems you see come from the screen, the camera, or the screen on which you're looking at the pictures. So yeah, the only way to make your opinion is by comparing the screens side by side by yourself.
Also, it's often a matter of personal tastes : For example I want my TV and PC monitor to have very accurate colors, but I really don't mind if my phone has over saturated colors since I rarely use it to look at pictures or movies, and even when I do it's not in optimal conditions so I don't care, and I prefer to have vivid colors in the UIs.
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SAMOLED and SAMOLED Plus both tend to have much higher brightness and contrast ratio than LCDs.
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I disagree : They have a much better contrast ratio (virtually infinite) because the blacks are truly black. But the brightness is on par with most LCDs and lower than the best LCD screens. You can see the figures in this article by anandtech : Super AMOLED screens are around 350-400 nits whereas iPhone 4 is at 571, chich is why it's better in the sunlight.
I still think I prefer Spuer AMOLED + though because I mainly use my phone indoors and it's amazing to have true blacks.
So which technology is the winner?
P/S: I heart that Samsung will make a super amoled plus screen with high resolution as something called "retina" by apple.
It will be included in Samsung galaxy S3. Can anyone confirm such rumours for me?
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So which technology is the winner?
P/S: I heart that Samsung will make a super amoled plus screen with high resolution as something called "retina" by apple.
It will be included in Samsung galaxy S3. Can anyone confirm such rumours for me?
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Have a read.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus-resolution-further-details
I can more-or-less confirm this. I mean, just read. The technology is there, it just needs a new production line and product line "components".
Samsung also have the advantage here, because they have the biggest AMOLED production facilities and so they can produce these AMOLED screens, whereas it is too expensive for other companies to do the same.
The link says they don't know when they're going to be using it. WRONG! If you follow some links to more recent articles, on the similar topic, it says they plan to have these being produced by the end of the year - so there's a high chance, that this time next year, we're gonna see a 300PPI+ Super AMOLED screens.......................................................................or flexible ones. :S
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The problem with doing comparative studies of displays with camera is the fact that most people do full brightness tests.
SAMOLED and SAMOLED Plus both tend to have much higher brightness and contrast ratio than LCDs.
If you are using auto settings to shoot, your camera will adjust aperture and shutter which wont be suitable for either LCD(be it retina, SLCD SCLCD) or SAMOLED display. It will either make AMOLED looks too bright and washed out or it will make LCD too dark.
The best way to do this is to use your eyes to determine the appropriate brightness level on all 3 displays so that you are getting best possible result from them and shoot at ISO100 and smallest possible aperture setting that your camera can do manually and preferably 1/30 shutter and then compare pics. It will be highly subjective test, but it will be fair one.
SAMOLED and SAMOLED + both tend to look way over saturated indoors even to naked eye if kept at full brightness.
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The best way is to actually run measurements of contrast, gamma and color saturation. I have run measurements on the SGSII display:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124669
If there is someone in Frankfurt who has an iPhone 4 or a phone with SLCD, I am happy to measure them too (takes less than 1 hour per phone).
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Can't really compare them all as long as Sammy makes/or at least made money on those 3 screen techs, with the Super Amoled plus on the S2, Super clear lcd in gt-i9003 and the display in apple products (esp. the iphone, the oh so called "retina display") being supplied by Sammy (or companies which Sammy have investments).
Coming from a Galaxy Nexus, my main concern is - How are the black levels gonna be? I absolutely LOVE SuperAMOLED - Mainly, the blacks - I LOVE THEM and I'm sure many other users do. I don't know if the LG's black levels are gonna be as good or better? Does anything know that?
I have a choice to jump from the Gnex to the Nex4 but if the screen's black levels aren't as good - I probably won't.
What's your opinion about the screen?
Go look at a One X, it'll be similar to that (which is SO much better than the GNex screen - IPS ftw!!)
Yeah but the black levels
It definitely won't be as good. The question is, will it be good enough.
The apparent high end screen on my laptop has a rubbish black level. So I'm also hoping the Nexus 10 has good blacks, so I can use that for media instead.
But did you look at the Htc One X screen, or atleast youtube it?
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Yeah I've used the One X a lot of times and I'm not impressed at all. The color reproduction is good but the black levels don't amaze me, at all. I feel that my nexus' screen is much better than the OneX (Just my opinion, don't pounce on me)
With AMOLED, the blacks are black because the led's are switched off, it doesn't try make the colour "Black".
LCD screens do not do this. So blacks will be grey, but colours and viewing angles WILL be better. Another thing, AMOLED is a battery drain with anything other than the colour black.
OLED screens will always have darker blacks than LCDs. That's just due to the nature of how each type of screen technology works.
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
arzbhatia said:
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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But your question meant that you don't. If you know this, then you should know about LCD too...
arzbhatia said:
I very much know how AMOLED works. Guess the blacks won't be that good on the Nex4. :| Hard decision to make now :\
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They will probably be as good as any IPS LCD on the market. LG makes very good smartphone displays, including iPhone 4/4S/5 displays.
Just look at the present ips screen on the LG top model phones, i'm sure the nexus 4 will be similar.
The blacks will not be the same as others mentioned but it's a tradeoff. Super amoleds have good contrast and blacks but the ips lcd's I've seen had better color accuracy and sharper images. I like amoleds but the whites and other colors aren't that good and the brightness isn't high enough for my taste. I look forward to seeing the n4 up close
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I have mixed feelings as well regarding the screen of the new Nexus 4. I also own a Galaxy Nexus, and aside from the black levels, there is another area where the AMOLED screens shine: motion handling. LCDs tend to blur images in fast motion, motion resolution isn't usually very good. This is very noticeable when watching action films or sports, for example.
However, AMOLED screens are very fast thus their motion handling is on par (or even better than) with plasmas, which gives you crisp and clear images even when moving (blur ocurring depending on the shooting conditions but that's a whole different story).
So, to summarize the differences between the screens:
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will be slightly clearer, the pentile matrix used in the AMOLED screen makes it slightly more "blurry", although due to its high pixel density that's usually hard to see.
- The screen of the Galaxy Nexus has perfect blacks, the screen of the Nexus 4 doesn't. The point is, will its blacks be "black enough" even for multimedia? "Black enough" is very subjective...
- The screen of the Nexus 4 will probably handle motion worse than the Galaxy Nexus one. The point again will be if it handles motion well enough.
It seems that the screen of the Nexus 4 is slightly better for reading and web browsing but slightly worse for multimedia. I only have a Galaxy Nexus (no access to HTC One X, etc) so anyway I can't really compare.
Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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eksasol said:
Well it all depend on taste. I think the IPS screen for me will be better for contents consumption. Text clarity is a very important factor for phones and RGB array IPS excel here. Better color accuracy is the most important factor for me, without the banding, retention and dark spots that I deal with on AMOLED. I only fear of the chance of backlight leakage that can happen with regular LCD.
I know the response time of the OLED screen have very fast, but I don't do heavy gaming on small mobile devices. It also have ultra wide angle view and wider color gamut (poorly tuned however). I also like its performance outdoor and contrast. But it can be s battery eater.
Also I missed the curved glass of the AMOLED screen, before anyone say the Nexus 4 screen is curved, by what I see from the verge video it isn't, only the external glass seems to be and just a little by the edge, not the same effect.
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The Nexus 4 will have better viewing angles than the AMOLED.
Sunlight will probably be better too. Colours will be more realistic, and battery life will be lower apart from on a black screen.
I don't like the oversaturated colors of amoled screens, and true colors are important in my work, so I much prefer a good IPS screen. Too bad about the blacks though.
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I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.
I would have to say my biggest concern is how the screen will perform in the direct sunlight. Of the phones I've had the gnex does best in direct sunlight. Very easily readable and use able in direct sunlight. All my other phones have been washed out in the sun. They where some form of lcd's, but not any of the newer generation super performing lcd's that are out now. The HTC Rezound I had was the best LCD screen I've owned. Amazing picture but suffered in the sun.
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I hope the Nexus 4 display will be better. On my Gnex whenever I watch videos with dark scenes or blackground, I get this noise/artifact thing in the background. Do you guys get that? Also, black is technically not completely black on the Gnex because the pixels do light up a little for faster switching. There are a few threads in the Gnex forum that talk about that. It is only noticeable when there is very little or no ambient light. You can test it by going to a dark room and open an image that is completely black. You will see some dim light coming out from the AMOLED.
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I think that's either black crush like the original note had or the black spots which nearly all amoled screens get because of the way they are produced.
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Hi, I was just at the store today and felt that I wanted to compare my screen to the s4 a bit after arguing with my friend about amoled screens, it showed that I was right. I have always been complaining about their bad white balance and inaccurate colors(even without display settings!),
but still xperia Z don't have the best viewing angels but that doesn't matter to me at all, even looking at angels on the amoled it gets reflective and miserable...
Same picture downloaded at both devices (white picture)
Both screens at 100% light
Now judge yourself, no editing done and picture taken with my friends HTC sensation xl
I must say s4 has also very low screenlighting and won't stand a chance this summer in a sunny day
Is the xperia Z a clear winner?
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Indeed it is!
Both phones was less yellow but the camera of my friends HTC is oversaturating yellow a bit, but the difference was exactly the same as in the picture
Their true colors are shown in the right middle of the s4 and the left middle of the xz as the autofocus was there
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No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though
kalo88 said:
No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though
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Lol, true blacks, 90% while browsing on the Internet, play store is white and most apps up to 70%, now they have nothing to say about colors I guess
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kalo88 said:
No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though
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Yeah.. but the deep blacks aren't helping the S4 either! All S4 models (exynos5 or snapdragon version) received by users so far seem to be plagued by yet another AMOLED screen issue, purple/pink smearing is what they're calling it. There is sort of pink/purple smudging if a white/grey image is moved/scrolled over a black background like when scrolling in the settings menu, browsing web with dark bg etc.
Edit: About the whites, of course the XZ screen is better calibrated.
The joys of being an early adopter eh!
roobeyn said:
Lol, true blacks, 90% while browsing on the Internet, play store is white and most apps up to 70%, now they have nothing to say about colors I guess
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Most of my apps, playstore, facebook, whatsapp, dialer, message, contacts and a few more are all black in color. Those apps looks better in black.
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Actually it was worse than I though it would be, I expected s4 to be better than s3 and it was even worse?
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Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
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S4 screen brightness cannot be on par with LCD's brightness. Even so, your photo makes it look really dark in both phones.
btw, S4 screen's white is much better than S3, I would say the color balance is nearly the same as IPS LCD, very vibrant and punch colors. However, it seems your unit also suffers the red/pink tint in the white.
OK I have to agree that:
1. The Z's white is essentially white whereas the S4...I don't know what to make of it.
2. The Z's LCD is brighter though I have not yet had the chance to properly check the S4 with the backlight on. I will check and update.
So, I was lucky enough to my hands on the S4 LTE version yesterday (my wife was due for an $0 upgrade and she didn't want it as she loves her Note 2, so I jumped at the chance and now I will be comparing both the Z and S4 for a week or 2 before deciding on which one to keep. I'll be posting a separate thread on my findings.
press_enter said:
Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
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Yes brightness at 100% on both
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press_enter said:
Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
S.
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(assuming that you aren't being sarcastic/facetious)
In an OLED display the individual pixels themselves glow, unlike an LCD display
where the pixels are colour filters with a fixed backlight common to
all pixels shining through to make them light up.
There is as much need/use for a back-light in an OLED display as there is
for a back-light on a light globe/bulb.
So looking on this pictures it seems Galaxy S one has better screen then both appart from low pixely density(grainy picture).
I'm satisfied with screen on Xperia Z but when I look at Galaxy S its hard to go back on X Z screen. It may be oversaturated but if anyone has similiar device to compare screens side by side you will be amazed how this older phone still has excellent screen compared to most new phones (htc one x, htc one, s4, iphone 5,etc).
I compared both, and I think the camera cannot capture it truely, and it's not fair to compared in this way
One thing is with automatic brightness, S4 is much birghter (475 nits compared to a little more than 300 nits of maximum mannual brightness)
The Galaxy S4 uses one innovative approach to overcome this – when Automatic Brightness is turned on, the Peak Brightness becomes significantly brighter in high ambient lighting than is possible with Manual Brightness, up to as high as 475 cd/m2, which is 34 percent higher than is possible with Manual Brightness. This is done so that users can’t permanently set the brightness to very high values, which would run down the battery quickly.
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http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
Very reasonable that nobody needs more than 300 nits to read indoor. (actually 200 nits is even more than enough)
It's the same on Note 2, and there is an app name "A Brighter Note" (rooted) that allows maximum manual brightness matches maximum auto brightness.
hung2900 said:
I compared both, and I think the camera cannot capture it truely, and it's not fair to compared in this way
One thing is with automatic brightness, S4 is much birghter (475 nits compared to a little more than 300 nits of maximum mannual brightness)
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
Very reasonable that nobody needs more than 300 nits to read indoor. (actually 200 nits is even more than enough)
It's the same on Note 2, and there is an app name "A Brighter Note" (rooted) that allows maximum manual brightness matches maximum auto brightness.
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The OLED theology has not yet surpassed LCD,
and as in your article wrote
"OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays."
It isn't as bright either
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The OLED theology has not yet surpassed LCD,
and as in your article wrote
"OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays."
It isn't as bright either
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Brightest LCD display on mobile is Nokia 701 (more than 1000 nits), not Xperia Z
And I think you still don't get my point. The pic you showed innitially is the comparison of XZ to 300 nits brightness of S4 which is not the maximum capacity the device can get (475 nits), that's why it looked pretty dim
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Brightest LCD display on mobile is Nokia 701 (more than 1000 nits), not Xperia Z
And I think you still don't get my point. The pic you showed innitially is the comparison of XZ to 300 nits brightness of S4 which is not the maximum capacity the device can get (475 nits), that's why it looked pretty dim
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But the brightness difference between s4 and xz was far beyond 34%, even though it would get the chance to go to it's maximum it wouldn't be higher than xz, if I put my brightness to about 40% they will be at the same level,
Then xz has 60% left to show
and s4 34%
And what I also don't like is the pink color which is supposed to be white
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But the brightness difference between s4 and xz was far beyond 34%, even though it would get the chance to go to it's maximum it wouldn't be higher than xz, if I put my brightness to about 40% they will be at the same level,
Then xz has 60% left to show
and s4 34%
And what I also don't like is the pink color which is supposed to be white
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Yes, I know that it will not exceed the brightness on XZ, but you still don't get my point.
I mean the the gap of screen brightness is not as big as your first picture if the S4 showed the highest brightness it can get (which can achieve right after being rooted).
And 300 nits is enough for indoor reading in any case. The use of the more birghtness is for reading outdoor only (or maybe for somebody wanna show off how bright the device is), but brightness is not everything for outdoor visibility. Contrast and reflectiveness is also important.
This one showed that S4 is quite close to HTC One in visibility
I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?
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I was playing around with the GS4 yesterday and the screen probably impressed me the most. I held it next to the GS3 and it was quite a bit better: sharper and brighter.
I haven't had the opportunity to look at the One yet, but I have to think the GS4 is a strong contender for the best phone screen. Of course it depends on your preference for AMOLED versus LCD; I probably prefer the former.
So to those who have been using the phone: how would you rate the screen? Do you consider it a big jump over the GS3 and how would you compare it to other phone screens, especially the One?
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WAY better than GS3 but trades shots with the One.
I prefer a larger screen with true blacks so I prefer the GS4's screen. If you prefer a smaller screen and colour accuracy then the One's screen would be better.
"The best" is highly subjective. For instance, if you prefer outdoor visibility, it's still nowhere near iPhone or the One. That said, I prefer (properly calibrated) AMOLEDs for the contrast ratios and superior blacks despite all the drawbacks
Personal preference, really.
I have a One, and I have had a look at the S4 display. I have to say both displays look great.
You like Amoled then this is the best, if you like LCD real colors then One is the best. Personally prefer the One display.
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It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
- Sorry for bad English
While I love the screen on my GS4, I must humbly admit the SLCD3 screen in the HTC One is superior. While the blacks aren't completely black because it can't shut off pixels like AMOLED does, it's blacks are however very very impressive, color accuracy and sharpness are also more superior on the HTC One as well (the S4's Adobe RGB mode, aka (Professional photo) looks off a bit, especially on reds, so don't be fooled into thinking this option will make up for the inferior color accuracy). The only downside to the HTC One's screen, is it's only 4.7" which is a knock in my opinion as I prefer a larger screen.
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It really depends on your preference. I have owned all the Galaxys, and some sony/HTC`s and i will say it is not.
There is no doubt the S4 screen is amazing, but only when it comes to colours. After using the S4 for a period of time, my eyes is starting to get tired. And thats because of the deep, saturated colours.
In the end it comes up to your personal preference. For me the Xperia Z/One is the best one. Nothing beats watching a movie on an LCD-panel.
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So use Adobe RGB mode...
No it has really bad ghosting.
One of the best. I've recently switched to "movie mode" as various professional display reviewers have noted this mode as having the most accurate colors and I've been loving it. Feels more like an LCD which I used to prefer. I was also surprised at the amount of additional detail I'm seeing in movie mode that were not present in standard (for instance, the tapatalk app icon)
You will need a day to adjust from standard mode, but once you do I'm betting the standard will be hard to look at for you.
The resolution and PPI speak for themselves, obviously.
Edit: great info here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
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Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.
The s4 screen has a wow factor since the colors pop and the blacks are inky. The One's screen is great too much IMHO, the I prefer the S4 since it is bigger and more vibrant. The One's screen is like looking at the Iphone's screen but bigger since even on the Iphone you can't see pixels so it didn't wow me as much.
Guys i just compared my s3 to also mine s4 and must say the s3 display is sharper and I see more details on it. I just run few same clips on both. Can someone confirm it.
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Samsung displays are horrible when it's outside in bright sunlight.
If you want vibrant colours they are the best. If you want realistic I'd say the One and iPhone 5 are the best. The movie mode is very good on the S4 but it's not as well calibrated as the iPhone 5s screen. Looking in the forum the S4 has ghosting/smearing and some weird pink tint issues. AMOLED screens also are poor in daylight and can get burn in.
Now that it has an option to show accurate colors. Displaymate rate it on par with iPhone 5 which is rated as the best LCD screen they tested in a mobile phone. For me SGS4 is the best out there simply because it offers best of both worlds. There is a mode to show vibrant colors which I personally like especially when watching movies. LCD will pale in comparison next to AMOLED which can show pitch black . It is still Pentile arrangement however I tried hard looking closely as I can and men I can't see any pixels or cross hatch pattern that I can detect on SGS3. I even think that it's icons are much sharper compared to iPhone 5. Now that the Pentile weakness has been totally eliminated by ridiculous 441 pixels per inch. Is there another phone out there that can beat this in terms of display?
From Displayemate which is world renowned for display diagnostics
Comparing the Galaxy S4 with the LCD Display on the iPhone 5:
The iPhone 5 is now more than half way through its product cycle, which is important to keep in mind for our comparison. However, high-end LCDs like the iPhone 5 are a very mature and refined display technology, so other than screen size, resolution, and the Pixels Per Inch not much is likely to change in the next generation, no matter what Apple decides to do. The iPhone 5 is significantly brighter than the Galaxy S4, particularly for screens with mostly peak white backgrounds. Its color calibration is a bit better, although the Galaxy S4 has a more accurate White. The Galaxy S4 has a much bigger screen, higher resolution, higher PPI, much darker blacks, and better screen uniformity than the iPhone 5. They each have their own particular strengths and weaknesses, but if you scan our color coordinated Comparison Table below, both displays are quite good and comparable overall – so it’s currently a tie – we’ll see how they both evolve and improve in the next generation…
http://www.displaymate.com/
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm#Table
@rbiter said:
Note 2 screen looks great. No pen tile.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.
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With the current pentile matrix they are using and as high density as the 1080P display is, it doesn't affect the quality of the display.
Pentile really is no longer a useable arguement.
Seriously guys, calibration is not an issue. As long as you can get rid of that blue tint, I'm sure you'll get Perseus kernel with top calibration. I do on my Note II and it's absolutely perfect, if not better. Properly calibrated, AMOLEDs have an advantage when it comes to the contrast ratios.
Brightness still sucks though.
I've alway thought Samsung screens always looked too blueish and not so true to life. HTC always seems to get it right when it comes to screens. Just my opinion.
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The ones slcd is superior to the sgs4... Yes the colors are more vibrant and black is real black... But there are too much downsides in my opinion:
- White just doenst look white - ok and full brightness, but not below that
- Loss of detail in dark areas
- Low brightness on automode (even on +5)
- Low brightness on maximum brightness (the ones slcd is superior in sunlight)
- Burn-In
- Pentile - still visible for me
- Smearing / ghosting
- power consumption on browsing
- red black (fixed?!)
Granted, they still can't reach the same level of good looking brightness (even if they are "accurate") as top-end LCDs like the iPhone panel, they're getting closer with each generation. It sucks the whites only look best in high dynamic contrast environments with sunlight. AMOLED screen efficiency might take a couple of more years before it can hit 500 knits of brightness on pure white content (or above 70% APL) on maximum manual brightness and not autoboosting
I agree, side by side with my S6 the Note 5 is much cleaner/brighter/sharper.
I have an i6 for work and a Note 5 personally. I much prefer the Note 5 screen in all environments.
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I used iP6, G3 and now the Note 5. For now Note 5 has the best display ever. Colors are popping out of the screen and the blacks are, oh man.. There is nice amount of sharpening too, not too much like the G3.
But the whites.... They are a litte bit weird man. If you directly looking at the screen, the whites are white. If you looking at the screen with different angles, they start to turn a bit yellowish or bluish white depending on your viewing angle.
But not that much of problem, i dont even bother or care it. I'm loving the screen
Deagles said:
But the whites.... They are a litte bit weird man. If you directly looking at the screen, the whites are white. If you looking at the screen with different angles, they start to turn a bit yellowish or bluish white depending on your viewing angle.
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Thats the biggest trade-off with AMOLED's. But, it's more than worth it for everything else we get though compared to LCD
AMOLED screen does not need as high a brightness as LCD screens due to its high (infinite) contrast ratio. Example: people were surprised to learn that the Nexus 6's max brightness is around 250 nits because they were accustomed to brightness readings of LCDs. This is another area where reviewers created reality distortion field in favor of Apple products, and seeing everything else through from that distorted viewpoints.
Do note that I do not dispute that the higher the brightness, the better screen is. I am saying that at the same brightness, AMOLED screen will always be more legible and pleasant to the eyes in changing environments. Comparing the two technologies in the absolute and judging one to be superior is not a smart move.
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AMOLED screen does not need as high a brightness as LCD screens due to its high (infinite) contrast ratio. Example: people were surprised to learn that the Nexus 6's max brightness is around 250 nits because they were accustomed to brightness readings of LCDs. This is another area where reviewers created reality distortion field in favor of Apple products, and seeing everything else through from that distorted viewpoints.
Do note that I do not dispute that the higher the brightness, the better screen is. I am saying that at the same brightness, AMOLED screen will always be more legible and pleasant to the eyes in changing environments. Comparing the two technologies in the absolute and judging one to be superior is not a smart move.
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Lol nexus 6 screen was garbage. Some leftover from below par quality amoleds that samsung doesn't use on its phones.
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ambervals6 said:
Lol nexus 6 screen was garbage. Some leftover from below par quality amoleds that samsung doesn't use on its phones.
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Ya, I played around with a Nexus 6 at an AT&T store and held it next to my Note 5 with both at max brightness and my god the Nexus 6 had a ridiculously yellow tint and had the most severe burn ins compared to all the other amoled devices on display in the store. And the difference in max brightness was so significant it looked like the Nexus 6 was at min brightness next to my Note 5 when both were maxed out.