Simultaneous use of OTG and mhl - Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Greetings,
How can I get simultaneous use of OTG and mhl to work on my S5? SM-G900I
Thanks!

I have the Samsung Smart Dock, which provides that and works with the Note 4 (and some earlier Notes and Galaxy S). The water resistant port cover stops me from trying it with the S5 though, and I don't want to take that off right now. Unfortunately it's not easy to get an extension cable to try it either, due to the custom pin layout used for MHL on the S3 onwards.

@arghness thanks for the input - I found conflicting feedback saying it doesn't work with the S5. what is the model number for the smart dock you have? I'd really appreciate if you could give it a go
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Smart-Multimedia-Active/dp/B009QW3TBK#Ask
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-S20JWEGSTA
Samsung Smart Dock EDD-S20JWE, EDD-S20KWK, EDD-S20JWEGSTA, EDD-S20EWEG, EDD-S20EWE,
There are quite a few model number associated with this dock
Compatible with the Galaxy Note II, Galaxy S4, and Galaxy Mega (Not compatible with Galaxy Note 3 or Galaxy S 5)

Ah, okay. There are definitely posts (and videos) of it working with a Note 4 and I've actually had mine working with a Note 3.
On my S5, I can't even get the dock far enough in to the port for charging, due to the port protecting flap. Even without that, it might be an issue because the port is recessed in to the body so that the flap is flush with the outside of the case.
I still get the feeling that all the support is still there, if we could get a working extension cable. There's this: http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-mhl-ext-xxg.html but I've heard that it doesn't even work properly with Note 2 (from an XDA post).
You're probably out of luck, sorry. I was hoping to be able to get it working as well.

hmm..okay, i've bought the smart dock, will give it a go when it arrives

jazzaddict said:
hmm..okay, i've bought the smart dock, will give it a go when it arrives
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Any updates?

derekb123 said:
Any updates?
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With further research
It looks like the S5 does not support simultaneous use of OTG and MHL as samsung implemented a 5-pin mini usb connector. Unlike the S 3/4 and note 2/3/4 where 11-pins mini usb connector enable simultaneous use of OTG and MHL. I don't understand why Samsung downgraded the S5.
More details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...-USB-to-HDMI_adapter_and_tip_.28eleven-pin.29

jazzaddict said:
With further research
It looks like the S5 does not support simultaneous use of OTG and MHL as samsung implemented a 5-pin mini usb connector. Unlike the S 3/4 and note 2/3/4 where 11-pins mini usb connector enable simultaneous use of OTG and MHL. I don't understand why Samsung downgraded the S5.
More details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...-USB-to-HDMI_adapter_and_tip_.28eleven-pin.29
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So there's really no way to unlock this phone with broken screen then right?

derekb123 said:
So there's really no way to unlock this phone with broken screen then right?
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I don't think it is possible
More info here:
http://www.galaxymhl.com/
Samsung probably downgrade S5 to a standard 5-pin micro usb connector to ensure broad compatibility with mhl adapater - this also prevented simultaneous use of OTG and mhl since in a 5 pins usb connector the same signalling wires are use for both mhl and usb-otg.

the S5 implement micro usb 3.0, I'm wondering if there is any adapter out there that can convert this into a 11-pin micro usb 2.0 connector??

jazzaddict said:
With further research
It looks like the S5 does not support simultaneous use of OTG and MHL as samsung implemented a 5-pin mini usb connector. Unlike the S 3/4 and note 2/3/4 where 11-pins mini usb connector enable simultaneous use of OTG and MHL. I don't understand why Samsung downgraded the S5.
More details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile...-USB-to-HDMI_adapter_and_tip_.28eleven-pin.29
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That post doesn't say that MHL/OTG isn't possible with the S5, it doesn't mention the S5 at all. The pages I've seen seem to indicate that it's still 11 pin:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s5+11+pin&oq=s5+11+pin
And other pages indicate that it can do MHL and have power, but that power is optional, unlike the S3:
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2014/02/05/mhl-adapter-samsung-galaxy-need/
They don't say whether OTG can be done concurrently, though, but I don't see why not.

I have a "11pin mhl v1.0 to hdmi adapter cable" that works fine with mirroring my S5 (SM-G900I lollipop) to an HDMI Display (Monitor or TV). The cable doesn't have usb input to test otg at the same time though. This cable also charges my S5 while mirroring.
I am interested in using my S5 as a desktop pc so would like to know if any one has had success with mirroring thier S5 on a TV/Monitor and using a Mouse & Keyboard at the same time!!!
TIA

any updates? Have someone found an adapter that does mhl and otg at the same time.... I have tried one adapter that does not work and asks several sellers on ebay about other adapters and all said either they don't know or it does not work simultaneously....

No adapter but you can use samsung sidesync between phone and pc.

sidesync? I want to convert my phone into a desktop/tv box and I don't want to use bluetooth

sidesync converts your phone in to an android pc using your pc's monitor,mouse,keyboard through usb cable or wifi. Your phone will display on the monitor like screen mirroring and you use your pc's mouse and keyboard to navigate and type.
sidesync wont work with tv because you need to install sidesync on pc.

ah ok thx interesting but it defeats the purpose of autonomy

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[Q] A few questions about connecting the Galaxy Note (Int ver) to HDTV/projector

Hi, I have a few questions in regard to connecting the Galaxy Note to the HDTV/projector.
Q1: Is it true that no matter which adapter I use, I need to supply power to the adapter? If so, could you please let me know the reason? I guess this can be done by connecting the stock AC adapter which came with the Note to the adapter via a usb cable.
Q2: In a retail store, I found the adapter in transparent plastic packaging. However, in other stores such as the Samsung store, I found one in white paper packaging (like the one shown in the attachment. I know the one being shown is for the S3). What is the difference? I asked Samsung but they only asked me to buy from their store which does not offer any discount.
Q3: What is the difference between a HML Adapter vs. a HDTV Adapter?
Q4: In some postings, some people mentioned that they could connect the Galaxy Note to a projector by serially connecting the two devices via the HDTV Adapter and a HDMI-VGA adapter. Others said that the Galaxy Note cannot output VGA signals. I am a bit confused. Is there an adapter that is capable of connecting the Note to the HDTV and a projector (of course not at the same time)? An adapter that can do so without external power is the most desirable.
Thanks.
1. Yes u need the power adapter, as phone doesnt hv enough power to output hdmi signal.
2. Mhl cable outputs digital hdmi out for an hdtv/ digital screen.
3. I would buy the one in plastic box for s2 n note. Other seems to be for s3- and i hear it has a different pin configuration. Tho im not 100% sure. I can confirm s2 adapter - in see thru plastic box works.
4. You need an hdmi to vga adapter for analog projectors, this converts digital to analog- once u have that u can project via that. I hv a projector wit dvi, if u hv a simillar projector u dont need such a converter but a cable.
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[SOLVED] MHl without adapter?

Hello,
my screen supports MHL out of the box - a cable followed along with it.
Do I really have to buy the S4 MHL Adapter for getting it to work?
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Thanks for answers! Looks like it requires 11PIN MHL
ColdIce23 said:
Hello,
my screen supports MHL out of the box - a cable followed along with it.
Do I really have to buy the S4 MHL Adapter for getting it to work?
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You will need a MHL MicroUSB to HDMI Adapter
SevenD2 said:
You will need a MHL MicroUSB to HDMI Adapter
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That's what followed along with my screen, a MHL cable (microusb to HDMI)
ColdIce23 said:
That's what followed along with my screen, a MHL cable (microusb to HDMI)
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Then it should work, you should try, if it's going through the micro usb then theres not high chance it will brick your phone
SevenD2 said:
Then it should work, you should try, if it's going through the micro usb then theres not high chance it will brick your phone
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Well, it's a 5-pin MHL to HDMI, is that the problem?
Wikipedia said:
Connectors
As noted in the 'Features' section, the MHL standard is connector agnostic. The different types of connections, include:
5-pin MHL-HDMI adapter/dongle
The first implementations use the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular TV connection (HDMI). Other than the physical connectors, USB and HDMI technology are not being used. It is exclusively MHL signaling through the connectors and over the cable.
11-pin MHL-HDMI adapter/dongle
The Samsung Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note II and Galaxy S4 use a connector that is similar to the original 5-pin MHL-HDMI adapter/dongle, but it uses 11-pins in order to achieve a few functional improvements over the 5-pin design.
It supports the use of USB and MHL simultaneously. (Note that the new Samsung 11-pin MHL-HDMI adapter also has a USB On-The-Go port).
Samsung’s Galaxy S III/ Note 2 can power the MHL-HDMI adapter (when used with a non-MHL-compatible-TV). Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality.
The Galaxy S III was the first MHL device to use a different connector - one that is not compatible with all other MHL devices and accessories.[9]
MHL cable [edit]
Passive cables are also available at retail that allows consumers to connect an MHL-enabled device directly to an MHL TV.
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From Wiki
If your 5 pin doesn't work then it will require any 11 pin version (I think)

MHL 2.0 and OTG together

Hi All,
I am using Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I bought MHL 2.0 and OTG cables.
Both are working fine, if it is used separately.
Meaning, connecting MHL cable to T.V's HDMI for watching movies, videos in bigger screen is superb.
Similiarly, connecting OTG for external thumb drive, keyboard and mouse are nice feature.
I want to use both MHL and OTG cable (wireless keyboard / mouse USB dongle connected to OTG), so that I can watch it in TV and also use mouse and keyboard. I have tried the below options:
Option1:
Connected MHL to TV and Note 3. In MHL we have micro USB for power but for Note 3, MHL don't need the separate power supply and so I have tried connecting OTG to the MHL power, but it is not detected
Option 2:
I have googled and came to know Samsung Smart Hub Dock, but it says not compatiable for Note 3 and S5
Option 3:
Googled more and got this "VicTsing® Multi-functional 3 in 1 Connection Kit USB OTG" but unfortunately this also mentioned not supported to use both MHL and OTG at the same time.
Week back only I have bought new wireless keyboard and mouse for $90 and don't want to spend again in buying bluetooth keyboard and mouse which would cost (more than $150)
Any suggestions on how to connect MHL (for HDMI) and OTG(for connecting wireless keyboard/mouse) at the same time
I can offer you some work arounds. I personally use BT mouse and keyboard. (BTW a kind of stupid oversight I use microsoft sculpt bt mouse that I remember specifically states on the box full android functionality not that I cared at the time, anyway when only the mouse is connected I cant get the on screen keyboard to work as if the mouse HID is recodnized as both)
there are more then a few software sollutions involving sharing HID via Wifi through your pc and router or computer to phone BT connection. or aby tablet as remote on screen HID but I think having a good cheap BT set near by is generally usefull for more then a few things so I do believe its worth the one time spending.
On another note I couldent figure out if Samsung has a Multimedia Dock Specifically for Note 3 since it would be more then ideal
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There is one that works
See this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/accessories/mhl-usb-otg-t1741583/page22
SKU: 238273 on DealExtreme DX.com
That is the one I have and the same one "brb8two" mentions in comment #217.
It works perfect with my S4 and also works with my Wireless Xbox receiver, but it is MHL 1.0 which I believe is NOT a full 60frames or whatever, so it may appear slightly laggy but not bad and definitley better than the Samsung hub option for $99.
If you come across one with MHL 2.0 please let me know. Haven't been able to find one yet.

[Q] sm- t530nu MHL/screen mirroring

Hey Everyone,
I just recently purchased a SM-t530nu,apple magic trackpad, apple wireless keyboard and a AUVIO Universal MHL Adapter. My goal was to be able to attach it to my HDTV and sit back and browse with my trackpad and keyboard. The keyboard and trackpad work great, no problems there. The issue i'm having is the MHL adapter does not seem to work for me. It has a micro USB plus and a "s" adapter that says it is for a Samsung galaxy s 3. I have tried it with and without the adapter and no luck. From the information I have read this model does support MHL. Is it simply the AUVIO one I am using or have I misread and this infact DOESNT support the MHL feature. It is the tab 4 10.1" as I am sure most of you know from the model number. Has anyone successfully used a MHL adapter to connect this model with a TV? If so could you possible share a link/ model number of the one I will need to make it work? Im also curious about the screen mirroring feature i've noticed in my settings. What would be the CHEAPEST device available to use this feature? Thanks in advance for the help everyone!
lwg45714 said:
Hey Everyone,
I just recently purchased a SM-t530nu,apple magic trackpad, apple wireless keyboard and a AUVIO Universal MHL Adapter. My goal was to be able to attach it to my HDTV and sit back and browse with my trackpad and keyboard. The keyboard and trackpad work great, no problems there. The issue i'm having is the MHL adapter does not seem to work for me. It has a micro USB plus and a "s" adapter that says it is for a Samsung galaxy s 3. I have tried it with and without the adapter and no luck. From the information I have read this model does support MHL. Is it simply the AUVIO one I am using or have I misread and this infact DOESNT support the MHL feature. It is the tab 4 10.1" as I am sure most of you know from the model number. Has anyone successfully used a MHL adapter to connect this model with a TV? If so could you possible share a link/ model number of the one I will need to make it work? Im also curious about the screen mirroring feature i've noticed in my settings. What would be the CHEAPEST device available to use this feature? Thanks in advance for the help everyone!
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USB HOST is not supported yet, so nothing besides the USB Charging/Data cable will work
[Edit] Whoops I thought it said SMT230NU, never mind but I don't know though
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Samsung Dex not connecting to monitor

Hi, i have a tab s6lite with Oneui 3.1 and android 11
Using an external usb-c hub dex won't connect to my hdmi monitor.
What should i do? Is there something i can do to make it work? Maybe with a rom?
thanks
Hi, I think you have already found the answer, but if anybody else would be looking for it, the answer is simple: unfortunately, Tab S6 lite has only USB 2.0 through the type-C connector, not USB 3.x, as the other S tablets do and as everybody would expect...
It's also unfortunate, that no review is mentioning this...
_smasho_ said:
Hi, i have a tab s6lite with Oneui 3.1 and android 11
Using an external usb-c hub dex won't connect to my hdmi monitor.
What should i do? Is there something i can do to make it work? Maybe with a rom?
thanks
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What model of USB-C hub are you using? When you plug it in, does it mirror to the monitor? If it doesn't, it's likely the hub, not the tablet. Not all of them are compatible with DeX.
Update: After doing some more research, it seems the Tab S6 Lite does not support Mobile HD Link (MHL). You can screen mirror via wireless (ChromeCast or MirrorCast), but DeX won't work.
Since it is hardware level, a custom ROM will not work.
vasek.x1 said:
Hi, I think you have already found the answer, but if anybody else would be looking for it, the answer is simple: unfortunately, Tab S6 lite has only USB 2.0 through the type-C connector, not USB 3.x, as the other S tablets do and as everybody would expect...
It's also unfortunate, that no review is mentioning this...
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Absolutely not true. The Tab S6 Lite is USB 3.x compatible. It is because Samsung didn't include MHL on its Sx Lite line of tablets.
gernerttl said:
Absolutely not true. The Tab S6 Lite is USB 3.x compatible. It is because Samsung didn't include MHL on its Sx Lite line of tablets.
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Well, I expect the Samsung documentation doesn't lie too much: https://www.samsung.com/uk/tablets/galaxy-tab-s/galaxy-tab-s6-lite-blue-128gb-lte-sm-p615nzbebtu.
I also tested the USB speed, which is roughly about 30 MB/s, thus a bit above half of the theoretical limit of USB 2.0. It does not mean the port is not 3.x compatible (= possible to connect to USB 3.x ports...). However, it's really only USB 2.0, like on many cheap phones with type-C connector. And of course, as you have mentioned, MHL was not implemented in S6 lite's USB 2.0 port. If it would be USB 3.x, then it shall have (typically) HDMI-Alternate mode (it is true that there's no standard to this and it can support either HDMI or MHL or DisplayPort or ThunderBolt or neither of these ). And when the manufacturer would think about including MHL in USB 2.0 type-C port, then it makes technically better sense to go with USB 3.2 directly (as it uses the same number of wires and MHL or HDMI would need more hardware anyway and together it will bring more customers )... So that's why mentioning the USB 2.0 in datasheet makes sense and explains quite a lot (without searching for MHL implementation...).
Thanks for the correction. USB 2 is capable of screen mirroring. It needs MHL though.
_smasho_ said:
Hi, i have a tab s6lite with Oneui 3.1 and android 11
Using an external usb-c hub dex won't connect to my hdmi monitor.
What should i do? Is there something i can do to make it work? Maybe with a rom?
thanks
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there's some cables that use screencast over wire sounds a bit strange but it works relatively good, better than cast itself look at this:

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