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I swear this thing does nothing when on standby. Screen on time is at just over two hours and yet the stats are amazing. Interestingly I'm on my third one, the other two were NOTHING like this.
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Yeah I noticed that too try using power save ... Seems to have even better standby when that is enabled. Very happy with battery life so far on mine.
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jbarrack said:
Yeah I noticed that too try using power save ... Seems to have even better standby when that is enabled. Very happy with battery life so far on mine.
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So am I. Typically 30 to 40% battery left. With my iphone and SIII, both were dead by the end of the day.
PS. I use the power saver function.
jaaystott said:
I swear this thing does nothing when on standby. Screen on time is at just over two hours and yet the stats are amazing. Interestingly I'm on my third one, the other two were NOTHING like this.
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Couldn't agree more... I am only on the first "One" . But battery life is fantastic compared to my S3. My current stats are showing 54% remaining after 26:25 hours. Estimated remaining time is 33 hours. That's with a little bit of 4G usage and 30 minutes talk time. Total screen time is showing at 1.03 hours.
By this time of the day, with similar usage, by S3 was sitting under 50% and would remain for another 6 hours. I was originally very worried about the non-removable battery, but with performance like this I am no longer worried!
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Interestingly I'm on my third one, the other two were NOTHING like this.
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True. My first One was very disappointing when looking at battery life.
I hope the replacement will not have this problem
Fidelcastrol said:
True. My first One was very disappointing when looking at battery life.
I hope the replacement will not have this problem
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Sadly im one of those that seems to have got a poor battery life after swapping
My 1st unit was AMAZING, just like the screenshot in 1st post, i could go a full day at work with 80%+...now ive got my replacement unit I noticed the difference straight away
In about 30 mins im losing like 10%+ even on standby
My old phone I saw well over 1d 15 hours on battery before i saw it go into abotu 15% battery...win some lose some.
However I am getting another replacement...fingers crossed
The One has the best standby battery life of any phone EVER.
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No offence, but the Xperia Z is better. The One may be good, but it's not the very best.
It has really good battery life considering the 1080 p screen and those dual speakers with boom sound.
Guys please consider the battery to note 2, it is a phablet with a gigantic battery. It somewhat like comparin nexus 7 with HTC one, difference between the n7 and note 2 screen size is only 1.5 inches
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Best standby I have ever seen on a phone is the iphone5 to be honest. But the One definitely isn't far behind.
For me coming from an iPhone 5 and before that iPhone 4 and before that numerous other phones..this HTC one has been the best for battery life by far. I'm averaging battery life of 17 hours according to gsam battery app... I never would have imagined getting battery life like that and I am not on power saving mode. And as for the note 2. I would hope it bas better battery...it's not that much bigger (screen) and it has a 3100mah battery compared to 2300 in the one.
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I'm lucky to get 8 hours. I'm not impressed at all. I had to charge it twice just to able to do some photography.
My recent past phones were an iPhone 5, galaxy s3, and note 2. Only the 5 had worse battery.
I have undervolted, have lte off and It drains fast when the screen is on. Who cares about standby. How does it actually last with use.
the battery has been very inconsistent for me ever since i got the phone a few weeks ago. sometimes i can go the entire day just fine and other times i need to charge by 6 pm. it definitely wouldnt last an extra day if i forgot to charge it before going to bed.
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Ha ha classic
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I don't have any hard evidence but this phone kills my Sensation. I would use about 1 hours of actual usage in a day while the rest of the time is in standby with wifi, and I can get through my 8 hour day with about 60% to 70% left. My sensation would have been near 20%, and I have to charge it if I use it more often. I am really impressed.
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No idea why you are here, bashing the One. HTC has had a bad reputation for notorious battery life, but the One is clearly solid in this aspect. Do not generalise based on HTC's past phones.Not sure about the Note 2 or S4 but I am darn sure my standby and screen on times beat my friend's S3 for good.
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My One also handily beat my friends' S3 and iPhone 4S as well. I have never used a phone which I didn't worry about the battery near the end of the day - this is the first.
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Erm yup that seems more fair. I also didn't claim One has the best battery life. I mean the term "best" is entirely arbitrary. The best battery life on an android would definitely be the Razr Maxx. It'd probably handle close to twice the standby times on the S4.
So in that case why are you so eager to prove that the S4 is better than the One? I mean if you really feel it's better go ahead and buy one. Point proven.
For me and the other One users here we are VERY satisfied with our battery life, thank you very much.
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I already have one. I am here to present unbiased facts, while some people seem to be blinded by ignorance. As previously stated I was in the market for an additional device for my fiance, and the One came up. Also if you actually read thru the responses from the One users, there is a lot of mixed responses not just praise.
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Don't be sorry
U lost 20-25% overnight? U clearly don't understand the basics of wakelocks. Nuff said.
I have the S3 as well as the One and my S3 and my One have approx similar screen on times but the S3 has longer total up-times with similar screen on time. With the H1, u need power saving on ALL the time to get decent battery life.
The S4 will eat up this phone in terms of battery life.
Getting back to my original point, the H1 does NOT have the best battery life ever of any phone.
I think we're done here.
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Ach, no. I'm very familiar with wakelocks. Again, I'm sorry my personal experiences don't meet with your expectations. My One battery life is much better than my S3 in both standby and gaming.
You. Just two more letters.
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This thread should be locked. The one is definitely not the best phone for battery. S3 is better and the Note2 is even better again.
Theres already a thread for battery stats.
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Agreed. I think people are trying to justify having the cheaper phone with meaningless stats. WOW "I had it on powersave all day and got rockin battery !" WOW I had my Note on full brightness for 2 days straight with over 6 hours of screen time. The battery stats on this device are not impressive by any means. The GS4 has this phone beat in every department.
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The OP only mentioned standby time, stop trolling, it's pathetic, especially for a RC
I too agree, it's been unrealistically good on standby. Granted I'm rooted with some bloat removed + Greenify.
Yesterday got 22 hours, 4:33H screen on, 4G on all day, power saver off.
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I too agree, it's been unrealistically good on standby. Granted I'm rooted with some bloat removed + Greenify.
Yesterday got 22 hours, 4:33H screen on, 4G on all day, power saver off.
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I use Greenify as well and it makes huge difference. Currently at 3 hours of screen time, with 60% left! Lost only 2% overnight.
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Kitkat killed battery life. Used to be great, now it sucks.
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KitKat didn't kill battery life. Mine is about the same as it was before KitKat. In about 99.999% of the time an app is to blame. I have a simple but arduous method to find the app that's killing your battery.
I agree the battery has taken a hit. I used to ave about 9hrs of screen on time, now about 6hrs. I also have the chromecast issue. Strange thing is that sometimes the screen doesnt even show up In the battery stats. Sometimes the usage time doesnt change when it shows in battery stats. I am stock, 32gb white US model updated with Kies. I have done many factory resets. I have tried it for 2 days without installing any apps or disabling any samsung bloat, with no change in the tablest behavior.
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I agree the battery has taken a hit. I used to ave about 9hrs of screen on time, now about 6hrs. I also have the chromecast issue. Strange thing is that sometimes the screen doesnt even show up In the battery stats. Sometimes the usage time doesnt change when it shows in battery stats. I am stock, 32gb white US model updated with Kies. I have done many factory resets. I have tried it for 2 days without installing any apps or disabling any samsung bloat, with no change in the tablest behavior.
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Kitkat sent my note into fits. Battery life was terribly erratic at first. Dropping 30% in an hour, then suddenly jumping back up by 10%.
I tried factory reset.... nothing changed. Then I used the Battery Callibration app from playstore. Ran it and followed instructions exactly. (Waited til it was charged 100%, then run the program, then completely drain battery, then let it charge continuously back up to 100%).
Go figure............ since then things have calmed down and I am getting the same battery life as on my old Jellybeans note. (I know, because I've got two of these tablets and literally compared them side by side.)
Or, it could also be that after firmware upgrade things need a bit of time to settle down. Hope this helps.
Barbara
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Kitkat sent my note into fits. Battery life was terribly erratic at first. Dropping 30% in an hour, then suddenly jumping back up by 10%.
I tried factory reset.... nothing changed. Then I used the Battery Callibration app from playstore. Ran it and followed instructions exactly. (Waited til it was charged 100%, then run the program, then completely drain battery, then let it charge continuously back up to 100%).
Go figure............ since then things have calmed down and I am getting the same battery life as on my old Jellybeans note. (I know, because I've got two of these tablets and literally compared them side by side.)
Or, it could also be that after firmware upgrade things need a bit of time to settle down. Hope this helps.
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Yeah, I am used to android taking a bit to settle in. After my note 3 updated, it seems like it took a month to get back to my "normal". I hope the tablet does too, just frustrating in the mean time
Mine settled down after about 3 days and several resets. Now the battery seems comparable to pre-KitKat.
I don't think it is kit Kat. I'm running kit Kat and easily see 9 hours of screen on. It is most likely an app you have installed that is doing it.
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I don't think it is kit Kat.
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Then not everyone would then mention that it is not change or improved (in stand-by).
No, normally a app or bad file on the sd-card is killing here the battery. All tools to find this out, are already mentioned here. Good luck.
4.4 in and of itself isn't causing poorer battery life. In fact, owners of other devices are reporting improvements. The Exynos N3 for example. There aren't any battery life issue threads on the Pro forums and they have the same h/w and we're most likely using their 4.4 drivers and kernel. There are threads like this in every device forum when an Android version upgrade is released. It's almost always due to a bad flash or a rogue app or service. That and older apps that haven't been updated in ions and aren't playing well with the new OS. People here have reported shorter charging time and longer battery life. So what's being discussed isn't universal. I'd suggest doing a stock recovery and reviewing older apps and those that aren't developed by known and larger developers.
I have a Shield and S4 too. For every poster raving, there seems an opposite view on battery life and the SD card issue.
The SD issue makes battery life debates moot. Google has an Apple wannabe syndrome. Perhaps they will rebrand as Goople.
You can recalibrate the battery by running it down below 20% then recharging. I have seen it recommended to do this every 30 days or so.
My Note 3 with KitKat started using 20-30% of the battery at night while it was idle. Looked and looked and couldn't find a clue to the problem. Decided to reboot, the next night it was fine, used maybe 2-3%
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gramps50 said:
You can recalibrate the battery by running it down below 20% then recharging. I have seen it recommended to do this every 30 days or so.
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I am overage to believe in this new-world mysteries... and I am still hoping that nobody believe in this stories. Please, let me not became an old, lonely infidel.
Nope
The update did not kill my battery. Did you come from a rom?
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The update did not kill my battery. Did you come from a rom?
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Agree and disagree!
I did have charging problem and battery drain right after KK update. I have to do the Factory Data Reset. Luckily my tablet is back to normal if not better. I did spend sometime go thru all setting. So I managed to get 4 hrs of screen time with moderate use and I still have about 59% of battery.
So I say kk is good or better then jellybean
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Google has an Apple wannabe syndrome.
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Everybody wants to be a comedian.
I don't have this issue but maybe affected people should read this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52366635&postcount=236
I updated a couple days ago and since then my battery just sucks. It just went from 100% to 29% in 2 hours just using Youtube. It can't be right. Definitely it's the upgrade!!
I loved my Note 10.1 2014 out the box that I decided not to root. So it's factory stock and suck very bad.
If it's a bad app I can find it. It worked flawlessly before the upgrade.
Factory reset and see if it still happens. A dirty flash can do weird stuff...
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Yeah, im not getting great battery life either since this update. I just reset the tablet in the hope of tracking down what's the issue.
Troubling, since battery life was so great previously.
TabGuy said:
Everybody wants to be a comedian.
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With the joke being on the user that lost the function.
Look at the screenshot below... I'm speechless!
skyguy126 said:
Look at the screenshot below... I'm speechless!
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Have you installed a ROM or a different Kernel?
So far my record was 9 days, yup, you hear it right 9 days. It was only sms and call use but still I haven't heard about such thing from anyone with any device (ofc android). But mostly I'm charging it once per 5-7 days since I bought nexus 7 2013, so as for anyone who are looking for for durable android phone - jackpot and bullseye in one time.
Oh, don't believe ? Here are screens made just seconds ago -
Click to view 3 screenshots from standby time, on screen and overall.
It says - 9 days left / 3d 19h standby time (last charged) / 42m on screen time. Also there was few calls, few sms and quick web browsing (most of screen on time). So... maybe 10 days these time ?
My Lg g pad supports almost a week with 15-16 of sot
You'll never get rid of it? 5 yrs from now? Yeah, I had a moto g and battery life was good. But I'll take performance and size (nexus 6) over battery life any day. But hey, that's just me.
I get a phone to have fun with, not to see how long I can go without charging.
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You'll never get rid of it? 5 yrs from now? Yeah, I had a moto g and battery life was good. But I'll take performance and size (nexus 6) over battery life any day. But hey, that's just me.
I get a phone to have fun with, not to see how long I can go without charging.
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Quite logical
How did you get that battery length? Any external kernel or what?
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do you guys want to share which rom and kernel you guys using? as in my cell best time i got is 3 days..
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Look at the screenshot below... I'm speechless!
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Which ROM are you using ??
I don't have that 'Power Mode'
It survives under water as well.
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Have you installed a ROM or a different Kernel?
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How did you get that battery length? Any external kernel or what?
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do you guys want to share which rom and kernel you guys using? as in my cell best time i got is 3 days..
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Which ROM are you using ??
I don't have that 'Power Mode'
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I am running CM12.1 Nightly. And this is right after I upgraded my moto g with the lolipop ota for retail us.
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You'll never get rid of it? 5 yrs from now? Yeah, I had a moto g and battery life was good. But I'll take performance and size (nexus 6) over battery life any day. But hey, that's just me.
I get a phone to have fun with, not to see how long I can go without charging.
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I've got a OPO but the Moto G is a still a great device to mess around with. but like you say I'd rather have performance over battery (up to a point that is).
Completely stock, just root that I'm using for greenify, that's all. Now it's almost 8 days, 35% still left.
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Completely stock, just root that I'm using for greenify, that's all. Now it's almost 8 days, 35% still left.
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Wow man,amazing
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Completely stock, just root that I'm using for greenify, that's all. Now it's almost 8 days, 35% still left.
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Still not as good as the nokia
I know the Moto G is good, but you guys must never touch your phones.
Let it run to 0% battery and then see if you're singing the same tune
From my observations there is about a 1 in 5 chance of the eMMC being irreparably* bricked if the battery drops to the point of forced shutdown on any Moto G model (2013 or 2014)
*complete partition table loss, requiring the MBM-CI files which are still not available for Lollipop
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Let it run to 0% battery and then see if you're singing the same tune
From my observations there is about a 1 in 5 chance of the eMMC being irreparably* bricked if the battery drops to the point of forced shutdown on any Moto G model (2013 or 2014)
*complete partition table loss, requiring the MBM-CI files which are still not available for Lollipop
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Nonsense.
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Nonsense.
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Google 'moto g 0% battery boot loop'
I've had it happen to 4 devices and counting
There is simply a design flaw, discharge your device a few times and see for yourself.
I used to be satisfied with battery life of my XT1032 when I was on 4.4.4 ... Upgrade to 5.0.2 made it quite worse. :/
Removed since the battery seems great for other's. Might be a faulty device.
I haven't had any problem with the battery.
Me neither heavy user . yesterday I was surprised I removed of from charger at 7 30 am and at 8pm it was at 19%
i haven't had any issues at all. was actually quite happy with my battery life. so i don't see any reason for any kind of petition
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I haven't had any problem with the battery.
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Me neither heavy user . yesterday I was surprised I removed of from charger at 7 30 am and at 8pm it was at 19%
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i haven't had any issues at all. was actually quite happy with my battery life. so i don't see any reason for any kind of petition
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Glad ro hear that everyone's battery is working well except me. And glad you're doing well without root. I will ask for the thread ro be closed. Do you mind sharing any tips?
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dude... i get great battery life? Again why is everyone jumping the gun on this device its has not even been out for a ****ing week! enough already gosh.
typical xda sometimes I think its just to be heard or get their posts numbers up. I have none of the issues I see people posting about....
No tips from my side. Same settings as manufacturer
No tips and tricks from my side. Its 5:33pm now I'm up since 6:45am ( phone not on charger) 56%.
Just check maybe some of your apps(Im pretty sure you did verified ) and by the way I'm on snapdragon and not exynos.
Good luck with that.
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Removed since the battery seems great for other's. Might be a faulty device.
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In that case I'm closing the thread since we have a battery life discussion under way here already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-note-7/how-to/post-battery-life-usage-t3442579
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Just wanted to point out, without evidence yet, that battery life on Nougat (Concept update 38.3.A.0.107) is amazing. I'm talking about days here.
¿Anyone else experiencing this?
As for the evidence, I will charge my phone to 100% today and upload a battery life screencap as soon as I can.
What? I need that firmware! My battery goes from 80 to 70 in 5 minutes On screen time!!!
Hi,
Just a quick update with a screenshot. Just 2h short of a day with 14% to go, the mostly horizontal part of the graph happened when I was asleep.
SOT for that is 3h13m
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Hi,
Just a quick update with a screenshot. Just 2h short of a day with 14% to go, the mostly horizontal part of the graph happened when I was asleep.
SOT for that is 3h13m
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SOT 3h is supposed to be good? Your battery life is as worse as mine (Im running poison)
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SOT 3h is supposed to be good? Your battery life is as worse as mine (Im running poison)
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What? I need that firmware! My battery goes from 80 to 70 in 5 minutes On screen time!!!
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Um... ok?
Maybe I'm coming from a terrible phone and this seems very good then.
Nevertheless, I can tell you for sure that my phone isn't dropping 10% batt in 5min SOT.
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Um... ok?
Maybe I'm coming from a terrible phone and this seems very good then.
Nevertheless, I can tell you for sure that my phone isn't dropping 10% batt in 5min SOT.
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well now that I have applied some fixes and calibration it isn't in mine either. I am not sure really, but 3 hours of SOT is just not good, and Im coming from a bad phone too
I'm thinking x-reality might be disabled afteryour update. My screen takes up 30 percent battery with x-reality on.
I never havwe x reality on.. seriously yoy think I didnt check it or what
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SOT 3h is supposed to be good? Your battery life is as worse as mine (Im running poison)
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With poison i have more than 6 hours SOT. Without any mods. With the original rom i had 5 and a half hours SOT.
I dont understand.. my phone is brand new, I have optimasations, underclock and everything except wifi is off.. what am I doing wrong? I have also calibrated the battery, full discharge ans full charge, its not any app im using since with stock and. nothing. installed battery runs the same.. Also the camera is worse after the drm fix than before drm fix (too much noise) the hell is wrong with my phone??
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I dont understand.. my phone is brand new, I have optimasations, underclock and everything except wifi is off.. what am I doing wrong? I have also calibrated the battery, full discharge ans full charge, its not any app im using since with stock and. nothing. installed battery runs the same.. Also the camera is worse after the drm fix than before drm fix (too much noise) the hell is wrong with my phone??
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you too are in concept rom? because that is standard now battery going way too fast, try installing gsam app and give permissions via adb so you can check which app is consuming too much power, i have done it but i still can't figue out what is causing it
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you too are in concept rom? because that is standard now battery going way too fast, try installing gsam app and give permissions via adb so you can check which app is consuming too much power, i have done it but i still can't figue out what is causing it
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No, I am using the poison nougat rom. Actually, I have been using gsam for 2 weeks I think, just like you I cannot find the problem. My SOT is 3 hours, 4 hours at best. And keep in mind that is with very simple usage , not any intense apps or games
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No, I am using the poison nougat rom. Actually, I have been using gsam for 2 weeks I think, just like you I cannot find the problem. My SOT is 3 hours, 4 hours at best. And keep in mind that is with very simple usage , not any intense apps or games
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So it's not only in the conpcet rom, also in poison maybe fully stock doesn't have those issues??
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So it's not only in the conpcet rom, also in poison maybe fully stock doesn't have those issues??
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As I have said again, even in stock rom I have the same results... that makes me worry. I hope its not a hardware problem
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As I have said again, even in stock rom I have the same results... that makes me worry. I hope its not a hardware problem
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Really stock does too? now you've got me wondering if it's a hardware problem now
Every phone has these kind of problems
My battery life is shocking. I do use my device a lot so it's understandable.
There is battery tweaks out there to help people with problems. Someone will bring something out or find something for our devices
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Every phone has these kind of problems
My battery life is shocking. I do use my device a lot so it's understandable.
There is battery tweaks out there to help people with problems. Someone will bring something out or find something for our devices
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Correct, but in our case it is beyond normal. 3 hours O-S-T is not normal for this phone in any case
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Correct, but in our case it is beyond normal. 3 hours O-S-T is not normal for this phone in any case
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Oh yeah agree but it's not like there's loads of reported cases there's less than on handful just on our threads.
I'm not debating there isn't a problem.
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Oh yeah agree but it's not like there's loads of reported cases there's less than on handful just on our threads.
I'm not debating there isn't a problem.
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Yeah, I understand what you mean, the problem here is that we do not know if it's connected to software (or somehow to the bootloader / root probably not though) or if it's the actual phone being faulty. I doubt it's faulty, I have absolutely no problems apart from the drainage
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Yeah, I understand what you mean, the problem here is that we do not know if it's connected to software (or somehow to the bootloader / root probably not though) or if it's the actual phone being faulty. I doubt it's faulty, I have absolutely no problems apart from the drainage
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Yea I'm the same mate no problem other than battery I'm sure we will find something out soon enough dude