I'm hoping the Moto X style Pure will have an unlockable bootloader. If it is sold "carrier free" then it shouldn't need carrier approval to unlock the bootloader, right? Anybody have any info?
If it's unlockable, it might replace my Nexus 6 - even without Wireless Charging
I hope so. That's the only reason I didn't get a moto x 2014. I loved the 2013 dev edition. I'm using a nexus 6 atm but would definitely get the new moto x just for the sdcard support.
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I hope so. That's the only reason I didn't get a moto x 2014. I loved the 2013 dev edition. I'm using a nexus 6 atm but would definitely get the new moto x just for the sdcard support.
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the pure edition for 2014 has an unlockable bootloader, actually most versions of the moto x 2014 got unlockable bootloaders (i think)
The Verizon and at&t models were not unlockable(officially, not sure if they've been unlocked by vulnerabilities) and the pure edition was not supported on Verizon.
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The Verizon and at&t models were not unlockable(officially, not sure if they've been unlocked by vulnerabilities) and the pure edition was not supported on Verizon.
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For these reasons I'm hoping we can use this on Verizon and unlock
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Moto has zero interest payment plans..
rocketsaucev2 said:
For these reasons I'm hoping we can use this on Verizon and unlock
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The reason the Moto X 2014 Pure Edition was not supported by Verizon is because it was strictly a GSM phone. The new Moto X is a global phone with virtually all bands unlocked meaning you will be able to use it on AT&T, T-Mobile AND Verizon. Verizon uses LTE bands 4 and 13 and the X supports all these wireless technologies. LTE cat. 6 (up to 300 Mbps)WCDMA, CDMA, EV-DO, TD-SCDMA, GSM/EDGE. So in short this phone will be capable of running on pretty much any carrier you wish to use. We must note that this is for the Pure Edition only and not the Style, the Style version is strictly GSM just like the Pure Edition of 2014.
Bands
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 38, 41)
(Info taken from Motorola's official site.)
for tmobile it will be unlocked
This is basically a nexus with some useful Moto apps. I would say it is even better than a nexus due to those added apps which are useful.
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It's a nexus without wifi calling unfortunately. Unless the style gets it.
NCguy said:
It's a nexus without wifi calling unfortunately. Unless the style gets it.
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Can they add wifi calling with a software update?
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. We must note that this is for the Pure Edition only and not the Style, the Style version is strictly GSM just like the Pure Edition of 2014.
Bands
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 38, 41)
(Info taken from Motorola's official site.)
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Correction there is only 3 phones from what I read.
Moto x Style or pure edition - US sold. GSM/CMDA
Moto x Play - International Sold. GSM
Moto G - GSM
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto-X-Style-vs-Moto-X-Play-vs-Moto-G-2015-specs-comparison_id72052
Not sure what you are correcting from my quote. The moto G is a completely diferent phone with its own thread .
Exactly you didn't read.
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It's a nexus without wifi calling unfortunately. Unless the style gets it.
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Can they add wifi calling with a software update?
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Android M Betas are already working with T-Mobile's WiFi calling. And the same will be the case for the Moto X Style/Pure. It will have WiFi calling via Android M. Already been done and nothing special Moto needs to do, other than offer the Android M update once available.
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The reason the Moto X 2014 Pure Edition was not supported by Verizon is because it was strictly a GSM phone.
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Right but the issue is why was it just a GSM phone? They had a Verizon Moto X 2013 Dev Ed and the Moto X 2015 works on all 4 carriers. Why didn't the Moto X 2014 Pure Edition either have CDMA radios like the Moto X 2015 or come in a Verizon Pure Edition version like the Moto X 2013 Dev Ed? I think Verizon didn't want a phone with an unlockable bootloader on their network.
Now that Motorola is giving the carriers the finger, we can have a Moto X 2015 that works on Verizon and has an unlockable bootloader again.
StankFiss said:
Correction there is only 3 phones from what I read.
Moto x Style or pure edition - US sold. GSM/CMDA
Moto x Play - International Sold. GSM
Moto G - GSM
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto-X-Style-vs-Moto-X-Play-vs-Moto-G-2015-specs-comparison_id72052
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I live in Europe. And I am thinking of buying the Pure edition in US because it is cheaper. Will I be able to use it here? I suppose so, but no one is mentioning it, everybody is just saying that it will be unlocked for all of the US carriers.
It's possible that it was indeed Verizon's influence but also maybe because CDMA support was not that important to Motorola. CDMA is a small fraction of their business in my opinion. GSM is the king of wireless around the world. I'm just glad to see Moto moving away from that and bringing such great devices truly global. (Its all my opinion)
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Right but the issue is why was it just a GSM phone? They had a Verizon Moto X 2013 Dev Ed and the Moto X 2015 works on all 4 carriers. Why didn't the Moto X 2014 Pure Edition either have CDMA radios like the Moto X 2015 or come in a Verizon Pure Edition version like the Moto X 2013 Dev Ed? I think Verizon didn't want a phone with an unlockable bootloader on their network.
Now that Motorola is giving the carriers the finger, we can have a Moto X 2015 that works on Verizon and has an unlockable bootloader again.
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That sounds like a dream lol. Can't wait
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It's possible that it was indeed Verizon's influence but also maybe because CDMA support was not that important to Motorola. CDMA is a small fraction of their business in my opinion. GSM is the king of wireless around the world. I'm just glad to see Moto moving away from that and bringing such great devices truly global. (Its all my opinion)
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I think prior to the Moto X 2013 the bulk of Motorola Android phones were on Verizon and Sprint. I suspect that in the US the CDMA carriers are very important to Motorola. Don't forget about the Verizon Droid line too.
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Bands (by model)
Moto X - Pure Edition (GSM Unlocked with T-Mobile SIM - XT1095):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (02, 04, 17)
AT&T (XT1097):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (02, 03, 04, 05, 07, 17)
Verizon (XT1096):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
CDMA (850, 1900 MHz)
4G LTE (02, 03, 04, 07, 13)
Had been hoping the Pure Edition would cover all of AT&T's bands too. Oh well.
If this is true I will return my Moto X. This is bs that the pure edition doesn't support all AT&T bands. Why can't the pure edition not support all gsm bands. Omg I am so angry.
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mgymnop said:
If this is true I will return my Moto X. This is bs that the pure edition doesn't support all AT&T bands. Why can't the pure edition not support all gsm bands. Omg I am so angry.
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Looks like it does
I wonder how much difference it'll actually make when it comes to connectivity and speed?
I ordered the the pure edition based on reports that the model would play fine with att LTE. I will not return it f it does not get all of the Bands though. I am curious as to why Motorola didn't put all of the same radio bands into the pure edition.
I don't think att uses those other bands yet. Maybe they plan to in the future or something
AT&T only uses bands 2, 4, and 17 in the US currently anyway so the pure edition will be fine.
So i'm from south america and my carrier uses lte cat 3. Which one should i get? The at&t or verizon should work. The thing is, how to get those models without contract..
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AT&T only uses bands 2, 4, and 17 in the US currently anyway so the pure edition will be fine.
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Thus, it explains the reason for just those bands!
Durp.
There's a lot of half-truths out there about the Pure Edition working on AT&T. It's true that it supports AT&T's major LTE bands, but it doesn't support them all. If you're OK with having access to most of AT&T's LTE network, then it's probably not an issue.
This is from a discussion that I started on G+ Moto X forum:
"Almost all the LTE in Vermont is band 5, and I frequently travel there for business and pleasure. The HSPA+ network is unusable in places like Burlington.
For the second year in a row, however, the unlocked Moto X doesn't allow its users from accessing all of AT&T's LTE network. I think this is a fact that a lot of news outlets and members of this community leave out because it doesn't affect them. The blanket statement by +Motorola Mobility and members of this community that "it is confirmed to work on AT&T" and the like is misleading and only true if the standard of "working" is that it can at least connect to some sort of network, just not necessarily the current generation network."
It seems like the Pure Edition is mainly geared toward T-Mobile. It is missing band 12, but not every where has that. Tmo operates on band 4. T-Mobile is "pure" so it makes sense lol jk
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It seems like the Pure Edition is mainly geared toward T-Mobile. It is missing band 12, but not every where has that. Tmo operates on band 4. T-Mobile is "pure" so it makes sense lol jk
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LOL. I think it is just plain stupid from Motorola to have two GSM models for the US market. Do they really used different hardware to cover the different bands or are they just disabled? First would be completely stupid.
I'd much rather that the Pure Edition have all the bands of the AT&T flavor, but as stated by @sabbotage, it would appear AT&T only uses 2, 4 and 17 in the US anyway:
List of LTE Networks
sogrady said:
I'd much rather that the Pure Edition have all the bands of the AT&T flavor, but as stated by @sabbotage, it would appear AT&T only uses 2, 4 and 17 in the US anyway:
List of LTE Networks
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But T-mobile is bringing Band 12 online, and that is not supported. It does really look like there is an F-up here someplace. Hopefully only in the information released.
Note10.1Dude said:
But T-mobile is bringing Band 12 online, and that is not supported. It does really look like there is an F-up here someplace. Hopefully only in the information released.
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Yes exactly and AT&T is using band 5 at the east coast (VT).
sogrady said:
I'd much rather that the Pure Edition have all the bands of the AT&T flavor, but as stated by @sabbotage, it would appear AT&T only uses 2, 4 and 17 in the US anyway:
List of LTE Networks
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I wonder if that info is even all correct. That's always what I went by, but it shows band 5 being strictly US Cellular and a few posts back the one person said Vermont is almost all AT&T band 5. So if that is correct then AT&T must be starting to just roll out band 5.
Note10.1Dude said:
But T-mobile is bringing Band 12 online, and that is not supported. It does really look like there is an F-up here someplace. Hopefully only in the information released.
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Band 12 is only in some places. It'll probably matter more in a year or so
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I wonder if that info is even all correct. That's always what I went by, but it shows band 5 being strictly US Cellular and a few posts back the one person said Vermont is almost all AT&T band 5. So if that is correct then AT&T must be starting to just roll out band 5.
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AT&T uses 17 as the main LTE band in the US, 4 in major cities where overhead is high and 2 is just starting now for overhead refarming the PCS spectrum. Nowhere do they use 5 at all. The phone will work fine with AT&T.
It's the same mess from the 2013 MotoX
XT 1053 = XT 1095
XT 1058 = XT 1097
I can't believe they still release a UNBRANDED PURE version with less LTE band support than the AT&T one.
XT 1097 will be used in canada also, europe, parts of asia and is the one selling in brazil since the beggining of september.
So if you want a true LTE global phone, you are stuck with ATT.
Copied from link below:
Bring your own device to AT&T
You can bring your own phone or tablet to AT&T with no annual service contract, if your device is unlocked - not programmed to work exclusively on another wireless network, and will work on one of these GSM network frequencies:
•3G UMTS network in the 850 / 1900MHz bands
•4G LTE network AWS / 700 / 850 / 1900MHz bands
Check your device manufacturer's website to see which frequency bands your device supports, and for information about unlocking your device.
https://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB113269
Band 5 is 850?
will the att version work on european lte?
I'm planning on getting a preorder in with Clove UK...
Looking at the frequencies and bands listed it looks like it will work in North America on AT&T and in Canada ...can anyone confirm that the US model is EXACT same as UK ?
Pure Edition bands (US version):
Networks
LTE cat. 6 capable
WCDMA
CDMA
EV-DO
GSM/EDGE
Bands
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS),1900, 2100 MHz)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 38, 41)
Style bands (Int. version):
Networks
LTE cat. 6 (up to 300 Mbps)
WCDMA
CDMA
EV-DO
TD-SCDMA
GSM/EDGE
Bands
UMTS GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (800, 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40, 41)
Strange. The international version says it will work for CDMA. But no CDMA bands are listed. It looks like it will work with AT&T and T-mobile. But its hard to say about software updates. I'd just wait for the U.S. Version. Since it will probably be announced in the next day or so. Since there is just pre orders for the international version with no release day. And it might even release later.
I think I'll pass on Clove..with exchange rate works out $600 CDN !!
Why would you do that.. itll be available with Moto Maker tomorrow?
Because Moto X Style isn't available in Canada and even if I try to preorder with Motorola.com they will not process my order based in fact I don't have a US credit card and US billing addresa
adsam3927 said:
Because Moto X Style isn't available in Canada and even if I try to preorder with Motorola.com they will not process my order based in fact I don't have a US credit card and US billing addresa
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Or wait until its available in ur country. I ordered mine at Clove since I know it will never come to my country ... Lol
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That aint happening !
I've got the patience of a 2 yr old in a toy store
adsam3927 said:
Because Moto X Style isn't available in Canada and even if I try to preorder with Motorola.com they will not process my order based in fact I don't have a US credit card and US billing addresa
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No way.. Wonder why that is
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joshhud said:
No way.. Wonder why that is
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Same "reason" Note 5 isnt being sold in Europe, no reason just stupidity lol.
I know this may not be the topic, but well the pure work in Japan?
I've been wondering the opposite ie. Will the US version work in the UK (on the 3 network)?
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I've been wondering the opposite ie. Will the US version work in the UK (on the 3 network)?
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US version doesnt have Band 20 ... so you wont be able to get good or 4G at all.
Just be patient lol ... will be out in UK soon.
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Because Moto X Style isn't available in Canada and even if I try to preorder with Motorola.com they will not process my order based in fact I don't have a US credit card and US billing addresa
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I am in canada too
Should we go with the style or the pure (us version) to make it wokr here?
Jkteam said:
I am in canada too
Should we go with the style or the pure (us version) to make it wokr here?
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Depends and what Bands your providers use.
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Depends and what Bands your providers use.
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i am with videotron in montreal. trying to find what kind of bands they are using
Jkteam said:
i am with videotron in montreal. trying to find what kind of bands they are using
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Juat call them up and ask. Will take few minutes and atleast then you know what will and wont work.
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Juat call them up and ask. Will take few minutes and atleast then you know what will and wont work.
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yyyyyeeee.
i am going there this afternoon
if it passes the test i just need to find a way to bring it to canada since it's not available here
Jkteam said:
yyyyyeeee.
i am going there this afternoon
if it passes the test i just need to find a way to bring it to canada since it's not available here
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I wouldnt mind shipping it to you from the UK but the exchange rate makes it very expensive.
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I wouldnt mind shipping it to you from the UK but the exchange rate makes it very expensive.
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we are getting owned by the can$ this days. i check 400 $ is like 520 cad , 500$u sd 660 cad so i am ready for it haha
it's still cheaper than galaxies etc
we will see today at 3pm what are the options
Are these the same phone? I thought they were different but when I went to customize the Pure, it gave options I thought was what differentiated with the Style.
What if anything is the difference?
AFAIK, in the US it's the Pure. Everywhere else it's known as the Style.
I think the radios in both phones might be different. Outside of that they are the same phones.
So is it possible to order the Pure for places in Europe?
Hey guys,
posting from Germany. I really love the design of the Pure/Style, but there's one thing that bugs me: Moto X Pure: $399; Moto X Style 499€ ???
I mean, that's more than a 100€ extra for basically the same phone. I recently discovered a method for ordering in the US as a European Citizen,
so I'm asking myself if it was possible to use the Pure edition instead of the way more expensive Style edition here in Germany?
In doing so, may I have to deal with worse connectivity? If it helps: I'm currently on o2.
Furthermore: faster updates. A User review somewhere said that Motorola US usually updates one month after a new Android version; Motorola
Germany however takes two months.
TL;DR: Moto X Pure usable in Germany? Only Advantages.
Appreciate every idea concerning this "problem"!
L.
Main differences are that the Style has dual SIM capability (US Pure does not) and the radios are different.
Style Bands:
UMTS GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (800, 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40, 41)
Pure Bands:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS),1900, 2100 MHz)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 38, 41)
As for using it on O2 in Germany, looks like you would lose 800 UMTS and it looks like O2 may use LTE bands 20 and 3 (e-plus), which the Pure only supports 3 (not 20) -- so you may not get the best use of the speed on the Pure vs the Style.
Thanks for the radio comparison. So the only up side to getting a Pure is the Motomaker availability then? If so, I guess I have to wait for it to become available here in the Philippines. :-/
UP SIDE
SUNNY-Blue said:
Thanks for the radio comparison. So the only up side to getting a Pure is the Motomaker availability then? If so, I guess I have to wait for it to become available here in the Philippines. :-/
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It'll be worth the wait. Especially When Motorola releases the interchangeable back covers!
masterjay21 said:
It'll be worth the wait. Especially When Motorola releases the interchangeable back covers!
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The Pure/Style doesn't have interchangeable back covers.
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The Pure/Style doesn't have interchangeable back covers.
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You know what you're correct. I was misinformed by a friend. looks like this could be as close as you'd get to changing it by force. :laugh:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/3jm7r3/dumb_question_are_all_moto_x_pure_back_covers/
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Main differences are that the Style has dual SIM capability (US Pure does not) and the radios are different.
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Just to add... unless I'm going blind or crazy (or both... quite possible), the UK version of the Style (ordered from Moto maker) does not have dual sim.
@Skyerin, if it's ordered via MotoMaker, doesn't that make it Pure so no dual SIM support?
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@Skyerin, if it's ordered via MotoMaker, doesn't that make it Pure so no dual SIM support?
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No. Pure is only in the US. I've posted the images on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62939410&postcount=72
Just saw the Moto Droid 2 from Android Authority, it looked really good, I'm intrigued, however, the screen of the Droid, if it's not glass, I am hesitant if it's a good thing. Thoughts anyone?
Is not glass, and the outer layer will certainly scratch easier.
On the flip side, though, the entire outer layer is replaceable. And of course you could always put a screen protector on to prevent scratches, but I hate screen protectors so wouldn't go that route personally.
So I don't know. I'm going to go look at one in the store later today.
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just lacks fingerprint sensor to make it perfect.
and if anyone wants it for att or tmo i'll be sending it to USA, CANADA and several countries like when moto maxx and moto x play.
info and specs sheet:
http://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-x-force
How long until @ChazzMatt will give us all the detailed specs on the different turbo2/moto X forces? I am interested in finding out which ones may all be unlock-able and which will work on which carriers.
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[/COLOR @ChazzMatt Any more models? Any unlock-able?
Droid Turbo 2 (USA verizon)
XT1585:
CDMA (850, 1900MHz)
GSM / GPRS / EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13)
Moto X Force (UK)
XT1580:
GSM / GPRS / EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40)
Moto X Force (China)
XT1581
2G: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
3G: UMTS 800 MHz (B6) / 850 MHz (B5) / 900 MHz (B8) / 1700/2100 MHz (B4) / 1900 MHz (B2) / 2100 MHz (B1)
4G: LTE 2100 MHz (B1) / 700 MHz (B17) / 850 MHz (B5) / 1700/2100 MHz (B4) / 1800 MHz (B3) / 2600 MHz (B7) / 1900 MHz (B2) / 900 MHz (B8) / 800 MHz (B20) / 1900 MHz (B25) / 700 MHz (B12) / 700 MHz (B28), TD-LTE 2500 MHz (B41) / 2300 MHz (B40)
Saw in store today. Liked what I saw. Ordered.
Goodbye root
But I will survive
rajuabju said:
Saw in store today. Liked what I saw. Ordered.
Goodbye root
But I will survive
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I went and looked at it yesterday too. Given the lack of progress on the Turbo, I just can't bring myself to give up root. I wish they would appease the users like us with a Developer Edition. I mean, I don't mind paying $720+ for a Dev Edition of this. But that much money for almost a guarantee of no root is too hard to accept. Amazing phone, though.
@MarkAtMoto is there any way to see if there will be one at any point?
I personally had the same issue but the days of rooting every phone are coming to an end. Just too many devices coming out and too much risk of bricking phone after phone. I love my Turbo and will keep it as a back up for sure
Watch "Motorola DROID Turbo 2 Review" on YouTube - https://youtu.be/6JB7xFZjBJQ
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How long until @ChazzMatt will give us all the detailed specs on the different turbo2/moto X forces? I am interested in finding out which ones may all be unlock-able and which will work on which carriers.
@ChazzMatt Any more models? Any unlock-able?
Droid Turbo 2 (USA verizon)
XT????:
CDMA (850, 1900MHz)
GSM / GPRS / EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+ (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13)
Moto X Force (UK)
XT1580:
GSM / GPRS / EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40)
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I'm sure there will be a U.S. "Kinzie" for regional CDMA/LTE carriers --- just like there was a U.S. Moto Maxx (Quark) XT1250 identical in every way to the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Except, of course, the XT1250 has unlock-able bootloader and root! and can run on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, just like a non-Nexus Moto 6.
But at this moment besides the Droid Turbo 2 (XT1585), the only "Kinzie" siblings I'm aware are the "international" and "China" versions, the XT1580 and XT1581:
http://www.smartphonezero.com/motorola-moto-x-force-xt1580-xt1581-specs/
The only difference I can see between those two is one more additional TD-LTE band (41).
However, I'm very sure there will also be a U.S. Kinzie for regional CDMA/LTE carriers. XT158_? May even be under the "Moto X Force" name -- just like last year the non-Verizon U.S. "Quark" was under the "Moto Maxx" name.
The non-Verizon U.S. model will probably show up in December, since the Moto X Force will officially be released in December. Then will probably show up on regional carrier websites in January? We just don't know the actual model number yet. Will probably be XT158-something. However, it will share the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2, just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx has the same FCC ID as the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 -- as it will be IDENTICAL in all radio/hardware specs.
It will have unlock-able bootloader -- just like last year's U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It will be the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo 2.
But just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx, the tech media will ignore it as they believe Verizon's PR marketing lies of "exclusive".
Just like the Quarks, all the Kinzies will be unlock-able, except for the Verizon model.
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The two FCC IDs associated with the Kinzie are:
* IHDT56UA1 (Droid Turbo 2) < this will be the same FCC ID for the U.S. non-Verizon variant.
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2690015 (lists Verizon LTE band 13)
* IHDT56UA2 (international Moto X Force)
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
Motorola is only required to list the GSM/HSPA/LTE bands used by carriers in the U.S. in their specifications to the FCC. Of course, we know the Moto X Force has many, many more LTE bands than those listed in that letter. It's only important so you can track the FCC ID. (Last year, Motorola did not list all the LTE bands the XT1225 Moto Maxx had, even in their official specs -- until they released the identical XT1225 Moto Turbo in India. THEN, then finally listed all the HSPA/LTE bands we had already found. )
Just like with last year's Quarks, Motorola swears all the Kinzies are identical in specs except for CDMA/LTE differences:
https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
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ChazzMatt said:
I'm sure there will be a U.S. "Kinzie" for regional CDMA/LTE carriers --- just like there was a U.S. Moto Maxx (Quark) XT1250 identical in every way to the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Except, of course, the XT1250 has unlock-able bootloader and root! and can run on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, just like a non-Nexus Moto 6.
But at this moment besides the Droid Turbo 2 (XT1585), the only "Kinzie" siblings I'm aware are the "international" and "China" versions, the XT1580 and XT1581:
http://www.smartphonezero.com/motorola-moto-x-force-xt1580-xt1581-specs/
The only difference I can see between those two is one more additional TD-LTE band (41).
However, I'm very sure there will also be a U.S. Kinzie for regional CDMA/LTE carriers. XT158_? May even be under the "Moto X Force" name -- just like last year the non-Verizon U.S. "Quark" was under the "Moto Maxx" name.
The non-Verizon U.S. model will probably show up in December, since the Moto X Force will officially be released in December. Then will probably show up on regional carrier websites in January? We just don't know the actual model number yet. Will probably be XT158-something. However, it will share the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2, just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx has the same FCC ID as the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 -- as it will be IDENTICAL in all radio/hardware specs.
It will have unlock-able bootloader -- just like last year's U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It will be the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo 2.
But just like last year's XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx, the tech media will ignore it as they believe Verizon's PR marketing lies of "exclusive".
Just like the Quarks, all the Kinzies will be unlock-able, except for the Verizon model.
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The two FCC IDs associated with the Kinzie are:
* IHDT56UA1 (Droid Turbo 2) < this will be the same FCC ID for the U.S. non-Verizon variant.
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2690015 (lists Verizon LTE band 13)
* IHDT56UA2 (international Moto X Force)
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
Motorola is only required to list the GSM/HSPA/LTE bands used by carriers in the U.S. in their specifications to the FCC. Of course, we know the Moto X Force has many, many more LTE bands than those listed in that letter. It's only important so you can track the FCC ID. (Last year, Motorola did not list all the LTE bands the XT1225 Moto Maxx had, even in their official specs -- until they released the identical XT1225 Moto Turbo in India. THEN, then finally listed all the HSPA/LTE bands we had already found. )
Just like with last year's Quarks, Motorola swears all the Kinzies are identical in specs except for CDMA/LTE differences:
https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
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Ok, so what I'm wondering is how well will the moto x force work on verizon with a verizon sim installed? It seems like you're saying it will work...but will it work exactly the same?
Bad Turbo 2
cowrecked said:
Ok, so what I'm wondering is how well will the moto x force work on verizon with a verizon sim installed? It seems like you're saying it will work...but will it work exactly the same?
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Well got my Turbo 2 and the handset mic is bad - this happened with my original droid as well. I am sending it back
cowrecked said:
Ok, so what I'm wondering is how well will the moto x force work on verizon with a verizon sim installed? It seems like you're saying it will work...but will it work exactly the same?
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That's not what I'm saying, if you are referring to the "international" XT1580/1581 (Kinzie) Moto X Force.
I'm saying the non-Verizon U.S. Kinzie with the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2 (XT1585) will work on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
The U.S. Non-Verizon Kinzie has not been released yet. It may or may not have the Moto X Force model name, when released.
But the non Verizon U.S. Quark, the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, sold by regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers does indeed work on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card. It's the SAME DEVICE as the Droid Turbo.
History will repeat. You just need to wait for the non-Verizon U.S. Kinzie with the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2 -- whatever the actual model name.
When Verizon says exclusive, legally they only mean the Droid name, not the device.
ChazzMatt said:
That's not what I'm saying, if you are referring to the "international" XT1580/1581 (Kinzie) Moto X Force.
I'm saying the non-Verizon U.S. Kinzie with the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2 (XT1585) will work on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card.
The U.S. Non-Verizon Kinzie has not been released yet. It may or may not have the Moto X Force model name, when released.
But the non Verizon U.S. Quark, the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, sold by regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers does indeed work on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card. It's the SAME DEVICE as the Droid Turbo.
History will repeat. You just need to wait for the non-Verizon U.S. Kinzie with the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo 2 -- whatever the actual model name.
When Verizon says exclusive, legally they only mean the Droid name, not the device.
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Then I guess I'll wait with high hopes that it will come out. Thanks!
sanjpatel said:
Just saw the Moto Droid 2 from Android Authority, it looked really good, I'm intrigued, however, the screen of the Droid, if it's not glass, I am hesitant if it's a good thing. Thoughts anyone?
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Personally I think the screen on the original Droid Turbo is better (Gorilla Glass 3 compared to a five layer "shatterproof" screen that from what I have read is sensitive to picking up dings and scratches).
There are other things that I like more about the original Turbo more than the Turbo 2. However your question is about the screen so I will leave it at that for now.
After playing with the Turbo 2 for the week, I'm on the verge of returning it.
The screen brightness is not an issue AT ALL. But the screen does look "sunk-in" to me. Its kind of odd. when you touch the touchscreen, you dont feel like you're really touching the icons. Kind of hard to describe. it irks me though. Brightness, clarity are all as good, or better than original Turbo.
The other issue for me are the bezels, specifically bottom bezel. I hate it. its too large. the checkmark logo is where the buttons should be. Its just all wrong and I cant get past it.
rajuabju said:
After playing with the Turbo 2 for the week, I'm on the verge of returning it.
The screen brightness is not an issue AT ALL. But the screen does look "sunk-in" to me. Its kind of odd. when you touch the touchscreen, you dont feel like you're really touching the icons. Kind of hard to describe. it irks me though. Brightness, clarity are all as good, or better than original Turbo.
The other issue for me are the bezels, specifically bottom bezel. I hate it. its too large. the checkmark logo is where the buttons should be. Its just all wrong and I cant get past it.
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I hear you but none of that really bothers me. However if it bothers you now I don't think it will get any better.
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Moto X Pure for Sprint. It does not seem to utilize the Sprint LTE Plus speed. I only get normal LTE speed which is not doubled compared to the new LTE plus phones for Sprint. Any suggestions?
My thought is you will need a new phone moto z looks nice....
But seriously sprint LTE plus is band 2.5 1.9 GHz and 800mhz in a mimo style connection if the radio is not specifically compatible for that type of connection then you need new hardware...
winn75 said:
Moto X Pure for Sprint. It does not seem to utilize the Sprint LTE Plus speed. I only get normal LTE speed which is not doubled compared to the new LTE plus phones for Sprint. Any suggestions?
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The Moto X Pure has the correct hardware for Sprint's "LTE Plus", Spark, or Advanced LTE uses carrier aggregation of 3 different LTE bands (25, 26, and 41), but the software implementation is not there.
There is quite a bit talk about the MXPE and Sprint's LTE Plus in this Reddit thread.