See here:
https://plus.google.com/107679240815941684447/posts/SRbzCoSW9JX
More:
https://twitter.com/RDR0b11/status/605828513220816896
For the ones who are lazy in reading comments, this is the reason that this guy gives for the delay:
"Verizon delays on latest smartphones are due to Nationwide HD Voice. We want to make sure Software updates for HD Voice service is acceptable and does not impact voice quality. Verizon is the only company that has nationwide HD Voice in the USA. AT&T just has most metro cities here and there. T-Mobile and Sprint are way behind"
:good:
P.D. Maybe now is the time for the Maxx's users to complain about not getting 5.1 as well as the Turbo.
Doesn't the iPhone 6 have HD Voice already? I wonder why they didn't need to delay its release by months so they can test it.
Slartibartfast_ said:
Doesn't the iPhone 6 have HD Voice already? I wonder why they didn't need to delay its release by months so they can test it.
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From the same guy:
AC 1.0 is not just network related. The unique situation Verizon finds itself is having its original CDMA voice network.. Hard for us to dance around between LTE and CDMA to support VoLTE due to best signal strength in different environments. So with each device update, there is usually a few Qualcomm patches to improve that transition and try to cover all possible calling scenarios our customers may face in our network. And also supporting XLTE new bands. Some device updates turn on a new LTE band on a phone that might have been dormant in an earlier software build.
And Qualcomm is not perfect, so some times when they improve on thing, they break another. So my job and many others in Verizon is to double check all software changes our devices take in... Hence the delay
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Mid Jun is 25 days away! Start your counters
Saw this, and was just about to post it, but you beat me to the punch!
I'm glad that its coming soon and that Verizon is finally communicating with us.
Sent from my soon-to-have-5.1 XT1254
Edit: I attached a an imgur link of the photo that Jose Arturo posted of the XT1254 running 5.1
http://i.imgur.com/TvVGuiY.jpg
jake7405 said:
Saw this, and was just about to post it, but you beat me to the punch!
I'm glad that its coming soon and that Verizon is finally communicating with us.
Sent from my soon-to-have-5.1 XT1254
Edit: I attached a an imgur link of the photo that Jose Arturo posted of the XT1254 running 5.1
http://i.imgur.com/TvVGuiY.jpg
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Huh looks like Kit Kat in the status bar. If that's the case, I'll stay on 4.4.4
i like that guy, its better explaining this than staying in the dark:
J.A. Post on Google+ said:
is not just network related. The unique situation Verizon finds itself is having its original CDMA voice network.. Hard for us to dance around between LTE and CDMA to support VoLTE due to best signal strength in different environments. So with each device update, there is usually a few Qualcomm patches to improve that transition and try to cover all possible calling scenarios our customers may face in our network. And also supporting XLTE new bands. Some device updates turn on a new LTE band on a phone that might have been dormant in an earlier software build.
And Qualcomm is not perfect, so some times when they improve on thing, they break another. So my job and many others in Verizon is to double check all software changes our devices take in... Hence the delay
Motorola is small potatoes on budget compared to Samsung and Apple. Delays are usually due to funding for test verifications on new device software.
Jeeze, I should just shut up... Bye everyone
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hmmmm. choices.............. Stay on root, or take the update........................
OR wait for rooted update!!!!
Patience........... patience...............
Or take the OTA, then root again.
Yeah he is right take update and then root. King root can root up to 5.1.1
wadamean said:
Yeah he is right take update and then root. King root can root up to 5.1.1
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Can Kingroot root the Droid Turbo? And if so, does it disable write protection?
Yes to the first and no to the second, there is a thread on it on the first page with lots of info.
Cases
Thank you very much, I could not find quality phone cases for our
JulesJam said:
Can Kingroot root the Droid Turbo? And if so, does it disable write protection?
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Guess I need to check out kingroot thread again - it didn't seem to be as baked as the current system / images root method.
Jaocagomez said:
Mid Jun is 25 days away! Start your counters
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Take "mid-June" with a grain of salt.
All that means is it probably won't come BEFORE then.
Note the Google + post has been deleted which was referenced in the op. So, actually there is no date promise anymore...
Yeah, there's a lot of built up anger towards Motorola and Verizon (should be directed towards Verizon), so any engineers/spokespeople who publicly post even good news at this point will get lots of backlash for broken promises, lack of past communication -- and rightly so. They need to learn from this instead of running away from it.
Technogen said:
Yes to the first and no to the second, there is a thread on it on the first page with lots of info.
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Got a link to the thread? Can't seem to find it.
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Got a link to the thread? Can't seem to find it.
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"Sorry followers... I got in trouble for Turbo announcement... Need to keep my mouth shut from now on... Enjoy Verizon services and our great devices. "
Nexus 6 is near identical internals.
VoLTE works fine sans camera and I'm certain that is software related.
So I'd take the VoLTE cause for the hold up with a grain of salt too. Especially since Verizon was so willing to ship it last year when it was clearly broken and would have shown in testing.
Galaxo60 said:
"Sorry followers... I got in trouble for Turbo announcement... Need to keep my mouth shut from now on... Enjoy Verizon services and our great devices. "
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I was asking about the Kingroot for Droid Turbo.
Related
Nice review.
http://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_threadhttp://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_thread
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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same could be said about the iphone
smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a pretty solid review, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
Of course, you've also got your obligatory AT&T services--AT&T Navigator, AT&T FamilyMap, and AT&T U-Verse Live TV--on there, but for once, you can actually uninstall any of these apps if you wish.
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but Engadget disagrees:
We're a little disappointed by the fact that Motorola and AT&T are loading up the Atrix with a considerable amount of bloatware, and there's nothing you can really do about it. Vlingo, a handful of AT&T apps, Blockbuster, and a smattering of other programs all ship on the handset with no option to delete them.
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Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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Huh.
again, AT&T hasn't finished the backhaul necessary. Also, I always get lower speed tests with the Speedtest.net app than I do with XtremeLabs app. When I get my phone, I'll test the speeds, should be about 2200-3500 in Stl. if it's like the N1. That's WITHOUT the '4G'
They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Huh.
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check the article again, there's an update.
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One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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I've heard that 4G services will be launching in the coming months on AT&T.
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
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I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.
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They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.
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They are testing in New York. AT&T in New York sucks. This is not news. It will probably be much better as long as you don't live there.
kennethpenn said:
I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.
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He did update the review with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.
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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.
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On the droid x I have I could only uninstall updates, not delete it (without root). Motorola has a deal with Blockbuster, so they put it on all their phones.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if z4root worked right out of the box. It's already designed to work on Motorola phones running 2.2.1, so it probably will work for this too. Once that's done, TiBu will remove everything extra anyway.
On the battery side, the Atrix 4G packs an impressive 1930mAh battery inside, and even though Android is data intensive, we found ourselves squeezing more than 24 hours out of the device on a single charge with fairly heavy use. You can probably get more time out of the device if you avoid calls when possible and keep your brightness settings in check, but we were pleasantly surprised by the performance we saw.
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This is excellent news!
The battery was the one thing I was really concerned about. I am very pleased to see this working so well. Maybe there is hope for the Atrix after all...
Oh and on a side note:
That camera looks awful!
Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.
No comment on the gps? That's like my main concern now since my captivate has a pretty crappy gps lol
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Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.
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You ok man?
lol, yeah, don't hold back or anything. This phone is sounding like a winner to me assuming it can be properly rooted and custom roms installed. I never had an interest in the docks anyways so the overall beatings they are taking in the reviews isn't a concern to me. Like engadget I love the concept but the laptop dock cannot replace a laptop as is making it a third wheel for me.
Well, all I wanted to see in that review was info on the bootloader, and... it's locked... Not really a surprise, but hey, I was holding onto hope. The fact that this phone won't be getting much dev support, and because it's all plastic, means I'll be crossing it off my list... My perfect Android device, has yet to surface.
doesn't the Droid X have custom roms? If so, couldn't there be custom ROMs on this phone as well?
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im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?
sdlopez83 said:
im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?
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I am willing to bet that custom roms will start rolling out after about a month. I don't understand what the big deal is with bootloader, with it unlocked, we might see roms a few weeks sooner, but either way it will get done. I know it will get rooted within a week, that is a fact. Once it's rooted, feel free to ASOPify the phone however you like...
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If the build date of the leaks wasn't enough proof that Motorola is very busy working on Kit Kat, let this be further proof:
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-get-android-44-kitkat-matter-weeks
Needless to say, I am impressed.
I hope so, im in pain seeing users here from AT&T enjoying their 4.4.
And then Verizon "tests" it for next 9 months.
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I hope so, im in pain seeing users here from AT&T enjoying their 4.4.
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I'm talking more on Motorola's end. This is quite admirable what they're doing.
Obviously, the carriers will **** around like they always do. But that's not Motorola's fault really.
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I'm talking more on Motorola's end. This is quite admirable what they're doing.
Obviously, the carriers will **** around like they always do. But that's not Motorola's fault really.
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I never understood why the carriers didn't have an opt-in program to get updates ASAP that essentially cut off your customer service if you opted in. Here, you can do it, but no, we won't help you. Its a flag on your account, so anywhere you go they'll see it and know not to help you. Their point is that they don't want to help people on 'untested' updates... fine then, don't help them. But this would be a HUGE PR boon for whatever carrier does it.
This is good news! Hopefully Verizon won't be too far behind. Maybe a couple weeks like the camera update.
Verizon soak test emails are being sent out
Yup I can confirm i just got an email for the vzw soak test
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seanrobot said:
Yup I can confirm i just got an email for the vzw soak test
Sent from my XT1060 using Tapatalk
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Accidental thanks Dumb question ahead, but whats a soak test?
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Accidental thanks Dumb question ahead, but whats a soak test?
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It's basically an opt-in staged roll out. If you register, you have the ability to be the first to receive an update... so there's a sizeable pool for motorola to determine if there are any major bugs before giving it to the masses. Typically, these things happen and everyone else gets the update about a week later.
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Accidental thanks Dumb question ahead, but whats a soak test?
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A soak test is where a group of people are chosen to do a sort of private beta test on the firmware, to make sure things don't assplode or catch fire before the software is rolled out to everyone.
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It's basically an opt-in staged roll out. If you register, you have the ability to be the first to receive an update... so there's a sizeable pool for motorola to determine if there are any major bugs before giving it to the masses. Typically, these things happen and everyone else gets the update about a week later.
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A soak test is where a group of people are chosen to do a sort of private beta test on the firmware, to make sure things don't assplode or catch fire before the software is rolled out to everyone.
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I see! Funny name though
xpc21 said:
A soak test is where a group of people are chosen to do a sort of private beta test on the firmware, to make sure things don't assplode or catch fire before the software is rolled out to everyone.
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such original wording!
http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-moto-x-soak-test-invites-going-out-again
Hadn't registered my X for MFN since i just got it Friday. I went in now and registered. We'll see if I get an invite
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Hadn't registered my X for MFN since i just got it Friday. I went in now and registered. We'll see if I get an invite
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What's MFN?
br0nx finest said:
What's MFN?
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It is mototora forum page.
br0nx finest said:
What's MFN?
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Motorola feedback network.
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/77d4221775
You need to do it if you want to have a chance at being invited for soak.
Verizon guys are already getting soak tests and us Dev Edition owners have nothing. Weird.
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I never understood why the carriers didn't have an opt-in program to get updates ASAP that essentially cut off your customer service if you opted in. Here, you can do it, but no, we won't help you. Its a flag on your account, so anywhere you go they'll see it and know not to help you. Their point is that they don't want to help people on 'untested' updates... fine then, don't help them. But this would be a HUGE PR boon for whatever carrier does it.
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It's probably because to most people updates are not something they think about. The people that unsupported updates would appeal to are probably very small and at least to the carriers probably seems more complicated to have more programs rather than less.
The other concern of theirs isn't support. It's about their network. Verizon is really strict about how their network can be used and that's a big part of the reason that ATT got the iPhone for years before verizon. They want absolute control over how the network is used probably due to a fear of a small number of devices clogging up bandwidth.
The funny thing is in spite of the rules bootloaders get unlocked. Phones get rooted. ROMs get flashed and it doesn't seem to cause many apparent problems.
Edit: and I'll just add that most carrier support is clueless anyway - most answers are
-reset your phone
-delete all of your apps.
-do something you already tried.
I hope 4.4 kit kat won't affect Moto X's good battery life.
I was talking to live chat with Motorola support and managed to get connected to an employee who seemed to not care that the chat session was monitored.
I was asking about general stuff related to my battery and the Turbo. Towards the end of the chat I figured this guy might have some kind of idea whats going on in the company that he works for. So I asked about the release date for 5.0.
He answered very enthusiastically and hinted that Motorola is ready to release the update and that the only thing next on their list is to select an official Advert with Verizon. From the sound of it - we will not be experiencing the usual delay that Verizon has created for updates. Expect Lollipop on your Droid Turbo by December 1st.
Me personally. I'm waiting for root and boot unlock. But for all of you happy with Lollipop the wait is not too long.
Lets see if this all plays true come December 1st.
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I was talking to live chat with Motorola support and managed to get connected to an employee who seemed to not care that the chat session was monitored.
I was asking about general stuff related to my battery and the Turbo. Towards the end of the chat I figured this guy might have some kind of idea whats going on in the company that he works for. So I asked about the release date for 5.0.
He answered very enthusiastically and hinted that Motorola is ready to release the update and that the only thing next on their list is to select an official Advert with Verizon. From the sound of it - we will not be experiencing the usual delay that Verizon has created for updates. Expect Lollipop on your Droid Turbo by December 1st.
Me personally. I'm waiting for root and boot unlock. But for all of you happy with Lollipop the wait is not too long.
Lets see if this all plays true come December 1st.
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Thanks for the heads up. I thought it would be fast but not that fast. I figured they pretty much wanted it to run 5.0 very soon after launch.
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Thanks for the heads up. I thought it would be fast but not that fast. I figured they pretty much wanted it to run 5.0 very soon after launch.
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It looks like Motorola wont be putting too much effort into rolling out updates for kitkat, instead it appears all the fixes and issues will be done through lollipop. Its all just perspective. Ive been told things like this before...
ccheww said:
It looks like Motorola wont be putting too much effort into rolling out updates for kitkat, instead it appears all the fixes and issues will be done through lollipop. Its all just perspective. Ive been told things like this before...
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I was hoping the very few minimal complaints I have with this phone will be fixed in lollipop. Camera for example. That lag!
Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!
mattlach said:
Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!
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That's on Verizon lol it is so irritating though. I'm trying to remain optimistic because I really like the phone. People keep bashing it comparing it to rooted phones that have been debloated, greenified and tweaked.
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Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!
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Could not agree more
Actually, I wouldnt update to lollipop for a while anyhow in hopes of holding out for roooooot
How many phones have not been rooted? In my personal experience every phone I've ever owned has eventually gotten root.
G1 (HTC dream)
HTC mytouch slide
Thunderbolt
Galaxy s4
I know there's probably a bunch of phones that haven't been rooted but are there any phones with high demand for root that have not been rooted?
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OTA's are rolled out by carriers not OEM's so I take this news as a grain of salt. If it was a Verizon Rep then I would be souped.
Maybe going to Lollipop can help with root? http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-9-root-chainfire-564138/
I know it has different specs, but just maybe...
STEV307204 said:
OTA's are rolled out by carriers not OEM's so I take this news as a grain of salt. If it was a Verizon Rep then I would be souped.
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I feel the same way. Verizon is the ultimate decision maker which is why it makes sense that the Motorola rep said "waiting on Verizon to pick an advertisement" advertisements announce dates... So on so forth. Even if I have to wait it's okay because
I've got all. the. time. in. the. woorlddd. Don't you want some of ittt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I1tEfPbC9c
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It would make sense for volte to be part of L. Why send two turbo otas when you can send one. But no one asks my opinion.
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Maybe going to Lollipop can help with root? http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-9-root-chainfire-564138/
I know it has different specs, but just maybe...
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Oh hey @my2cents…look at us both over here from the spyder threads haha.
From what I've heard, root will be nearly impossible without unlocked bootloader on lollipop. Sadly, I'm not getting my hopes up for Turbo root on 5.0 unless we get bootloaders unlocked...again, seems unlikely
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Just read this so maybe we won't get lollipop by dec 1.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/android-lollipop-rollout-may-delayed-due-battery-bug.html
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Just read this so maybe we won't get lollipop by dec 1.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/android-lollipop-rollout-may-delayed-due-battery-bug.html
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they fixed it already
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...ght-be-on-hold-because-of-a-serious-wifi-bug/
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It would make sense for volte to be part of L. Why send two turbo otas when you can send one. But no one asks my opinion.
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That's what they're supposed to do.
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Oh hey @my2cents…look at us both over here from the spyder threads haha.
From what I've heard, root will be nearly impossible without unlocked bootloader on lollipop. Sadly, I'm not getting my hopes up for Turbo root on 5.0 unless we get bootloaders unlocked...again, seems unlikely
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Yeah, with JCase saying that Sunshine V3.0 can't support Motorola on 4.4.4, and the secure kernel crap that will block root on Lollipop, I think this phone will stay stock unless a Chinese middleman pops up again or something.
Guys just realize you can kiss any hope of an unlock and root exploit goodbye if you update. It's going to suck; either choose unlock or 5.0
I pretty much left root behind when I got the Turbo. Moved to the share plan so I don't need the hotspot hack. I used TiBu a lot moving from phone to phone and ROM to ROM but I really didn't have much data that I had to have. Mostly when I was listening to back catalogs of Podcasts I would want to restore the app I was using so it kept my place. Now I have moved on to something different. And I did lose some game data but it was stupid stuff like Temple Run and Monsters Ate My Condo, nothing like an RPG or something. And really thats what root did for me. I am ready for 5.0.
I also think that the 5.0 update will have VoLTE. Maybe they got Google to roll it into 5.0 so instead of hitting each device individually with a VoLTE update, if they get 5.0 they will also get VoLTE (and it brings the Nexus 6 on VoLTE faster as well).
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Guys just realize you can kiss any hope of an unlock and root exploit goodbye if you update. It's going to suck; either choose unlock or 5.0
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What are you basing this on?
rlb81 said:
What are you basing this on?
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Chainfires detailed post on how root will more than likely (read; definitely) going to need a custom kernel to work. Kernel flashes need an unlocked bootloader. 5.0 comes with even more selinux restrictions which make any kind of exploitation harder. All in all, 5.0 is way more locked down and harder to unlock. Simply getting a root exploit without unlock is not likely
Here is a download for the 5.0.2 soak test from Motorola for XT1053 devices. I have not tried this yet, I received this from a friend who reported it successfully working on his device.
I do not take responsibility if this file bricks, destroys, or sets fire to your phone. Use this at your own risk. I have not tested this file, therefore I cannot confirm that it works.
If you do venture to try this, please report back.
[Someone has already posted this on the other thread, removed]
[MOD EDIT:]SHAME SHAME SHAME. Signing an NDA means you're agreeing to not share details of the special program you are in.
This has been removed at the request of Motorola due to your negligence in violating the terms of your agreement.
[DARKTERMIT EDIT:]I'm not signed NDA
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i smell this
habusho said:
i smell this
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It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
Bigluc said:
It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
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Nothing good will come out of this, please remove it. The ones installing this will likely have issues further updating.
Just wait a few more days (after 4 months a few days seem like nothing).
alexferdean said:
Nothing good will come out of this, please remove it. The ones installing this will likely have issues further updating.
Just wait a few more days (after 4 months a few days seem like nothing).
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how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
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how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
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The OTA updates, including soak/beta or whatever you want to call pre-release received via the Moto Feedback Network, and those pushed by the carriers, have pre-flash validation checks in them.
They check for certain things in build.prop, particular files (and checks their hash/check sum), etc. IF your phone doesn't match, the OTA wont install. In addition, with the OTA's and these leaked ZIPs including updates to GPT.BIN and the bootloader, and history showing how easy it is to brick trying to downgrade when those are involved, that could complicate trying to get back on track should Moto or the Carriers push something else out.
A while back, I think it was the Droid X, there were leaked updates, people were flashing them, they were not meant to be released and the people who installed them got STUCK unable to update for a while. It was a while ago, so my memory is fuzzy, but a process was finally found, but it took a while, and a few updates, to bring those people back in line. And it was a little more difficult due to locked bootloaders.
So practicing a little caution is a good thing.
Bigluc said:
It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
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Nice way to justify leaking stolen software. Always amusing to see wanna-be devs pirating someone else's work and somehow justifying it to themselves.
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
Can you post a link to the new post with the file?
s5610 said:
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
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Quickly is not the right word when it has being months of LP being out.
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quickly is not the right word when it has being months of LP being out.
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I'm with Motorola on this one.
You should see s4 after lollipop update.
The battery gives Hardly 1 hour of screen time.
It has rendered the phone unusable.
At least we are getting a reasonably stable update.
Also getting features from new flagship.
Who does that
DrDecoy said:
how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
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Besides other things the bootloader gets updated. It's not so easy to go back to 4.4.4.
s5610 said:
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
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Actaully, based on history with the 2013 X...
That doesn't always work right. i.e. When it was found that 4.4.2 broke MotoWpNoMo and SlapMyMoto, some tried upgrading by flashing only PARTS of the 4.4.2 rom (so they could roll back).. They ran into features not working, like App Drawer -> Settings -> Security.
We've seen other issues arise when partially flashing too, but they were a while back so my memory is a little fuzzy on the specific details.
I flashed it days ago.... My phone is fine
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I flashed it days ago.... My phone is fine
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Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
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I'm on T-Mobile with the xt1053 and no I do not have the LTE signal BUT I do have LTE when looking in phone settings... I've heard everyone saying the same thing
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I'm on T-Mobile with the xt1053 and no I do not have the LTE signal BUT I do have LTE when looking in phone settings... I've heard everyone saying the same thing
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Yeah same here, I wonder if moto remove the LTE on lollipop but since is just a soak test it not yet implemented , thanks
So are you thinking that after the soak test we will get another update?
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My nexus 5 has it don't know why they wouldn't have it in the moto..I guess it really doesn't bother me as much as not having 5.0
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
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I have TMo and the XT1053 and I'm only showing 4G but with LTE speeds. I saw a screenshot on here of someone with what appears to be a special T-Mobile build of the Lollipop soak test with LTE in the signal bars though.
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I have TMo and the XT1053 and I'm only showing 4G but with LTE speeds. I saw a screenshot on here of someone with what appears to be a special T-Mobile build of the Lollipop soak test with LTE in the signal bars though.
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Probably the actual update and not the first soak test that went live a week ago...
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Man I hate the day lenovo bought motorola, it just felt updates were not gonna be the same.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
Sparksys said:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
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end of the line for updates. but i love my xt1254, 2 years old and smokes most newer phones. out performs almost everything i think pff and at 21mp i can record much better amature porn lol
How much time this soak test will take?
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
Which would really be an insult. We (VZ) can't give you OS and security updates but we darn well try to be sure you don't update your phone yourself.
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We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
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y8s said:
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Very subtle /sarcasm
I am rather counting on it. I have RR 6.0.1 and love it. It is fast, stable and has cool features. However the official build with VoLTE would have merit. I am sure it is just a matter of time.
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hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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y8s said:
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
limit the time that you agree to keep phones bootloader locked. and always, always, always give the 1% of the 1% of users the option to buy a dev edition.
back to the point, it would cost them more money to write that into the update for the sake of us 1%ers, so i dont see it happening.
time will tell if the turbo is another a855; that phone people cling to for 2-3 years realizing upgrading isnt that necessary. I'm ready for a new one. but i refuse to buy another non- bootloader unlockable phone EVER. and nothing at all is really impressive at this point. the Axon 7 is awesome. and a maybe. but moto lost it. if they made a 2016 MXPE with an sd 820 better battery and wireless charging and all carriers radios, id pay $600 in a heartbeat. but what do 1%ers know? lol.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
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They don't give a crap about warranty claims...it's always been about control for Verizon. Used to, it was down to them not wanting people to tether and take advantage of their high/unlimited data caps...since that's been built into Android for several versions now, I'm not sure what their rationale for disallowing unlocks is. Probably to prevent what we're doing; upgrading the software on our more-than-adequate hardware.
They'd rather you lock yourself into a contract and buy one of their new phones, after all. Trying to force you to do so is worth having one of their devs spend an hour or three to port the exploit patch(es) and write a code snippet to lock the bootloader, and not providing an unlock service just saves them money.
As for Lenovorola, they couldn't care less; they've already made any money that they can off of the phones. There's zero incentive for them to help in any way, especially since the phone is over two years old and was designed/produced during the promising-looking period that Google owned Motorola. They, too, would prefer you buy a new phone, perhaps one of their increasingly-generic ones.
So yea...it's still in VZW's best interest to be slightly scummy about the bootloader situation. They'll make more money off spending a bit to continue to (try to) exert their control, rather than caring about what any of their customers want.
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There is one bit of bad news here for DROID Turbo owners. Since the device is not expected to be updated to Android 7.0, this is the end of the line in terms of Android updates for the model.
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Considering official MM on Verizon was looking more and more unlikely to materialize, I imagine that most will just shrug their shoulders at this. It's been a given for a long time that the Turbo was hanging on to VZW's upgrade list by its fingernails.
Sweet!
@jcase says he has a copy of Verizon's Marshmallow. It's coming.
He also says it much harder to unlock the bootloader, so best to do it now if you are going to do it.
Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
quantum tao said:
one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
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Hehe, Verizon didn't like knowing I was rooted. They dropped me from the program.