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I'd like to start a discussion on how to get Windows 8 running properly on a MacBook Pro (or in general any Mac that supports BootCamp).
Everything runs kind of smoothly, except since Apple doesn't "Officially Support" Windows 8, out of the gate I wasn't able to get a few things working. Unfortunately, the driver disc that Apple provides to you doesn't install officially because I was "not running Windows 7."
I am using a MacBook Pro, early 2010. 2.4ghz Core2Duo, 4gb of RAM and a 1tb HDD. (I can post an iso for these drivers later if needed)
Not working
Volume Buttons
Brightness Buttons
Eject button
2-Finger Scroll
I'll update later once I am out of class, but those are some things I've run into.
can't you get the drivers from the bootcamp program
if you have the exes of the files just run the programs into compatibility mode
alternatively use uniextract to extract the drivers and run the exes that way..
right click the setup file choose properties. Goto compatibility, and choose windows 7. Hit ok and run setup file..
works for me using the compatibility mode to install bootcamp using windows 7 mode
Well thanks guys! As soon as I read that I had a pretty big "DUH" moment. Everything is running much smoother now for obvious reasons.
Anyone had a freeze yet? When I'm doing intensive stuff it hangs and I have to manually shut it down.
I am also still missing a driver: Microsoft Device Association Device Enumerator.
I have an early 2009 MacBook Pro (13 inch), maybe that's why
Hi,
I have the same freezing issue on my 2009 MacBook Pro 13 inch, I have narrowed it down to the Nvidia graphics drivers (feels like Vista all over again with Nvidia giving us crappy unstable drivers again), if you go down to the built in Microsoft driver the laptop is solid albeit a little bit less smooth due to the loss of the Nvidia drivers and your laptops fans will be on quite a bit but it stops it crashing.
I have tried several different Nvidia drivers from laptopvideo2go.com and none have stopped the random crashing but other than that Windows 8 is rocking.
Thanks
James
james194zt said:
Hi,
I have the same freezing issue on my 2009 MacBook Pro 13 inch, I have narrowed it down to the Nvidia graphics drivers (feels like Vista all over again with Nvidia giving us crappy unstable drivers again), if you go down to the built in Microsoft driver the laptop is solid albeit a little bit less smooth due to the loss of the Nvidia drivers and your laptops fans will be on quite a bit but it stops it crashing.
I have tried several different Nvidia drivers from laptopvideo2go.com and none have stopped the random crashing but other than that Windows 8 is rocking.
Thanks
James
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Thanks for info James. Really helpful!
Sounds like the same issue for me. Did you find the missing driver?
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You might wanna try updating the PC. There's a driver being offered by Microsoft I think and I been running it since and haven't had a freeze yet. We have yet to see, but give it a try and let me know what you get.
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Thanks for info James. Really helpful!
Sounds like the same issue for me. Did you find the missing driver?
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You might wanna try updating the PC. There's a driver being offered by Microsoft I think and I been running it since and haven't had a freeze yet. We have yet to see, but give it a try and let me know what you get.
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Nope.. That didn't work either. I even tried 32 bits one with the generic driver.. I guess I'll have to wait for a mature build.
NFRCER said:
Thanks for info James. Really helpful!
Sounds like the same issue for me. Did you find the missing driver?
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You might wanna try updating the PC. There's a driver being offered by Microsoft I think and I been running it since and haven't had a freeze yet. We have yet to see, but give it a try and let me know what you get.
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yes indeed... very helpful !
I have the same issue and I have thinking about the nVidia drivers also...
I hope it will have a better stability in Win8 beta... because win8 is absolutely amazing !
I got most of the things working except:
Screen brightness buttons
Volume buttons
Eject button.
W8 treats them like regular function keys, even with the option turned off in the bootcamp meny.
**EDIT**
I got them to work!
I installed bootcamp driver 3.3 for windows 8 and installed .net framework 3.5.1 from windows update, now the buttons work but it's not showing the symbols (for example: lowering the volume) on the screen.
Windows 8 have not (yet...) crashed on me.
thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all of this works. you probably did something wrong.
Does multitouch on the trackpad work for sliding the screen rapidly side to side?
jasongw said:
Does multitouch on the trackpad work for sliding the screen rapidly side to side?
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I haven't tested that feature yet, I am also unsure on how bootcamp drivers handles multitouch (with more than 2 fingers)
koala996 said:
yes indeed... very helpful !
I have the same issue and I have thinking about the nVidia drivers also...
I hope it will have a better stability in Win8 beta... because win8 is absolutely amazing !
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Well I have a mid 2009 13 inch MacBook Pro too and had the freezing on DP, have the CP installed now and all was going well........... until it froze again!! Odd thing is it only ever happens for me when chrome is running.
Installed on my 2011 Mac mini, upgraded from Windows 7 and not a single driver issue at all. Running smooth and calm like it should be.
Massive win =D
Funny that it actually runs better on the Mac mini than Lion.. Only tidbit is that HDMI audio is still not working! D:
Perfect on my Air 11'' (2011) too. I've seen only one driver that doesnt seem to work alright : the automatic brightness sensor makes the screen turn black randomly when there isn't much light around. I disabled it and manage everything manually...
Rickythemaniac said:
I got most of the things working except:
Screen brightness buttons
Volume buttons
Eject button.
W8 treats them like regular function keys, even with the option turned off in the bootcamp meny.
**EDIT**
I got them to work!
I installed bootcamp driver 3.3 for windows 8 and installed .net framework 3.5.1 from windows update, now the buttons work but it's not showing the symbols (for example: lowering the volume) on the screen.
Windows 8 have not (yet...) crashed on me.
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bootcamp driver 3.3 for windows 8? like just the normal one or a special one? I can't seem to get it to work..
the only issues i got is with my lightsensor.
the driver are installed correct and it shows me that all is fine. but i can´t turn on the automatic mode so i have du set it manuel
Strange little problem I’ve got here. I’m using the brilliant Asus UX31E ultrabook which is a 1.8ghz i7.
Didn’t have any problems running windows 7, but just installed a fresh windows 8 last week.
I’ve installed all the updates I could find from the ASUS website but here’s the problem, with windows 7 the fans would only ever come on if you were really pushing it playing a game. Using windows 8 the fans will regularly come on just browsing in chrome.
when you open task manager the computer details recognise that it’s only a 1.8 processer yet it often is being utilized as high as 2.8ghz! This is making the machine overheat, turn on the fans and sometimes have to turn itself off.
I’ve been into power settings and reduced the maximum power usage to 70% and that usually does the job, but then it quickly forgets this setting and restores it to 100% (2.7GHZ!). In task manager the highest task utilisation wise is ‘system’ but no idea exactly what it’s doing..
Is there anything I can do to have greater control over the processor speed or investigate what might be causing the problem?
Asus had some power control software for windows 7 but don’t seem to offer it for windows 8.
Cheers guys
andypa1 said:
Strange little problem I’ve got here. I’m using the brilliant Asus UX31E ultrabook which is a 1.8ghz i7.
Didn’t have any problems running windows 7, but just installed a fresh windows 8 last week.
I’ve installed all the updates I could find from the ASUS website but here’s the problem, with windows 7 the fans would only ever come on if you were really pushing it playing a game. Using windows 8 the fans will regularly come on just browsing in chrome.
when you open task manager the computer details recognise that it’s only a 1.8 processer yet it often is being utilized as high as 2.8ghz! This is making the machine overheat, turn on the fans and sometimes have to turn itself off.
I’ve been into power settings and reduced the maximum power usage to 70% and that usually does the job, but then it quickly forgets this setting and restores it to 100% (2.7GHZ!). In task manager the highest task utilisation wise is ‘system’ but no idea exactly what it’s doing..
Is there anything I can do to have greater control over the processor speed or investigate what might be causing the problem?
Asus had some power control software for windows 7 but don’t seem to offer it for windows 8.
Cheers guys
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Have you done a upgrade or clean installation from windows 8
if you had done a upgrade please do a clean installation of windows 8
if not then go to the advance power settings in the control panel and set processor cooling state to active
shreshth89 said:
Have you done a upgrade or clean installation from windows 8
if you had done a upgrade please do a clean installation of windows 8
if not then go to the advance power settings in the control panel and set processor cooling state to active
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I was wondering if it was a true clean install or upgrade. I read he installed a fresh copy nut wasn't sure if that was meaning clean (wiped the drive) or what. I didn't really notice.alot of heat issues with my last laptop I upgraded; I chose to keep personal files and settings. I do have about 180gb of pictures and movies which were scattered in multiple locations on win7. Now my media is very orderly, as well as my 20gb of music.
Saying all that, I believe when I installed the media center that it cleaned up my files, or it may have just been windows 8, but either way it took some work on wimdows8 to organize my hard drive much better than before. I have scanned my hd for the need to defrag it, but it shows to be dang near perfect. If you have alot of media on your machine I wonder if its doing file management, which is making it run hot, etc. I know phones are different but when I load a new ROM it takes it several hours to slow down the media system usage.
How many days have you been running the system with wimdows8 ? Do you have a lot of Files/media on your machine ?
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The majority of the time, the issue isn't with the Operating System as much as it is with a single application. Check task manager while your computer is running and see what applications are causing the processor to go nuts. If it is indeed a system application, then I would suggest doing a complete wipe and fresh install of Windows 8. You can back up your authentication key by saving a specific folder in the File Browser. Do a search on MyDigitalLife for that information.
Doing a quick search on your Processor, it runs standard at 1.8 ghz, and the 2.9 jump is completely normal. It's a feature called "Turbo Speed". With Windows 8 came upgraded drivers, which probably enabled this feature that you've never noticed.
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I was wondering if it was a true clean install or upgrade. I read he installed a fresh copy nut wasn't sure if that was meaning clean (wiped the drive) or what. I didn't really notice.alot of heat issues with my last laptop I upgraded; I chose to keep personal files and settings. I do have about 180gb of pictures and movies which were scattered in multiple locations on win7. Now my media is very orderly, as well as my 20gb of music.
Saying all that, I believe when I installed the media center that it cleaned up my files, or it may have just been windows 8, but either way it took some work on wimdows8 to organize my hard drive much better than before. I have scanned my hd for the need to defrag it, but it shows to be dang near perfect. If you have alot of media on your machine I wonder if its doing file management, which is making it run hot, etc. I know phones are different but when I load a new ROM it takes it several hours to slow down the media system usage.
How many days have you been running the system with wimdows8 ? Do you have a lot of Files/media on your machine ?
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yes it is true
whoever each and every application running sometimes FC itself or crashes while operation which leaves a unmarked thread or loos end of the application (which also termed as viruses when they start further spreading the system)
in system which were already troubling you creates a problem due to upgrade
Hi, my Thinkpad X230 Tablet boots win 8 in just 6 seconds!
see it in action: youtube
My computer is running UEFI "BIOS" and it has a Crucial mSATA SSD.
A) No, it doesn't. Read up on hibernation boot.
B) This has been discussed before...
Don't get me wrong, it's cool (if you don't mind blowing a ton of disk space for a hiberfile, which is becoming a problem on machines with tons of RAM and tiny SSDs). It doesn't improve reboot time at all though, and I almost never just "turn off" my computer. Why would I? You know what's a heck of a lot faster than a 6-second boot? Instant-on resume from sleep.
HTCalltheway said:
Hi, my Thinkpad X230 Tablet boots win 8 in just 6 seconds!
see it in action: youtube
My computer is running UEFI "BIOS" and it has a Crucial mSATA SSD.
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It is literally 3-4 seconds on my Toshiba U925.
Oh, and for the record, the full reboot time on my Win8 Enterprise desktop (which has a SSD but no hibernation support because 32 GB of hiberfile would be too much of the SSD) is a little over 20 seconds. Still excellent, and a noticeable chunk of that is due to the computer's old-ish BIOS.
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Oh, and for the record, the full reboot time on my Win8 Enterprise desktop (which has a SSD but no hibernation support because 32 GB of hiberfile would be too much of the SSD) is a little over 20 seconds. Still excellent, and a noticeable chunk of that is due to the computer's old-ish BIOS.
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I haven't checked the full boot time when the hibernation support isn't invoked. The screen comes up in around 10 - 15 seconds, and I can log on immediately afterwards, but I've noticed that it isn't really fully up for many more seconds - it appears to be continuing to load various subsystems for up to a minute.
Yeah, all OSes do that. XP and before were awful about it, especially on single-core machines; they tried to load everything at the same time and performance went to crap as a result for a while after login. Vista and later introduced a way to launch services with a delayed start, which improves responsiveness during this period dramatically. I'm not sure what Linux or OS X do, but I've seen the same kind of delay on them too.
Multi-core, high-RAM, and SSD-equipped machines have reduced the impact of this to almost negligible levels, although even on my 8-core, 32-gig, SSD-based beast of desktop, the initial login does still take a few seconds longer before being usable than subsequent ones.
Guys,
I know that my question might be kind of off-topic in this section, but I'm desperate and it is still has to do with Windows 8, so:
I've got 3 year old ASUS K52Jc (i5 2.52GhZ, 4GB RAM, 600GB HDD, nVidia GeForce 310m + Intell HD Graphics) and as you see, it is a good mid-range machine even nowadays. I always took a good care of it.
So, lately (since the first time I installed Windows 8) it has strange behavior. It tragicly slowed down and started to heat, sometimes it's just blocks while I listening to music even on Windows 2.95 (very lightweight player) with no progs running. First I thought that it's happening because of Windows 8 drivers compatibility, so I decided to format and install Windows 7 again, but nothing changed. It is very strange because it blocks when I do normal stuff (internet, listen to music, watching movies, etc.) but when I edit movies (in After Effects CS5.5 and Premiere CS 5.5) and while I'm running heavy programms/games, my laptop performs great.
Lately, I've installed Windows 8.1 and problem is still there. I did chkdsk, ccleaner maintense, defragmented with defraggler, I've got good antivirus, and I did latest BIOS update, nothing changed. I've got services and startup programs well configurated.
This is very strange behavior and it's annoying. Is there any chance that someone in XDA could identify the problem and tell me solution?
P.S. Last month I cleaned fans and changed the thermo-paste. No luck, it's slow, has lags, has heating, it freezes randomly. And the worse of all is that any diagnostic I do tells me that there is no problem in software and hardware.
:crying::crying:
Any solution for me?
Most likely problem is the disk; did you do a thorough scan or just a file system scan? Another possibility is the RAM, but that's unlikely. Also, have you actually checked the CPU and GPU temperatures?
Also, for the record, 4GB of RAM is really marginal for a PC these days; I've got a 5-year-old tablet with that much. Normally I'd suggest increasing that to fix perf issues, but it sounds like that's *probably* not the problem. Keep an eye on utilization just in case.
Antique_Angel said:
Guys,
I know that my question might be kind of off-topic in this section, but I'm desperate and it is still has to do with Windows 8, so:
I've got 3 year old ASUS K52Jc (i5 2.52GhZ, 4GB RAM, 600GB HDD, nVidia GeForce 310m + Intell HD Graphics) and as you see, it is a good mid-range machine even nowadays. I always took a good care of it.
So, lately (since the first time I installed Windows 8) it has strange behavior. It tragicly slowed down and started to heat, sometimes it's just blocks while I listening to music even on Windows 2.95 (very lightweight player) with no progs running. First I thought that it's happening because of Windows 8 drivers compatibility, so I decided to format and install Windows 7 again, but nothing changed. It is very strange because it blocks when I do normal stuff (internet, listen to music, watching movies, etc.) but when I edit movies (in After Effects CS5.5 and Premiere CS 5.5) and while I'm running heavy programms/games, my laptop performs great.
Lately, I've installed Windows 8.1 and problem is still there. I did chkdsk, ccleaner maintense, defragmented with defraggler, I've got good antivirus, and I did latest BIOS update, nothing changed. I've got services and startup programs well configurated.
This is very strange behavior and it's annoying. Is there any chance that someone in XDA could identify the problem and tell me solution?
P.S. Last month I cleaned fans and changed the thermo-paste. No luck, it's slow, has lags, has heating, it freezes randomly. And the worse of all is that any diagnostic I do tells me that there is no problem in software and hardware.
:crying::crying:
Any solution for me?
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If it's acting up and there's no hints in even Task Manager of something chewing up resources, CPU could be running at base speed (SpeedStep). I had this problem in my wife's BRAND NEW i7-3770k box that I built and it turned out to be faulty RAM and possibly bad mobo. (I never re-tested mobo after I yanked it.)
So my suggestion - if you can try RAM one stick at a time. Also consider testing for several runs under MemTest. See if that helps confirm a RAM issue. If laptop is still under warranty, consider getting it looked at and make sure mobo isn't on it's way out.
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If it's acting up and there's no hints in even Task Manager of something chewing up resources, CPU could be running at base speed (SpeedStep). I had this problem in my wife's BRAND NEW i7-3770k box that I built and it turned out to be faulty RAM and possibly bad mobo. (I never re-tested mobo after I yanked it.)
So my suggestion - if you can try RAM one stick at a time. Also consider testing for several runs under MemTest. See if that helps confirm a RAM issue. If laptop is still under warranty, consider getting it looked at and make sure mobo isn't on it's way out.
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I'll try to test it with new RAM. Thanks a lot!
Hi there.
I'm doing this thread to once & for all find the ultimate answers to my PC "issues".
Before i bought my Lenovo Yoga 8 laptop i was thinking of buying a Google Chromebook. Specs might not be as high-end as a Windows PC but it loads a lot faster (having no such apps or enough background process to load in the background), apps load a lot faster, updates come automatically (and no need to download/intall like a PC), straighforward OS and no complicated hundreds of settings to tinker with unlike a PC. And besides a Chromebook is virus and malware-free forever.
I also happen to come from a Macbook Air and i found my PC that slow. Downloading & installing apps takes a lot longer, opening or closing an app or browser or tasks also takes longer. But in the course i have made some research to improve the speed & performanc of my Windows laptop mainly:
1. Turned off bluetooth
2. Set Windows Update to automatic
3. Updated Windows Defender
4. Defrafgging my gard drive monthly
5. Choose Selective Startup (under msconfig) and made sure no apps are enabled under Startup, selected apps are running under Services, choose a higher number under Processors and maximum memory set to at least half of what my Lenovo is capable of (under Boot)
6. Set performance to High Performance. (And being plugged in the mains)
What else have i missed?
Also i noticed when i look at Task Manager there are background processes that i do not understand and i'm not sure whether to disable them or not although it shows 0% affecting the RAM, etc.
If i don't get satisfied with this "complicated" WIndows 8.1 OS i might as well sell it and get a Chromebook as i use most of their services anyway on my Android phone.
To put things into certain context you see the most "intensve" task i will be doing in my computer will be downloading torrents 10 tabs/files at a time (it could be an .mp3 album or a standard .mp4 HD movie), wireless printing hundreds of pages from an assignmnt or work project, transferring hi-quality files (Flac or .mkv) to my Android tablet or doing an "intermediate-level" photo editing of my photos for upload to Twitter, Facebook, etc. My computer stays at home 99.99% of the time and IS online 100% of the time.
What you think guys?
I am not exactly sure what you bought, cause I can't find any Lenovo Yoga 8 running windows 8.
If you find windows 8 slow, you either bought something very low end, or something broken inside.
And no, a chrome book is not better than a PC. A PC has this thing called "reliability", which the chrome book lacks when you no longer have an internet connection.
Unless you are ready to pay a hefty monthly subscription to some mobile operator for unlimited data connection (which isn't really unlimited, after around 4GB, your connection will be slowed down automatically in many cases), and are ready to face the consequences of not having said data connection service whereever you go.
Even if windows PCs are more "expensive", which they are not, you can find a much more powerful computing machine at the same price of a chrome book (haswel i3s are really cheap now), you know you can do anything you want, whenever you want, and not relay on your internet connection to do more than checking the time.
Sorry...
I have bought Lenovo Yoga 2 11-inch Windows PC.
The MacBook Air I had before my Lenovo one stayed at home 100% of the time and is connected to the web 100% of the time. My fibre broadband is at least 70MB downloads speeds. With this respect a Chromebook would be suitable for me.
The PC I bought isn't low-end by any means. It is of the higher mid-range ones based on the specs itself. As I said I have done my own research, looked at Youtube videos on tip & tricks. The 8.1 update itself took me almost 5 hours even with that good specs. After that it is still slow. You can set up a Chromebook in 5-ish minutes, takes under 10 seconds to boot up from no power or sleep and apps start almost instantly. Because of probably all these background processes going on in Windows 8.1 it is still slow. Have shut and stopped some of them but still no significant change.
WIndows 8.1 isn't the lightweight, smooth OS I was hoping for. It is still "complicated" compared to a Mac and a Chromebook. Having it owned and used for 4 weeks I think that was enough for me to realise that perhaps....maybe next time.
Your PC is VERY low end. It has a Celeron/Pentium processor which is basically a higher clocked intel atom.
Upper mid range is core i3, not celeron my friend.
A MacBook has a core i5 processor, among other things, like a SSD for storage.
You traded a lot of mobility in the yoga for lower specs. This is why you paid so much. You can easily get a haswel i5 for this money, which is almost 10 times faster than this. You didn't research properly, I am affraid. This ain't no notebook for keeping around the house. this is a mobility oriented product.
Well, anyway i have returned the Yoga 2 back to the store and got myself an Acer C720 Chromebook. First impressions? Positive. Solid keyboard (could do with a backlit one), good sounding speakers, solid build quality and that's it so far. It's barely 24 hours so its too early to say as i haven't tried it that much yet.
IMO the best thing to improve general "feel" of a computer, especially things like how fast applications start up, is get an SSD. I don't what your Yoga had, but if it was one of the ones with the 5,400 rpm drives, it'll be slow.
If all you need is Chrome, then a Chromebook has the advantage being cheaper. Whilst a 10 second boot that Google claim for Chromebooks is quick, I wouldn't call Windows PCs slow, so long as you don't cripple them with a slow hard disk. My low end Asus T100 boots in 12 seconds (my Android Nexus 7 2013 takes 30 seconds). I don't see why web apps would load slower or things take longer to download on Chrome under Windows, than on a Chromebook - has this been tested (on equivalent hardware and network)?
"updates come automatically (and no need to download/intall like a PC)"
But you still have to download them on a Chromebook, and it happens automatically on Windows...
Never had a virus on Windows, and virus checking is built in and in the background now. There is more of a risk, but then it's like saying you're better off with a £10 dumb phone, because it's impossible to get a virus on it
Chromebook has everything you need? Then well, go ahead. Cause it is cheap and maybe simple to use.
Just make sure one day if you come up with something that you want to do but can be done only on a real computer (like using certain software or playing certain games), you can't. At the end of the day, you pay for what you get.
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A Chromebook and a PC serve different purposes. A Chromebook is like a motorcycle, lightweight, efficient and it will get you to from point A to B on the internet. A PC is like a truck,it can do a lot more but needs a bit more hardware to run on. If you can get by with a Chromebook do ahead. But I want full desktop programs, hardware driver support, etc. Thats why I got a Toshiba Encore tablet that runs 8.1. Windows still feels kind of weird on a tablet, but having a full desktop OS in a device that portable is awesome and those Bay Trail Atoms are a hell of a lot better than previous Atoms.
The Lenovo Yoga laptop i got is a quad-core Haswell-powered computer. Yet, it took me 4 hours to update it to 8.1 whilst my Chromebook took 4 minutes (even less) to set-up. My quad-core Yoga took 30 seconds (or less) to startup whilst my Chromebook took 7-8 seconds maximum.
Since having an Android phone and tablet for the past 4-5 years i feel i am tied up to Google and its various services. I can still avail and enjoy some of the MS services like OneCloud and OneOffice via its web app versions so for me that's still ok.
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The Lenovo Yoga laptop i got is a quad-core Haswell-powered computer. Yet, it took me 4 hours to update it to 8.1 whilst my Chromebook took 4 minutes (even less) to set-up. My quad-core Yoga took 30 seconds (or less) to startup whilst my Chromebook took 7-8 seconds maximum.
Since having an Android phone and tablet for the past 4-5 years i feel i am tied up to Google and its various services. I can still avail and enjoy some of the MS services like OneCloud and OneOffice via its web app versions so for me that's still ok.
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Your yoga wasn't a haswell...
According to Lenovo it was.