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This is a real problem in terms of warrantys and OTAs. It is a complete pain, and I hope it isn't ever included again (or that they only enable it after you enable and download Knox)
As it is, I will still get a note 3, and as I always have my phone insured, it shouldnt be a problem if I brick it, as it is always quicker and easier to get it replaced via insurance anyway.
No. Efuse counter is hardwarebased. Imagine a littel Chip which explodes when counter gets from 0x0 to 0x1. So only option is to replace the chip.
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Well right now we have no definite proof that it is indeed an eFuse, only speculation.
Give the scene more time, they will figure it out.
I think its not an efuse
HitBobLer said:
This is a real problem in terms of warrantys and OTAs. It is a complete pain, and I hope it isn't ever included again (or that they only enable it after you enable and download Knox)
As it is, I will still get a note 3, and as I always have my phone insured, it shouldnt be a problem if I brick it, as it is always quicker and easier to get it replaced via insurance anyway.
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There may be a European law in that Samsung have to prove that what you did to trip knox really did 'break' the phone.
By law modifying your phone does not void warranty.
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I think its not an efuse
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Samsung says it's an eFuse: https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
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There may be a European law in that Samsung have to prove that what you did to trip knox really did 'break' the phone.
By law modifying your phone does not void warranty.
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EU Directive 1999/44/EC says that the software modification needs to cause the hardware failure to void your warranty, but it's vague about who carries the burden of proof.
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Samsung says it's an eFuse: https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
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Yeah, we need proof.
Exynos can have it reset. Qualcomm no. Efuses are one time programmable. You can't "unblow" an efuse.
exploding?
Um, To the best of my knowledge, e_fuse are are field programmable hardware, not exploding chips. I also know that the warranty center than reset the flag on serviceable trade ins that people surrender. This for a fact from my days at t-mobile, talking to samsung on the phone. People actually send back working phones to recycle, and I had a customer who was worried about having a pre-tripped counter with a refurb. We called, and they told us that if a refurb comes in with 0x1, they can return it to 0x0. More likely than not, the reset path is on a circuit through a service port or sim slot. I've cross posted the bounty the 2600ers. Even if it were akin to a fuseable link, the odds of it being physically impossible to spoof or repair is unlikely.
Above may be true but so far its unfixable for users .
Many of the best development guys have dropped any further investigation .
The how the flag is reprogrammed is yet to be discovered and we are three years down the line with Knox .
Spoofing the knox warranty bit should be no problem if you can play with the code that sends the knox flag to the screen. Software can always misrepresent hardware status.
Repairing a blown efuse is something different.
Samsung says it's an eFuse and that replacing hardware is the only way to reset the knox flag. Why would Samsung repeatedly lie about that on its own site and risk lawsuits from its paying corporate customers if it turns out reversible after all?
Samsung wrote:
an e-fuse will be burned to indicate that a non-KNOX kernel image has been loaded to the device.
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"It is a one-time programmable bit in e-fuse, which can only be turned from “0” to “1” (i.e. burned)."
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There is no way to reverse the Warranty Bit without replacing the Printed Board Assembly (PBA), a hardware component, on the device.
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The KNOX warranty bit is a onetime programmable fuse that signifies whether the device has ever been booted into an unapproved state. If the Trusted Boot process detects that nonapproved components are used, or if certain critical security features such as SELinux are disabled, it sets the fuse. Thereafter, the device can never run Samsung KNOX, device access to the DUHK and DRK in the TrustZone Secure World is revoked
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If the Warranty Bit is fired, the device displays KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0x01.
If that is the case, unfortunately there is no way to revert the Warranty Bit and KNOX won't work on this device.
The only way to get the device back to its original settings is to replace the PBA (Printed Board Assembly) on the device; hardware replacement will be required.
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Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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Your factory warranty will not be voided if you simply root you device. A simple OTA update (say too Kit kat, from approved channels) WILL trip KNOX. My wife's stock 8" got the update through Samsung and the fuse tripped. Those of you *****ing about it are going to sure be red when you do update to KitKat and find out its been tripped. I work for a legacy company that only uses secure devices. That's why we have KNOX, its not for a witch hunt to find out who has rooted what and wiggle out of the warranty. Unless you change how the CPU works ( overclocking and such) that can damage the device, that is a different story. But simply rooting without any additional adjustments other than program removal, debloating or changing how buttons work will not void your manufacturers warranty.
This has been bugging me for while.
Sorry.
Back to Star trek.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
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In download mode it quite clearly reads "warranty is void". Now if that message will be honored by the manufacturer and/or vendor (it) is another story altogether. But as far as the device knows the warranty *is* Void and none of your links deny that.
Now knox , may well have been designed for corporate security, sure, but that doesn't stop Samsung to also use it to deny paying for warranties. You , can call it a scheme as much as you want, but there is not one official source to deny that.
Was the knox wire tripped from official update? Bummer, no warranty for you...
Samsung in Scandinavia (Samsung Nordic office) has confirmed that a tripped knox is auto void warranty ...
A friend of mine works for a major tech importer (they sell to retailers, but also handle a good deal of the warranty shipping/repairs etc) for the scandinavian countries and according to him the support dept is supposed to check if the knox fuse is 0X0 before they do anything with the device. Major bummer!!
Upgrading my Note 3 from stock 4.3 to stock 4.4 most definitely did NOT trip my Knox counter. There would be no reason for that to happen, since Knox checks for non-Samsung firmware, and an update sent out by Samsung is (obviously) Samsung firmware.
A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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This simply isn't true.
The purpose of Knox is not to check for any updates but to check for tampering with the bootloader. I know nothing of the circumstances of your sister's update but numerous people have updated Knox-enabled devices with stock updates and Knox has NOT been tripped nor is it supposed to be.
Apart from anything, what you say defies common sense. What would be the purpose of a hardware fuse that tripped when any update is applied? Knox is there so that enterprises can check whether a device has been tampered with and deny certain functionality if that has happened. This wouldn't work if it were tripped by authorised updates.
There are threads here and in other forums that show that Knox is not tripped by standard updates or flashing stock ROMs (although there are limited examples where this has happened - they are very much the minority).
Added to which, there have been conflicting statements made by Samsung and its representatives over the implications of Knox 0x1. Some have said that all warranties are void. Some that warranty may not be refused if the problem is unequivocally unconnected with rooting/installing a 3rd party ROM (e.g. the home button breaking). The situation is far from clear and concerns over the implications of tripping the Knox fuse will remain well-founded until there is an authoritative statement from Samsung that Knox 0x1 will never void the hardware warranty and such a statement has not yet been made and probably never will be.
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A factory update will trip the fuse. Knox is added after the initial os is compiled. The problem is that most service centers or regional Samsung centers don't even really understand what KNOX is for. So when they see it tripped they assume that you did something detrimental to the device. When we purchased 150 s4, 8" and 10" we had a Samsung coporate rep show our staff the many enterprise features that can be implemented on the devices. He's the one that told us that simply a rooted device will not void warranty. We have had over 20 devices covered under warranty by 3 different service centers that have been rooted. Now changing Roms and kernels are a different story, we had warranty rejected by the same regional centers for 3 of our devices that we were doing testing on that had these. We have dealt with this extensively over the last 6 months or so.
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The counter trips when ANYONE attempts to rewrite or change the original firmware, factory or otherwise. This includes updates from Samsung. They don't even have the ability to reset the fuse. It requires surgery on the device.
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That is simply not true. I've updated my Galaxy Note 3 from Samsung official firmware to Samsung official firmware, and my Knox counter is not tripped. I'm sure if what you are saying is true (that any update will trip it), we would have heard from some Android news outlet or from a lot more than one person on XDA.
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I and many others up- and downgrade already their Note with OTA, Kies, Odin and so long you flash a original firmware signed by Samsung, the Knox counter is not set.
And the story with the warranty is something else. So long we didn't get reports that someone didn't get the warranty, I am observant.
KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
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It took about a week between sending it in and getting it back. The issue I had was that the note would not reboot if you pulled the battery and reinserted without having to connect it to the charger. Before I sent it in, i flashed back to stock using ODIN. I checked the status of the repair and it said they had replaced a component. I wasn't sure if they were going to do anything since I had tripped KNOX counter.
**The kicker**
I got it back today and immediately went into download mode and to my surprise, KNOX was reset to 0X0!! I know they said they were going to flash it back to stock when they got it, but i didn't think KNOX could be reset (even by them).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
This whole Knox thing was worrying me, as a potential UK purchaser of a Note 10.1 2014 who needs root to be able to run several apps that I want to use.
If rooting was going to void the warranty anyway, I would have just bought a cheaper USA model and be done with it (as there would be no UK warranty anyway). However if I should still get my two-years EU warranty then I might pay the exorbitant UK prices for a local model. Someone really ought to introduce the tech companies to the exchange rate (even with taxes & duties, US is still miles cheaper)
Andre
BarryH_GEG said:
KNOX is what it is. It affects probably 5% of people (enthusiasts) who buy Samsung devices. The other 95% don't know what root or a bootloader is and probably won't ever activate KNOX (the app) and it'll lay dormant on their devices forever. KNOX 2.0 is coming so those hoping it'll go away or that the *****ing of the 5% is somehow going to influence Samsung's position on KNOX either have to learn to live with it or buy non-Samsung devices.
BYOD is a huge market and why KNOX exists. The 5% of device owners that hate KNOX and the limitations on modding it applies are expendable.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/new-knox-solutions-being-announced-mwc
As for warranty repairs on KNOX-tripped devices there are plenty of reports I've seen saying the warranty has been honored. That's not to say every regional Samsung repair center is going to play by the same set of rules but it also means there's no hard and fast policy that's corporate-wide designed to screw people out of warranty repairs they are entitled to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2637718
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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With a Jtag box it is possible to downgrade from Knox, provided you have a previously made pre Knox backup. From what I understand, even by rewriting the entire ROM space, you still can't reset the warranty bit. Not sure where exactly it is. As for People11's note coming back with it reset, he mentioned they "replaced a component." Whatever they replaced apparently held the warranty bit. Samsung might not even be able to reset it themselves, but swapping out the right hardware with fresh stuff will (obviously) take care of it.
It is true that only a small percentage of all users are affected by Knox; however, they are all on xda, and in fact make up the vast majority here. Samsung can do whatever they want to their phones, and I'm sure the warranty bit will save them a chunk of change. Still, it doesn't mean it's not a total **** move, and worthy of *****ing. The development behind Samsung devices is part of what makes them so great, and why people love them.
Tossing a big "F you" in the face of the people that make that happen is in bad taste. I also think you are underestimating the amount of users who root their phones, and the influence developers and the like have on a devices success. Not all development is for root users, but the people responsible for the best stuff, root or otherwise, are typically people who use root.
Sure, the galaxy s 5 will never end up being burried en masse out in the desert a la E.T The extraterrestrial, and I'm sure the Samsung executives won't be going hungry anytime soon no matter how much they crack down on warranty claims. Long term, however, I would say that restricting development and a devices friendliness towards modification will have a detrimental effect as time goes on.
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There were 968M smartphones sold in 2013. There are 5M XDA members of varying degrees of participation. Based on how vocal we are here it's easy to overestimate our importance. If unlocked bootloaders, pure android, and unfettered root access were so meaningful you'd think Nexus h/w would make up more than its current 2% of total Android devices in use. The masses could care less about the things XDA'rs do.
But keep in mind the LARGE number of Chinese phones open to root (some use it as a marketing point like Oppo) the Chinese market is full of hackers and modders because that is the only way to access many forms of media, news, and social networking. Combined with the higher average test scores and heavy android preference in the developing nations and I would say the number of people with us is Far greater than 5 million. Enough to make any one company take notice. These people crave freedom. As do I. I think we take the ignorance of the average American consumer and imagine it represents the whole of the world. But in reality America is Just full of idiots and xda represents the few good in the nation (and of course other nations)
Other nations are full of much more savvy and informed consumers. More like us.
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
ps000000 said:
Some of my SS device bought from another country so they have no warranty
I have fun with them a lot rooting/custom rom flashing.
But now with my P601 I bought it in my country it has warranty ....
so I am not thinking about rooting or anything.....
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I have a SquareTrade policy on my Note. However, the SquareTrade excludes damage due to software. So, I would expect that if the Knox flag is tripped then the SquareTrade dollars are worthless. Unless one wants to go the dark route and submerse the Note in water "accidentally."
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I don't that the Knox being tripped would void square trade...
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Square trade man... Saves lives
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
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SMP605- ? brand new
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Tell me more... Is square trade cool or what.. Just spent 656 on a smp605 and I don't know if I have a warranty or not... I know inhabe a month and 127 bucks is not allot.
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ZLP- SM-N900W8/Att-ST/OxO/CWM/ViSiOn NB7_4.4.2,Madmack 2.0
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Just go to the square trade website.
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Will be in the near future a way to Root The Note 4 WITHOUT Tripping KNOX? I want to root but don't want to loose my warranty.
Is it possible???
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
Uniquebarbee said:
i doubt it if so it will be months away but rooting alone does not void Warranty
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Are you sure about this?
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Are you sure about this?
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From what i've read it's supposed to void your warranty, yet there's people who say they've had warranty repairs carried out with KNOX tripped, so it's pot luck as far as i tell
Have them explain how tripping knox broke your hardware.
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I work for an authorized Samsung Service Center in Canada and we do not check knox fuse when you bring your device in. Just make sure it's unrooted before you bring it in not to make things too obvious
There must be someone like the dev who create towelroot that didnt trip knox for note3 and previous versions.
Am using it on my tab note 2014 edition.
Honestly, atm it's too risky to root with tripping KNOX and then hope that your warranty service won't care about that. It's a 50/50. Waiting for a non-KNOX root.
If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
Would Knox will be tripped if I install stock firmware through Odin?
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If you're in the EU with all the many consumer protection laws, I doubt Samsung would get away with not repairing a hardware fault on a device unless they can prove it's because you rooted.
I'd soon be taking them to a small claims court if my now unrooted phone screws up within two years and they refused to repair or replace (I tripped knox)
knox being a hardware fuse is simply a shameful attempt by Samsung to claim you have modified the hardware and therefore voiding your warranty.
Just root if you really want it, like people have said before, most repair centres don't care if the knox fuse had been changed.
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Hmm, here in Lithuania, my almost 2 yr old, heavily modified S3's SIM reading died (EFS partition R.I.P) and they said they won't repair it because of obvious reasons. I forgot to unroot though. That's why I'm really scared to touch my N4 yet.
Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
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Just make sure you unroot flash a stock firmware if you have to repair your phone for some reason. Who needs KNOX anyways
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Don't you think those 'professional' guys check KNOX before doing anything?
Actually if you still want to retain warranty status I would suggest to root after 8-9 months(assuming it's 1yr warranty) after getting the phone. If you can maintain that long without going to service centre, I'm certain that one would not need to visit a service centre after rooting the phone.
That way 8-9 mnths from now more developments would have been released and you'll have more things to try out without the need of going to a service centre.
I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
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I'm not sure what professional guys you speak of but the carriers service center does not care when fixing your phone as long as you return to stock firmware before you turn it in. So you could always wait for eternity
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By professional I meant carriers service. So basically once my phone, god let that not happen, breaks, I just install non-rooted firmware with ODIN and I'm good to go?
Yes :good:
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Yes :good:
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Well I'ma trust you on this one, let the customization begin!
:good: ^5 welcome to the darkside
I'm not rooted yet but am considering it once a few more weeks pass.
If something's fundamentally wrong with the hardware, it should manifest within a month, I'd like to think. Plus, I've never had a phone need repairs in the past. Which obviously bears no relation to this one going bad or not.
I doubt there'll be a ton of ROM choices for the Duos version but Play Store, Titanium, and Nandroids are nice to have.
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Hi guys,
I bought a brand new Note 4 at the end of January to replace my completely busted HTC One M8, and i'm wondering, is it REALLY worth it to trip the KNOX Warranty status to 0x1 to Root and install a Custom ROM? Would love to hear some feedback as I love the device and its my first Samsung since the Note 3 (which i never voided my KNOX warranty on)
Thanks in advance!
kylebeattie11 said:
Hi guys,
I bought a brand new Note 4 at the end of January to replace my completely busted HTC One M8, and i'm wondering, is it REALLY worth it to trip the KNOX Warranty status to 0x1 to Root and install a Custom ROM? Would love to hear some feedback as I love the device and its my first Samsung since the Note 3 (which i never voided my KNOX warranty on)
Thanks in advance!
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This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access). Once again, if you do not use KNOX, no worries.
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing apps from Google Play.
LTE-X said:
This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access).
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing an app from Google Play.
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Thanks for cleaning that up for me, didn't really know that!
kylebeattie11 said:
Thanks for cleaning that up for me, didn't really know that!
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Sure, not a problem mate!
LTE-X said:
This is a common misconception that people have. KNOX warranty does not void your entire phone's warranty. It only voids your KNOX security portion of the warranty. If you do not use KNOX, you don't have to worry about the KNOX flag. When KNOX flag goes up, the phone loses its secure storage environment access (your phone is saying that it cannot run KNOX mode anymore because some file intruded the KNOX secure environment storage access). Once again, if you do not use KNOX, no worries.
There is nothing holding you back from rooting. It comes down to your personal preference. Personally, I am not a fan of rooting because I just think that there are sufficient customization that I can do by installing apps from Google Play.
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complete lie. it voids your entire warranty. stop lying to everyone.
quote from chainfire :
Worse than that, I've also been hearing that service center instructions are indeed that devices with this status tripped will not receive any warranty repairs.
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It really does depend on where you live in the world to how knox trips effect warranty claims. Here in New Zealand if theres any software issues and the knox flag is tripped you are not covered. But if it is a hardware fault then you covered under our consumer gaurentees act. It will be worth finding out for your specific countries laws around this issue and to see if you are covered, then make an educated decision.
i rooted mine.. but i cant really say that im using anything specific now im rooted (yeah greenify with root acces and titanium backup and a kernel) still on stock lollipop rom.
my wife got her huawei mate 7 yesterday, and it has to be replaced becouse a problem in the hardware.
I hope that i will still have warranty in case something happens
[email protected] is a KNOX representative in charge of my company. I've sent 11 note tablets for repair with Knox tripped and I've received 11 replacements for free. Go ahead and contact this representative and find out for yourself instead of accusing people of false information.
do you seriously not understand the difference between a corporate account with a high priced maint agreement and a free service center claim by a consumer ?
zurkx said:
do you seriously not understand the difference between a corporate account with a high priced maint agreement and a free service center claim by a consumer ?
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Corporate account with a high priced maint agreement is referring strictly to when a company purchases the products in bulk from Samsung directly. We did not do that here. We've purchased around 130 units from BestBuy, not Samsung. With that being said, Samsung treat us like a normal customer, not a corporate customer. If there were hardware problems, we'll be responsible for shipping and parts needed for repair just like a normal customer.
LTE-X said:
Corporate account with a high priced maint agreement is referring strictly to when a company purchases the products in bulk from Samsung directly. We did not do that here. We've purchased around 130 units from BestBuy, not Samsung. With that being said, Samsung treat us like a normal customer, not a corporate customer. If there were hardware problems, we'll be responsible for shipping and parts needed for repair just like a normal customer.
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lets not be silly here. you have a samsung.com guy with an email address assigned for your use. your average consumer does not buy a 130(!) devices. they buy one. and they do not return 11(!) units. they return one. and so far the average person here across literally dozens of threads has been rejected for having the knox warranty flag tripped.
i assure you that if you go into a service center today with a knox flag tripped on your personal device they will tell you to get lost. im sure if you return it thru your corporate contact on the other hand it will be replaced no questions asked. if you buy $65,000 worth of hardware (130 devices at $500-ish each) samsung is not going to treat you like an individual would be treated.
I will not argue here. When you contact Samsung KNOX department, you are automatically assigned to a representative, who is responsible for all activities including the repair. I did not disclose that we purchased 130 devices to representative. I did not return these units all at once. This has been accompolished one by one in just over a year. I also did not disclose I was an IT manager. Therefore, the rep had no idea of my occupation, my company, how many devices I own, and how many devices I am actually having problems with.
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Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
LTE-X said:
[/COLOR]Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
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what did the exact line item say ? Does it give the exact part number of the efuse ?
LTE-X said:
I will not argue here. When you contact Samsung KNOX department, you are automatically assigned to a representative, who is responsible for all activities including the repair. I did not disclose that we purchased 130 devices to representative. I did not return these units all at once. This has been accompolished one by one in just over a year. I also did not disclose I was an IT manager. Therefore, the rep had no idea of my occupation, my company, how many devices I own, and how many devices I am actually having problems with.
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Also, I apologize for what I said about being free. Upon checking the receipt of repair, $10 fee was added for parts (ATK88 Efuse). It stated labor, shipping and other adhesives are included in the limited 1 year warranty; thus $0 was added. Total cost was $10. There were no taxes added to the final cost.
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zurkx said:
what did the exact line item say ? Does it give the exact part number of the efuse ?
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Holy **** yes, if we know exactly what's the part and how to replace it we can solve the problem!
Here is exactly what it says.
Parts: Costs:
EFuse(P/N: ATK88) $10
EFuse(P/N: ATK89) Included(ATK88)
EFuse(P/N: ATK89//18) Included(ATK89)
EFuse EEPROM SW. Included under dep. //18
Adhesives/Labor. Refer to Terms and Conditions
Total Cost: $10
I don't have time or energy to poke around the phone anymore and compared to the Galaxy S3, Note 4 is not as bloated or slow, I don't have any stutter or lag and I don't care about custom roms for now, so there really isn't any reason for me to root at the moment. Only real thing I'd want to do if I were to root would be to increase volume on headphones and remove the bloody notification about too high volume, but I can live with that. I got free premium insurance from the carrier because I preordered it so knox wouldn't matter if I were to need repairs.
gabrymr said:
I don't have time or energy to poke around the phone anymore and compared to the Galaxy S3, Note 4 is not as bloated or slow, I don't have any stutter or lag and I don't care about custom roms for now, so there really isn't any reason for me to root at the moment. Only real thing I'd want to do if I were to root would be to increase volume on headphones and remove the bloody notification about too high volume, but I can live with that. I got free premium insurance from the carrier because I preordered it so knox wouldn't matter if I were to need repairs.
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I personally always root so I can use automatic backup + upload to google drive of Titanium Backup. That thing has saved my ass so many times I've lost count.
Plus, upgrading to a new phone is a breeze since you can just restore settings with titanium.
Also, Cerberus. If you're rooted you can flash cerberus from TWRP, which makes it impossible to remove, even with full wipe and reflash.
at service centers , they do not check root status by accessing your phone
They just boot in odin mode and check whether device status is 0x1 or 0x0 and if it is 0x1 they will just consider warranty is voided and wont cover it.
If your device status is 0x1 you can never change it to 0x0 again.
End of the story :- you have to pay every buck for the damage
I've not rooted for this very reason. The local UK repairers for the shop I buy my gear from says they will not warranty service a rooted device. Kinda sucks as isn't this the benefit of Android?!
Secondly, I've not found a reason to lose my warranty over this as every samsung device I've owned over the last 5 years has been returned under warranty for one reason or another (note through to note 4 plus Tab s).
Guess ill wait another 6 months to root
I've always TWRPed and rooted my phones in the past but I am struggling to live with the fact that if I do this with my S7E I'll be tripping KNOX (whatever the implications might be) and that action is irreversible. (I live in the UK btw)
I had a S6E and rooted using pingpong so all was good then (although missing Xposed was a bit of a bummer) but still had KNOX intact and my conscious clean.
I need help to overcome the fear of tripping KNOX; rooted and especially Xposed make life easier.
Thanks!
Okay simple:
UK here on EE
Knox = Never effected my warranty
Knox = Security Suit, Its for Businesses, So we can issue devices without the risk of someone accessing data on the device we wish to not grant.
i.e. a Client application that holds all client details requires a level of security for Data protection.
On this we cannot allow unauthorised application to access the system in case of data breach
If there was no Knox we would have no way to control this.
Rooting a device breaks the security of Knox, hence the Trip on the counter.
This just means for someone like me, i can see that someone has attempted to access the system in ways not permitted in the contract.
In other countries the Knox has voided peoples warranty, But i find it a hard ground for them to stand on considering its all Software.
I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?
dave7802 said:
Okay simple:
UK here on EE
Knox = Never effected my warranty
Knox = Security Suit, Its for Businesses, So we can issue devices without the risk of someone accessing data on the device we wish to not grant.
i.e. a Client application that holds all client details requires a level of security for Data protection.
On this we cannot allow unauthorised application to access the system in case of data breach
If there was no Knox we would have no way to control this.
Rooting a device breaks the security of Knox, hence the Trip on the counter.
This just means for someone like me, i can see that someone has attempted to access the system in ways not permitted in the contract.
In other countries the Knox has voided peoples warranty, But i find it a hard ground for them to stand on considering its all Software.
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I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?
ombadboy said:
I actually purchased it from Amazon.de but the same should apply.
Regardless, the only thing (that we currently know of) that affects 'us' as consumers is the loss of Samsung Pay (if and when it arrives in the UK). Is there anything else that goes along with KNOX?
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But does Knox void the manufacturers warranty or not?
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But does Knox void the manufacturers warranty or not?
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This is open for debate and there are known examples either way. It certainly didn't in the past here in the UK, or perhaps I was just lucky. Around 18 months ago I sent my S4 in for repair with a faulty sim tray. And despite Knox being tripped, they replaced the mainboard no questions asked and it was returned with a different serial number and Knox at 0x0. However, I have since read about a couple of people sending their S7/S7E off for repair and being refused thanks to a tripped Knox flag.
To sum up, I wouldn't rule out a warranty repair with a knox trip, but nor would I assume it will definitely happen. I suspect it depends on a combination of factors. The repair center and whether the engineer got laid the night before being two of them.