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Froyo Update Changes Thread - Pros and Cons

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A THREAD TO POST ISSUES WITH THE UPDATE PROCESS, ONLY ISSUES AFTER UPDATING THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSED/FIXED BY THE NEW VERSION.
In an effort to consolidate all the information into one thread, hopefully everyone can just post their own experience with the new Stock Froyo build here after having updated through Kies.
List issues you're experiencing, as well as issues that may have been fixed with this update from the previous version.
Hopefully this will cut back on thread spam and help people decide whether or not they want to try out the stock Froyo 2.2 update!
I'll start it off and say that so far I've heard that the Gallery is working great, but Avatar seems to be having DRM issues. GPS seems to be something where YMMV, some say it's great, some say it's worse.
What have you noticed?

So far all good things.
CONS: missing stock android keyboard, paid apps missing in Market until ROM is recognized.
I installed the GB KB and am good to go as far as that is concerned.

GPS in UVKA 7 still wayyy off for me, definitely a hardware issue.
I have not done any tweaks or change in settings, like a I said wayy off..

Pros (to me at least):
I noticed that the screen auto-rotation is now controllable via the notification/switch pulldown on the home screen.
I don't recall this from before, so please gently correct me if I'm wrong. While entering text, if you hold down on the entry window a blue pointer appears that you can use to place the cursor in the text easier.
Gmail improvements:
- You can reply/forward messages from the top of the email instead of having to scroll all the way to the bottom.
- You can scroll from from email to email by using arrows at the bottom of the window, instead of having to go back into inbox/outbox/etc and selecting the next email

CON: I can't get any data.
Any help?

With regards to the Calendar app, can anyone confirm whether or not you can now actually change the default calendar from My Calendar to Google? Or do you still have to change each new entry to Google when you go to add an entry into the Calendar? That was such a dumb move.... a step backwards from Android via Touch Wiz, heh.

Pros: higher Quadrant score than 2.1
Better UI
Mobile AP
Flash
Camera seems to be better in the dark now
Better battery life
Faster
Cons: No apps in the Market's Download section
Old market
Avatar is not accessible

shadrage said:
With regards to the Calendar app, can anyone confirm whether or not you can now actually change the default calendar from My Calendar to Google? Or do you still have to change each new entry to Google when you go to add an entry into the Calendar? That was such a dumb move.... a step backwards from Android via Touch Wiz, heh.
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You are able to set other calendars as the default calendar. I just created a new event and no longer does it default to the lame TouchWiz calendar.

How's the gallery perform? Does it freeze like it did after that small update T-Mobile sent out months ago?

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How's the gallery perform? Does it freeze like it did after that small update T-Mobile sent out months ago?
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The issue with the gallery lock was always random for me. So far I have had no issues moving in and out of the gallery.

Avatar doesnt launch because the mouny point for the external sd has changes. The drm issue im unsure how to remedy.
Lag is still the same.
Still cant set default home screen.
Changed calendar notifications to white background.
Skype anf yahoo apps should work now.
C2DM works for apps like Trillian (saves a lot of battery)
Will check if the exchange client still rapes battery tomorrow.
Oh, and wifi calling/sms for those of us in very low reception areas.
Data speeds seem incredible. Wifi reception inproved...
Improved txt selection copy and paste. Darker notification bar.
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I kinda feel the phone is a little bit slower. Does anybody have the same feeling?
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Major problem, the haptic feedback is really really really weak. This happened b4 when i flashed a leaked 2.2 rom and the official one does the same thing -.-, the vibration intensity is at max when ur in the settings and set it to max u get a strong vibration, however when u press any of the 4 bottom buttons and dialer u get really weak vibration, feels like its at the lowest setting. This really annoys me. Does neone know how to fix this or if a rom currently out has alrdy fixed it?

Puraw Wave said:
How's the gallery perform? Does it freeze like it did after that small update T-Mobile sent out months ago?
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I have had horrible gallery issues, every time I opened it it would freeze. It's great now, but why the hell did they go back to old pics on the top? I want my recent pics on the top.
My gps did not work, but I turned it off, reset it w the gps restore app and now it locks in maps at 30 meters to start instead of 1400 meters. (so, much improved)
Avatar does not work for me, but I updated my co worker's phone, and hers works. wth
I can't look at my display settings, it forces close, I think because I had a bunch of flipfonts installed. I uninstalled them all and it still doesn't work. Any ideas?
ETA: Haptic feedback feels fine to me

I feel the phone is a bit lag too
I want to flash back to JFD and try it from zero again.
BTW I cant root with z4root, how can I root now?

KA6 was the version released through Samsung Kies

Flashed KA7 (screw KA6..). Took awhile to boot up but made it
Gallery seems to be okay, haven't deleted any pics yet. Phone seems as snappy as it did with KA5. Data speed seems the same as well. GPS actually performs better, if not the same as KA5. Just a minute or two to lock on and failry acurate within 30FT (on my way home I was able to lock onto 6-10 sats in a few seconds). Installed GB Keyboard, no issues there. Market udpated itself, apps show up and works just fine.
All in all, works just as good as KA5 did, with maybe some minor improvments.
PS. why is the haptic feedback such a huge issue? OMG MY BUTTONS DON'T VIBRATE WHEN TOUCHED!!

shoeless said:
Pros (to me at least):
I noticed that the screen auto-rotation is now controllable via the notification/switch pulldown on the home screen.
I don't recall this from before, so please gently correct me if I'm wrong. While entering text, if you hold down on the entry window a blue pointer appears that you can use to place the cursor in the text
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Both of those have been there since at least jl4.
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Unresolved issue I noticed so far :
- Still can not delete browser bookmarks !

Haptic feedback is extremely weak.

Bugs/Suggestions of Samsung official Jellybean [XXLSJ]

Hello. Well have this last update for our devices official from samsung. And I thought on helping samsung perfecting it. So in order to so that I think we should make this thread where we all together say wich are the bugs we found. I find already 2 bugs on the email app wich leads to a lot of wakeup calls, makes the phone use alot cpu and force closes when we touch on priority mail. There are other bugs wich people found here so I think we should list them.
Rules are simple, if you find a bug, report here and say how to replicate it. We together see it, and list here to report to samsung. Also suggestions to make things better. (of bugs or things you think that could be better) ​
Since they give us a ROM. At least a perfect well done one. What do you think? They need happy costumers. Or well go elsewhere.
Ps: if you can leave logcat, I'll leave on the email all log cats attached to each bug
List of bugs:
The Email app crashes when the general options, and priority email sections are accessed.
Buggy Microsoft Exchange integration. It seems to use an excessive amount of resources causing battery drain. This problem only seems to exist within the default Email app.
Smart stay not working properly.
Samsung keyboard's gesture typing is unable to properly detect and type the whole word.
Swype Keyboard won't automatically insert a space (I don't think this is a bug due to the text field being an address bar)
Sometimes, lock screen is unresponsive.
In the app drawer, when the apps are sorted alphabetically, then as downloaded apps it crashes Touchwiz Home.
In Car Mode, TalkBack is not functioning and is very unresponsive.
Google Maps and Samsung Push Services uses an excessive amount of battery when it is not used.
Throughout the OS, there are issues with stuttering and lack of responsiveness.
Wi-Fi connection often freezes after deep sleep of around 10 - 15 minutes ("Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" is set to "Always"). Wi-Fi notification icon shows that it's connected, but no data can be sent or received. (Only solution found so far is to manually disconnect and reconnect.)
In the camera, there is a reddish blemish on the center when the camera is used in low-light situations(I believe this is a hardware issue.)
Project Butter seems to be improperly implemented.
Unable to use the handwriting function on the Samsung Keyboard because it force closes.
Nasty color banding
After reboot , changes made in launcher menu will go back to how it was in begining (for example Folders created, disapear, or just the apps inside it, will be offside)
Suggestions list:
Music Controls (most members suggest this)
Lock screen more costumizable with possibility of more than three icons, something new I found ugly the way we unlucky the screen. (votes?)
Quick reply as cm has (i find this really useful, votes?)
Option to set if we want zoom in or zoom out option in the rear of the phone while browsing
in powermore , on the browser, instead of blue, an option to keep the white.
More sms before converting to mms, or if possible a manual option for that.

Lockscreen sometimes unresponsive, and the hand writing (?
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Messaging app and contact need optimization they are laggy
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Samsung Keyboard Swype wont type all word .
Swype Keyboard wont auto space in browser only
Smart Stay doesn't work at all. and yes I have it turned on.
Sometimes lock screen is not responsive.
Change app view to alphabetical list then click the down arrow for downloaded app will force close TW.
Car Mode there is no talk back ( IE Would would you like me to do ) and very unresponsive.
Make sure to complete at leased 5 of the 7 steps on dropbox getting started to get your 50GB ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726160 )
Used Mobile Odin to Flash and Got Root
Thats all I can think of for now

Awful dark-grey notification bar.

RAM management isn't good like ICS I've noticed

Please try leave some evidence. I want to make an good written email for them. Let's collect bugs for a week and report. And do it again and again on the following days. Mainly bugs wich FC
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sometimes i cnt install apps from sd card when open source is clicked restarted and working fine till now..
sometimes when wifi is on lockscreen becomes unresponsive...
hope official release will be around the corner and will be free of bugs...

Anyone here has working the smart stay?
Don't forget if you have same bugs as others, quote it and say I have this bug also. This is to try see if is something we've done ourselfs or something of samsung
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jgcaap said:
Anyone here has working the smart stay?
Don't forget if you have same bugs as others, quote it and say I have this bug also. This is to try see if is something we've done ourselfs or something of samsung
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Yeah, working perfectly here.

kicksilver said:
Yeah, working perfectly here.
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Hmm 3 users don't have this working well. Neither me. I'll list as a bug. Let's see how many have this working
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jgcaap said:
Hmm 3 users don't have this working well. Neither me. I'll list as a bug. Let's see how many have this working
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it works fine for me...but direct all function doesnt work for me though....i havent seen anyone talking bout direct call thing so i guess its only me...

kisssin said:
it works fine for me...but direct all function doesnt work for me though....i havent seen anyone talking bout direct call thing so i guess its only me...
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Is working great for me that option. Try deactivating and activate again.
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Good idea!
Indeed, the dark grey notification bar seems not right.
Also, the lock screen doesn't always work...and music controls aren't there yet.
The screen stays on when you leave it on the table..it sometimes registers a face when it's not there.

fejth said:
Good idea!
Indeed, the dark grey notification bar seems not right.
Also, the lock screen doesn't always work...and music controls aren't there yet.
The screen stays on when you leave it on the table..it sometimes registers a face when it's not there.
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Thanks
And when is, inclined? I'll test this after sleep 7 am. Lol hope we sort this well hehe
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Battery battery & battery.

rajarshi10 said:
Battery battery & battery.
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This is not a bug. Use better battery stats to see what problem you have. I was able to get 6 hours of scree, time with standard battery
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copytec said:
Samsung Keyboard Swype wont type all word .
Swype Keyboard wont auto space in browser only
Smart Stay doesn't work at all. and yes I have it turned on.
Sometimes lock screen is not responsive.
Change app view to alphabetical list then click the down arrow for downloaded app will force close TW.
Car Mode there is no talk back ( IE Would would you like me to do ) and very unresponsive.
Make sure to complete at leased 5 of the 7 steps on dropbox getting started to get your 50GB ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726160 )
Used Mobile Odin to Flash and Got Root
Thats all I can think of for now
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Top 4 points mentioned above and also higher battery consumption

fejth said:
Good idea!
Indeed, the dark grey notification bar seems not right.
Also, the lock screen doesn't always work...and music controls aren't there yet.
The screen stays on when you leave it on the table..it sometimes registers a face when it's not there.
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Yes my screen stays on also
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I noticed that the unlock screen very sensitive but harder to open?
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After Upgrade to 4.1.2 my battery cany chrage more then 67%
i have updated to JB 4.1.2, 2 days back but i am facing a strange problem. My battery is not charging more than 67% even charging for more than 5 hours. its becoming HOT and after 67% its not charging more .. it is OK on all other Stock and Custom ROMS.

Strange Nexus 4 KitKat 4.4.2 button behaviour (could it be a bug?)

Hi!
I'm new to the XDA forums.
I have noticed a strange behaviour using buttons while exit applications on KitKat. The issue was not present in Jelly Bean, while I can notice it in KitKat. I thought it was a minor 4.4 bug, but it's still present in 4.4.2 too.
I am running Android 4.4.2 on a Nexus 4, no root, no system modifications at all.
Steps to reproduce the bug:
- Go to your home screen.
- Tap on battery settings from the quick settings dropdown menu;
- Use home button to come back to the home screen;
- Once again, tap on battery settings from the quick settings dropdown menu;
- This time, use back button to go back;
- Enjoy another background app opening for a second with no reason before going back to your home screen.
I cannot post videos since I'm a new user, but if you wanna check, the youtube code for it is 40Rs6vnx_Wc
Thanks in advance!

No one?

Yes, I've reproduced that but why should it be a bug? Or may be you should learn how the back button in android works? Why do you use it at all when you have the home button and the fast app switching button? It's a matter of time for the back button to be dropped down. Unless of course the "only one home button" thing is not patented by Apple so that back button has to stay. Remember what happened with the search button? It's gone for good. And really that back button is only useful in browsers or if you want to go backwards a sequence of actions inside a single app. Most apps use the back button to quit or run in the background.
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evdrmr said:
Yes, I've reproduced that but why should it be a bug? Or may be you should learn how the back button in android works? Why do you use it at all when you have the home button and the fast app switching button? It's a matter of time for the back button to be dropped down. Unless of course the "only one home button" thing is not patented by Apple so that back button has to stay. Remember what happened with the search button? It's gone for good. And really that back button is only useful in browsers or if you want to go backwards a sequence of actions inside a single app. Most apps use the back button to quit or run in the background.
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@evdrmr, thanks for the feedback.
I still don't get the hatred, but thank you for the time spent in reproducing the bug and confirming that I'm not the only one affected by this issue.

Yeah...der for me too... noticed it some time back while i was on 4.0 too... don't think its caused by 4.4.2 (rather not fixed by 4.4.2)...
And somehow, its always the gallery app for me...
quarara said:
Hi!
I'm new to the XDA forums.
I have noticed a strange behaviour using buttons while exit applications on KitKat. The issue was not present in Jelly Bean, while I can notice it in KitKat. I thought it was a minor 4.4 bug, but it's still present in 4.4.2 too.
I am running Android 4.4.2 on a Nexus 4, no root, no system modifications at all.
Steps to reproduce the bug:
- Go to your home screen.
- Tap on battery settings from the quick settings dropdown menu;
- Use home button to come back to the home screen;
- Once again, tap on battery settings from the quick settings dropdown menu;
- This time, use back button to go back;
- Enjoy another background app opening for a second with no reason before going back to your home screen.
I cannot post videos since I'm a new user, but if you wanna check, the youtube code for it is 40Rs6vnx_Wc
Thanks in advance!
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mananbond007 said:
Yeah...der for me too... noticed it some time back while i was on 4.0 too... don't think its caused by 4.4.2 (rather not fixed by 4.4.2)...
And somehow, its always the gallery app for me...
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@mananbond007, thanks for taking the time to checking it out

No hatred matey. It's just one of those days... You know. Last night I went to the cinema and watched The Hobbit, had only a couple of hours to sleep, woke up early... Usual stuff.
Oh, and do you know what? It could be a bug... Why don't you report it to Google or to a bug tracker? Have you checked all available 4.4.2 ROMs if they are infected with it or someone has already found a cure? Or why don't you exploit it further and write a dirty little app to gain control over people's phones through this flaw? And how the f*ck did you even find it? Sounds like an incredible amount of spare time on your hands to me. Or just a pattern based repetitive clicks due to lack of "some more important things to do"?
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Good catch. Same here on Stock 4.4.2

andr0idfreak said:
Good catch. Same here on Stock 4.4.2
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Thank you, @andr0idfreak
In the meantime, I have filed a bug in the AOSP issue tracker. Its number is 63570.

quarara said:
Thank you, @andr0idfreak
In the meantime, I have filed a bug in the AOSP issue tracker. Its number is 63570.
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Starred

Yes. Me too. For me it was my last opened app that appear and then gone.

evdrmr said:
No hatred matey. It's just one of those days... You know. Last night I went to the cinema and watched The Hobbit, had only a couple of hours to sleep, woke up early... Usual stuff.
Oh, and do you know what? It could be a bug... Why don't you report it to Google or to a bug tracker? Have you checked all available 4.4.2 ROMs if they are infected with it or someone has already found a cure? Or why don't you exploit it further and write a dirty little app to gain control over people's phones through this flaw? And how the f*ck did you even find it? Sounds like an incredible amount of spare time on your hands to me. Or just a pattern based repetitive clicks due to lack of "some more important things to do"?
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You my friend, are a pathetic douchebag. I need not say more.

AlwaysDroid said:
You my friend, are a pathetic douchebag. I need not say more.
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Thank you so much about that comparison. I like it and I wouldn't be able to think of a better phrase to describe myself. And do you know why I like it so much??? ...OFC you don't. Because Kuoshik Dutta used to be called exactly the same by many people recently and still he is one of the best developers out there. That makes me feel one step closer to the gods. Off the off-topic.
Sorry but I couldn't understand what's your opinion about the bug?
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Same here, it opens the last app. Can someone provide a link so I can report the bug with that number? 63570

Same happens here. On stock 4.4.2. Hope this is get fixed.
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I don't have that bug!

According to the bug report, it looks like the bug has been assigned to a Google engineer.

Same bug here but it happens often and with many apps. Going back and a cached app appears for a second

Things you like/dislike about Lollipop 5.0.1 on your Edge

Hello everyone,
I made this topic so everyone can mention things he/she like or dislike about new Lollipop updates and things you want Samsung to consider on the coming updates.
Things i like
1. The sound on speaker and headset seem much higher.
2. The camera app seem faster on every aspect.
3. Ability to change folders color.
4. Recent app is smoother and faster.
Things i dislike.
1. Shout icon on the camera app moved from edge part of the screen.
2. Heads-up notification is useless on the edge device and samsung was better to disable it.
Other things i leave for you guys to comment and discuss

I'm on T-mobile so I don't have lollipop update yet but I'm surprised you didn't mention ART. Do you see a significant improvement in performance? Especially in the UI. I noticed a big difference on my Note 3 when updating to Lollipop.

Don't have 5.0.1 yet, only read opinions of Note 4 users.
I heard that there is no silent mode, just only vibrations and normal sound.
Second - now you can't block calls, notifications etc. (blocking mode) from X hour to Y hour. Now it has name "ALL" (wtf?) and i heard it's worse than older "blocking mode".
For me worst thing in Lollipop is this one you mention in point 1.
Camera button on edge was perfect, and now it's in the same place like in others phones
Maybe there is chance to install camera from 4.4.4 ? Because it's only thing that keeps me from upgrading system from KK to LP.

Yep i didnt mention all goodies.
*Definitely there is a significant improvement in performance du. to ART.
*Silent mode is exist and works.
* there is 'Do not disturb' mode and you can enable schedule option and seem more advance than blocking mode.

Need more information from you. Then i will update the list in the first post

Likes:
'Places' functionality and associated edge panel
Dislikes:
With the flip case and no lock screen, on opening the cover the express me panel appears on the edge, rather than the first selected edge panel. So that means I don't have my list of app shortcuts! Even pressing 'Home' doesn't bring them up. I have to swipe the edge to get it to work

lollipop
Can i have lollipop on n915f ??

millab, I dont have that issue.... Strange it's doing that for you.
Can anyone upload the 4.4.4 camera apk? I hate the location of the camera button now...
-sent from the edge of the note galaxy-

mehdi.zombie said:
Can i have lollipop on n915f ??
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Of course you can. I am currently running lollipop, but you have to root your device and then install it via odin. If you need help just pm me and I will be glad to help.

Agree with point four (things you like) and generaly speaking UI is more smooth.
Desagree with point one you dislike. To much unintationnaly shutter trigger. So the move is welcome for me. Maybe on option/setting to have the choice will be good for everyone.
Totally agree with point two about notification redondancy.
What i miss is auto-MMS download. Looks like to be broken (BOC6).

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What i miss is auto-MMS download. Looks like to be broken (BOC6).
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I use hangouts & auto MMS download works fine.
I honestly don't dislike anything on lollipop compared to kitkat. The camera button placement is no big deal, I use voice control if it's inconvenient to use the botton.

Unfortunately even with Hangouts, auto-mms download doens't work since BOC6, stock or cooked rom (french langage)

I likey
Since NO carrier or store has the white model Edge, I opted to order the international sm-n9150 from an import/export mail order. This allowed me to use T-Mobile since they allow all unlocked phones to be brought in. And... AND I didn't realise this when I purchased it but I don't have to wait for the carrier approved OTA for lollipop, I just get the Samsung official update as soon as they release it! I will be getting international models from now on just for this reason. It's the second best thing to nexus immediate updates as I only have to wait for ONE layer of delay (Samsung's) not two (Samsung's AND the carriers). Also, no carrier bloat.
Lollipop is pretty. Material design is nice. Lots of little graphical touches add to the android UI VERY nicely. I'm aware that touch wiz negates quite a few of these touches but I still really like it.
My 4.4.4 note edge had issues where it would stutter upon touching the screen to swipe, and instead of swiping, it would register a TAP and open the app or button under my finger. This annoyance had been immediately alleviated... I can't actually remember it happening once since I updated.
ART makes a difference. Chrome and many apps scroll almost TOO fast.
Haven't objectively measured battery effect yet. So far it's no worse or better, but it's been a short time and I'm playing with the phone as lot.
Right after my update, i felt the system was choppy and stuttery. But i planned to After I update, to do a system factory reset. Recommended for such a large update, and a couple times a year anyway. After that and after a couple reboots, all the caches and temp files seem to be settled in and it's buttery smooth almost everywhere. I also activated developer options and put all my screen animations to 2x. Yes this makes them slower but oh so pretty!!!!
Notifications are so nice. I agree with earlier poster that the pop up notifications that float over the top bar could go away since the edge bar should handle that but it's a small thing.
The place where some animation chop still happens is Samsung's app drawer scrolling. It's not always but it's there very slightly. This goes away if you use a nice launcher replacement like Next Launcher or etc. I have yet to set a launcher replacement, I'm going to use the default launcher for a while to see all the changes. So far so good.
All the people complaining about radical changes for the worse when they update, are doing something wrong. Factory reset after updating!!!!

Schmurtz1968 said:
Unfortunately even with Hangouts, auto-mms download doens't work since BOC6, stock or cooked rom (french langage)
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knlgSeeker said:
I use hangouts & auto MMS download works fine.
I honestly don't dislike anything on lollipop compared to kitkat. The camera button placement is no big deal, I use voice control if it's inconvenient to use the botton.
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In earlier days of hangouts, pre Galaxy Edge, I had a devil of a time getting MMS even after they "fixed" it and other users reported it works. So I feel the pain!!!
However, I can report I just tested it again by sending pictures to myself on hangouts and:
-with mobile data OFF and WiFi on, MMS does not come in.
-with normal mobile data on, it does. This is the normal usage scenario for 99% of times anyway so I'm OK with it.
This is normal i believe l since MMS is part of a data standard that uses the cellular audio channel the way SMS does. It's an old format that needs to be replaced. (SMS too)
Anyway it does work. Ensure you are not using WiFi only is my suggestion...

Personally i love and will stay with the loly...the only thing im praying now is for xopsed to work with the edge. Hopefully they will come up with a fix soon..:thumbup:
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I hate it and I'm stuck with it. I want kitkat back on my phone.
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countryg1rl said:
I hate it and I'm stuck with it. I want kitkat back on my phone.
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Why don't you like lollipop? Im still with kitkat 4.4.4, I have AT&T, I haven't updated yet. I keep wifi OFF so it won't download...
I know about the camera button being moved, what else dont u like?
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Haven't had that much time to assess Lollipop on my SM-N915S (Exynos), but really hate the camera button, placed on the edge screen was perfect (for me) on KK
Have noticed that the kernel LMK OOM minfrees and adj have the wrong permissions and you can't change them. Fixed it in my SkyHigh custom kernel though
Also, noticed the minfree values have increased from KK, so may help keep a smoother ROM (freeing up more RAM for intensive tasks) at the expense of less multi-tasking
Device appears a little smoother, but wish Sammy would unlock 64bit for Exynos5433 device. I hate they keep it neutered for the sake of keeping Qualcomm SD 805 customers happy.
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UITA

Problems since Lollipop update
Hi. I updated to Lollipop last night and I've noticed a couple of issues today. First, I keep getting a security notice stating "Unauthorized actions have been detected." When I tap the notification, it goes away and then comes back again in a few minutes. I've tried updating my security policy, but that hasn't helped. Second, I hate the floating notifications that pop up at the same time as the edge notifications. It's like AT&T gave me the Galaxy Note 4 Update instead of the one for the Edge. Considering that they also moved the photo button to the main screen, this seems fairly likely. I've also noticed that my RAM status shows that I'm using 2.05/2.71 GB with no apps running. What?!
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Tarototh said:
Factory reset after updating!!!!
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Wouldn't a factory reset take you right back to 4.4.4 kitkat?

Budge said:
Hi. I updated to Lollipop last night and I've noticed a couple of issues today. First, I keep getting a security notice stating "Unauthorized actions have been detected." When I tap the notification, it goes away and then comes back again in a few minutes. I've tried updating my security policy, but that hasn't helped. Second, I hate the floating notifications that pop up at the same time as the edge notifications. It's like AT&T gave me the Galaxy Note 4 Update instead of the one for the Edge. Considering that they also moved the photo button to the main screen, this seems fairly likely. I've also noticed that my RAM status shows that I'm using 2.05/2.71 GB with no apps running. What?!
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Wouldn't a factory reset take you right back to 4.4.4 kitkat?
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No, factory reset keeps you on current firmware

Breath notification

Just got this device and was shocked to notice there is no breath notification setting for the lockscreen... Is there a work around for this.

jackburtonhero said:
Just got this device and was shocked to notice there is no breath notification setting for the lockscreen... Is there a work around for this.
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I am using NoLED from the play store. It works OK, but not all the features seem to work on the Force. Still I like it better than not having an LED or breathing notifications.

What is "breath notification?" I've never heard that term before.

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What is "breath notification?" I've never heard that term before.
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On the previous Moto devices with Moto Display, the notifications would "pulse." Meaning until you dismissed the notification, every few seconds, the screen would fade in and out...It was actually a great feature...They probably dumped it to save a little bit of battery life...
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Go into your Moto app. Third option should be "Display". Toggle it on. You can block specific apps from displaying by selecting "Block Apps", as I believe all apps will show by default.

After trying dozens of apps I think I found something that can work. There are several 3rd party lock screens that offer breath notifications but you end up losing the finger print reader function which was a big selling point to me. NoLed worked but you either need to shut off your lock screen or basically have two lockscreens which is kinda a pain.
So I thought maybe I just need to have the phone remind me I have a notification. I scoured the Google play store and came across an application called Recurrent Notification Manager which in my first days use seems to work. You basically tell Recurrent Notification Manager what app to monitor set the time you want the app to be refreshed and it's good to go. Best thing is you can still keep the fingerprint reader and the moto display on with the cool hand wavy thing.
It is a free app but if you want it to monitor more then one app with you have to pay $1.70. Also this app is a bit rough around the edges it's only got a 3.0 rating in the Google play store but everything seems to be working fine on my end.

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After trying dozens of apps I think I found something that can work. There are several 3rd party lock screens that offer breath notifications but you end up losing the finger print reader function which was a big selling point to me. NoLed worked but you either need to shut off your lock screen or basically have two lockscreens which is kinda a pain.
So I thought maybe I just need to have the phone remind me I have a notification. I scoured the Google play store and came across an application called Recurrent Notification Manager which in my first days use seems to work. You basically tell Recurrent Notification Manager what app to monitor set the time you want the app to be refreshed and it's good to go. Best thing is you can still keep the fingerprint reader and the moto display on with the cool hand wavy thing.
It is a free app but if you want it to monitor more then one app with you have to pay $1.70. Also this app is a bit rough around the edges it's only got a 3.0 rating in the Google play store but everything seems to be working fine on my end.
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Did you try my suggestion above?

JonnyXoom said:
Did you try my suggestion above?
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Screen only flashes once that way. I'm looking for continuous notifications until I clear the notifications.

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Screen only flashes once that way. I'm looking for continuous notifications until I clear the notifications.
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In my experience, notifications will breathe until dismissed. Motos running Marshmallow handled these notifications differently than Nougat-based Moto's now do, but it's the same in principle.

JonnyXoom said:
In my experience, notifications will breathe until dismissed. Motos running Marshmallow handled these notifications differently than Nougat-based Moto's now do, but it's the same in principle.
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Verizon updated the Z force to 7.0 and although it says in the moto app that the screen is supposed to flash in and out when you get notifications it just flashes once.

jackburtonhero said:
After trying dozens of apps I think I found something that can work. There are several 3rd party lock screens that offer breath notifications but you end up losing the finger print reader function which was a big selling point to me. NoLed worked but you either need to shut off your lock screen or basically have two lockscreens which is kinda a pain.
So I thought maybe I just need to have the phone remind me I have a notification. I scoured the Google play store and came across an application called Recurrent Notification Manager which in my first days use seems to work. You basically tell Recurrent Notification Manager what app to monitor set the time you want the app to be refreshed and it's good to go. Best thing is you can still keep the fingerprint reader and the moto display on with the cool hand wavy thing.
It is a free app but if you want it to monitor more then one app with you have to pay $1.70. Also this app is a bit rough around the edges it's only got a 3.0 rating in the Google play store but everything seems to be working fine on my end.
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I was able to get NoLED to work. However, when you have a notification on the blank (or maybe lock) screen you have to dismiss it by touching the home button. Once I do that I touch the fingerprint scanner and the phone unlocks. It is an extra touch, but not too bad. I will check out the app you reference above as well.

Smithfolk4 said:
I was able to get NoLED to work. However, when you have a notification on the blank (or maybe lock) screen you have to dismiss it by touching the home button. Once I do that I touch the fingerprint scanner and the phone unlocks. It is an extra touch, but not too bad. I will check out the app you reference above as well.
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That was the exact same experience I had with NoLed. It wasn't awful just another touch to unlock.

jackburtonhero said:
Verizon updated the Z force to 7.0 and although it says in the moto app that the screen is supposed to flash in and out when you get notifications it just flashes once.
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I'm on Verizon and on 7.0. Flashes until I dismiss it.

JonnyXoom said:
I'm on Verizon and on 7.0. Flashes until I dismiss it.
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Are you sure?

JonnyXoom said:
I'm on Verizon and on 7.0. Flashes until I dismiss it.
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Could you please let us know if that happens? You are an onwer of the new lenovo's moto, right? If some verizon's phones has this function, I would like to share your MotoDisplay.apk from the path system/priv-app/MotoDisplay/.
Thank you in advance!

tsoump said:
Could you please let us know if that happens? You are an onwer of the new lenovo's moto, right? If some verizon's phones has this function, I would like to share your MotoDisplay.apk from the path system/priv-app/MotoDisplay/.
Thank you in advance!
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Unfortunately, I no longer own this phone. I posted this nearly two years ago.