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HTC One vs Moto X (Verizon)

I'll be getting either the supposedly "blue" HTC One or the Moto X on Verizon by the end of this month. We all know the Moto X is slightly underspecced compared to the One but supposedly it's got a massive slew of new features and the PRICE tag equivalent to a dollar menu item at McDonalds compared to a Big Mac; assuming that you can get it from Google Play for Verizon. (Sorry for the run-on sentence)
Here's what will make or break my decision.
If the Moto X does these, I will not buy:
Lag: I will not tolerate anything less than buttery smooth like the HTC One
Camera: If the rear camera is a complete waste like the Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 camera.
Bad Battery life: I assume based on battery size and slower processor that this thing will have admirable battery life, but you never know
Quiet Speakers: This one is 50/50. If the external speaker(s) suck big time then I won't buy. But if it's at least as good as the iPhone5 then I will hold nothing against it.
Low Storage: I haven't read everything there is to know about it yet but this thing needs to have 32gb storage minimum, whether it's internal or achieved by an SD card, I don't care. It just needs to happen. I'm sitting at 4gb remaining as it is with my silver HTC One, lol.
Bad Screen: Here's the major kicker. I've read the rumors that the X will have 312ppi and our One's are rocking an incredible 468ppi. That's normally an indication of how great the screen will be in real life. If the screen looks obviously worse, then I'm going to just grab the Verizon HTC One and call it a day.
Feel free to add any other things that would make or break your decision between these phones. All the while keeping in mind that the X is a few hundred dollars cheaper.

You know as much as we do, why compare.
Keep in mind the One is also likely 2x the cost of the X, if the rumors hold true - so hopefully the One is better in most of those categories.

My opinion is this, it won't sound as good as the One due to the boomsound speakers, but I could live without them.
Same with PPI of over 450, there's basically zero difference over 300, so again, a wash for me.
Honestly, if the bootloader is unlocked and the battery is decent (better than the One), I'll probably switch to the X.
I hear the software optimizations are awesome on it as well.

I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.

"Who wants to be a fireman?"
Why not add that to your ridiculous poll?

lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:

killman2659 said:
lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:
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Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,

Syn Ack said:
Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,
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And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive

killman2659 said:
And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive
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As will the customizations.
I really had high hopes for this thing.
Hyped product is hyped.
:meh:

Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel

Man. And here I thought it would be a play device that would replace the nexus 4. Guess not. Although the notification system and the google now thing is pretty cool. I want that on my One.
Edit: I guess it will be released as a dev/unlocked device, but doubt the price would be anywhere near $300 if it's contract price is $250.

bbedward said:
Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel
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Agreed

Honestly, an HTC One Mini sounds better than Moto X.

What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.

Dual core vs quad core you decide.
IMO this is a huge mistake from Moto.
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henrybravo said:
What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.
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I agree that it is stupid that this phone doesn't ship with 4.3. You would think Motorola would've been the first company to receive an early final build of 4.3. IMO if anyone wants this phone just wait until they release the Google Play version of it (if it doesn't have 4.3 then that would be pathetic)
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I have waited months for the HTC One to come to Verizon I will not to turn back now. But really Moto X is a mid range phone, I want the best.

Too be honest, I am a little conflicted
Motorola should be commended for allowing customization on their phones (even if its just aesthetics). In my opinion every company should do this.
The specification are considered mid-range, for specification buffs this is disconcerning (and most of us here are spec buffs) but my question how much does it matter? My brothers Nexus 4 runs just as smooth as my HTC One and it has a slower processor. Dual Core vs. Quad Core, how many apps actually use all the cores?
720p vs. 1080p this will depend on if you can tell the difference. This is what I tell people when they compare screens, if you can't tell the difference there is no point of spending that extra money. The 720p def will save battery and allow the phone to run faster (less resources diverted to run the 1080p screen)
Active Display and Touchless Control do add unique functionality. Touchless Control will be really useful when driving. Active Display is definitely a good way to handle notifications and may increase battery life.
Price being the same gives the HTC One a huge advantage though. If the unlocked version is around the same price as the Nexus 4 then it could be worth it. But its somewhat unlikely since its made in the US (our minimum wage is $7.50 an hour while the workers in China usually get $1.50 an hour. HUGE difference here)
Though I feel Motorola is heading in the right direction. If they add options to customize CPU, RAM, Screen...etc. (which they can definitely do with their new Texas factory) or even options for different material panels (I know they are prototyping wooden backs at the moment) this will go somewhere. Price is the biggest problem right now and to be honest I'm not sure how they will be able to solve it.

I love the X, at the price point though I'd rather buy the One.
I think a lot of people feel the same way, but I certainly hope it succeeds anyway.
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regP said:
I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.
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Is the Moto X still worth it?

I have my upgrade this week on Verizon, I've been taking a very serious look at the moto X. Motomaker is one of the coolest things on the scene, as well as some of the moto specific features such as active display. The specs just worry me a tad bit when I put it up against something like a G2 which is in the same price range. Many say the specs on this phone are not a indicator of performance, and I actually like the feeling of the Moto X compared to all the other phones I've tried. So should I just throw my spec worry to the wind?

This phone can easily do anything you want it to do. Hardware specs are not a key decision factor here. It is powerful enough.
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Don't focus on the specs! I just left a Note 3 and switched to the Moto X ... Don't regret it one bit!
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I just did. Came from the HTC One about a week ago and no regrets! No difference in performance on daily tasks and Active Display is the best new feature I've seen in a long time. I did go with the Developer Edition though.

Maybe read the 20 other similar threads....lots of opinions there that I'm sure many aren't going to repeat again.
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To use stock its perfect. If you are a flashaholic look elsewhere.
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Got mine a few days ago. The phone is fantastic. It may have modest hardware, but the stock ROM runs great on it.

Best phone I have owned!
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I would stay its still worth it because the price has done down too. Its a great phone and runs fast and smooth but its also a good deal at almost half the price of the other flagships of its generation..

This has been the best device I have purchased in my four years on android phones. I've had the GS4 and HTC one and this phone IMHO performs just as good if not better.
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Don't focus on the spec's. Focus on how it performs. My X performs great. Despite having a Samsung Galaxy S4 in my drawer for work that I could stick my personal SIM in and use, I PURCHASED a Moto X Developer Edition for Verizon in early November (two days before the first price drop, when there was no other option to get 32gig X on VZW).
Also keep in mind, if you plan to root, the Moto Maker and retail Verizon Moto X have a locked bootloader which can not be unlocked. While SlapMyMoto 1.0 works to root phones on 4.4, It has a few steps, including flashing older roms first, etc. In reading this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538896&page=69 there are reports that root can survive the 4.4.2 update, but it appears the "write protection disable" provided by MotoWpNoMo doesn't survive. Therefore the Developer Edition Moto X for Verizon, which can have its bootloader unlocked and is quicker/easier to root, might be worth looking at.

I have always been about the latest and greatest smart phone and wanted the best specs. When I got the X, I was skeptical. I am now a true believer in that the greatest specs are not needed. Go for the X.

Mine is arriving tomorrow con UK!!, I'm ****ing excited!!. I bought even know in Lenovo bought Motblablabla!!, I don't care I have MotoG and happy to have it so I don't wanna think tomorrow when I'll get MotoX between my hands on!!
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Agree with all previous comments - I'm coming from a HTC ONE X, X+, ONE, and even a Sony Xperia ZL in regards to recent phones and the Moto X for some reason just makes me
The HTC ONE was really good in terms of Android phones and the build quality is still impressive. However, in terms of every day use, snappiness, battery life, integration of core services - the Moto X is nearly perfect (in regards to today's phones). Things can be always improved on any phone (screen if you need text to be razor sharp / camera if you are a vampire that only takes pics at night), but considering all the promos and the decent support from Motorola to keep their customers happy - it's worth taking the risk and seeing if you like it (not to mention you can always return it)!
There is paranoia from people regarding the Lenovo deal - who cares. I'm in the tech industry and will probably have a new phone next year anyways. If the Moto X2 is awesome I'll buy it even if it's owned by Lenovo. If something else is better, then they'll get my business. Who cares - just enjoy what we have now that is awesome...and that awesomeness is the Moto X.
Note: I was not paid by Moto to reply LOL

Buy the Moto X
I bought two Moto X's and can say unequivocally that they are the best phones I've ever had - and I've had cell phones from the very beginning. Don't focus on the specs - focus on the user experience. The size, performance, battery life and feature makes the X a first-rate product.
Plus, building it on MotoMaker is really cool.

I say do it unless you can hold out til the end of Summer for the "X2" lol. I left the N5 for this when I got in on a promo for it over the holidays. This is my favorite Android phone so far and I've had a lot! Nexus S, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, HTC One, Nexus 5, and probably others I am forgetting lol. The extra features like Active Display, Touchless Controls, and "Drive Mode" are super cool. This phone performs just fine given the "midrange" specs and the fact I customized the colors to my liking makes me like it even more.

I love my moto x and believe that it's worth the money to purchase outright without a contract. With a family of 5, I've had a LOT of "flagship" phones. After receiving my Moto X, I'm thinking about giving my S4 to my 14yr. old son and buying another Moto X for my business line.

I'm debating the moto x too...I might need a new phone cause mine is bricked but i cant help and think a new generation of phones are coming out soon

Best phone I have owned. Very snappy. Love all the extras, like twist to open camera - no more tapping away to get a picture.
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Would you move from Moto X Pure Edition to Nexus 5x?

I have been considering to join Project fi and get a Nexus 5x ($199).
I've been happy with my MXPE but also miss the Nexus line.
Have you considered to (probably) sell your Moto X Pure Edition and get a Nexus 5x instead?
I know the MXPE has better camera mpxls, RAM, SD slot, screen resolution/size, battery but on the other hand the 5x has fingerprint sensor, it is always up to date and of course, it supports Project fi.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks.

e_rene said:
I have been considering to join Project fi and get a Nexus 5x ($199).
I've been happy with my MXPE but also miss the Nexus line.
Have you considered to (probably) sell your Moto X Pure Edition and get a Nexus 5x instead?
I know the MXPE has better camera mpxls, RAM, SD slot, screen resolution/size, battery but on the other hand the 5x has fingerprint sensor, it is always up to date and of course, it supports Project fi.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks.
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I've had the same temptation in the past, mainly because of the fingerprint sensor and development on the 5X. but when you weigh it out, the screen is much better/camera is definitely better/ battery is better/more ram/ and the expandable storage, the X is better in my book. In addition, i'm currently running the Walmart $30 plan which is unlimited data with 5gb at LTE speed. Plus you figure the new nexus is going to be announced in 5-6 months, so you might as well wait. By the way, we've had the same exact phone upgrade path since the samsung galaxy s2, so we have very similar taste lol. I really miss my nexus 5, best phone i ever had. My gf has it now, and every time i help her with it, I wonder what i was thinking when upgrading

thefallen924 said:
I've had the same temptation in the past, mainly because of the fingerprint sensor and development on the 5X. but when you weigh it out, the screen is much better/camera is definitely better/ battery is better/more ram/ and the expandable storage, the X is better in my book. In addition, i'm currently running the Walmart $30 plan which is unlimited data with 5gb at LTE speed. Plus you figure the new nexus is going to be announced in 5-6 months, so you might as well wait. By the way, we've had the same exact phone upgrade path since the samsung galaxy s2, so we have very similar taste lol. I really miss my nexus 5, best phone i ever had. My gf has it now, and every time i help her with it, I wonder what i was thinking when upgrading
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Which Walmart Plan are you referring to? StraightTalk? If so, which plan specifically. Interested in switching

thefallen924 said:
I've had the same temptation in the past, mainly because of the fingerprint sensor and development on the 5X. but when you weigh it out, the screen is much better/camera is definitely better/ battery is better/more ram/ and the expandable storage, the X is better in my book. In addition, i'm currently running the Walmart $30 plan which is unlimited data with 5gb at LTE speed. Plus you figure the new nexus is going to be announced in 5-6 months, so you might as well wait. By the way, we've had the same exact phone upgrade path since the samsung galaxy s2, so we have very similar taste lol. I really miss my nexus 5, best phone i ever had. My gf has it now, and every time i help her with it, I wonder what i was thinking when upgrading
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Yes I know! The Nexus 5 has been one of my best phones ever. Even when a lot of people complained about the camera and battery life, I never had issues with it. Actually I decided to get the MXPE just because my Nexus 5 was already 2 years old, no other reason, it was still working great.

I would considering a switch to a Nexus, but it would likely be to the 6p. Project Fi was a viable option for me, than I would potentially consider the 5x, as the price is great, but the 6p still would tempt me.

Nexus 5X< MXS < Nexus 6P well thats what i think. I consider going from mxs to 5x a downgrade

alero5752 said:
Which Walmart Plan are you referring to? StraightTalk? If so, which plan specifically. Interested in switching
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http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tmobile-30-Wireless-Airtime-Card/15443357 < this is the plan here. only works for new activation though. also, you only get 100 minutes, which can easily be remedied by calling people via hangouts/whatsapp/ any other app that offers calling through data instead of voice. I've been rocking with this plan for about 3 years, and its been great. comes out to about $34 with tax.

prices are INSANE - I just bought a Nexus 5x

In Germany you have to pay 759€ for the version with 32GB.
Sorry Google but I just did something I thought I'd never do: buy a Nexus from last year instead buying the very best Google has to offer.
For 245€ I got a 32 GB Nexus 5x. A good upgrade form my 16GB Nexus 4 which I loved so much.
Sure, I get it: let's just price the Pixel nearly the same as an iPhone 7 but for a company that's doing 'its very own phone' (hello HTC) for the first time this price is just nuts.
I am so angry atm but I really want to hear your opinion on pricing. Except daydream VR this phone has simply nothing that stands out from the competition and now please don't come with the 'best camera in any smartphone'. I have waited for a big nexus upgrade for years now and I can't believe that this is ruined by a price that's beyond good and evil. I kinda waited the whole time for 'one more thing'.....the pixel will support Andromeda via USB type C in the future or something similar but no.
BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
Very happy that I got a Nexus 5x now so cheap!

I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.

Masteryates said:
I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.
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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.

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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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I was burnt by the low ram on the Nexus 9 so I'm giving the 5x a miss. It will be the one plus 3 or a Nexus 6p if I see one at the right price. Thanks for the suggestion seb. :highfive:

thesebastian said:
You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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N5 is not x86 its arm.

tohtorin said:
N5 is not x86 its arm.
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Here in Germany it starts at 759,00 € or $851.37.
I think it would be cheaper to buy it in the US and pay the taxes.

Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.

id3alistic said:
Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.
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It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...

$$$ no way Jose
Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.

Azarin said:
It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...
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My EXACT thoughts, as well. I recently made the switch away from Android for the first time to see what all the fuss was about with the iPhone 7. So far, I must admit that I am very pleased with the phone. Especially with how seamless it is with my Mac. But I was still anticipating the Pixel launch to see what Google had to offer. The phone itself looks great. But what you mentioned above is the big thing preventing me from returning the iPhone and getting the Pixel phone. With the iPhone, I'm locked in for two years but when the new one comes out next year I just take this one into the Apple store and walk out with the new one. It's a really great concept.
I'm afraid you are right about Google. I imagine if they were going to have an upgrade program, they would have announced it when discussing pricing to help justify the extremely high price point. Without that and with the resale value of these phones being about 50% 12 months after purchasing (based off what I've seen from the recent Nexus phones), the total cost to upgrade to the new Google phone every year just skyrocketed compared to what it used to be with the sub $450 nexus phones.
Because of this I'm having a very hard time trying to justify picking one up. Which is sad considering this will now be the first Nexus (i know... "Pixel") I haven't purchased after initial release.
EDIT: After wasting my afternoon reading tons of articles about the phone and watching the first few "hands on" videos, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase the 5" Pixel (Black, 128GB version). I have 3 more days to return my iPhone 7 for a full refund so it was either do it now or face the possibility of regret and be stuck with this $850 iPhone.
I still think the Pixel is overpriced but it does look to be an extremely solid phone. And I opted for the 128GB version to give myself a little future proofing. I'm planning on holding onto the Pixel for 2 years this time around, rather than making a quick phone jump again next year. This mindset helped me justify the price. Hopefully I can stick to that plan.

The pixel is so average, it has nothing my £300 OnePlus 3 doesn't have. Google's phone is overpriced and about as naff as their new bull**** chat app, Allo. Not impressed. Sub par. And those prices? Google has shot right up the ranks of overpriced **** to join Apple and Samsung. Ludicrous.

another thing I want to mention: Google spoke all the time about how Hardware and Software works together in this phone, especially with the Google assistant but hell, we all know that the assistant has nothing to do with hardware. It's just Android 7.1 and exclusivnes. Plus most of the talked about 'features' were just apps you can get in the playstore.
Another thing: if I buy an iPhone for the same price, I kind of know that I can sell it after like 11month for about 75% of the original price. NOT so with the pixel plus Apple provides the longest software updates. Just remember how freacking long the iPhone 4 was supported..!!
I am happy if my upcoming 5x would get fully featured Android 8. Even now when Android 7.1 seems ready they said that first betas can be expected by the end of the year..??!

I'd suggest the honor 8 if you want a one handed phone that's cheap and great quality
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trsix said:
Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.
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Me too, bought the Moto G4 Plus for 266 euro`s a week ago and its working perfect for me and has a front firing speaker. I`am never paying more then 400 euro`s tops for a phone again

Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol

rosswaa said:
Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol
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Nexus was never about premium feel. It was nexus just like an iphone is iphone. It was for people who wanted more from their device, who liked to tinker it, play with it. In short having a nexus meant you own your device and at affordable price.
Now with newer, pricier and premium pixel, they may hit new customers who like premium devices, people who change phones faster than seasons change, but they lost their fan base, tinkerers, developers. Most of them are students, young part time workers.
I feel pixel is just an iphone made by google and i m hugely disappointed. It may offer a great experience for user but as an android enthusiast, I don't see it's worth of that much money.

I was really interested in replacing my Honor 6 within the next months, but honestly, with those prices, I think I'll either stick with it, or go buying the Honor 8....
Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.

Any recommendations for 5" pixel substitute? I need something unlocked but can't don't want to carry anything larger than 5.
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CplBasti said:
Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.
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This sentence doesn't make any sense. The price has nothing to do with whether or not it is a "good" phone.
Quite frankly, the more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with the increased pricing. Over the years the Nexus sections of XDA have become overly saturated with kids whose parents bought their ~$350 phones for them and then they flood the Nexus sub-forums expecting to be spoon-fed everything without trying to learn things themselves from the plethora of guides and helpful posts readily available to them. All while refusing to contribute anything worthwhile to the community. It's gotten so bad that spending time in the Nexus forums has me wondering why I even bother anymore. Many developers have expressed the same feelings.
I'm really hoping the increased pricing of the Pixel phones will help keep the kids away and allow the Pixel forums to remain clean and full of people who actually like to contribute. Similar to how it was back in the early Nexus days.

Got a new phone

So I've been mentioning a lot and I wound up ordering a new phone, the Nexus 5X. I know I asked in an earlier thread about it, but it meets everything that I am looking for. I got the 32GB variant (new in box) for $220. Not the 16GB, the 32GB from a private seller and negotiated it down.
I was looking for a smaller phone, not to mention I have Sprint so all options are pretty limited. Of course you know my opinion on the Pixel so I'll skip that. I will still keep my Nexus 6 though, I don't have any intention of selling it.....ever.
I looked at the Moto G4 and G4 Plus, but there is little development for it and the flashing process is a bigger pain. I don't mind the plastic build either and wish more phones were like this as I believe they are more durable than the aluminum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MC9Zc7uzd0
If I had GSM, I'd have gotten the One Plus 3. I'll admit the hardware isn't exactly what I want, but the customization is more important for me anyways.
Plus, most phones, your insurance is $100 if not more depending on what you are paying, plus a $70-$80 deductible. So for a potentially refurbished replacement you spent $190 or so.
The guy only had one, but for $220 for a brand new phone that works for me. I've seen some 16GB variants on ebay, but I'm concerned that might be too little space. Overall I'll see how it is, but it's better than paying $649 for a Pixel instead.

I bought the 5x a few months ago and have been using it as my daily driver for a couple months. Still really like my N6 and use it as media device but it's not the most pocketable phone. The 5x is a very good mid-range phone, especially at current prices. The fast fingerprint sensor, USB type C, camera and brighter screen more than make up for the lack of wireless charging and dual front speakers. Overall build quality is very solid. Sound quality is definitely lacking compared to my N6 and idol 3. Highly recommend flashing A.R.I.S.E. if you care about audio quality.
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seabro01 said:
I bought the 5x a few months ago and have been using it as my daily driver for a couple months. Still really like my N6 and use it as media device but it's not the most pocketable phone. The 5x is a very good mid-range phone, especially at current prices. The fast fingerprint sensor, USB type C, camera and brighter screen more than make up for the lack of wireless charging and dual front speakers. Overall build quality is very solid. Sound quality is definitely lacking compared to my N6 and idol 3. Highly recommend flashing A.R.I.S.E. if you care about audio quality.
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Thanks for the feedback. I know I'd have to take a backseat on the audio and RAM, but I don't mind. I checked my memory usage and I'm usually at 1.5-1.7GB so I don't think the RAM should be an issue. I don't care about the wireless charging since I never use that either. I'm keeping my N6 as a backup, but I'll still use it over WIFI and it's still a good phone......just not out and about so I'll leave it at home.
Looking forward to the 5X. What USB C cords did you end up getting ? I bought some cords, adapters and OTG for the 5X from amazon. I just picked a few that the Benson guy recommended so I'll have to re-do all my cords. For me the customization was more important than the hardware.
The insurance for the phone is another embedded cost...of course you don't have to get it, but most do so it's another cost again.

mikeprius said:
Thanks for the feedback. I know I'd have to take a backseat on the audio and RAM, but I don't mind. I checked my memory usage and I'm usually at 1.5-1.7GB so I don't think the RAM should be an issue. I don't care about the wireless charging since I never use that either. I'm keeping my N6 as a backup, but I'll still use it over WIFI and it's still a good phone......just not out and about so I'll leave it at home.
Looking forward to the 5X. What USB C cords did you end up getting ? I bought some cords, adapters and OTG for the 5X from amazon. I just picked a few that the Benson guy recommended so I'll have to re-do all my cords. For me the customization was more important than the hardware.
The insurance for the phone is another embedded cost...of course you don't have to get it, but most do so it's another cost again.
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Haven't had any RAM management issues. Might be an issue with certain games but my usage is mostly music streaming, web browsing, Tapatalk and texting.
Audio through headphone jack and Bluetooth can be quite good with the right settings in Viper. The speaker quality is pretty bad compared to N6 but can be improved with the surround sound mod.
I bought the extra charger from Google store which came with a cable. Also got some Anker type C to micro adapters from Amazon.
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Lol this thread is hilarious cause I sold a 5x(that I got for 200 locally 32gb)
Hated it, it was slow down a lot, the front facing speaker was low and I missed calls, the volume on headset was not something to write home about. went to a 6p and returned cause I felt like the 6p just wasn't worth the 500 I paid for it(great phone though), went to a moto g4 plus and returned(the 617 is what kills that phone) then on cl today just looking around a Nexus 6 came up in great shape for 160 went and grab it and so far I'm liking it. It is big but at the same time it's something unique about it and the fact that it still solid and runs just as good as the 6p I have no complaints so far!
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I think you guys are doing an approach I'm likely to take: Don't get a brand-spanking new phone, but last year's great phone instead for less. The high price of the Pixel has really put me off, so I'm looking at last year's 5x or 6p too. Then next year, when the Pixel XL (or whatever) comes out, get the first Pixel.
At least this way I'll get a newer phone each year for a bit less.
The alternative is to look at the various Chinese phones. Some interesting stuff from Huawei, ZTE, OnePlus, etc. Supposedly premium phones for $300 less than the top Samsung/LG/Pixel phones.

DogzOfWar said:
The alternative is to look at the various Chinese phones. Some interesting stuff from Huawei, ZTE, OnePlus, etc. Supposedly premium phones for $300 less than the top Samsung/LG/Pixel phones.
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That's cool if you're on ATT/Tmo based carriers, but CDMA like Verizon and Sprint have strict rules on which phones will actually activate on the network. OP is on Sprint so no, he can't look at Huawei (except 6p), ZTE, OnePlus, etc...

Currently this is what Sprint will allow on their network:
iPhone 7 (Verizon only)
iPhone 7 Plus (Verizon only)
iPhone SE
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone 5s (Verizon only)
iPhone 5c (Verizon only)
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad Mini 4
iPad Mini 3
iPad Mini 2
iPad Pro
Google Pixel
Google Pixel XL
Nexus 6 (32 & 64 GB – black/white)
Nexus 5 (16 & 32 GB – black/white/red)
Nexus 5X (all versions)
Nexus 6P (all versions)
HTC One A9 (Sprint Version only)
Motorola X Pure Edition (16, 32 & 64 GB – all colors)
Samsung Galaxy S7 Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge Special Edition
Moto G4
Moto G4 Plus
I made the decision to forgo the Pixel, so I won't be getting it. That's cool if others gets the phone, but it's not visually appealing and the cost is too high, plus with a phone that expensive you'll need insurance which is another added cost.
If I did not have CDMA, then I'd get the One Plus 3. The ZTE Axon 7 is quite nice as well, but both devices are not accepted on Sprint's network.

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Currently this is what Sprint will allow on their network:
iPhone 7 (Verizon only)
iPhone 7 Plus (Verizon only)
iPhone SE
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone 5s (Verizon only)
iPhone 5c (Verizon only)
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad Mini 4
iPad Mini 3
iPad Mini 2
iPad Pro
Google Pixel
Google Pixel XL
Nexus 6 (32 & 64 GB – black/white)
Nexus 5 (16 & 32 GB – black/white/red)
Nexus 5X (all versions)
Nexus 6P (all versions)
HTC One A9 (Sprint Version only)
Motorola X Pure Edition (16, 32 & 64 GB – all colors)
Samsung Galaxy S7 Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge Special Edition
Moto G4
Moto G4 Plus
I made the decision to forgo the Pixel, so I won't be getting it. That's cool if others gets the phone, but it's not visually appealing and the cost is too high, plus with a phone that expensive you'll need insurance which is another added cost.
If I did not have CDMA, then I'd get the One Plus 3. The ZTE Axon 7 is quite nice as well, but both devices are not accepted on Sprint's network.
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I would have gotten a One Plus 3, but I'm on Verizon. Band 13 is only in my area so I don't feel like having 3G all the time lol My wife pre-ordered me a pixel xl 128 for my birthday, my n6 is starting to fritz out on me, so im going to trade it in

mikeprius said:
Currently this is what Sprint will allow on their network:
iPhone 7 (Verizon only)
iPhone 7 Plus (Verizon only)
iPhone SE
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone 5s (Verizon only)
iPhone 5c (Verizon only)
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad Mini 4
iPad Mini 3
iPad Mini 2
iPad Pro
Google Pixel
Google Pixel XL
Nexus 6 (32 & 64 GB – black/white)
Nexus 5 (16 & 32 GB – black/white/red)
Nexus 5X (all versions)
Nexus 6P (all versions)
HTC One A9 (Sprint Version only)
Motorola X Pure Edition (16, 32 & 64 GB – all colors)
Samsung Galaxy S7 Special Edition
Samsung Galaxy S7 edge Special Edition
Moto G4
Moto G4 Plus
I made the decision to forgo the Pixel, so I won't be getting it. That's cool if others gets the phone, but it's not visually appealing and the cost is too high, plus with a phone that expensive you'll need insurance which is another added cost.
If I did not have CDMA, then I'd get the One Plus 3. The ZTE Axon 7 is quite nice as well, but both devices are not accepted on Sprint's network.
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Honestly and I'm not being facetious... Please consider switching to T-Mobile. The phone choices are much better, their coverage is way better (ex project Fi customer who got a taste of sprint alongside tmo) and it's only marginally more expensive.

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I would have gotten a One Plus 3, but I'm on Verizon. Band 13 is only in my area so I don't feel like having 3G all the time lol My wife pre-ordered me a pixel xl 128 for my birthday, my n6 is starting to fritz out on me, so im going to trade it in
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That's nice of your wife to pick up the Pixel XL, I hope you enjoy it. I'm kinda of shocked that you only have 1 of 3 bands that Verizon uses. They charge quite a bit compared to T-Mobile and Sprint. I guess I am spoiled that I live in Orange County and work in LA County, so both areas and all of SoCal are pretty much saturated with towers from all the carriers. CDMA does limit things though.

khanam said:
Honestly and I'm not being facetious... Please consider switching to T-Mobile. The phone choices are much better, their coverage is way better (ex project Fi customer who got a taste of sprint alongside tmo) and it's only marginally more expensive.
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Are you on the old plans, or using the new T-Mobile ONE for $70 ? I've been considering T-Mobile for awhile...............GSM would open up more options.

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That's nice of your wife to pick up the Pixel XL, I hope you enjoy it. I'm kinda of shocked that you only have 1 of 3 bands that Verizon uses. They charge quite a bit compared to T-Mobile and Sprint. I guess I am spoiled that I live in Orange County and work in LA County, so both areas and all of SoCal are pretty much saturated with towers from all the carriers. CDMA does limit things though.
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Verizon just took over a small regional carrier only 18 months ago. I live about an hour north of Yosemite in the mountains. They have been putting up real cell towers compared to the small towers the rc had on water tanks and the sort. I think in the last year Verizon has replaced over 70 cell towers up here.....Sprint has 0 coverage, Tmo only has coverage in the main town down to the central valley. ATT is 2nd in coverage, but I don't have service inside my house, only outside. Verizon prices isn't too bad for their coverage in the mountians, especially when your wife gets an employer discount of 17% (local government employee).

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Verizon just took over a small regional carrier only 18 months ago. I live about an hour north of Yosemite in the mountains. They have been putting up real cell towers compared to the small towers the rc had on water tanks and the sort. I think in the last year Verizon has replaced over 70 cell towers up here.....Sprint has 0 coverage, Tmo only has coverage in the main town down to the central valley. ATT is 2nd in coverage, but I don't have service inside my house, only outside. Verizon prices isn't too bad for their coverage in the mountians, especially when your wife gets an employer discount of 17% (local government employee).
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Interesting. Over here in Big Bear cell reception is totally dead once you get to a certain area. You are just better turning off the phone. Modesto isn't too far from you, does Modesto have signal from all the carriers?

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Interesting. Over here in Big Bear cell reception is totally dead once you get to a certain area. You are just better turning off the phone. Modesto isn't too far from you, does Modesto have signal from all the carriers?
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Modesto is about an 1 hour and 15 min drive, yeah all carriers work there. If you drive about 45 min from where i live, all 4 major carriers have service in Oakdale.

I forgot to share this story, but it was amusing to say the least......................
A few weeks ago, I saw a young college student with a Pixel (smaller). At first it looked like an iPhone, but I took a few glances then realized it did not have the home button and was running Android so it was a Pixel. I asked her if that was the new Pixel phone. She said it was and the scrolling is very smooth with no lag, new software, and she wanted it for the "pure Android" experience and just had to get it.
I said that's great to hear and I know how the lag can be and pulled out my Nexus 6 and showed it to her. She asked me what was Nexus.....she's never heard of it before. I told her it's "pure Android". She gave me a confused look then we parted ways.

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Are you on the old plans, or using the new T-Mobile ONE for $70 ? I've been considering T-Mobile for awhile...............GSM would open up more options.
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I'm on the old 6gb for each person in the family plan. 120+ taxes for 4 lines

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I forgot to share this story, but it was amusing to say the least......................
A few weeks ago, I saw a young college student with a Pixel (smaller). At first it looked like an iPhone, but I took a few glances then realized it did not have the home button and was running Android so it was a Pixel. I asked her if that was the new Pixel phone. She said it was and the scrolling is very smooth with no lag, new software, and she wanted it for the "pure Android" experience and just had to get it.
I said that's great to hear and I know how the lag can be and pulled out my Nexus 6 and showed it to her. She asked me what was Nexus.....she's never heard of it before. I told her it's "pure Android". She gave me a confused look then we parted ways.
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I'm not even surprised that girl didn't even know what a Nexus is, the average shmo' doesn't even know what a Nexus is and I put 100% blame on Google for not using all those billions they have on advertising the Nexus line. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I been asked "what kind of phone is that?" when I've pulled it out in public or at work. I just tell them, they look at me with this confused look like I just spoke to them in a alien language and continue about their business, I just shake my head and curse Google.

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I'm not even surprised that girl didn't even know what a Nexus is, the average shmo' doesn't even know what a Nexus is and I put 100% blame on Google for not using all those billions they have on advertising the Nexus line. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I been asked "what kind of phone is that?" when I've pulled it out in public or at work. I just tell them, they look at me with this confused look like I just spoke to them in a alien language and continue about their business, I just shake my head and curse Google.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention. She was typing on an apple laptop.

Sad thing is the pixel will be a lot of the main new stream consumer first taste at a stock Android phone.... Also think it's funny how all these big YouTubers didnt like the phone when it was revealed, then pull a 180 saying it's the best phone ever.....if Google wanted to do this I have no problem with it but I have a problem they basically waited three months before release and was like "oh yea the new phone will be called pixel and the price will start at a iphone 7 price tag....." 'oh and the Nexus line is done thank you for all your support"