Guys this forum is a disaster, that single topic with like 2000 posts in it is ridiculous.
There needs to be more organization and breaking out of things into easier to digest and read.
Someone needs to LOCK that existing thread and force people to start new ones.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
Nope, I totally agree with you. It's really hard to find any info if it's not being discussed right now.
Welcome, newbie!
There's a good historical reason for that thread. It grew to well beyond 1000 pages before there even was an Android Auto forum, when it was the only place in common for discussing that type of unit.
Feel free to contribute to the wiki, and point people with common questions in that direction.
(And no, it doesn't need to be locked. Learn to use search)
I agree on the historical reason for it, but right now we have a whole section dedicated to Android Head Units. Maybe the thread doesn't need to be locked, but people do need to start creating different threads for issues and wuations and whatnot. It's really hard most of the time to find a solution to something on such a long thread (even using search).
I agree that one thread has all the solution but it scattered all over the place.
Having one thread for each product does not work well since your question can easily get buried by a few responses to some other question. The thread should be locked and a sticky created that links to specific posts/wiki entries or new threads.
No, that thread covers all the Hui-Fei type units, which share the same firmware images. The differences are minor. If you're looking for something, check the wiki first (the very first link in that thread!). If you don't find it there spend some time searching the thread and when you do find it, add it to the wiki.
The problem is not the thread, it's with people too lazy to take the time to search ("oh, instead of taking 5 or 10 minutes to search, it will only take me 1 minute to ask a question which has been asked 100 times before and get other people to do the work for me"). If all the posts which didn't trim what they were quoting, and all the posts asking things which had already been answered were removed, that thread would only be 1/4 the size. The thread isn't the problem, lazy people are.
I don't think the forum is a mess but I do think that some of the more popular head units do warrant their own sub forums.
I've just ordered a carpad for example and have had a fair go at reading most of that thread but it's not easy.
There are certain topics within that thread that would be easier to follow and encourage better collaboration if they were separate threads within a sub forum.
The search is all well and good but it's not great if you don't know what you don't know!
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I'm curious as to who the moderators are in this forum. Does anyone know?
There have been a number of excellent discussions that probably should have been stickified, but I don't have a clue as to who the moderators would be for me to ask/request a sticky. Without a sticky, these posts fall off the front page quickly and result in redundant posts in most current threads.
Some that come to mind are the "How to setup Android on my phone" threads as this question is asked many times, and replied to almost as many times.
Other great threads I'd have asked for are the "tutorial" threads on Android porting, the theming tools...etc.
When I go to most other forums on XDA, they've got the exact opposite problem. On some there are almost 1/2 a page of stickies before you get to fresh posts.
Just curious.
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The vogue gets no love besides android. I think we pretty much took over this part of the vogue forums. We asked for a subsection for android a while ago with no luck. Now that we have a flashable rom I think it would be very nice thing to have.
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I'm curious as to who the moderators are in this forum. Does anyone know?
There have been a number of excellent discussions that probably should have been stickified, but I don't have a clue as to who the moderators would be for me to ask/request a sticky. Without a sticky, these posts fall off the front page quickly and result in redundant posts in most current threads.
Some that come to mind are the "How to setup Android on my phone" threads as this question is asked many times, and replied to almost as many times.
Other great threads I'd have asked for are the "tutorial" threads on Android porting, the theming tools...etc.
When I go to most other forums on XDA, they've got the exact opposite problem. On some there are almost 1/2 a page of stickies before you get to fresh posts.
Just curious.
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Little Known secret, but public domain information.
Which Moderators are on Which Forums.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Forum_Mods
Personally i'm a fan of 5 stickies max, but sometimes there really are a few extra threads that need the extra attention.
For Voque i'd suggest getting in touch with TsOwen. Maybe start a temporary group where you can privatly discuss ideas.
So he can re read ideas and comments to help him decide what might be best. And if he has choices to make that are hard to decide on, there's a whole army of mods, to help choose the best decisions if he needs. But i'm sure he can handle removing and adding a few Stickies for Voque forums.
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Little Known secret, but public domain information.
Which Moderators are on Which Forums.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Forum_Mods
Personally i'm a fan of 5 stickies max, but sometimes there really are a few extra threads that need the extra attention.
For Voque i'd suggest getting in touch with TsOwen. Maybe start a temporary group where you can privatly discuss ideas.
So he can re read ideas and comments to help him decide what might be best. And if he has choices to make that are hard to decide on, there's a whole army of mods, to help choose the best decisions if he needs. But i'm sure he can handle removing and adding a few Stickies for Voque forums.
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what we really need is a subsection for android!!!
ive put requests in the sticky request thread here but all have been ignored it would really be appreciated by a lot of people in this forum.
I don't think this is fair. I can understand creating your own posts on those forums, but why prevent people who can add insight to problems or have a solution no be able to post a reply to any dev post? I'm sorry, I think is not fair.
so instead of writing 10 meaningful posts you decide to ***** instead? its fair! you know why its fair? because people come on this forum and dont know how to use the search button and then they post irrelevant stuff in places that it doesnt belong to--like the dev setion. say this person wants to root their device. a typical nooob will just scan the first page of the forum and if they dont see what they want there, guess what they'll do? they will post a question. if there were no limit then 90% of those posts would end up in the dev section. obviously 10 posts is not enough. i mean just look in the section for urself. Majority of the irrelevant posts have ben cleaned up but still! idk how many times i have seen "how do i root?" in that section. I am not saying every new poster is like this, but majority of them are. look how bad it is now with a minimum, imagine if there weren't a minimum! 10 posts is fair. it should be 20!
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For me its a Catch 22. I've had plenty of times where I might have something meaningful to say in a dev thread, but then I hit this and go try and find threads in the regular forum that I can add to. Usually I don't find any that I can actually add anything new and give up after 5 minutes, as I have real work to do.
Oh well...
so.... can we post 10x here instead?
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so.... can we post 10x here instead?
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Good question
I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I agree with 25 to start a new thread in the DEV sections.
Also shouldn't be any limitation to reply as that's just silly.
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I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I like this idea too! Yes replying is ok but making a post is a different story.
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lots of stuff in the dev posts require reading and comprehending, if you cant do a simple thing like that you probably shouldnt be trying to root your device or chilling in the dev section.....i mean jeez people post guides in the dev section for a reason....
i kinda understand the 10 post thing, but to me too, it's rather troubling, as they might be something that i wanna ask on the dev forum too at times, but notice i cant cos of my post counts
I don't like it either but it's the rules.
As a N00b - I understand
I'm really new to XDA and I've run into this to...
On the up side the 10 post rule has saved me from getting flamed for saying something stupid.
As a noob I have been lurking and reading posts for months learning to root and flash my HD2 and transformer. It takes ages to get your head around all the terminology and start to have constructive things to add!
I will bide my time until i have the skills to contribute to the community in a meaningful way - til then the best i can do is click the donate button for the Devs.
Any suggestions on good threads to use to level up my droid skills always appreciated!
FYI-the 10 post min was implemented for spammers.
Unfortunately, there are cases where it's a hassle for users with knowledge
FYI AGAIN- You do realize you posted in the wrong forum
This should be in XDA-General or pff-topic
I totally understand and agree with the 10 post requirement.
Too many times I've seen replies like this...
"Sorry if this has been answered before but I haven't read all 50 pages" and then they ask something that of course has been answered a hundred times.
There are also a lot of times that I wanted to help someone in the dev forum but I didn't have 10 posts, but that's ok, because chances are someone else can help soon because threads are usually very active, which is why a noob doesn't want to read it in the first place.
Anyone who wants to help out on the forum can easily find a way to get 10 posts without spamming and actually join the community.
In my opinion, the 10 posts does a lot to help keep the boards clean, as least, cleaner than it would be without it.
People who aren't willing to read and find 10 threads to reply to, and attempt to be part of the community, may not even stick around past asking their question that has been answered before.
Because the majority of the time the same question has been asked over and over again and new forum members are often too stupid to use the search function.
Could you imagine the FLOOD of posts that would be added without the 10 post rule? It's hard enough to find anything *DEVELOPMENT* related in the development forums even with the 10 post rule. Already 85% is about HOWTO not about bugs, development, etc...
Not complaining, hey were all human (not quite androids yet), just saying that I wouldn't want to have to wade through an additional 40 posts a day from people who haven't bothered reading at all...
I'm sorry ,but it seems many of you read the question that I wrote and assumed something completely different.
1) I asked why can't I reply to a post on the Dev forums. You did not hear me state why can't I create a post in the Dev forums. Those are completely different statements and they are not one and the same.
2) As to the fact that a lot of newbs ask the same question a zillion other newbs have asked in these forums. The fact is if you don't know how to read the rules in the first sticky post on any forum then yes you are stupid for not seen the search tools above the page. Furthermore is for this exact reason why I asked the question. Why do I want to spam these forums with useless posts about things I can get from other posts or just Google it? Like many Devs state while rooting your device, you need a couple of things, patience and a little gray matter. So sure I'll go ahead and be the stupid newb that creates idiotic posts just so that he can reach the 10 mark and then post or comment on something useful for a change.
3) Rules are rules and sometimes when people ask if they could be bent they can't and sometimes they can. That is the point of asking the question. If you consider me a troll, a newb, a dweeb or any other lame names then sure have your fun at my expense. I'm certainly more adult then you for asking the question instead of s this and f that. You didn't see that in my post.
4) mike1022, since you are a moderator and know more about what should be posted where I will next time try to post in the appropriate forum. I have a TF101 that I have rooted with the help of many great Devs in the Devs forum and since this was the general posting forum for TF owners I thought it was the appropriate place. My apologies if I made a mistake.
To the few of you who provided constructive criticism, I thank you for for taking the time and effort.
I understand
I understand the need to post 10 times before being to reply in some forums, I'm sure this cuts down on a lot of unnecessary posts. I would really like to help out, but I will attempt to follow the rules and post 10 times so i can post in there
For example, I saw someone post a unix script in the fre3vo thread for Sensation. Then someone asked what about windows. I had already copied his script and converted it to a .bat and tested it on my phone. I would love to post there for them to use, however, I need to get my 10 posts out of the way first.
Here's the zip I would like to post in that thread (contains both unix and windows script). I can script the fre3vo temp root steps in front of it too.
For windows, set up the temp root using the fre3vo steps then run script.bat
EDIT1: grrr, apparently it only works for a few minutes, and simply rerunning it doesn't fix it again. Also, the .bat file i put in there could use some cleaning up...
EDIT2: And before anyone says anything, yes, I am a newb to android, last Saturday was the first time I even touched an android device. Feel free to flame me.
EDIT3: I just noticed this is in the Eee Pad forum, I just did a search for "10 posts before reply." Sorry for posting in the wrong area.
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And before anyone says anything, yes, I am a newb to android, last Saturday was the first time I even touched an android device. Feel free to flame me.
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Welcome but remember google & the search function are your friends.
I have found that you can always send a personal message instead, does not help the group but at least you get a reply
Had an atrix for a few months now and have come to this forum almost daily to read and learn but have not posted until now. Below are just a couple general questions/opinions that I have based on how this forum conducts itself especially compared to other forums I frequent.
1. Why do people think they are owed something by devs and especially for it to be done on a timetable? To the best of my knowledge these people all have work/school/family’s/friends and work on this stuff on there own time and are not paid to do it.
note: to those who complain about making donations to devs and thinking this entitles you to the above learn the definition of DONATION, summarized as “gifts given to benefit a cause with nothing expected in return.”...otherwise it would be a purchase, investment, or wage.
2. Why can’t people read a thread before starting a thread or posting a reply, usually to ask a question that was already answered several times already in that thread or others?
3. In relation to question 2, why does this forum not have more moderators, especially in the Dev forum were people can’t seem to grasp what should be posted in there or what a appropriate reply is. Almost every thread worth readying takes 5x longer to read than it should to weed through the morons who seem to just want to voice there 2cents worth (and most isn’t worth that).
My theory is, if everyone just took a few minutes to search and read before posting then not only would they not fill the forum with junk they would also learn and potentially be able to contribute to the overall knowledge of the forum. I do want to thank those who already do this, I know I have learned an immense amount after coming here a complete android noob.
I agree with you for donations, however, I take exception on those who have spread themselves too thin, have opened up way too many projects and failed to deliver usable results on any of them. If you've got the donation pot out and you fail to deliver on all your promises, expect some reverb to come your way.
As for the rest of your post, you're definitely preaching to the choir
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the tone that gets set through this forum sometimes. Just like the devs have families/jobs/life outside of this forum so does everyone else. Now I 100% agree with using the search feature or even google to find information you need, I just think it doesn't always have to take a smart a$$ response when someone asks a question.
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I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
DarkRyoushii said:
I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
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we tried this on the samdroid forum and it worked ...keep a dev section for releases and a discussion section for the releases.
so every mod/rom had a thread in the dev section (restricted to dev's only for posting) and a thread in the discussion section for questions and thanks etc.
Hi, I\m a member for many months now and still cannot interact with the forum of my rom. They want at least 10 posts. What to do if I have nothing to say outside my rom? There are questions asked by people I would like to answer and cannot yet. This policy needs reconsideration - I think.
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Hi, I\m a member for many months now and still cannot interact with the forum of my rom. They want at least 10 posts. What to do if I have nothing to say outside my rom? There are questions asked by people I would like to answer and cannot yet. This policy needs reconsideration - I think.
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Well...why not go through the Q&A section and answer people's questions? Thus getting 10 posts (without spamming, and by actively contributing to the community) and then you can answer/ask more questions. I partially agree that time could be a better indicator of whether or not someone should be allowed to post in the development section, but there has to be some system by which the forums can be free of 'how do I install this ROM' questions or similarly stupid questions which could be answered by using the search function.
Speaking of the search function, I think there is a thread about this in the 'about XDA-Developers' or 'General' section
or at least allow selective forum access. I need the thread of HD2 Boypcc Nand roms.
OK you win on this. I didn't search for this specific. I searched now, found some similar complaints but not very much like my viewpoint.
About searching, in fact I searched and read and learned too too much (and donated) without asking a single question yet. To post in generic forums I'd love to, but I don't see really serious stuff (for me) to discuss outside ROM. OK 6 down 4 to go
I agree. The policy might need reconsideration but it is not really important though. 10 posts are mighty easy to achieve. Try answering questions in the QnA thread. However, if you really are unaware of how to solve member's problems and queries, you can always hang around and have some fun in the off topic thread. In that way, you will be able to achieve your target. Its not exactly how you might want your first 10 posts, but if you get to interact with your forum,then you will be able to gain more knowledge and a better understanding. Then you can truly start helping people after that.
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I agree. The policy might need reconsideration but it is not really important though. 10 posts are mighty easy to achieve. Try answering questions in the QnA thread. However, if you really are unaware of how to solve member's problems and queries, you can always hang around and have some fun in the off topic thread. In that way, you will be able to achieve your target. Its not exactly how you might want your first 10 posts, but if you get to interact with your forum,then you will be able to gain more knowledge and a better understanding. Then you can truly start helping people after that.
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OK OK gentlemen, I did, I found 3 questions to answer and did. Now this is post 10 , lets see if done yet.
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OK you win on this. I didn't search for this specific. I searched now, found some similar complaints but not very much like my viewpoint.
About searching, in fact I searched and read and learned too too much (and donated) without asking a single question yet. To post in generic forums I'd love to, but I don't see really serious stuff (for me) to discuss outside ROM. OK 6 down 4 to go
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Lol well obviously you didn't ask questions, otherwise you would have more posts
But I respect having no posts but having a membership for a year (and actually using the forums) much more than having 5billion useless posts without having helped anyone.
thread closed because is not related to HD2 Android ... for further information please go here. Regards,
12's tutorial on how to get your postcount above 10:
Keep in mind that only people we the genuine intent to post one of their developmental projects or with a (well explained) bug report NEED a postcount above 10. Nonetheless I'll give you some guidelines on how to achieve this goal in a community accepted way:
Read the stickies in About xda-developers.com
Read this thread
Read the stickies in Questions and Answers, ask a question there about the site or anything general should anything be unclear to you
Try to answer 2 or 3 questions there
Read the stickies in your forum for your favorite device
If you have any news on the device post it in general
If you have any questions about a hack, app, ROM or theme pop into that thread and ask a question or leave a message
Check out your device specific Questions and Answers (if it has one, otherwise check out General). With everything you have learned so far you should well be able to help a few more people there
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Am I alone in thinking that every ROM/kernel/mod getting their own Q & A thread is messy, fragmented, confusing and generally Not A Good Thing?
They're here to stay unfortunately, mods choice, but sheesh.... Even more room for dumb questions that have been answered many gazillion times before.
My $0.02.
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So, what, you want all 5,867,631 members posting every question they have about every ROM single in one massive topic? Or would you prefer that everyone makes a new thread for every question? Which will inevitably lead to thousands of people asking the exact same question over and over and over again, making a new thread for every single one.
Good luck sorting out that nightmare.
Information is much more specific, sorted and organised this way. You need specific information in a thread, that's what the 'Search this thread' bar on the top right side is for.
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So, what, you want all 5,867,631 members posting every question they have about every ROM single in one massive topic? Or would you prefer that everyone makes a new thread for every question? Which will inevitably lead to thousands of people asking the exact same question over and over and over again, making a new thread for every single one.
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In my experience, the latter is exactly what's going to happen anyway. Always has been that way, always will.
Your point of view is cogent, logical and eminently sensible. And that's why this new system won't work - because those who can't /won't use search, read more than one post, start with "I've tried searching but it didn't help" etc continue down their diametrically opposed routes...
I also have read one dev stating that he wants no part of an extra Q & A forum and won't be replying to any questions there.
So who gains?
A further thought - from what I can see, the Q&A Bot seems to be triggered by questions in the ROM/kernel fora/threads, judging by the redirects to the new Q&A threads.
But some of the former threads are 20+ pages long. I cannot see how further fragmentation will possibly lead to less clutter. Duplicate questions answered in different sub-fora, and extra threads for people not to search in will be the result. Hope I'm wrong. But I'm not, wait and see
Here's a prime example....
In all honesty i dont care how they want to structure the forum.
I do personally think it should be the other way Around. i.e. The MAIN Release of the ROM is on the Q&A and people have to earn the correct Rep to post in the Dev Section.
Why...
Well most people on this forum dont know how to use a search function, So what better way, Post your question in one section
Then post it again in another section, Double the chances / speed of being answered.
If a user cannot google a question or search the forum, How do the expect to filter the stupidity down by opening a new thread for people to post stupid questions.
Each Thread Q&A has all the normal stuff it does right now.
The Thread links off to the Dev section, where you will need X Reputation in order to post stuff in the development section.
I think this would reduce the stupid question and leave the developers forum free for actual debug, issues and fix's being posted.
Regardless of what suggestions are made, They will never be taken on board. Mods aint what they used to be Maybe i have been here too long.
No disrespect of course