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OK, couldn't find a similar thread, so I will make a new one. I am a Noob when it comes to tablets and their OS restrictions (I've heard of boot-loaders and stuff but don't know exactly what they are).
So to the question - say I get something like this: Lenovo Ideatab K2110, which runs on an Intel X86 architecture.
Then when Windows 8 come out, can I get a license and run it on the device? Will that be possible? I know it is sort of early, but I am thinking about tablets and evaluating the options. Not really a fan of Android and iOS as I've always used windows, so I was just wondering if I get an Intel-based ICS 4.0 device, whether I can upgrade to Win eventually if I am not happy with it.
Also, I haven't found anything on the net, for convertable Android Intel-based tablets (like the Transformer) - anyone read anything on the topic? As if I upgrade to Win 8, I'd prefer a keyboard-dockable device.
Any help will be much appreciated!
To clarify - I am asking because of affordability - currently Win 7 tablets are very expensive. But if I get Android and decide that Win 8 is worth the money eventually then I will probably invest in it. I know the switch from Win 7 to Win 8 will be easy but Win 7 is crap until Win 8 comes out AND it is more expensive than Android so I see no reason to buy such a device.
And while on topic - how much would an Android shave off the price of a similar system with Win 8? Are Win 7 tablets so expensive because of the hardware or because of the software?
Edit: Just saw a similar thread in the Dev forum! I guess someone else has the same idea as me and it sounds plausible! Just waiting for an appropriate dockable device then Still, anyone heard about any convertible tablets with Intel chips?
You may be the first one in XDA say that Windows 7 sucks.
yeah, it can be suck for Tablet because it is a platform which Windows 7 wasn't aimed for.
And i don;t have a clear answer for the question because they can have the same hardware but install an OS on it is a different story.
For an example, in order to install Windows on a iMac is a stupid progress, even other PCs can use the same specs.
On a tablet it isn't good as far as I am aware. On my laptop - I love it. Anyway, are we going to know for sure when the Win 8 beta and some Intel Android device is out? I mean, would guys around here work out whether it will be possible at that stage?
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On a tablet it isn't good as far as I am aware. On my laptop - I love it. Anyway, are we going to know for sure when the Win 8 beta and some Intel Android device is out? I mean, would guys around here work out whether it will be possible at that stage?
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I bet most people here would buy off a tablet which run Windows 8 on a Second Gen Core i series.
ASUS seem to be a great deal over this.
does it use the regular BIOS when turned on? if so then yea it'll work. Im not so sure about that touchscreen though, there might not be drivers available for it. It really depends if the controller has been used regularly in windows, or if its some obscure chip that is only now being used in that device.
Based on little knowledge,Win 8 needs 'bios' , be it tablet or mobile.
OEM have to customise the hardware architechture.
I guess win 8 should run all the apps of win 7, based on the excellent backward compatibility of win o/s in general. again certain apps depend on the hardware architechture and the customisations the OEM offer. I may be wrong
As of now, the chaces for such porting seem low, unless some developers here in the community come up with another solution.
as long as it can have BIOS loaded, and drivers can be created, then the answer is yes, it will be possible
mtmerrick said:
as long as it can have BIOS loaded, and drivers can be created, then the answer is yes, it will be possible
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Thats exactly it,and with the cheap intel based android tablets coming on the market now,2 years later,this takes on more importance. I do wonder what boot loader they are using for the android tablets. I see that AMD is going to start getting into the mix,and that could be interesting because I understand that AMD has been supporting coreboot. If coreboot is ported to the chipsets in use,it might make an easy path to putting windows or linux on those tablets. Basicly,core boot handles low level hardware initialization,then loads an EFI or OpenBIOS payload,then your off and running In fact,if coreboot is ported,we might even see some RUN coreboot as the bootloader. With android,I can see simply using coreboot to directly boot into the linux kernel,and into android. But if they use it,its open source,so they need to release the code,and your good to go.
>Intel Android tablet to Windows 8?
OP should keep up with tech news.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5267360/intel-dual-os-pc-plus-android-windows-microsoft-objection
TL;DR: Per the piece's header. But MS & Google aren't onboard for turf reasons.
Edit: Oops, just noticed this thread is 2-yrs old, being necro'ed by last posting dude. Disregard response.
many tablets with dual os are available now
e.mote said:
>Intel Android tablet to Windows 8?
OP should keep up with tech news.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5267360/intel-dual-os-pc-plus-android-windows-microsoft-objection
TL;DR: Per the piece's header. But MS & Google aren't onboard for turf reasons.
Edit: Oops, just noticed this thread is 2-yrs old, being necro'ed by last posting dude. Disregard response.
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onda v919, teclast air ii, air 3g , etc and many others have dual os.
I am interested in the Kindle Fire and wanted to know what you guys feel about it. I want a tablet but dont want to break the bank and I also want to be able to put ICS on it. Is the Kindle Fire a good choice?
I was also wondering if you guys would recommend the KF over a windows tablet? I wanted to see what you guys think. Thanks in advance!
Let's put it this way... you'd have to GIVE me a Windows tablet in order for me to have one because I'd never spend money for it.
M$ may have good apps (Office suite), but I'm still not convinced that they have a good OS, something about reinventing the wheel. Give me a unix-flavored OS any day over Windows.
I'm obviously biased.
I dont mind biased answers lol! Doyou have a KF?
Yes, sorry, should have mentioned that I guess.
I purchased it around the new year and put ICS on it about a month ago and I'm not looking back. Yes there are still some issues (HW accel - related), but I don't have a need for that currently, so it's not bothering me.
I can't comment on the windows tablets, but the KF is a great device that is getting a lot of 3rd party development support behind it. It doesn't have loads of memory or storage capacity, but it's done everything I'd want it to do and then some. If you want an ICS tablet, is there really any competition at the $200 price point?
Isn't asus memo coming out soon for 250$
Just buy a kindle and then sell it when memo comes
Thank you for the replies! I ordered a KF last night on amazon.
I think you will like it. I have both a KF and a windows tablet (HP).
Nokia is apparently working on a Windows 8 Tablet for Q4 2012.
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YES, YES, and YES!
It better look like a bigger Lumia 900. I can't wait to see how it looks.
Windows 8 tablets can actually replace a laptop, because it can do everything a laptop can do. Microsoft and Nokia, I will be buying this!
Dear my Android tablet,
If this Windows Tablet is what I expect it to be, I'm done with you.
I hope the other OEM's start taking their designs a bit more serious. Nokia will make them look like chumps if they do what they've been doing for years, and what they've done on phones up until this point.
I'm sure the OEM's realize this because its going to be just like what Nokia is going to do for Windows Phones if they go into the tablet market with a vengeance. They will stand out tall, in stark contrast to the cookie cutter habits of Samsung, Sony, Toshiba, Dell, HP ect.
Very excited for whatever Nokia may come up with. If the aesthetic is anywhere close to the Lumia800 with decent battery life, this could be a killer Win8 tab.
Now its hard to decide if I save pennies for this or the Asus Transformer Win8 tab, which they will surely do...
nokia sould going on with symbian
i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
Cruz182 said:
i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
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AAAAAAAAnnnddddd.....Here come the trolls....
Will windows table be able to compete against the iPad and all the android tablets? I hope they don't endup like the blackberry playbook or the HP one. Nokia had a wrong strategy on going only with one platform that is not theirs.
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i hope nokia fall in disgrace! How they can reject android sytem ?
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Can anyone accept a half-baked turd like android would be a better question.
iPad Killer anyone?
I hope
I hope, this will be the hope for nokia, they are the first who introduces mobile phones. Nokia have so much potential still. Cannot erase nokia from the history.
I live in fear, Nokia will release something great, and then i will be shamed of my series 7 slate.
I am waiting for nokia tab....whst would be the price? anybody have idea ?
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I for one love the thought of a Nokia Tablet!!!!
So I'll be sitting on my hands, and my wallet until it hits the store self !!!!
(was going to do like a friend had done and imported a cheep China made Win7 Tablet, until I felt it's quality LOL)
I can't wait for Windows 8 to add to my Home PC, my netbook, and with luck by Christmas a Nokia Tablet
It will all blend well with my HTC Radar ( adding soon).
I just can't get into Android or iOS.....I just don't have interest in their devices
Ahh nokia please get with the system
hopefully nokia will come correct...not sure if micro soft is ready to do this right yet. They need to hit hard with a moderately priced 7inch 200$ unit first...kindle fire/nook tablet style. No more 1500$ windows tablets...nokia and my other favorite manufacturer have had hardware that trumps apple since day one...its time to regain some of that market share back!!!
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hopefully nokia will come correct...not sure if micro soft is ready to do this right yet. They need to hit hard with a moderately priced 7inch 200$ unit first...kindle fire/nook tablet style. No more 1500$ windows tablets...nokia and my other favorite manufacturer have had hardware that trumps apple since day one...its time to regain some of that market share back!!!
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$200 is a very tough, very established pricepoint to attempt to compete with. Might be better to risk $2-3billion on directly competing with the ipad in terms of hardware quality and pricepoints, given that its going to be fairly obvious within 2-3 months if there is any future in w8 tabs.
I also would definitely not attempt to launch anywhere near an ipad update. That would guarantee failure.
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$200 is a very tough, very established pricepoint to attempt to compete with. Might be better to risk $2-3billion on directly competing with the ipad in terms of hardware quality and pricepoints, given that its going to be fairly obvious within 2-3 months if there is any future in w8 tabs.
I also would definitely not attempt to launch anywhere near an ipad update. That would guarantee failure.
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My Gut tells me, it will not be a high priced device....it is not going to be an X86 version.
It's Windows 8 on Arm, so it is going to be seriously priced around many Android Tablets.
Unless your going to get a 4G +WiFi model.
I'm good with a WiFi only and hot spot my Radar for data.
to be honest, id jump at an x86 Nokia Tablet, just as i would the New WP7 Nokia 900, (but only once its cracked open!, my HD2 will do for now) the whole idea of an Arm tablet doesnt interest me, but thats personal, an no fault of an ARM system. alas unless Intel gets its finger out with some lower power CPUs ill need to wait a bit longer, the prices just now are far to high, im not even looking for serious CPU power, i just want x86 instruction sets!
As a Nokia stockholders, buy up boys :-D!
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I know allot of people are excited about Win8 on ARM. I understand the power consumption/management and price point benefits to building a system on ARM. However, Win8 on ARM will only be able to run programs specifically written for ARM architecture. In my mind this kills the best thing about having a windows tablet, the ability to install any program written for x86. That means Photoshop, autocad, office, or any of your favorite PC games written in the last 30 years. For me thats a deal killer. Sure, we might see something comparable to these cooked up for the win8 store, but they will be just that...cooked up and watered down...anybody else who has played with Photoshop from the android market and compared its function to the real photoshop running on a windows x86 tablet knows exactly what i mean.
Its not that I think WIN8 on ARM will be useless, or that it wont find its place in the market, with a name like Microsoft, im sure it will do fine. It will do fine as a media consumption device, not the high performance business tool which WIN8 on x86 is. Having 30 years of programming for the most successful architecture at your fingertips is pretty freaking amazing, and now that ive bought x86 windows, i wont be going back.
Bottom line WIN8 on ARM will do fine, but it will be just another media consumption device, probably priced around the ipad/Adroid tablet range and end up with about the same plethora of small semi functional touch programs and games. For working professionals, or hardcore gamers, the x86 structure and history is the way to go.
For the gamers out there ill lay it down like this:
best Android games: Angry Birds, Words with friends, a port of GTA3
best ipad games: Angry Birds, Words with friends
best WIN8ARM games: Angry Birds, Words with friends, Cut the rope
Best WIN8x86 games:World of Warcraft, Assasins Creed, Diablo 3.
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My understand is the Windows RT Slate comes with a full version of MS Office. How can anyone compare this to a Kindle Fire? Why is it that any time MSFT introduces something people say all sorts of bizarre things about it but with Apple they will pay any price for subpar hardware?
In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.
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In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.
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I disagree with you, any windows rt tablets should cost about as much as android tablets fall into while the Intel tablets should cost about the same as some of the higher end ipads
right now windows 8 has about as many apps as android tablets do when it comes to metro apps but if you're running an Intel based tablets you have desktop apps and games along side of metro apps and games
good price,lets see if they include office.
The competition is ON but please le's not get ahead of ourselves. Microsoft already has their pricing range set. The Kindle or iPad have different hardware set Compairing different things here. It's all about what you prefer and can afford!
Happy buying!
Who needs a bunch of apps if the OS is built correctly?
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In my opinion, the RT version shouldn't cost more than the iPad. It's a new product and there aren't as many apps as there are on iPad.
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What would you rather have Words With Friends or a full blown version of Office on your tablet? Furthermore I believe IE10 will have flash support built in. I notice a lot of Apps are there because tablets and phones can't use a lot of websites correctly. What would you rather have a full blown working browser or a clutter of apps?
I can't leave my laptop at home and travel with any of the major tablets. I need Office, Photoshop, and a full blown browser. I hate it when I get on the reservation page of a hotel and the tablet can't pull it up correctly. I can't book or cancel rooms half the time on that thing. You've got to get an app for that. So annoying. Seriously I just looked at the start menu of my desktop and besides the built in stuff that comes with Windows 7 I have Office, Photoshop, Adobe reader, VLC, Firefox, and pretty much nothing else.
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What would you rather have Words With Friends or a full blown version of Office on your tablet? Furthermore I believe IE10 will have flash support built in. I notice a lot of Apps are there because tablets and phones can't use a lot of websites correctly. What would you rather have a full blown working browser or a clutter of apps?
I can't leave my laptop at home and travel with any of the major tablets. I need Office, Photoshop, and a full blown browser. I hate it when I get on the reservation page of a hotel and the tablet can't pull it up correctly. I can't book or cancel rooms half the time on that thing. You've got to get an app for that. So annoying. Seriously I just looked at the start menu of my desktop and besides the built in stuff that comes with Windows 7 I have Office, Photoshop, Adobe reader, VLC, Firefox, and pretty much nothing else.
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you cant rely on office so heavily, that's why windows mobile failed but i do agree with you, this will be one of the first productive tablets instead of the play ones, but they need to make IE faster, after using IE10 on my tab i have to say it sucks just as much as all the other IE versions did, now im just playing the waiting game for google to fix their touch support in the chrome browser before i make the switch to using chrome
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you cant rely on office so heavily, that's why windows mobile failed but i do agree with you, this will be one of the first productive tablets instead of the play ones, but they need to make IE faster, after using IE10 on my tab i have to say it sucks just as much as all the other IE versions did, now im just playing the waiting game for google to fix their touch support in the chrome browser before i make the switch to using chrome
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I'm not "relying on office so heavily." Plus office on any small phone screen has limited utility. Office on a Surface is a whole different matter. You have a full keyboard and trackpad. You even have a USB port so you can use a mouse. On the Pro Surface you can even run photoshop. My point is I can leave everything at home and just take a Surface and my Windows Phone on a trip and I am set. Office, Photoshop, Acrobat, and Firefox cover 95% of my computing needs. I don't need a million and one apps. If I need to check weather, stock quotes, news, etc I can just go online. I have a full keyboard and mouse if I wish.
I could never go on a trip with just an ipad and a phone. No way. I've been burned too many times. Comparing a Surface which is a fully functional machine to an ipad which is an expensive glorified toy is ridiculous.
I'm into music production, I can have the full version of my music software on the 86 version that's gonna change things alot. My friend who is a producer he has two iPads and is getting a third one, that are loaded with every music app you get but the still has to use his desktop or laptop to get any work done, I'll be able to do it with one device.
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Plus people are forgetting that there's gonna be many more windows slates out other than ms some may have even better specs the ms surface has, hp,Dell,etc. This is gonna be the death of the desktop year, no one is gonna get a desktop because the surface devices can work as full computer the 86 version has a mini port , an the rt has a HD video port, plus all the other stuff
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The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).
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I wrote a comment about this earlier posting why it will be around that price range.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27884775&postcount=33
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The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).
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Google will lunch Nexus 7 which will costs under 200$ in the base version.
I think if Microsoft wants to be competitive in the tablet market needs to sell its Surface under 199$.
599$ is very expensive.
Price seems too good to be true
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The surface RT will NEVER be as low or lower than $199. You'd be lucky to see it under $599. Remember, it will out spec the other Tablet/Slates in the market and surely outdo the iPad. Microsoft is sick of being screwed and laughed at, they're now going to show the MFG's what the mean when they said you need to do this and that (spec wise).
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for 599 i can buy a windows 32bit tablet and an android tablet, microsoft isnt stupid so i know it wont be priced that high for the rt tablet, they need to compete with ipads remember, and just cause it out specs and out does the ipad doesnt mean people will buy it, android tabs are already cheaper and faster than the ipad but the ipad still out sells android tablets(not including ereaders)
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DeAndreon said:
Google will lunch Nexus 7 which will costs under 200$ in the base version.
I think if Microsoft wants to be competitive in the tablet market needs to sell its Surface under 199$.
599$ is very expensive.
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i dont think microsoft is going after android as much as they are going after the ipad
android tablets are cost effective because android is a free OS while windows is licensed to manufactures, if its anything i think the cheapest windows rt tablet will cost around 250-290 depending on specs which tbh isnt outrageous
i dont think microsoft is going after android as much as they are going after the ipad
android tablets are cost effective because android is a free OS while windows is licensed to manufactures, if its anything i think the cheapest windows rt tablet will cost around 250-290 depending on specs which tbh isnt outrageous[/QUOTE]
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People who think it needs to cost LESS than $199 are smoking crack. It needs no such thing.
What it DOES need to do is be priced competitively with entry level iPad, which means around $399-499 for the ARM version. The Intel version can get away with ultrabook pricing because, well, it's basically an ultrabook--just with a badass design .
Now that we've seen the Nexus 7 Android tablet at $199 with similar guts to the RT version (as long as we assume the RT version will be Tegra 3) but with a smaller screen, but with more features, it's fair and safe to say that we should expect reasonable pricing for Surface on Windows RT.
But with that said, I don't expect Surface, even in ARM version, to be the cheapest Windows 8 tablet. I believe we'll see third parties offering less expensive--probably more cheaply built, too--Windows RT tablets. How low will they go?
Well, I guess only time will tell. On the bright side, MS has been very smart with the development of both Windows 8 and Surface--they won't fall into the lawsuit trap that Android makers have with Apple.
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My understand is the Windows RT Slate comes with a full version of MS Office. How can anyone compare this to a Kindle Fire? Why is it that any time MSFT introduces something people say all sorts of bizarre things about it but with Apple they will pay any price for subpar hardware?
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I think Microsoft should 'cheapen' the RT to compete with Nexus 7, The more competition, the better.
guys u need to remmember that u pay some cash for the windows OS.When u buy a laptop with installed windows in it it u pay around 200$ (in Bulgaria) for the licence more compared to a laptop or pc without OS.So im 100% sure that the cost of the RT version will be will be included in the tablet so lets hope that the OS is around 70% so the tablet can be priced around 250 300$.I think that the RT version starting from 250 300$ is a pretty good price.About the win8 pro i gues 700/800$ +
After having the asus transformer prime for about the last 4 months or so, I can gladly say I would rather pay extra for RT. If they update it like they do other windows then it's worth it. Remember with a free OS YOU GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!
New Galaxy Tab uses an Intel processor
Combined Galaxy and Ativ unveiling
Here's what I'm seeing with this news:
A. Samsung makes Galaxy/Ativ devices which are strikingly similar, possibly use same accessories
B. Samsung makes one device which runs both platforms, but can be purchased as each platform separately, each with slightly different hardware to match a price point (E.G. Galaxy tab $400 with 2GB RAM, Galaxy/Ativ $600 with 4GB RAM, keyboard dock):fingers-crossed: :good:
C. Samsung simply unveils separate devices, but the Galaxy is jailbroken, and since it runs on an Intel chip, Windows 8 can be installed via OEM license.:victory:
What do you think? Will any of it happen? I sure hope! This would be the ultimate device... even better than the Surface! :laugh:
PLEASE SAMSUNG??? :fingers-crossed:
UPDATE: GGGGAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! SAMSUNG DID IT! The Samsung Ativ Q!
I know this might be a long shot but I am kind of hoping that they release one device that integrates both OS's into one, that would be very awesome and something i might buy
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AAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! ASUS HAS DONE IT! This is the most amazing thing ever, hopefully it's not phantomware (it sure doesn't look like it!). Asus today unveiled the Transformer Book Trio, which runs full Windows 8 on the keyboard dock, and Android on the tablet itself. It actually has two entirely separate systems, but they switch seamlessly. Unfortunately it's not two systems on one processor, meaning if this comes to market, it's gonna cost a small fortune! Anyway, here's the link! :laugh:
I think the trio is the exact opposite of seamless in my opinion.
It is pretty much a windows laptop with a dock for an android tablet which then becomes the screen.
I couldn't work on that. Working on an office document, pull the screen off for some portability at some point, windows and my document are now gone. Thanks for that Asus. That particular scenario could be alleviated with Google docs or similar but there are others problems like it that wouldnt be so easily fixable.
In my opinion. If you want to put two operating systems on the same device then just frigging dual boot. Plenty of atom netbooks used to dual boot between windows 7 starter and android, sisters one does.
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Well, as excited as I am for this - I have to say, if the tablet is undocked, and wont run Windows 8, it is a deal breaker for me. If they made it so that I could dual boot Android / Windows 8 off the tablet, plus dock it into the keyboard for WIndows 8 + dedicated GPU, I would be sold, but to only run Android on the tablet is just plain stupid. Ill wait until I can have a true hybrid device that is not compromised. I feel that they are coming, they just need a bit more work by the OEM's
Well yes this stuff is coming but I honestly think being able to dual boot OS is a silly feature for a consumer release product, who wants to be switching operating system just to run [other] apps on another OS? If you want android and windows in one tablet use bluestacks, if that isn't good enough stop fooling around and either get one or the other or pick one that will allow you to configure dual boot yourself.
Samsung just announced their hybrid tablet!!! :laugh:
Samsung is the largest tablet vendor outside of Apple, so it's noteworthy to see what it brings on the Windows side. Ignoring the AIO/laptop varieties, Sammy's sole Windows tablet, the Ativ Tab 3, disappoints at $699 (w/ keyboard cover) and only a Z2760 Clovertrail instead of Bay Trail.
Unless Samsung has more announcements in store, I don't see a Haswell tablet (or even hybrid) model. In fact, there isn't a hybrid except for the Franken-Q slider, which isn't a mainstream model.
If these are all of Samsung's entries for Windows this year, it's a fairly anemic line-up.