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I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?
I am not sure, but in the fcc documents for the N7105 there's no mention of lte at all.
So I believe that the n7105 is the international without lte.
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If you live in the US, you want LTE. It's awesome in every respect. It's like having a FIOS line in the palm of your hand.
In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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mix1987 said:
In Singapore, Note 1's model number is GT-N7000 while Note 1 LTE is GT-N7005. I do believe that Samsung's naming format for their international handsets doesn't differ from country to country. Therefore GT-N7105 is Note II LTE. just my educated guess.
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Correct! The models ending with 05 are LTE
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I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.
From what I can tell, even if you happen to buy out of country versions that are compatible for some LTE frequencies for example AT&T, it may not be as compatible as phones you would get from AT&T directly because of the mix and match LTE spectrums that AT&T and all other carriers have purchased. I'm guessing the days of importing International versions are over if you care about good LTE coverage.
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There are at least 5 different versions if not more. Although it is LTE capable, the version sold for England does not have a LTE chip, The German one does but it will not work on ATT. There are no LTE networks in Europe that I know about compatible with ATT LTE bands. If you buy one in Europe plan on using 3G and 2G on ATT. Make sure it has these bands:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT uses 850 and 1900 for 2G and 3G. You need both.
To use ATT LTE you need a chip for this:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100.
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Negri lists as follows:
Negri Electronics (Las Vegas) pre order lists the Note 2 as follows:
3G/4G bands 850 , 900 , 1900 , 2100
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
If accurate, this will work with ATT LTE, yes?
here is the lte version from hk web site but not yet official by samsung.
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=145083
according to what you can read here : http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
N7105 is LTE for LTE2600 (B7) and LTE800 (B20). Those frequencies have choosen for LTE in France
I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?
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I wonder if the Korean LTE one released today will work in uk when our 4g is up and running. Anyone know?
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Unfortunately not. I believe that South Korean LTE is on 1800MHz. Post auction UK LTE frequencies are 800MHz and 2600MHz (these are the bands to be auctioned off before the end of 2012). However, it will likely work on EE's Interim LTE network.
Everything Everywhere will launch an 'interim 4G' solution, running LTE on some of its unused 1800MHz spectrum (from the T-Mobile/Orange Merger). This will be rolled out to 16 cities before the end of the year. EE 4G is up and running as we speak, but only for dongles, and one cannot yet buy a phone on contract from them.
Aside from that, O2 and Vodafone have lots of spectrum at 900MHz, depending on what they secure at 800MHz, they might ask ofcom to allow them to run LTE on 900MHz, likely siting ofcoms agreement to allow EE to run LTE on 1800MHz as ammunition!
Three (which only had 2100MHz spectrum since its a 3G only provider), has bought some 1800MHz spectrum off EE. They have not yet declared what they will use this for, but one would suspect limited 'interim 4G' like EE.
There are basically no phones out there at the moment that support both post-auction UK LTE frequencies (800MHz and 2600MHz). France apparently uses 800MHz and 2600MHz although only the latter is currently live. There is a note 2 variant on its way that does 800/2600MHz. Lots more will follow.
The problem we have in the UK, is that we might end up with 4 LTE bands: 800MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz and 2600MHz !!! No phones are going to be doing all this lot anytime soon. (I was wrong: Nokia Lumnia 920 does, Samsungs do not yet)
Additionally, what happens post-auction to EE's (and perhaps 3's) LTE network at 1800MHz - are they just going to shut it down (one would assume not!) If not then future phones for that network will need to do 800,1800 and 2600MHz. Will they cover the initial 16 cities with 800/2600MHz as well as 1800MHz to keep the early adopters happy?
UK LTE is a mess. Its partially DSO (TV digital switchover) that's to blame, but ofcom could have sold off the 2600MHz spectrum some time ago, and then done the 800MHz auctions after DSO. This is the way that France chose to run its auctions. If ofcom had done this then we could have had 4G 12-18 months ago, and we could not have ended up with half-way-house 1800MHz LTE from the likes of EE.
Anyway to answer your question, if you get any of EE's current phones: iPhone5, SGS3, Lumnia 920, (and, if they announce it, Note 2 - Korean) etc then these ONLY do 1800MHz LTE EE's 'Interim LTE' (and perhaps 700 and 2100MHz LTE - which are useless in UK). Early next year, EE will start to spread coverage outwith those initial 16 cities, but they will do this using the 800MHz and 2600MHz LTE they won at auction.
That phone you got from them wont work on these post-auction LTE frequencies. You'll likely be on a two year contract, paying dearly for the fact that you adopted LTE early since those that waited would enjoy much better LTE coverage from their later-generation phones. On top of that, your phone, not having the right radio's for UK LTE will be worth sweet FA on ebay!
The operator arguments over the 800 and 2600MHz bands have hardly started yet. If O2/Voda get permission to run LTE on their 900MHz spectrum (and are also allowed to bit on 800MHz), you can bet you house that the operators without 900MHz aint gonna be happy!
What really gets me regarding all the arguments, is that neither O2, vodafone nor (to a lesser extent) orange ever bothered to implement 3G properly. It works in cities, thats about it. Only Three and T-Mobile actually implemented a reasonable 3G network that covered most of the UK.
Personally, I would forget about LTE for 18 months until there is a viable network, and some viable hardware that is actually able to take advantage of all the LTE infrastructure no matter what frequency is happens to run on! I certainly would not be signing up with EE (or three if they do 1800MHz LTE) for 2 years, just to be the first - as there's good potential to get caught out 9-12 months down the line.
For the operators, there are other issues at 800MHz. Folk living close to base stations are likely to loose the freeview muxes that are sat in the low 800MHz. In simple cases, this is fixed by a filter, in other cases, it will require a new roof antenna, while for some other folks, it will require a switch from freeview-freesat. One of the conditions attached to the 800MHz spectrum is that the mobile operator needs to fix-up the TV signal's for any customer that is likely to be effected. This will also reduce the radiation patterns, and thus range of the base stations in certain directions. Ofcom will only allow switch-on of the BS once the MO has fixed up all potential TV reception issues. Its going to cost them a fortune!
NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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NB: What what I have seen thus far, Galaxy S3 and Note 2 don't do 1800,800 & 2600 in the same device. BUT Nokia Lumnia 920 does.
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I didn't realise just how many Note II variations have been / are being released!
GT-N7105
LTE2600 (B7), LTE800 (B20)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3807&c=samsung_gt-n7105_galaxy_note_ii_lte_32gb
SGH-i317
LTE700 (B17), LTE1700/2100 (B4)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3826&view=1&c=samsung_sgh-i317_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SHV-E250S
LTE850 (B5)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3851&view=1&c=samsung_shv-e250s_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SPH-L900 (CDMA)
LTE1900 (B2), LTE1900 (B25)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3832&c=samsung_sph-l900_galaxy_note_ii_lte
SCH-R950 (CDMA)
LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1900 (B2), LTE700 (B12)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3877&c=samsung_sch-r950_galaxy_note_ii_lte
Reading the following suggests that the Korean version (N7105?) supports all three networks - SKT, KT and LG U+:
http://sammyhub.com/2012/09/26/samsung-announces-galaxy-note-ii-for-south-korea/
... and, according to the following article, the only frequency supported by KT is 1800Mhz:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/15...e-for-8001800-mhz-lte-service-on-next-iphone/
This would suggest that the Note 2 for Korea supports 800, 1800 & 2600Mhz.
Korean versions:
SK's SHV-E250S Supports Band 3 and 5
KT's SHV-E250K Supports Band 3 and 8
LG's SHV-E250U Supports Band 1 and 5
So basically if I'm on ATT here in the states with my Note 1, I should cool my jets and wait for the official US ATT version comes out instead of jumping the gun and getting an international version. Am I correct?
This GT-N7105 sold on NegriElectronics details these LTE bands:
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4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100
Unfortunately, I think Negri Electronics is misinformed over the specs of the N7105. Although they list the necessary LTE bands for AT&T, I believe that may be incorrect. According to Android Authority and the FCC, the N7105 does not support USA/Canada LTE bands sadly... I hope we're all proven wrong soon though!
Alternatively, assuming all other features and hardware of the AT&T/Rogers Note II are exactly the same as the international N7105, then it's likely possible that we can simply flash N7105 firmware out of the box, but continue to use the modem.bin from the carrier firmware for continued LTE functionality. That's what I did with my OG AT&T branded Galaxy Tab, and it worked brilliantly!
So, to recap:
1. Int'l N7105 is likely NOT North American LTE friendly :'(
2. North American carrier branded GSM/LTE Note 2's will likely have 99.9% identical hardware to Int'l N7105 (the .1% difference being the tweaked LTE radio and modem.bin driver file)
3. Possible workaround for North American users would be to get GSM carrier Note 2, retain modem.bin from carrier firmware, flash Int'l N7105 firmware, flash carrier modem.bin, and viola! North American LTE friendly Int'l Note 2!
Hmmm, I may have to contact them for clarification and cancel my order if that's the case.
Will update when I get feedback from them.
Edit: Talked with a Negri CS rep, and he suggested I cancel my pre-order and wait until they receive units to verify compatibility. That's what I have just done.
Engadget have a review up with the lte bands and model numbers. BUT
they don't list the 7105 as having band 1800 which is EEs network yet EE are set to sell the lte variant next week. :-/
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EE's LTE Variant
T-Mobile UK called me yesterday to confirm that they've received stock of the Note 2 LTE. I received a text to confirm that one of these is scheduled for delivery to my home within the next four hours (by midday UK time). Once it arrives, hopefully I can tell you exactly which bands in addition to band 3 (if any) are supported.
Spoke to someone who I trust on the inside and was told Verizon has the Note in hand & is testing it.
They are modifying it and working the kinks out. Conservative estimates are that it will release in February 2014...but the absolute latest is April 2014. These are conservative estimates and it could possibly release earlier.
This is good news. If Verizon is testing it, that means they have a version with 700MHz LTE (and likely 1700/2100/2600 as well).
Currently on the fence about buying the European version with its limited LTE capability. Please keep us updated if you hear more!
don't mean to hijack the thread but dont feel this warrants a new thread...
Will the European Note 10.1 LTE work on all AT&Ts bands or will it be limited?
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Will the European Note 10.1 LTE work on all AT&Ts bands or will it be limited?
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It will be limited on LTE. AT&T uses 700MHz and 1700/2100MHz for LTE. I'm unsure if they use 2600MHz as well. The three Canadian carriers use 2600MHz for their 150Mbps LTE Max network, which is has limited coverage in major cities.
The European P605 supports 850/900/1900/2100/2600.
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It will be limited on LTE. AT&T uses 700MHz and 1700/2100MHz for LTE. I'm unsure if they use 2600MHz as well. The three Canadian carriers use 2600MHz for their 150Mbps LTE Max network, which is has limited coverage in major cities.
The European P605 supports 850/900/1900/2100/2600.
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What does limited mean?
I'm not entirely aware of how AT&T's LTE setup is, but according to reports there are some areas where they are using 1900MHz and 2100MHz for LTE signals. The note will have connectivity in those areas. However their main frequencies are 700 and 1700 I believe, so in most areas you wont see an LTE signal.
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I'm not entirely aware of how AT&T's LTE setup is, but according to reports there are some areas where they are using 1900MHz and 2100MHz for LTE signals. The note will have connectivity in those areas. However their main frequencies are 700 and 1700 I believe, so in most areas you wont see an LTE signal.
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I'm in San Diego how do we find out what MHz the area is using?
Hey everyone!
I've been looking on the OnePlus forums lately, and lots of people have questions about carrier compatibility with the One. Personally, carrier compatibility is the biggest factor when it comes to buying an unlocked phone, so I decided to make this thread to help guide people with compatibility with their carriers. According to OnePlus's website, the bands that are supported are as follows:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE: Bands: 1/3/4/7/17/38/40
Now, I am going to start with USA compatibility. If anyone else would like me to add compatibility with their carrier, please reply to the thread, and I'll see what I can do. Hopefully, this will benefit all members of the community.
USA
AT&T
2G/EDGE/GPRS : Supported on both 850 and 1900 MHz bands
3G/UMTS/HSPA : Supported on both bands 2 and 5.
LTE : Only supported on bands 4 and 17. Bands 2 and 30 are not supported; however, they are usually only deployed to create extra bandwidth in high capacity areas. Band 17 is AT&T's major LTE band.
MVNOs of AT&T : Straight Talk, Net10, AIO
T-Mobile
2G/EDGE/GPRS : Supported on both 850 and 1900 MHz bands
3G/UMTS/HSPA : Supported on both bands 2 and 4 ("4G" HSPA+)
LTE: Supported on currently deployed Band 4. However, T-Mobile plans to deploy Bands 2 and 12 to extend coverage. So, if you have LTE signal now, you're okay. If you don't, then you most likely never will with the One.
MVNOs of T-Mobile : MetroPCS, Ultra Mobile, Lycamobile, Straight Talk, Net10
Sprint
INCOMPATIBLE
Verizon
INCOMPATIBLE
TELUS Details
TELUS is one of the 9 cellular networks in Canada. TELUS is owned and operated by Koodo Mobility and Telus Mobility
TELUS has an average 3G download speed of 4.3 Mb/s, which is better than the global average of 1.8 Mb/s.
TELUS is a 4G network. 4G is the latest generation of cellular technology, allowing high definition video streaming and crystal clear voice calls. We first recorded TELUS 4G on the 11th of Nov 2011. TELUS has an average 4G download speed of 15 Mb/s, which is than the global average of 8.1 Mb/s.
TELUS uses the UMTS 850 / UMTS 1900 frequency bands for its network
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How to figure out whether AT&T or T-Mobile would be best for Straighttalk?
UNITED KINGDOM
It'll work fine on:
EE (Bands 3 & 7 supported by OPO)
Partially:
Three (Band 3 supported, Band 20 isn't by OPO. Band 20 people say will be used for rural areas)
No LTE:
O2 and Vodafone (Both use Band 20 which isn't support by OPO)
3G will obviously be fine however.
Sources:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/c...clear-up.8034/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...etworks#Europe
dracinn said:
How to figure out whether AT&T or T-Mobile would be best for Straighttalk?
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You check the coverage map in your area for each of those providers. The one with better service in your area is the one to go for.
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FuMMoD said:
You check the coverage map in your area for each of those providers. The one with better service in your area is the one to go for.
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Thanks AT&T (Straighttalk) for me.
dracinn said:
Thanks AT&T (Straighttalk) for me.
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That's the cool thing about ST you get the choice of 2 different providers. Glad you were able to figure out the better of the two for your uses. Don't forget to check in areas where you frequently travel to as well.
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http://forums.oneplus.net/threads/carrier-confusion-clear-up.8034/
More carriers and more countries that it's compatible with
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treChoy said:
T-Mobile
LTE: Supported on currently deployed Band 4. However, T-Mobile plans to deploy Bands 2 and 12 to extend coverage. So, if you have LTE signal now, you're okay. If you don't, then you most likely never will with the One.
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I have the Samsung Galaxy Light SGH-T399. It works on T-M's current LTE 1700/2100MHz (band 4), but also 700MHz (band 17), which T-M just purchased from Verizon. A few other newer T-M phones are also made to work on this 700Mhz band. It seems that they were planning ahead.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...TE-network-with-spectrum-from-Verizon_id51000
http://www.phonearena.com/news/As-s...can-look-forward-to-faster-4G-service_id55705
The OnePlus One also works on this 700HMz (band 17) frequency.
Good news for those lucky enough to have LTE with T-Mobile. The 700 band penetrates buildings better, so you'll have a better signal inside Wal*Mart or if you live deep inside a large apartment complex.
Planterz said:
I have the Samsung Galaxy Light SGH-T399. It works on T-M's current LTE 1700/2100MHz (band 4), but also 700MHz (band 17), which T-M just purchased from Verizon. A few other newer T-M phones are also made to work on this 700Mhz band. It seems that they were planning ahead.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...TE-network-with-spectrum-from-Verizon_id51000
http://www.phonearena.com/news/As-s...can-look-forward-to-faster-4G-service_id55705
The OnePlus One also works on this 700HMz (band 17) frequency.
Good news for those lucky enough to have LTE with T-Mobile. The 700 band penetrates buildings better, so you'll have a better signal inside Wal*Mart or if you live deep inside a large apartment complex.
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Very true. T-Mo will probably use this band to expand coverage, Good catch :good:
However, it should be worth noting that T-Mo plans to cannibalize (AKA "refarm") its EDGE network into LTE. This may sound great; however, this EDGE that they will be converting will be broadcasted on the 1900 MHz spectrum (Band 2 LTE). The OPO will not support Band 2, so OPO users on T-Mo will not be able to take advantage of LTE in many rural areas and markets.
Will the phone work in India? Vodafone is my carrier.
Portugal
2G - Full compatibility with Optimus, TMN and Vodafone
3G - Full compatibility with Optimus, TMN and Vodafone
LTE - Compatibility on 1800MHz and 2600MHz frequencies which should cover big population agglomerates on Optimus, TMN and Vodafone. 800MHz left out, so outside cities (and probably inside buildings and small cities) it will most likely revert to 3G.
treChoy said:
AT&T
LTE : Only supported on bands 4 and 17. Bands 2 and 30 are not supported; however, they are usually only deployed to create extra bandwidth in high capacity areas. Band 17 is AT&T's major LTE band.
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Curious, was this written by OnePlus's P.R. team? Because it really downplays what I consider one of the biggest problems with this phone, namely that it is missing half the LTE bands used by AT&T, the biggest OPO-compatible carrier in the U.S.
The argument, "Oh but they're barely deployed", is pretty weak. The fact is the bands ARE deployed, and they're only going to get deployed more because carriers aren't exactly in the business of wasting their valuable licensed spectrum. In high traffic areas where they're in use I assume it would be pretty desirable to have them because the other two bands might be over capacity, or maybe they aren't even operating on the tower you're hitting.
Everyone seems to be brushing this off. I guess it's OK to settle after all?
Italy
2G: full compatibility with TIM;
3G: full compatibility with TIM;
4G: compatibility with TIM only 1800 and 2600 MHz, band 3 and 7.
Jubi Lee said:
Curious, was this written by OnePlus's P.R. team? Because it really downplays what I consider one of the biggest problems with this phone, namely that it is missing half the LTE bands used by AT&T, the biggest OPO-compatible carrier in the U.S.
The argument, "Oh but they're barely deployed", is pretty weak. The fact is the bands ARE deployed, and they're only going to get deployed more because carriers aren't exactly in the business of wasting their valuable licensed spectrum. In high traffic areas where they're in use I assume it would be pretty desirable to have them because the other two bands might be over capacity, or maybe they aren't even operating on the tower you're hitting.
Everyone seems to be brushing this off. I guess it's OK to settle after all?
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I agree, the lack of proper LTE bands really are a turn-off for this phone. Just look at our friends in Europe, whose widely-deployed LTE Band 20 is not supported. I'm not saying that the LTE bands here on AT&T are optimal, but it's worth pointing out that it could be worse. The fact that the One supports Band 17 should be satisfactory for many users; it's AT&T's low-frequency band, so theoretically, it should cover the most people. The higher frequencies would only make sense being deployed in areas with mass congestion. So in cities, it's fair to assume that you'll get lower-than-average LTE speeds.
Now, it could be worse. Take a look at T-Mo users (like myself). We're pretty much getting screwed over. Band 4 LTE, the band that they're using now, is very high frequency. Building penetration sucks. Coverage and range sucks. Their network currently is weak. The new bands they are deploying will be lower frequency, so they should provide more coverage and reliability. However, of course, the OPO doesn't support them, which is a major blow to T-Mobile USA customers.
But hey, for $300 for an amazingly-spec'd phone, we have to expect that some compromises had to be made.
anuj247 said:
Will the phone work in India? Vodafone is my carrier.
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India
Vodafone
2G/EDGE/GPRS : most likely supported
3G/UMTS : Yes, Band 1 UMTS is utilized by Vodafone India, and it's supported by the One.
4G LTE : not supported by Vodafone
Anyone knows if it will work in Croatia?
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Anyone knows if it will work in Croatia?
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Any specific carrier?
What about The Netherlands?
Carriers:
Tele2
T-Mobile
KPN
Vodafone
Finland:
All operators (Elisa, Sonera, DNA).
2G 900,1800MHz are both supported
3G 900, 2100MHz are both supported
4G/LTE Channels 3(1800MHz) and 7(2600MHz) are supported. Channel 20(800MHz) is not supported
Lack of support for channel 20 will limit LTE only to densely populated areas.
So I'm not the brightest with the different frequencies etc... What I do know is that Band 12 on T-Mobile has greater building penetration, and that it's currently not supported on the Nexus 6P, despite the phone having the band. My question is, what functionality do I lose? Aside from having more penetrating power, which gives me better signal, do I lose anything else? Honestly, I'm pretty sure Band 12 isn't even in Columbus, Ohio (where I am) yet... but I don't wanna buy this phone and then Band 12 go live here and then I lose LTE, if that's even what happens... or would it just resort to the current band 4?
Band 12
Powell730 said:
So I'm not the brightest with the different frequencies etc... What I do know is that Band 12 on T-Mobile has greater building penetration, and that it's currently not supported on the Nexus 6P, despite the phone having the band. My question is, what functionality do I lose? Aside from having more penetrating power, which gives me better signal, do I lose anything else? Honestly, I'm pretty sure Band 12 isn't even in Columbus, Ohio (where I am) yet... but I don't wanna buy this phone and then Band 12 go live here and then I lose LTE, if that's even what happens... or would it just resort to the current band 4?
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Thats trouble for you. From what I understand there is a long certification process to get the certification from T-Mobile, especially if they do not sell the phone. The Nexus 6 DOES support the T-Mobile band 12:
Unlocked devices
The following unlocked phones not only support LTE band 12 but all other bands required to be compatible with T-Mobile network (LTE bands 2, 4 and 12, HSPA+ on AWS and 1900 MHz, and GSM on 1900 MHz) however band support is not the only requirement. T-Mobile issued a statement regarding band 12 unlocked phones: All Band 12 LTE devices on our network must support VoLTE, E911. Currently only three unlocked phones supports VoLTE and band 12:
Nexus 6 XT1103 (US model)
iPhone 6s A1688 and A1633
iPhone 6s Plus A1689 and A1634
cc999 said:
Thats trouble for you. From what I understand there is a long certification process to get the certification from T-Mobile, especially if they do not sell the phone. The Nexus 6 DOES support the T-Mobile band 12:
Unlocked devices
The following unlocked phones not only support LTE band 12 but all other bands required to be compatible with T-Mobile network (LTE bands 2, 4 and 12, HSPA+ on AWS and 1900 MHz, and GSM on 1900 MHz) however band support is not the only requirement. T-Mobile issued a statement regarding band 12 unlocked phones: All Band 12 LTE devices on our network must support VoLTE, E911. Currently only three unlocked phones supports VoLTE and band 12:
Nexus 6 XT1103 (US model)
iPhone 6s A1688 and A1633
iPhone 6s Plus A1689 and A1634
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well tmobile has already confirm the 5x/6p will work on their network... im just wondering what the lack of band 12 support (for the time being), means for me. i assume i would continue to run on the band 4 that i do now.
Not sure if you've found the answer to your question or not. If you dont have Band 12 where you're located then its really a moot point. I'm in Phoenix and there is a TV station still operating on the 700Mhz Band 12 spectrum so I dont have it. However, if T-Mobile lights up Band 12 and these phones havent received their certification then they will not use Band 12 at all. That means you're limited to Band 2 and Band 4 LTE. Assuming you dont have Band 12 in your area (it appears you do not based on the de-facto map that most cite reference to is here http://www.tmonews.com/700mhz-lte-map/), your coverage will remain the same as it is now.
That being said, Google has stated that they are working with T-Mobile to have the 6p certified by the time the devices ship. So if that holds true, and T-Mobile rolls out Band 12 coverage in your area you should theoretically get better indoor LTE coverage since low-band spectrum travels farther and has an easier time passing through obstacles like block walls. Until then, you should have a similar coverage experience to what you have now. You're not "losing" anything to answer your question.
Hi,
So, I'm interested in getting a cheap 4.7" Android phone to use in the United States and sometimes in Canada. I zeroed in on the Galaxy A3 2017. The model that works best in North America is the A320Y, but so far I've only been able to find it online at some store in New Zealand. Since finding the answer to the question, Will shipping the device from NZ to the United States cost customs fees (and if so, how much)? is a question harder to answer than the question, Where is Jimmy Hoffa?, I've begun considering getting one of the models listed in the title of this thread.
But there's a problem. Those models in the title don't work on US LTE. Actually, according to frequencycheck.com, the A320FL has one LTE band (Cricket/AT&T) and the other models have none of the LTE frequency bands. I wonder if frequencycheck.com is accurate. I'm also wondering if there are other differences between those models. I'm also wondering what happens if I put a Cricket SIM inside these phones. Even though frequencycheck.com says I will get no LTE bands, will putting a Cricket SIM inside suddenly activate an LTE band?
The other question I was wondering: Do I even need LTE if I don't care much about download speed? Maybe HSPA+ or whatever it is will be good enough? If I don't have LTE, will I get less reception indoors or outdoors, or will I get the same exact reception/coverage but just be relegated to 3G/4G/HSPA+ service? What is the benefit of LTE besides data speed?
Finally, which one of these models has the most ROM support? Can they all be bootloader unlocked?
I know I'm asking a whole bunch of questions at the same time. Sorry. I appreciate any help I can get with this!
To answer some:
That website appears to be accurate. Doesn't only list AT&T for a320fl once expanded.
As for SIMs activating bands, I haven't seen it on Samsung, only RRC Release, VoLTE, LTE CAT, maybe individual CA combos. The disabled bands are shown as CAL_DEFAULT vs CAL_PASS. Guess it's like Snapdragon.
HSPA+ vs LTE
The range of 3G/4G is close with the same frequency, but 4G performs better at cell edge (low signal).
Speed (anyway)
Well, 3G is usually given its own spectrum at first, then the 2G is refarmed into 3G. Today, 3G gets refarmed to 4G. This leaves 3G with a small amount of spectrum, it becomes prone to interference. It's bit like multiple tv/fm stations on the same channel number. Other 'tv/fm stations' have to be filtered out by the phone, this lowers the speed. 4G gets some too, along with echoed complex signals, but it gets less.
3G supports up to 5MHz per carrier, 4G up to 20MHz. 3G can have carrier aggregation, so 5+5+maybe 5. Expect up to 2 carriers (not every combo) on 4G, unless a specific SIM is detected in specific phone models. Along with that, 4G can have better spectral efficiency.
If you are going with 3G(HSPA, sometimes called '4G') anyway, you should know that there are these states (usually called fast dormancy) to save power.
DCH = Full speed.
FACH = Up to 32kbps. 4kB/s. Maybe RRC Release downgrade is visible (H+ to H).
PCH = No data.
Anything below is further away from data.
For high performance, keep the speed above 4kB/s, at the cost of battery. LTE has a faster start.
Sometimes, the speed is simply constrained by backhaul, the internet access that goes to the tower.
Thanks. So, to your knowledge, the F and F DS variants shouldn't work on LTE in the United States? I was in a live chat session with someone on Samsung's UK website and she said that the F variant would work on LTE in the United States. I then sent them an email to confirm and they replied with:
As per our resources from our technical review, the following Network is available in our Samsung Galaxy A3 (2017) for the US.
Network
Band: Quad
GSM 850: YES
GSM 900: YES
GSM 1800: YES
GSM 1900: YES
UMTS 2100: YES
GPRS: YES
4G: YES
HSDPA: YES
Works in the US: YES
I replied to ask them why frequencycheck.com lists no LTE frequencies in common for the F variant on AT&T. I'm so confused.
sm-a320f / sm-a320f/ds
According to every other (not alternating) source the LTE band 2 and band 5 is supported in the US (and the entire spectrum of these bands). So, it supports some bands. Check if the signal of those bands (for your mobile network operator) are available in your location. Ask again, specifically for band 2 LTE(4G).