Hello, I'm thinking of change my current phone (Xperia Z2). I'm using phone for music and photos mostly and sometimes for vr. Is Axon 7 a good choise for me?
It is perfect for VR and music. Plenty of battery! and pictures are excellent during the day, with optical and electronic image stabilization for perfect video capture. It also has a very convenient selfie camera (wider angle than usual). The only problem of the phone is the pictures in low light conditions. Sound is amazing. You have several custom roms to choose from and in less than 2 weeks it will have Android Nougat. Recently Google declared this phone Daydream certified.
i came over from the xperia z3. I enjoyed the axon 7 very much. The speakers continue the front facing trend for me but with the blast in quality and volume. The battery life is more of less the same as my z3 almost 1 and half day of moderate usage. The camera is quicker to focus then my z3. The screen is better in resolution and benefits of amoled and that's not to say z3 didn't have a good screen.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: This phone is a beast. The community will open up once ZTE fully allows development of this device. Honestly though? I like that there's only a few ROMs to choose from. Two for stock and one for CM (Now Lineage). Battery life is outstanding and quick charge is no joke. Everything about this phone screams high-end. The only thing holding this back is the camera and even then.. it's not that bad. You just need to learn how to use it a bit and you'll be fine. I, in a round about way, got this from selling my Galaxy S 6 and then buying the Axon 7 on swappa. I was really nervous about going with a ZTE product only because I've only seen HTC, Samsung (only recently), and Nexus devices as the /only/ devices to buy when it comes to Android. You won't be disappointed.
Do you think guys it's good idea to buy this phone from China?
Can you post some low light photos?
As a multimedia device, the Axon 7 is likely near the top of the pack. The speakers are great, the screen is high quality and punchy, and the design makes it comfortable to hold. If these are important to you, then the Axon 7 is a good choice.
The camera is okay. In well lit situations it can take good pictures. In poorly lit ones though, the results are poor. If a top notch camera is one of the most important factors for you, you may want to look at other devices.
The dev community is small, and the offerings are meager when compared to other devices. If homebrew and custom ROMs are your thing, you may want to look at a different device.
Battery life is largely okay. There are devices with better battery life, there are devices with worse battery life. Unless your needs are super specific, battery life shouldn't be a deciding factor with this device.
Performance is pretty great. The CPU/GPU combo shouldn't leave you wanting. It tends to underperform compared to similarly specced devices when it comes to benchmark tests, but these don't really reflect real world performance. If you want a device that's great for mobile gaming, the Axon 7 is a great pick.
VR is largely down to the Nougat update that brings Daydream compatibility. All signs point to it dropping soon, but it isn't here yet. If you need immediate VR sanctification, you may want to look elsewhere. If your comfortable waiting, the Axon 7 may end up working well. My usual caveat is this though: Buy a device based on what it can do today, not what it might do tomorrow.
For music it's great as it has decent DACs in it and front facing speakers that are fairly loud. It should do fine with VR and is 'Daydream Ready' per Google:https://vr.google.com/daydream/phones/
As for 'buy from China'. If that's where you live, sure, buy from there. If not you need to make sure whatever you're buying will have a warranty that is valid in your region. I'm in the US and purchased mine from B&H which has a nice deal on handset now: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1257205-REG/zte_a7g333_axon_7_64gb_smartphone.html
I previously owned a G4 which I had to sell due to the bootloop issues. Then I went on to Huawei Honor 8 (my current phone) which has the poorest official update, root, twrp, cROM support I've ever seen in my life.
My needs are: Good camera, good performance, decent battery life.
My questions are:
Does the G6 have good XDA support?
Does it have good custom ROMs?
How hard is unlocking,rooting,flashing twrp?
How hard is the unbricking process? (Asking this bcz despite all the ****s of my Honor 8, it had a good unbricking process which made taking risks easier)
Note: My budget is limited, the only other options within my budget are: Pixel, OP3t, S7 (all of which are very old).
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I previously owned a G4 which I had to sell due to the bootloop issues. Then I went on to Huawei Honor 8 (my current phone) which has the poorest official update, root, twrp, cROM support I've ever seen in my life.
My needs are: Good camera, good performance, decent battery life.
My questions are:
Does the G6 have good XDA support?
Does it have good custom ROMs?
How hard is unlocking,rooting,flashing twrp?
How hard is the unbricking process? (Asking this bcz despite all the ****s of my Honor 8, it had a good unbricking process which made taking risks easier)
Note: My budget is limited, the only other options within my budget are: Pixel, OP3t, S7 (all of which are very old).
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Well, G6 is the most underated phone of the last year, even this year can beat some called "high ends" but to answer your questions:
* Yes, the support for this phone is normal, not huge, not big but you have some development for this phone, some ROM's and Kernels.
* Already answered.
*You need to visit LG Bootloader Unlock page to see what variants of G6 can be unlock, not everyone can be so, be aware first.
*Unbrick is the same as previous models (G4, G5, V10, V20 etc) most needed is Uppercut or LG Bridge to solve the most common issues with this device, wich if you dont mess a lot then you wont have any problem.
You find all Answers in the Forum, when you already open your Eyes in the G6 Forum, LOL.
But for Customisation (root, unblock ...) its pretty hard, only less Variants of the G6 you can unblock and fill with a Custom Rom.
But the Phone itself has a good Battery and Performance
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Well, G6 is the most underated phone of the last year, even this year can beat some called "high ends" but to answer your questions:
* Yes, the support for this phone is normal, not huge, not big but you have some development for this phone, some ROM's and Kernels.
* Already answered.
*You need to visit LG Bootloader Unlock page to see what variants of G6 can be unlock, not everyone can be so, be aware first.
*Unbrick is the same as previous models (G4, G5, V10, V20 etc) most needed is Uppercut or LG Bridge to solve the most common issues with this device, wich if you dont mess a lot then you wont have any problem.
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Tnx for the answer. Which variant would you suggest me to get? In my experience, every phone has a variant that's more common and popular than the others.
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Tnx for the answer. Which variant would you suggest me to get? In my experience, every phone has a variant that's more common and popular than the others.
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i dont know what country you live but if you are from Europe you should get the H870 (not DS wich are Dual Sim, that model dont allow Bootloader Unlock). If you are from US you should buy a US997.
I dont know more variants who can be unlocked at the moment.
Dont opt for the G6. H870DS model has 64GB storage, quad DAC and wireless charging. Some models don't come with all these features. Instead, go for a Nokia or a Xiaomi smartphone instead. Nokia 7 Plus seems to be making a lot of ripples. Or wait for the Nokia X6 instead.
From personal experience, I can tell you this for a fact that LG G6 is a good phone with great performance capabilities, but in order to get that level of performance, you'll need to dive into all the options (gimmicks), like switching off the game battery saver and the LDB from the hidden service menu.
The company software support is a total zombie apocalypse!
Don't fall into the bandwagon, go through the benchmark scores of the phone enticing you and compare it with some competition to know better and make the right call.
It is a best value for money smartphone. You have just to compare its characteristics to others, in order to realize it. Its a flagship smartphone, built in with quality micro devices. Its price has fallen unpredictable and it's good time to buy it. LG service (in Europe) is excellent and immediate. I have tried it. I own a LG G6 (H870).
The dev support for this phone exists, but is very very minimal, since only two versions of this phone are bootloader unlockable.
Custom ROMs are available also, but any AOSP rom isn't going to be able to use the stock camera capabilities. This is a problem with most LG phones I believe, and was the same on my G3.
I'm using stock because the custom roms I've seen aren't 100% functional. Also you're not going to have many apps to customize stock like we did with G3 Tweaksbox for example.
For my US997, Unlock and Root was very straightforward, similar to my Nexus 6P, except you have to get an unlock file from LG's website. (as others have said, you must buy the correct model G6)
I bought this phone because it's a quality phone with a great camera, can root, unlock bootloader, headphone jack, perfect size and has an SD card slot which was important to me. But coming from the Nexus 6P and even the G3 before that, the lack of dev support for this phone is very frustrating.
This phone's stock roms won't let you encrypt data while it's rooted, which means if I lose my phone, anyone who knows how to boot into TWRP can access all of my data.
Because we don't have apps like G3 Tweaksbox or anything similar, you can't do basic stuff like disable the loud volume warning with your headphones on. (This is possible btw, but without a guide idk how to do it)
Overall I'm happy with this phone but if I broke it or lost it right now, I'm not sure I'd buy another one.
I love my G6, H870, rooted and xposed. I can change all I want using Gravity box for Oreo, that is listed as not compatible but it works good. Only thing I miss is dev support...
But....
If I have to buy a phone today looking for tomorrow...
I'll choose xiaomi and 845 chipset.... And treble support... Like a mi mix 2s, or if I can't afford it, a mix 2, about 300 euro..
Just my opinion
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I love my G6, H870, rooted and xposed. I can change all I want using Gravity box for Oreo, that is listed as not compatible but it works good. Only thing I miss is dev support...
But....
If I have to buy a phone today looking for tomorrow...
I'll choose xiaomi and 845 chipset.... And treble support... Like a mi mix 2s, or if I can't afford it, a mix 2, about 300 euro..
Just my opinion
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Siggey, do you have a recommendation for a phone that works on all 4 carriers (G6 US997 doesn't support Sprint calling), has memory slot and can be rooted with some dev support
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Siggey, do you have a recommendation for a phone that works on all 4 carriers (G6 US997 doesn't support Sprint calling), has memory slot and can be rooted with some dev support
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with Sprint you have to have an approved IMEI in order to pair the phone with the SIM ICCID and MIN...so even though the Mi Mix 2 should support Sprint, Sprint won’t allow you to use it unless they whitelist it in the store...which is tough to get I hear. Sprint is different from Verizon...Verizon doesn’t block unapproved phones (except during SIM activation) but Sprint in effect does so.
But I'm in europe and I don't know anything about the usa carriers, so I'm sorry I can't help you.
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with Sprint you have to have an approved IMEI in order to pair the phone with the SIM ICCID and MIN...so even though the Mi Mix 2 should support Sprint, Sprint won’t allow you to use it unless they whitelist it in the store...which is tough to get I hear. Sprint is different from Verizon...Verizon doesn’t block unapproved phones (except during SIM activation) but Sprint in effect does so.
But I'm in europe and I don't know anything about the usa carriers, so I'm sorry I can't help you.
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That all makes sense. Thank you for your reply.
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My needs are: Good camera, good performance, decent battery life.
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Does the G6 have a good camera? Sort of. Front-facing camera is a little bit disappointing, but it's not an issue if you don't take selfies. The two cameras at the back are alright, but you're gonna have to use a custom build of GCam for better results.
Good performance? Overall, yeah. Not much I can say here. The built-in gaming settings allow you to change the resolution of games to favor either performance or graphics, if that's your cup of tea.
In terms of battery life, I can get 4-5 hours SoT using instagram a lot and LTE for the majority of the day with music playing in the background. Good enough for me.
Those other options you said you could afford are probably better, though.
I wouldn't recommend it really. LG's quality control is terrible (the fingerprint scanner keeps failing), and their software is always nearly a year late and pretty unstable, aesthetically not to my taste, and doesn't fully support substratum.
Performance, especially in graphics, seems far weaker and unreliable in real world usage than other flagships that have the same chipset. For example, the Google Pixel 2016 can run real racing 3 at default graphics reasonably fluently. G6 on the other hand is almost unplayable at default settings, even at 1080p resolution.
The display however is gorgeous. Blacks look like from an Amoled display, it's reasonably bright and quite saturated. I just wish it was 1080p by design, for performance, brightness and battery gains. I don't notice a drop in visual quality when I use the adb command to change it to 1080p, and that's taking pixel interpolation into account. 1440p is really not necessary, and VR doesn't count because the IPS LCD technology introduces high motion blur in a VR situation compared to amoled.
I continue to love the design of the phone as well, and it's super tough. Drop onto concrete from shoulder height unprotected (oops) gave it no more than a scuff or two. Personally I would have made the top bezel as wide as the bottom bezel but whatever. Just means that 16:9 games and videos are offset to the side which is distracting for me.
TLDR: Don't let that screen to body ratio lure you in. It makes no difference. There are better options for the price these days.
MDW 100 said:
I wouldn't recommend it really. LG's quality control is terrible (the fingerprint scanner keeps failing), and their software is always nearly a year late and pretty unstable, aesthetically not to my taste, and doesn't fully support substratum.
Performance, especially in graphics, seems far weaker and unreliable in real world usage than other flagships that have the same chipset. For example, the Google Pixel 2016 can run real racing 3 at default graphics reasonably fluently. G6 on the other hand is almost unplayable at default settings, even at 1080p resolution.
The display however is gorgeous. Blacks look like from an Amoled display, it's reasonably bright and quite saturated. I just wish it was 1080p by design, for performance, brightness and battery gains. I don't notice a drop in visual quality when I use the adb command to change it to 1080p, and that's taking pixel interpolation into account. 1440p is really not necessary, and VR doesn't count because the IPS LCD technology introduces high motion blur in a VR situation compared to amoled.
I continue to love the design of the phone as well, and it's super tough. Drop onto concrete from shoulder height unprotected (oops) gave it no more than a scuff or two. Personally I would have made the top bezel as wide as the bottom bezel but whatever. Just means that 16:9 games and videos are offset to the side which is distracting for me.
TLDR: Don't let that screen to body ratio lure you in. It makes no difference. There are better options for the price these days.
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If buying used (in very good condition), would you still say it is mediocre value for money? Assuming it is at least 25-35% cheaper than retail. And I would be coming from a G2 (running 7.1.2 and running it well).
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If buying used (in very good condition), would you still say it is mediocre value for money? Assuming it is at least 25-35% cheaper than retail. And I would be coming from a G2 (running 7.1.2 and running it well).
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My opinion of the phone has improved slightly since I wrote this, a factory reset improved its performance and fluidity a fair bit. Personally, right now I would get a Xiaomi mi A2 for $250 which is about how much you can get a used G6 for, just due to that clean software. However, the G6 is not bad for that price. Just make sure you factory reset it after installing all the available updates including oreo. And be prepared for graphics performance significantly weaker than other 821 phones, don't know why.
If you intend on playing anything that's more graphically-intense than Minecraft, I suggest you steer away from this phone. Game performance is so sloppy that Cytus II - a 2D game, mind you - can't even run at full speed.
Selfie camera makes you look like a painting. Back cameras are decent from my experience.
Battery life is alright, but you're gonna have to do a lot of weird stuff to make it last a day. Also, my iPhone 5s, which I had laying around since it was released in 2013, can last longer on standby, which says a lot.
In terms of custom rom support, I can't tell you a thing because my variant can't be bootloader unlocked.
I do not recommend this phone. Having had this phone for a year now, I have legitimate grounds to give my opinion on it. Get anything else.
TL;DR: Phone can't play graphically-intense games. Selfie camera sucks. Battery sucks. Don't buy.
Cameras suck? Tell me yer kidding plz...
MAIN CAMERA Dual 13 MP, f/1.8, 30mm, 1/3", 1.12µm, 3-axis OIS, PDAF
13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm, no AF
Features Dual-LED flash, HDR, panorama
Video [email protected], [email protected]/60fps, HDR, 24-bit/192kHz stereo sound rec.
SELFIE CAMERA Single 5 MP, f/2.2, 18mm
Video [email protected]
The rear has dual cameras, one of them being wide angle 12mm. That's so wide it has a slight fish eye effect. The single front camera is wide angle 18mm, very wide for a front camera. They both take great shots, especially with the GCam ports.
Both cameras on the rear are flat, there is no camera 'bump'. Read any of the original reviews, they rave about the cameras. Shocking to see negative comments about the cameras. For the money, especially today prices, probably one of the best camera setups available.
AsItLies said:
Cameras suck? Tell me yer kidding plz...
MAIN CAMERA Dual 13 MP, f/1.8, 30mm, 1/3", 1.12µm, 3-axis OIS, PDAF
13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm, no AF
Features Dual-LED flash, HDR, panorama
Video [email protected], [email protected]/60fps, HDR, 24-bit/192kHz stereo sound rec.
SELFIE CAMERA Single 5 MP, f/2.2, 18mm
Video [email protected]
The rear has dual cameras, one of them being wide angle 12mm. That's so wide it has a slight fish eye effect. The single front camera is wide angle 18mm, very wide for a front camera. They both take great shots, especially with the GCam ports.
Both cameras on the rear are flat, there is no camera 'bump'. Read any of the original reviews, they rave about the cameras. Shocking to see negative comments about the cameras. For the money, especially today prices, probably one of the best camera setups available.
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Who said the cameras suck? They're awesome!
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I am not kidding. I never was, never will be. You can have your opinion, and I'll have mine. Was something lost in translation? If it's me you're referring to, I only said the selfie camera sucks. In my post I said, "The back cameras are decent from my experience."
The selfie camera is not good. At least mine isn't. I don't know if there are any differences between models in different countries. Even in the best of lighting, it still pales in comparison to the G4, which I had before this device.
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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arsenal74 said:
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
Darkat70 said:
Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
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Totally agree, it's a guessing game with the latest Huawei devices. Their EMUI is improved but it's still buggy especially with regards to background apps. Additionally, even though there's plenty of concerns with what Google's doing with your data, those concerns are minor compared to Huawei. I don't want my data in China's hands. It's common knowledge the Chinese government is deeply involved with piracy and hacking worldwide and there are legitimate issues with Huawei's ability to keep it's/your data out of their reach. Yes, Huawei has stated on numerous occasions they never share data with the Chinese Government but I'm far from convinced.
The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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For Now they do, until Huawei decide they can't be bothered. And theres also the problem with delayed updates.
Like Optus took 5 months after the release to push out the first update for the Mate 20Pro, i spoke with Optus and Huawei, both blamed each other for the delay, when really it was Huawei whom did not release the firmware to Optus.
Interesting you write this, as I upgraded to a S10+ but still use my mate pro 10 for camera work as it's better quality in my opinion, and the battery life on a 2 1/2 year phone is better than my S10+.
There are things that I am enjoying about this phone but it was certainly a shorter than expected honeymoon period with it
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I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
*
Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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I know this is quite old but i dont think i have idle drain on s10+ exynos but i read many had it in the past. It must have been fixed before august 2020 when i bought the phone.
Its quite funny about the camera because i am usually annoyed that s10+ actually doesnt wanna go below 1/50 and increases ISO instead. For example in metro i end up with a shot 1/50 ISO 640 where as it could have been idk 1/20 ISO 200. So they never come out blurry for me because phone prefers fast shutter speed(though a bit soft cuz high ISO). You kinda made me apperciate faster shutter more now . I guess it was updated after you got rid of your phone?
Battery is pretty good imo. Its really good unless im gaming(dead by daylight, very heavy). Then its about 3-3.5hours which is fine i suppose.
About the smudged images.. That was one of the things i was scared most when buying this phone. But after using it for months, (even in the first days) smudge didnt bother me as much as i thought it would. Photos always look amazing overall, white balance, exposure, HDR does a good job. And detail is good enough as well. But side by side im sure p30 would be slightly more detailed. (Though p30 is 10MP so maybe they would be equal?)
When i was shopping for s10+ the biggest contender was p30 for me, it was 1/3 cheaper and 3x optical zoom but what put me off was the colors that came out from the sensors.. In anandtechs review p30 series had serious white balance/color issues and i was really put off by that. And the reason they said was the red blue yellow sensor which gathers more light but has trouble with colors since yellow isnt a main color. Maybe it might have been fixed by now? But i couldnt take the risk of whether it could or would be fixed since it does look like hardware limitation.
About wifi, i do have some wifi related problems, sometimes i have to restart apps for wifi to work for them.
And s10+ uses high gamma at minimum brightness which causes black clipping. It can be fixed for youtube app but if you play a dark game like dead by daylight at min brightness, you will have a lot of trouble on s10+.
Tbh i should have bought mi10 for myself haha. s10+ is a good phone for sure but like you said every phone has its advantages and disadvantages. And i apparently didnt know what i really should have been paying attention to. I was really focused on camera but to be real all flagships have great camera, i obsessed over it for no reason. Mi10 has way better performance and it has a gamma slider and its manual brightness is much higher. (I did a hdr bug on s10+ which allows screen to go much brighter but works only on android 10 so i cant update if i want to keep using it.. also s10+ dims when gaming after it heats up but think mi10 doesnt? Which would make gaming in front of a bright window better but at least 700 nits whenever i want is really good)
Okay i did go off topic a bit sorry. Anyways have a great day xD