What do you think about ART runtime? Do you use it yet?
You think it´s better to be on ART?
fuhrli said:
What do you think about ART runtime? Do you use it yet?
You think it´s better to be on ART?
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There are numerous discussions about this already. You will likely get some feedback here, but if you search and read several dozen posts in existing threads, you'll probably get a more informative view of the topic.
Prior to my G2, I used a Galaxy Nexus (toro / Verizon) for two years. I flashed dozens of ROMs on it, and in the final couple of months used KitKat ROMs with the option to enable ART. On that phone, there was no question that ART provided a smoother experience, faster response, and used less working memory. The difference was so noticeable that it really felt like a new phone.
I have every reason to believe that ART on the G2 will have a similar effect, although this phone is so fast already that I'm not sure what the experience will be like or how different it will feel. Many UI effects, such as transitions and animations, are tied to timing parameters that dictate things like the smallest amount of time a transition might take. In those cases, if the animation is already running at maximum speed dictated by the code you will not see a difference. You WOULD see a difference in those cases where multitasking, for example, maxed out processor capacity and became the limiting factor in UI speed.
ART will definitely improve processing efficiency and memory use of the OS. The extent to which we'll see the difference in UI experience is not clear yet on this latest generation of phone.
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I notice no difference in gui nor battery or memory in everyday use.
ART runtime is the follower of the standart Dalvic runtime and should be gain more performance.
Let's discuss the ART runtime, about your experiences and possible failures according to roms etc.
This thread is really not necessary especially in a device specific Forum.
So this should be moved to Android General Discussion if its necessary anyway or closed.
There are already a few ART discussion threads.
tw vs cm / art vs dalvik
I think he wants to compare the s4 mini stock rom performance and battery life to the cm art performance and battery life.
Im running cm11 with art and the performance is awsome.
About batterylife im not shure, it seems to be the same or better on cm but i cant compare caus the cellbroadcast (when you have no connenction) is draining my battery life. Dont know if touchwiz manages it better.
Running smartmax with fiops and intelli plug with art gives your phone awsome performance with nearly the same or less batterylife. Still waiting for stable touchwiz with art
I hope i could give you a short overview espacielly for s4 mini
Sry for my englisch, im german
Hello everyone:
as everyone knows Android introduced a new run time in kitkat which it ART. they say its faster than Dalvik as it precompiles the apps. in sense 6 we can choose which runtime we want to use when enabling Developer options so we can have a peak at the new runtime which will be used officially in Android L.
from Wiki:
Dalvik is the process virtual machine (VM) in Google's Android operating system. It is the software that runs the applications on Android devices. Dalvik is thus an integral part of Android, which is typically used on mobile devices such as mobile phones and tablet computers as well as more recently on embedded devices such as smart TVs and media streamers.
Android Runtime (ART) is an application runtime environment used by the Android mobile operating system. ART replaces Dalvik, which is the process virtual machine originally used by Android, and performs transformation of the application's bytecode into native instructions that are later executed by the device's runtime environment.
let us know what do you think about running ART in your experience (Speed,Stability and battery life) and if you had any problems please post which rom you are/were using.
I'm using ART on my GPE converted M8. Was using Dalvik when I was on Sense though.
I'm currently using it on ViperOne Rom 2.4.0. Is it faster? Well, first we need to figure out how to measure lightning!
It's also supposed to make a slight improvement in battery life, I would guess because it takes less power to load up apps so it keeps cpu clock speeds down. Just a stab in the dark there though.
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Well, the art we have on KK is outdated and nothing compared to the Art we will have on Android L...
I'm not sure if it really is better than Dalvik on its current stage ,but the one on Android L certainly is.
Teio said:
Well, the art we have on KK is outdated and nothing compared to the Art we will have on Android L...
I'm not sure if it really is better than Dalvik on its current stage ,but the one on Android L certainly is.
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Yes Android L ART is different. With the current one you can't notice a difference really.. maybe abit.. and some people say it's laggy.
I noticed it depends on the app for me. Most work fine, but apps like Nike+ and certain games load slow or hang up for me.
PcFish said:
I noticed it depends on the app for me. Most work fine, but apps like Nike+ and certain games load slow or hang up for me.
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There's a thing in me that keeps going back to ART.. but now I'm back to dalvik my phone was stuck on chrome browser before 5mins.. tbh the ART we have now is abit slower and more laggy than dalvik maybe a sense case. It works fine in my HTC one X running 4.4.4 AOSPA rom or CM11
I have set my HTC one M8 today to ART. Now i cannot instal APK files on the Phone.
Justin2003 said:
I have set my HTC one M8 today to ART. Now i cannot instal APK files on the Phone.
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Which Rom are you using?
Stock rom
I'm using Sinless Rom GPE as the ART Version. It works like a charme. Really smooth and fast.
Have no problems to install apks or something.
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Stock rom
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Didn't have problems on stock rom.
force close on Art
Almost all my apps force closes on ART. ViperM8 Rom. Returned back to dalvik
side_flip15 said:
Almost all my apps force closes on ART. ViperM8 Rom. Returned back to dalvik
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Do you have some themes or mods not made for viper?
I don't notice any significant difference between art and dalvic. I am using art at time of me posting this
mushages said:
There's a thing in me that keeps going back to ART.. but now I'm back to dalvik my phone was stuck on chrome browser before 5mins.. tbh the ART we have now is abit slower and more laggy than dalvik maybe a sense case. It works fine in my HTC one X running 4.4.4 AOSPA rom or CM11
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So not recommend one for x with CM11?? The proglem is Tegra3?
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So not recommend one for x with CM11?? The proglem is Tegra3?
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well try it and judge mine was working fine
Odly enough using quadrant benchmark was much higher using Dalvic. Art was 1500 and 2100. I don't orgasm or benchmarks and take it for what it is but interesting none theess
For many is already too late, you installed 5.1 believing the hype that latest means greatest and found out that 5.1 is not better than 4.4.4, simply different. You found out some of your apps don't work, your battery life took a hit for the worse or even your hardware does not perform as well as it did on Kitkat 4.4.4. If you installed the OTA for 5.1 and you are happy, this is not directed at you; just continue to enjoy your new OS. I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes. I also realize that some on kitkat may be experiencing a specific problem that they believe or hope LP will solve. This post is not designed to tell anyone what to do or not do. I advised caution, patience and research.
If you know for a fact that LP will offer you something specific that you need take the plunge but at least take the time to check what LP will mess up that you are now enjoying on Kitkat, the information is out there easily found, in closing: if you are sitting on the fence and have not yet taken the 5.1 OTA read and view videos so when you make your decision at least you will know what you will be getting and losing.
They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
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I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.
smokie11 said:
I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.
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They are binary matches once installed. Differences are whether the user wipes or not.
From what I understand the 5.1 image allows mofo root to work and is reversible to 4.4.4. The 5.1 OTA for Droid Turbo offers nothing I want, but I do understand probably most people do want it...new has a hynotic appeal.
smokie11 said:
For many is already too late... I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes.
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I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.
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They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
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I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.
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Chuckling is good. Installing the 5.1 OTA without doing a little checking first coud make a person . I advocated patience and reading first that's all, Since you are familiar with Art you already know that not all programs that our members use and find important are updated to use it. I would agree with you that LP has a greater potential than KK. I am sure it has not been realized yet... and I can't stand white backgrounds
Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?
I could not disagree with the OP more if I wanted. LP is leaps and bounds better than KK - performance-wise, battery-wise, looks, and feels. Unless you have a dire need of root, LP is a way to go
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Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?
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I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...
neozen21 said:
I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...
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I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.
Leraeniesh said:
I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.
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So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?
neozen21 said:
So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?
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Works for default Gmail client on 5.1
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Works for default Gmail client on 5.1
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Nova and APEX work with Gmail client too.
However, I need the default Email client, the one that works with Exchange (ActiveSync)... I have my contacts, calendar in my work's Exchange server...
Oh well, hopefully an update will come out soon...
I had the opportunity today to spend some time with one of my sons who happens to own a Droid Turbo, he asked me if I had updated to LP and I said no, he told me he did the OTA update to LP about 2 weeks ago and was very happy with it. My first question was how is your battery life? He said about the same. I asked him if there was any one feature that clearly in his opinion made it better than KK and he said no, he liked the overall effect like eye candy, he likes it because is new, different and the latest. Fair enough, that is certainly a good enough reason to change...but not for me. Next we spent about the next 10-15 minutes opening programs that we shared in common also going to different web sites phones side by side. The results were this: KK was slightly faster most of the time (1 second on average) a few times LP was faster (fractions of a second) The truth is exactly what I saw on You Tube videos: right now as of today KK is overall slightly faster than LP. I would like to emphasize my son is very happy with LP, he likes how it looks and that is fine. Reality TODAY demonstrated to me that KK is faster than LP. No big deal faster, just a little faster. So this ART vs Dalvik is an area where until developers actually rewrite their programs to take full advantage of AOT ahead of time compiling vs just in time to avoid those programs that today don't play nice with ART. The future it seems belongs to ART but in the present Dalvik is superior. Just my opinion ok guys don't get all crazy and worked up about it. Just remember you know a lot more about this than me...the only thing that matters to me is what I see when I use my phone, not lines of binary code.
Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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manhar2108 said:
Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:
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My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:
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Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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manhar2108 said:
Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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I know, is all good.
manhar2108 said:
Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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And you measured the times how? Second, fraction of a Second. All perceived I'm guessing. To many variables involved. I personally think lp is faster than kk. But again it's my opinion and based on a perceived feeling.