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Precautions before buying used Venue Pro

Hi everyone. I'm buying a used, unlocked T-Mobile DVP 8GB soon, manufactured around January 2011 and is supposedly running Mango. I realize the phone is filled with issues, but they have supposedly been fixed by now. I'm just wondering if there are any specific issues I should check for before going ahead with the sale. Thanks!

No compass...yet

That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?

khara said:
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
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I've had absolutely no problems out of my DVP. 7.10.7720.68 is the latest OS version on mine. Yeah, the compass is a strange omission considering the hardware is there and was originally implemented but maps seems to orient just fine when I need directions. GPS is crazy fast.

Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?

khara said:
Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
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latest DVP update is 7.10.8107 if the mobile is a factory unlocked version
if you have operator specific model like say T-Mobile / ATT then it would be 7.10.7720 or in some cases 7.10.7740

I too am considering a Dell Venue Pro. I am on Mobilicity in Toronto area and getting a decent Windows Phone that operates on AWS frequencies (1700/2100) is a challenge. T-Mobile phones are the only option but ordering a T-Mobile phone into Canada is a challenge too. It would be simply easier to drive to the NY State or Michigan and buy from a T-Mobile store and then unlock but I don't have 3-4 hours to burn. The Dell Venue Pro is easily available and is unlocked even ordering from Amazon.com.
If anyone has serious reservations please advise. Even better if someone is reading this and is on Mobilicity with this phone, I would appreciate any comments good or bad.

DVP !!
Hey,
M in India, and I got a DVP unlocked 16 gig, and I have no issues with it.
For me its the best looking phone out there
I dont care much about the specs(I mean if you compare the phones out there today, DVP lags behind), and the specs that a DVP has, is enough for me.
I have had only one stuck up, where I had to remove the battery to power it back on. That's it. Otherwise it has worked smoothly.
No other random reboot, no lag.
One thing, the camera is bad. You wont be able to take motion pictures. It will be blurry.
After Mango update, and making some changes in the settings, the still pics are gr8, but if you are trying to capture something that's moving, then m sorry, this aint the phone for you
I bought it in November 2011.
Current version:
OS version: 7.10.8107.79
My verdict: If you like classy, go for the DVP !!!
Excuse me for any typos or wrong grammar, English ain't my first language.

I picked it up yesterday, and so far I love it! There are a few things tripping me up, but nothing that i feel would push me over the age to abandon the platform like I did with Android. For one, it would be nice to be able to push enter to send an SMS using the keyboard, rather than having to touch the send icon on the screen. It would also be nice to be able to block certain numbers from calling.
Battery life does seem like an improvement over my old phone, though.

If you are purchasing new, in the US, I would question it. The phone is old hardware, at least 18 months old, I'd not more. Does not do 4g or wifi n. Simply put, why would you invest in an old device.
If you are buying used, or cheap with no contract, its worth it. But, buyer beware. A lot of used phones are showing up in a less than ideal condition, with damaged SD slots, or with the ability to reset missing. In these conditions they are virtually impossible to fix. Just be careful
That being said, these are good devices, well made and sound. I do not regret purchasing mine way back when. It was a most amazing Christmas present when received on December 21st, 2010.

Just to let you know I opted for a Nokia Lumia 710 !
Great deal here in Canada for 254.99 (from Rogers no contract) then $10 for unlock code. I know it's a completely different phone from DVP but figured I may as well get on with latest model phone for fairly cheap price. It will give me an idea if next (more expensive phone) should be the Nokia 900.
Thanks everyone for the mainly good comments about DVP.

We've discussed it for a bit here
Though if you're on rogers you actually have the choice of any of the lumias. (as rogers uses the same 3g bands as at&t and regardless prob has more choices)
TmoUSA users dont though, it's either the 710 or the VP or radar. (there's very little selection for AWS devices, that's almost literally every AWS capable wp7 device)

Yes... actually I am on Mobilicity which is same band as T-Mobile (1700/2100).
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone so yes it works with Rogers 3 G bands and AT&T bands, and of course it works perfectly with Mobilicity ! (had to unlock it though)
Wonder if the T-Mobile version is penta band ? Also wonder why Rogers doesn't advertise this? I did some reading and found out it's penta band but if you read the specs from Rogers website it's only showing as quad-band. Quick trip to a Rogers store and reading the label shows it's penta band.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php

Perhaps they dont want you purchasing one and turning it to another carrier?
For a carrier sold one the supported bands arnt really relevent, as long as it supports their own band obviously.

PaullikesWINMO said:
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone
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I doubt this, because I am not sure that the Qualcomm chipset actually supports pentaband UMTS.
It's more likely that it's quadband UMTS, which would still allow it cover all UMTS frequencies for both ATT and T-Mo. As in, maybe they left out 850 or 900.

Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)

HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - For Canada
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php

TheManii said:
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
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Can confirm the ATT version works on Rogers bands. Sold my unlocked DVP (ATT) to a rogers users. He reported it worked fine on 3G.

Why are they crippling the us galaxy s iv?

I understand that they crippled the s3 because of issues with lte compatibility. (even though the korean version has quad exynos and lte)
However, I was under the impression samsung had worked this all out with exynos in the note 2. Also didn't either three or ee or whatever it was in the uk say they would have lte on the galaxy s iv, but only the us variant gets snapdragon? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Samsung is alienating a rather large market.
Now don't get me wrong, i am under no circumstance saying the snapdragon 600 is a bad processor, i think its really great. The gpu is really good too. However, When i think samsung, I think of exynos as its staple, built in-house samsung optimized processor. Also, i think we can all safely assume that the octa will be more powerful do to it being a real a15 quadcore (with the a7 power savers) and not just having a15 like characteristics. Furthermore the sgx 544 has been shown to be a more powerful gpu than the 320 other than not have open gl es 3.0. So i'm confused here. Is there something I'm missing? Am i the only one thinking this?
ps. Anyone hear anything about the exynos 5 quad? Why not use that?

......LTE......

americasteam said:
......LTE......
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875

I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here

Most likely supply issues those 8 cores don't make themselves then again the lte issue could have sprung up again because this isn't a traditional processor
S4 INFO

samdsox said:
did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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Yeah, I read what you wrote. I would assume it is in fact a limitation of LTE. Maybe they don't have a version of their current gen chip that is compatible with LTE bands used in the US.
You think Samsung wants to buy SoC from another vender?

I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?

xan3x said:
I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)

samdsox said:
The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.

Are you sure it will get dev support? I thought cyanogenmod quit developing for the international s 3 because Samsung wouldn't release some code for the exynos on the s 3 international version.
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xan3x said:
Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
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Any gsm network...att, tmobile..etc
Any cdma carrier will not work with international phones...Verizon, sprint...etc
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When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.

samdsox said:
did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band

Warrimonk said:
It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
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thanks that makes alot more sense. It's just too bad samsung didn't use a seperate modem or plan for that in advance.

Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
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zelendel said:
Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
Wayne Tech S-III
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Yeah, that's the one thing the us version has going for it. Not sure but i thought i saw a post from one of those developers that they would not develop for either though...hoping it was just that one.

Snapdragon 600:
Four Krait 300 cores
Adreno 320 graphics
Exynos 5 Octa:
Cortex-A15
Cortex-A7 CPUs w/
PowerVR SGX544MP3 graphics
Any T-Mobile folks thinking about ordering the International instead of the TM release?
Hmmm....decisions decisions....

conrat2000 said:
When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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That card is to access verizons LTE networks ....its not a sim like att/tmobile

Will people quit posting worthless threads about the processor already!? The snapdragon is going to be better in reality because it clocks faster and wastes much less battery combined with lte. Plus, developers hate exynos and won't develope for it.
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barondebxl said:
I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
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I would assume the us version would get more support from developers such as CM since samsung won't release the codes of the exynos based processors, hence not being able to run it up to its full potential. So with the S600 that shouldn't be the case. No?
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[Q] Maybe you can help me decide the version to buy!

Hi guys! I've been reading lots of threads and specs from the different variants of note 3. After all of them, I ended worst because now I can't decide myself for the version, this is what happens:
I am from Argentina, LTE is being settled and it uses band 4 (1700 for upload, 2100 for download). So this are my options (I don't have too much money so I'm limited to top US $500, I'm buying it there in US).
- AT&T Version (SM - N900A) has the band 4 for my country's LTE. The thing is I see it does not come with headphones and the other matter is, if I buy it unlocked, is it FACTORY unlocked even though is AT&T?
- SM - N9005. I found in all the forum and different web sites that this is the best version (mainly because of hardware). I really would like to buy this one, because I think it would be possible to activate band 4 with modem changes. The only problem is I've seen in the forum no one could (YET, but.. do you see it possible? I don't mind waiting)
- SM - N9000 (International Exynos version). Here in my country they sell only this one. I am buying it in US though because it's really cheaper. If I get this one I know I won't get LTE, but it seems there ir far more support in the SM - N9005.
I want to buy SM-N9005, but if I buy an LTE version and cannot use LTE... is it worth it (due to the other specs)? I don't find AT&T convincing so I try not to buy it.
Which do you recommend me to buy? And I would also be grateful if you reccommend me where to do it. I only know ebay and amazon almost all sellers there have some negative feedback.
Thanks!

mikloskass said:
Hi guys! I've been reading lots of threads and specs from the different variants of note 3. After all of them, I ended worst because now I can't decide myself for the version, this is what happens:
I am from Argentina, LTE is being settled and it uses band 4 (1700 for upload, 2100 for download). So this are my options (I don't have too much money so I'm limited to top US $500, I'm buying it there in US).
- AT&T Version (SM - N900A) has the band 4 for my country's LTE. The thing is I see it does not come with headphones and the other matter is, if I buy it unlocked, is it FACTORY unlocked even though is AT&T?
- SM - N9005. I found in all the forum and different web sites that this is the best version (mainly because of hardware). I really would like to buy this one, because I think it would be possible to activate band 4 with modem changes. The only problem is I've seen in the forum no one could (YET, but.. do you see it possible? I don't mind waiting)
- SM - N9000 (International Exynos version). Here in my country they sell only this one. I am buying it in US though because it's really cheaper. If I get this one I know I won't get LTE, but it seems there ir far more support in the SM - N9005.
I want to buy SM-N9005, but if I buy an LTE version and cannot use LTE... is it worth it (due to the other specs)? I don't find AT&T convincing so I try not to buy it.
Which do you recommend me to buy? And I would also be grateful if you reccommend me where to do it. I only know ebay and amazon almost all sellers there have some negative feedback.
Thanks!
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I've a N9005
I don't regret having bought,my phone has 1~2 years old he work very well, I've no problem with hardware
there are option 4G hlte on setting but i don't know if it wort (no 4G in my contry)
For me, I advise you this model

The tmobile version is like the att version, but without the locked bootloader. SM-N900T
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mikloskass said:
Hi guys! I've been reading lots of threads and specs from the different variants of note 3. After all of them, I ended worst because now I can't decide myself for the version, this is what happens:
I am from Argentina, LTE is being settled and it uses band 4 (1700 for upload, 2100 for download). So this are my options (I don't have too much money so I'm limited to top US $500, I'm buying it there in US).
- AT&T Version (SM - N900A) has the band 4 for my country's LTE. The thing is I see it does not come with headphones and the other matter is, if I buy it unlocked, is it FACTORY unlocked even though is AT&T?
- SM - N9005. I found in all the forum and different web sites that this is the best version (mainly because of hardware). I really would like to buy this one, because I think it would be possible to activate band 4 with modem changes. The only problem is I've seen in the forum no one could (YET, but.. do you see it possible? I don't mind waiting)
- SM - N9000 (International Exynos version). Here in my country they sell only this one. I am buying it in US though because it's really cheaper. If I get this one I know I won't get LTE, but it seems there ir far more support in the SM - N9005.
I want to buy SM-N9005, but if I buy an LTE version and cannot use LTE... is it worth it (due to the other specs)? I don't find AT&T convincing so I try not to buy it.
Which do you recommend me to buy? And I would also be grateful if you reccommend me where to do it. I only know ebay and amazon almost all sellers there have some negative feedback.
Thanks!
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Buy note 4 mate. Better than note 3.

Thanks Fadhi, that's what i'll do!

Best version of Note 4, 910T/910F/910C?

I currently have a LG G4 verizon edition. I am jumping to ATT so I need a new phone. I looked at the G5s but not much changed or is different than my current g4. I would jump to G4 gsm version but the boot loop issue is not something I want to risk. I need the phone to last a couple years. Note 4 seems comparable to G4.
Things I care about:
- Removeable battery
- SD Card
- IR blaster
- OIS
- unlocked bootloader for root access
- support both ATT and Tmobile bands
Note 4 seems to check all these off. I been reading about the 910T (snapdragon tmobile version) and they seem to be able to unlock the bootloader and still support att bands. I know att and verizon tend to lock their phones down too tightly. Should I consider an international version (exynos), if so which version that supports both att and tmobile bands?
Does the exynos or snapdragon tend to have better unlocked bootloader/root support? I will probably just run a debloated stock firmware since I want s-pen support/etc.
Get the 910C (international exynos), 910T (tmobile snapdragon), or 910F (international snapdragon)?
Thanks

I have straight talk att service with my unlocked N910T and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I bought it specifically for the frredom that N910T offers just to unlock root and use with ST. The bootloaders are factory unlocked "for the most part". Meaning very open to to root and custom roms....but if you get one that has been updated to the latest 5.1.1 firmware (DOK2) you can't downgrade....at least as of right now...I did a lot of research on your question for myself and haven't regretted my decision not once since I bought it in january. But the question about exynos vs snapdragon is something that depends on the user...depends on what country you will use or whether it's just gonna be a phone to d OK root things to or if you plan on heavy gaming.....things like that
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So bottom line bud, I wouldn't go with anything else!!

I have the 910C & it's been great on AT&T Straight Talk. 910C got Marshmallow before the 910F did, which was great. Being an international model, there is no carrier bloatware, which is another plus.
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J0eggernaut said:
I currently have a LG G4 verizon edition. I am jumping to ATT so I need a new phone. I looked at the G5s but not much changed or is different than my current g4. I would jump to G4 gsm version but the boot loop issue is not something I want to risk. I need the phone to last a couple years. Note 4 seems comparable to G4.
Things I care about:
- Removeable battery
- SD Card
- IR blaster
- OIS
- unlocked bootloader for root access
- support both ATT and Tmobile bands
Note 4 seems to check all these off. I been reading about the 910T (snapdragon tmobile version) and they seem to be able to unlock the bootloader and still support att bands. I know att and verizon tend to lock their phones down too tightly. Should I consider an international version (exynos), if so which version that supports both att and tmobile bands?
Does the exynos or snapdragon tend to have better unlocked bootloader/root support? I will probably just run a debloated stock firmware since I want s-pen support/etc.
Get the 910C (international exynos), 910T (tmobile snapdragon), or 910F (international snapdragon)?
Thanks
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Exynos might suit you better since SP has some lagging issues after 10min of doing graphical work like gaming , but most devs support SP and not exynos so it depends on you , personally im more into flashing stuff and ask myself everyday "why did i buy exynos ??" , if you really love Exy you might want to take a look at the 3g model (N910H) if the battery life matters to you , GoodLuck

Thank you the feedback. Are any of the phones running on MM 6.0 able to be rooted/ have an unlocked bootloader? I feel like there is a good chance that if I buy a used phone it will be on the latest OTA. Does that mean the 910T is out of the question?
Do the 910C and 910F come with unlocked bootloaders? I don't really game. The 910C and 910F seem to be about $100 more than the 910T. I don't really have a preference for SP or Exy, just as long as I can unlock the bootloader and de-bloat and it will work on ATT/T-mobile.

J0eggernaut said:
Thank you the feedback. Are any of the phones running on MM 6.0 able to be rooted/ have an unlocked bootloader? I feel like there is a good chance that if I buy a used phone it will be on the latest OTA. Does that mean the 910T is out of the question?
Do the 910C and 910F come with unlocked bootloaders? I don't really game. The 910C and 910F seem to be about $100 more than the 910T. I don't really have a preference for SP or Exy, just as long as I can unlock the bootloader and de-bloat and it will work on ATT/T-mobile.
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Bootloader is unlocked(and locked )
Unlocked- You can flash same or newer ROM,recovery,etc etc
Locked- You cant downgrade to previous ROM(if u upgrade to last ROM you cant go back-except 6.0.1 it allow rollback to 5.1.1)
Ps : both N910c & N910F you can root without problems (even on 6.0.1)

Jovan1997 said:
Bootloader is unlocked(and locked )
Unlocked- You can flash same or newer ROM,recovery,etc etc
Locked- You cant downgrade to previous ROM(if u upgrade to last ROM you cant go back-except 6.0.1 it allow rollback to 5.1.1)
Ps : both N910c & N910F you can root without problems (even on 6.0.1)
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So once you go to MM 6.01 you cant downgrade to lollipop? I am fine with that. I can still flash roms/recovery/root on MM though right?

Seeing as you live state side and want to switch to AT&T. You are better off getting a Note 4 from AT&T as that way you will be sure to get full access to their LTE/4G bands without any problems. While getting either any of the international variants may not be able to support the use of AT&T's LTE/4G bands.

DarkGuyver said:
Seeing as you live state side and want to switch to AT&T. You are better off getting a Note 4 from AT&T as that way you will be sure to get full access to their LTE/4G bands without any problems. While getting either any of the international variants may not be able to support the use of AT&T's LTE/4G bands.
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I checked the bands all the phones mentioned support ATT. ATT/Verizon phones tend to be locked down.

I think I am going with the 910T given that it supports band 12 (ac) which ATT now supports. Phones that support band 17 bc dont support band 12a. I am mostly in the states so I like the freedom to jump between tmobile or att and 910C doesn't support band 12 which is primarily used by tmobile.
If someone else stumbles across the thread maybe this will help:
910T (tmobile snap) lte bands: 2/3/4/5/8/12ac/17bc
910C (international exy) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910F (international snap) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910A (att snap) lte bands: 2/4/5/7/12ac/17bc
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I think I am going with the 910T or 910F given that it supports band 12 (ac) which ATT now supports. Phones that support band 17 bc dont support band 12a. I am mostly in the states so I like the freedom to jump between tmobile or att and 910C doesn't support band 12 which is primarily used by tmobile.
If someone else stumbles across the thread maybe this will help:
910T (tmobile snap) lte bands: 2/3/4/5/8/12ac/17bc
910C (international snap) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/17bc/20
910F (international exy) lte bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12ac/17bc/18/19/20/26
910A (att snap) lte bands: 2/4/5/7/12ac/17bc
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Actually both the N910C and N910F support the use of the same LTE/4G Bands as they are both designed for the same international markets. However the N910C is the equipped with the Exynos 5433 while the N910F is equipped with the Snapdragon 805.

DarkGuyver said:
Actually both the N910C and N910F support the use of the same LTE/4G Bands as they are both designed for the same international markets. However the N910C is the equipped with the Exynos 5433 while the N910F is equipped with the Snapdragon 805.
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Yep, I mixed up the C and F snapdragon vs exynos, my original post had it correct. I guess they do have the same bands, both missing band 12.

Mobo
Can a 910f board fit in a 910t frame and lcd? What boards can fit in a 910t? Tyvm

Snapdragon chipset has 4-core 2.7 GHz chipset, Exynos chipset has 4x1.9 GHz and 4x1.3 GHz 8-core hybrid chipset. Thus, benchmark results and performance are sided to Exynos. However, Snapdragon chipset has Cat. 6 LTE modem, Exynos has only Cat. 4. Thus in theory, Snapdragon allows to speed of 300 MBit/s, Exynos allows to only 150 MB/s. Major pluses and minors are these.

Curioususer1 said:
Snapdragon chipset has 4-core 2.7 GHz chipset, Exynos chipset has 4x1.9 GHz and 4x1.3 GHz 8-core hybrid chipset. Thus, benchmark results and performance are sided to Exynos. However, Snapdragon chipset has Cat. 6 LTE modem, Exynos has only Cat. 4. Thus in theory, Snapdragon allows to speed of 300 MBit/s, Exynos allows to only 150 MB/s. Major pluses and minors are these.
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Please read my post above yours. Thanks

jerryspring said:
Please read my post above yours. Thanks
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All Note 4 versions use same frame and LCD. I don't have full knowledge of deep details of frame,LCD or board change but it should work I say.

Is it likely the V20 will get decent Dev support/activity/ROMs?

So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc. I've asked over there for feedback. Doesn't look like there's been much interest in the V10 phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?
Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?

What specifically was wrong with the G5 build? My wife has the phone and we both think its pretty nice. At least as good as the Galaxy it replaced and probably a bit nicer.
I'm also interested in your original question. How much support will this phone get and will the boat loader enforce secure boot?
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.

lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
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Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
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lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one. Until you see and know what having a unified hardware platform (like Nexus) does to accelerate development you don't get how screwed over you are by unique snowflake SKUs.
I too was excited for the v20, but LG fumbled the ball. in 3 months when the price comes down from the early-adopter surcharge (hopefully) I'll think about getting one. Depending on what I see.

Skripka said:
Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one.
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Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.

The unlocked version also doesn't have AT&T's bands 29 & 30 and T-Mobile's Band 66. Personally, I plan to get the AT&T V20. I don't mind the (expected) lack of updates so much as long the current version doesn't have glaring bugs. For AT&T you also need a branded device for VoLTE.
I currently have the Nexus 5 and Google left it with major bugs for a few months (one of them was broken car Bluetooth). So my experience with Google wasn't that great. The Pixel devices look like bad iPhone and Galaxy copies.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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The development is what I find cool. It is why I keep ending up being a tester for ROM teams (did it on Note 2, and still on Nexus 6)....but Android generally is getting really f'ing annoying on some of this crap. SafetyNet for example isn't just a framework for AndroidPay and stopping you from using your phone from paying for a burger due to Xposed, corporate email servers are now using it....so if you modify your firmware in any unauthorised way your employer may well not let your phone talk to your work email servers anymore (one of mi amigos on Team Twisted has this problem-nothing we can do). Google seems to be wanting to go iron-fisted in security and sacrificing FOSS development for "security".
There was a post on r/Android tonight outlining some of the more obscure technical problems, and outright annoyances for developers as well in the current Android landscape generally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/56qr4z/why_i_am_giving_up_on_android/
FWIW....he mentions specifically kernel 3.18; that kernel is not only used by the upcoming Pixel but according to the posted v20 system dump, a few subforums down, is the kernel v20 is going to ship with as well. When that OP is speaking about shipping a brand new device in Q4 2016 with a 2-year-old+ kernel ceasing upstream patching in 2-3 months as being insanity.....he's not just talking Pixel, he's also talking v20.
I wouldn't borderline rant on it unless the device had a ton of potential...which v20 especially does, and seeing LG squander it with shortsighted planned obsolescence is frustrating.

Personally I am okay with not too many roms. All I need is root for Viper and a few other apps.

I really think that I'll get this phone to replace my G4. I had to come to terms that the bootloader will never be unlocked on all models except T-Mobile and certain international models. I've also accepted that there will be absolutely zero dev support.
Don't fault me for being pessimistic. Being optimistic with the possibility of Dev support and observing how the G4, G5 and V10 turned out is plain foolish.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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EMSpilot said:
Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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Their listing for the VS995 is incorrect/incomplete compared to what the LG Electronics sent to the FCC and has on file. Read and compare, some of their entries are wrong (VS995 does indeed have Band 25), some like Band 66 are left out or missing (VS995 has that too). WCDMA is either seemingly absent although maybe they call that "UTMS". CDMA support is also flawed (should be 850/1900 for VS995 not 800/1900). I don't have easy to call up numbers for US996 ATM, but one way or another-their band support table is incorrect.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102983
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102984
The phones are not radio band identical.

Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minutes of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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EMSpilot said:
Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minuets of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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Please report back once you have it working. I'm very interested in doing this too. I'd love to not get stuck with the bloat.
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..

thanks for your expert opinion. nobody will take it seriously, but thanks!
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windozeanti said:
There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
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Actually, devs that tried supporting Note 7 are now interested in developing for the V20 from the online polls since the note 7 has been officially canceled