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HTC response on short Battery Life: Expect it!

I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.

Bobins24 said:
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
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Because as they said that measurement procedure is a standard that everybody follows, so it would be stupid to do it differently, why "not lie" when everybody does so (and they actually probably wouldn't be allowed to do it differently).

Bobins24 said:
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What can i say........except that HTC should look in to the real world more often!

I use many phones, from htc, and from other company , my last two nokia phones was "business versions" with "everlasting" battery - first e65 least 40h , second - better version - only 22h ( e66) - it's normal - in this world

If HTC say it's a standard EU process, then perhaps we should campaign to get the EU standard changed as the current published figures give no indication of the phones real performance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the phone but I've never seen one like this go flat in such a short time when on standby.

i love how they say it lasts up to 490 hours on standby, but 24 hours is what they would expect
it's actually ridiculous how deceitful these companies are, we deserve better than this
it's not right that they lie right to our faces to what we are getting and how we have no rights
just not right.

I think we need a bit of a reality check here. I'm not especially inclined to defend HTC but they have a point about the stuff that may be running on the phone. Anyone who has tried some new toys must have encountered one that sucks the life out of the battery for no obvious reason - scale that down and extrapolate across a raft of apps that most of us here will have on our phones and you will get a host of variations in terms of battery life...which is exactly what we do get.
Secondly, as kilrah said, that's the way battery life is measured. Instead of whining about it we should treat it as a relative indicator against other phones because that's about all it is good for. I suspect most say 'up to...' in small letters in front of their stand by and talk times anyway.
If I were to buy a car because the specs say that it does 40 miles to the gallon I'd be a mug to expect it to do that when I'm thrashing down the motorway towing a trailer with the windows and sun roof open. But I might well buy it in preference to a car that claims 30 mpg because in the long run it will probably cost me less in running costs.
You pays your money and you takes your choice...I don't personally see any significant misrepresentation in this, but there may be a little end user misunderstanding?

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No surprise here. I observed the same discrepancy on all my phones till now - Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, HTC.
Actually I use my phone a lot and I'm more than happy with its performance so far - huge and bright screen, powerful CPU... What are your expectations? 48 hours? A week?
If you think, this is something impressive, go and buy yourself a new monitor and then just measure the advertised contrast ratio - 10000:1 ? Seriously? In fact it is only 700:1. Nothing more to say.
Watch Out: Crazy Contrast Ratios

Exact. And especially on smartphones it's absolutely impossible for the manufacturer or a standards organisation to imagine how you will use your device.
If they can quote anything, it's stock configuration, open the box, put sim card in, press power on, enter your pin, put phone in standby, leave it there, note how long it lasts. That's all.
Knowing that you can do so many things on it, install so many programs that can do what they want to the phone, and that depending on usage the battery life can vary anywhere between 2 hours and 4 days it's totally impossible, by whatever means, to quote something realistic.

When you buy a WM device (or any other Lith-Ion device for that matter) you should know what to expect with regards to battery life, it's not rocket science.
Lithium-Ion batteries are poor, until battery technology is improved it's what we should have come to expect.

That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.

battery life
I turned htc sense off on my phone and now the battery lasts 2-2.5 days with what i would deem reasonable use ie using the internet checking emails texting and 4 or 5 calls a day , if i turn sense back on the battery life drops to about 15 hours so i can live without sense !!! Im far more concerned about the speaker problems and pink photos than the battery )

kilrah said:
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
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I assume you are replying to me?
After having 4 HTC devices, I didn't expect anything more from the HD2 than I got from the Wizard or my Kaiser or my Diamond, if anything it was obviously going to be poorer due to the huge screen, hardware and all the software I knew I would be using.

I think your best chance of getting their claimed hours would be by:
1. Completely charging the battery;
2. Use a bare-bone ROM with absolutely nothing installed
3. Switching off all radio signals.. (that is, put the phone in flight mode so that the phone is not transmitting like wireless, bluetooth or anything else at all...)
4. leaving the phone on standby with the screen off.
Of course, noone uses their phone like that, but HTC have used the term "up to" to protect themselves...
HTC would be stupid to change the way they rate their times since every other company is using the same method. I doubt anyone would want to buy a phone that says "Standby Up to 24hours" when every other phone has "Standby Up to 500hours" At best, the rated hours could be used as a comparison/indicator against other phones.

I'm celebrating two weeks into life with my HD2, and after suffering water damage with my HD which had no effect except to bring battery life down to 8 hours a day, I'm really pleased with my 24-28 hours of battery life.
On days I'm using it a lot, I expect 15 hours. However the other day I barely touched the phone (no calls, no music, no random turning on the screen) and I was on 65% after 24 hours, which I felt was good.
I agree with the OP, their quotes are a joke, but I don't look at specs, I look at reviewers to tell me "I expect a day's life from this phone" etc. when I choose a phone. With a screen this size I don't expect miracles, but again, it does feel like a blatant lie when they suggest the phone can sit for weeks without dying, and i give manufacturers (including HTC) no credit for being economical with the truth to their customers.

My SEX1 used to last a few hours more, having a smaller screen, larger battery, and less than half the processor. They specced same timings, as I said I got a few hours more. I doubt Iphone or any other manufacturer, will spec their device like, Standby time 24hrs, talk time 4 hrs. Who would buy such a device?
Anyway I didn't expect it to last any longer. Good thing is I'm in front of my pc for long hours, no harm in letting the phone plugged in.

Isn't draining the Li-Ion actually shortens the battery life?
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown

It's called Business Opportunity
All companies all over the world is like HTC.
Whenever there is a problem, they will direct you to purchase something to "solve" the problem.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : Screen too sensitive
HTC "solution" : special screen protector (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : this, that, this , that,
HTC "solution" : you pay, we gain profit!
That's the real world scenario....
Conclusion : HTC = poor quality product(s) at expensive price.

rickyoon.vegas said:
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
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Auto forced shutdown is at 3.6V, which has a lot of margin not to cause damage.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
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Sensible solution: if you want battery life of more than 1-2 days, do not get a smartphone, especially not one that has the fastest processor on the market and a 4.3" screen. And read reviews that will tell you "you'll get 1-2 days" and "it lasts just a bit more than an iphone". I.e. Educate yourself.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
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Sensible solution: Realise you have a large piece of GLASS in front of you, and take care of it as such. Don't drop it, don't sit on it,...
We know how the HD2 behaves. If you read a couple of reviews, you know too. If you now buy it and still complain, there's not much we, or HTC, can do for you.

A Complaint Letter to HTC - Battery Life

I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.

JohnnyRebel said:
I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.
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I will do the same HTC India as well

Great News
Sheldon.mathews said:
I will do the same HTC India as well
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Glad to hear it, I hope more follow suit. The way I see it is the XDA forums in the Desire HD section gets an astonishing number of hits. If even 1 out of every 500 people that just read the Desire HD threads write a complaint in regards to a battery it will have a swift impact on a battery upgrade option for the desire hd.

Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho

Scarey to think about eh?
Drakknar said:
Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho
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Never quite looked at it that way but maybe it is a HTC conspiracy. Give them just enough to keep them coming back. Regardless I hope you voice you concern to HTC too and maybe we'll see that 1500/1600 mAh battery in the near future.

You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.

I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.

No offense, but I seriously hope you wrong!
dr.m0x said:
You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.
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There is no doubt a new flag ship is just around the corner. And yes I've heard the density argument several times, but I'm praying they still have a trick or two up their sleeves that they have yet to reveal. ;0) Besides, it can never hurt to take a shot even when the odds look overwhelming. But hey who knows, when they respond to me they might just admit I'm SOL. We'll see what the future reveals.

Glad you're happy.
springy said:
I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.
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A day and a half and I'd be ecstatic. I get a full day too, but refrain from allot of the everyday tasks I'd also like to accomplish. I spend 14-16hrs away from home 5-6days a week. Normally by the time I return home my phone is warning me about 15% battery. Yes I could charge it while in my car, yes I could swap batteries (but I HATE the battery cover), and finally yes I could plug it into an outlet for awhile (abandoning my contact with 99.9% of the world) . To me 1230mAh seems exceptionally low for a smart phone doesn't it? Especially is you design one with such a power hungry screen? There are tons of things I do love about this phone and I mean tons. But in a year if this isn't resolved I'll remember it as the awesome phone that ate batteries. Lastly though all I can say is thank god for all the brilliant developers who are coming up with commendable ways to stretch our battery life further. And shame on HTC for just standing by on the sidelines.

The thing is, I don't think anything can really be done to make a battey big enough. Yes you can buy some 1300mAH - 1600mAH but they tend to be worse then the 1230mAH we have in the DHD. The software can be optimised but the main thing is the screen. To be honest, the DHD had a design flaw, a slot that was not big enough to house a battery that can contain more than 1230mAH. The only way we can go forward is hope that new battery technology comes out soon, but this is around 3-5 years away from current experiments technology from what I have seen...
But also, other phones are in the same situations. All battery of under 2000mAH will be terrible. Phones if you want it to last would need at least 10000mAH in my opinion, and again we are around 3-5 years away from this happening at the earliest for a credible solution..

Hate to say it but complaining will be fruitless as htc already have your money.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.

Yes, there is no point complaining because they have no obligation to comply. Even if they really have the technology to provide a better battery, it simply not a viable business strategy to design a new battery for a phone that soon to be replace by next generation of androids. Its not just HTC, every business is like this, they provide a good product, but always reserve better for the next product cycle. Thats why most updated technology usually takes 5-10years to actually reach consumer market.

I don't think the battery of the HTC Desire HD is so bad, I easy get about 1 day and 12 hours with all options on, ofcourse I don't use battery comsuming apps like twitter, I mean if you are so active with a phone then most smartphones will barely make the day.
I think we should be happy that the battery is removeable, just look at the iPhone, the battery is not removeable and to extend the battery life they need use a external battery, no thanks then I rather carry one spare battery with me for just in case I would need it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...nes-could-run-for-months-between-charges.html
That is the technology I head about 6 months ago... now widely reported... this is what will solve our battery problem... Having 1500mAH won't do anything about from extend the life for a few hours.
Too bad we are 3-5 years for it to get anywhere near market consumption

omg
really the battery in the htc desire hd is hopeless....

Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/

JohnnyRebel said:
I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential...
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This obviously doesn't solve the root cause, but if you're willing to spend around 50 USD google for something like "PB-5000 Phone Charger", it's 5000mAh...

my Desire HD has the exact same issue, with only 10-12 hrs maximum with half the features off. i am seriously considering buying the HTC Desire, just for the sake of the battery.
there is a very easy and acceptable solution for this problem. can't they make a charging case or a charging cover or a case holding the 2nd battery being in action for the HTC Desire HD? they have done it for the iPhone. i have mailed so many companies with this idea (including mugen and HTC), however no one replied.
I also have a question: how much does LeeDroid improve the battery issue??? as in how many more hrs does it give me?
Thanks, Best Regards, Android Asim

Trouble? Not so much.....
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.

dhiral.v said:
Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/
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Sounds pretty good. I like my DHD and all its awesome functions but having to be so careful about battery consumption really is a pain in the ***. The phone's screen is pretty darn nice to look at, but I have it set to 25% brightness just to keep consumption down a bit. Seriously, using the DHD's screen for 4 hours the battery is almost empty.
I'd really have no problem settling with a 'less pretty' screen if it would mean I could use my phone for more than 4 hours a day.
chumbagen said:
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.
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My typical use during a day:
-Unplug it at around 8:00
-Making calls for about 30 minutes
-Sending ~25 SMS
-Internet for about 2 hours (1 hour wifi and 1 hour 3G/H)
-Listening to music for about 1 hour
-Checking my awesome team in RunFootball ~5 times a day
-Plug it in at around 22:00
At 22:00, the battery is usually down to below 15%. I have GPS, BT, wifi and 3G off unless actively using them. With my screen brightness set at a low 25% the maximum screen time I can get out off my DHD is 4 hours. There are no rogue apps running in the background.
Honestly, a phone with this type of power consumption needs atleast an 1800mAh battery to last me through a day without me worrying about it.

POLL - Will you or Will you NOT get the S6?

We have now read many articles, blogs and forums on the S6 ... I was just interested in what your thoughts were thus far, and it really boils down to these poll choices.
Please make your selection and lets see what the general mood is!

My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.

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My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.
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But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.

se1000 said:
But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.
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Agree that it'd be hard to forget to charge the phone when just dropping it on a plate but am I willing to pay more for said plate just for convience? The phones will already command a premium price and the wireless charging plate doesn't come in the box.

se1000 said:
But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.
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I am not comparing S3 battery with new phones... its not what i typed...
All im saying is that i enjoy just simply popping the battery in the back in 5 seconds and being on my way. That is my preference. If the wireless charger comes included and isnt finicky on placement then yea. In any case i have nothing more to contribute. I really like the way the S6 looks though.

I will get it.

Not

Can't live w/o
Taking out the battery has saved my rear end many times. Also, unless it comes with a 128gb of useable storage I would need a SD slot. I hope that they wouldn't do the same to Note5.

TheExtra404 said:
I am not comparing S3 battery with new phones... its not what i typed...
All im saying is that i enjoy just simply popping the battery in the back in 5 seconds and being on my way. That is my preference. If the wireless charger comes included and isnt finicky on placement then yea. In any case i have nothing more to contribute. I really like the way the S6 looks though.
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I get what you're saying, I really do, but the battery life on newer devices are just in a different league, and keep in mind you're 3 generations behind. Assuming the S6 has similar battery performance to that of the S5, you will be able to use your phone twice to almost 3 times as long as your current S3.
Also remember, with Quick Charge 2.0, you go from flat to 50% in 30 ish minutes. If you notice you've forgotten to charge your phone when you wake up, plug it in and by the time you head out the door it'll have quite a bit of juice. Again, given the stamina of these new phones, at 50% you're still looking at what you would consider a days worth of usage. The Note 4 comes with a QC2.0 charger, I'm assuming the S6 will as well, so there's no extra charge for this.
It's not perfect, just want to point out that it's not like how it was just even a few short years ago. For example, between I've been running a Z2 and Z3 for the last year or so and with the stamina these devices have, I've never ever gone flat before a day is over. This is including those days where I've had to take a red-eye flight, used the phone the whole flight to listen to music and wasn't around a wall plug the next day. Not a full 48, but a solid 36hrs of moderate to heavy usage.

No due to all of the below:
1. No SD card - I am not paying threefold for internal storage
2. No removable battery - I keep my phones for a long time so I like to have an option to replace battery that won't hold charge anymore
3. Exynos CPU - no more Cyanogenmod means at best I'm stuck with touchwiz, thanks but no, I don't like that bloat on my phones

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My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.
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I need to get away from Sony. I love the phone, but their mobil division is unstable, and I want to switch to a company that is more secure. Samsung S6 won it over for me above the M9 and any other phone

no to all of the above.. even if I was to agree on losing the up until now standard Galaxy features of the battery and SD I would rather get a Nexus

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Turno Charging damage battery lifespan??

As the title suggests will Turbo Charging damage the lifespan of the battery?
I have never had a fast charging phone like this before (Still don't -Yet lol), it seems amazing but surely it must damage the battery lifespan. It can't be good to charge it via the Turbo Charger everyday could it? Are we meant to charge it via Turbo Charger everyday or only when needed type of thing.
Sorry if these questions seem daft they probably are but I am going to search the internet but most of the times you can get better answers on here and people can talk from experience.
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See Joe Levi's article on Pocketnow.com about this. No it won't harm the battery at all. The new tech is better.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
See Joe Levi's article on Pocketnow.com about this. No it won't harm the battery at all. The new tech is better.
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Wikid article explained it very very well. Thanks for the heads up. [emoji106]
I reccomend everyone else who was concerned like me to read it too ...
http://m.pocketnow.com/2014/12/25/speed-chargers
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Doesn't quickcharge also only kick in when the battery is <25% or something?

Here is a quote from the article :
"Will this shorten the expected lifespan of the battery? Probably not, thanks to the extra intelligence in the charging circuit."
So the answer to the question started by the OP is MAYBE.
Not too convincing to me.
I think it's a lame excuse to place a smaller battery in the phone in an attempt to get us all to buy a new phone more often so as to keep the manufacturer in the black...money wise that is!
I never use these fast/turbo chargers and the phone charges just fine, and stays cool besides.

@jaseman ... the thing is I'm happy with a maybe as I thought it was a deffo yes that it damages battery. (I hope that makes sense lol)
But yeah agree 100% all manufactures limit their devices otherwise there would be no need for people to upgrade. Guess its logical from their view.
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If Turbo Charge were an issue. I think we would be seeing many complaints and warnings from users of existing Moto products that already have it.
And anyone with concerns, simply use a regular charger.

Regardless of Turbo Charge or not, the best advice for battery longevity is to charge as often as possible - meaning several charges from 50%+ is better than one 0%+ charge cycle.
I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money.

"I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money."
Just the opposite! They want the battery to go bad! It is non-end-user-replaceable. So either you pay to get a new battery installed (which very few people do) or you buy a NEW phone (which everyone is more than happy to do quite often).
It's like the argument over why no manufacturer ever seems to make the perfect phone? (subjective of course)
If they made the perfect phone you wouldn't feel the need to BUY ANOTHER NEW PHONE every few months!
There is NO PROFIT in selling the perfect phone. So instead of giving us great battery life, they give us a gimmick called quick charge, or rapid charge, or better yet...killer charge!

jaseman said:
"I really doubt that they would use technology that would damage or drastically shorten the lifespan of the battery, they are a for profit company after all and purposefully increasing Warranty/MotoCare replacement costs doesn't seem to be in line with making money."
Just the opposite! They want the battery to go bad! It is non-end-user-replaceable. So either you pay to get a new battery installed (which very few people do) or you buy a NEW phone (which everyone is more than happy to do quite often).
It's like the argument over why no manufacturer ever seems to make the perfect phone? (subjective of course)
If they made the perfect phone you wouldn't feel the need to BUY ANOTHER NEW PHONE every few months!
There is NO PROFIT in selling the perfect phone. So instead of giving us great battery life, they give us a gimmick called quick charge, or rapid charge, or better yet...killer charge!
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What % of people buy a new phone every few months compared to every year or 2? Like 1% to 99%? You think HTC, Sony or Nokia would rather have their cell phone divisions go under than make the "perfect" phone?
Not to mention, a perfect phone now would not be a perfect phone in 1-2 years with new technology.

battery degrade

Hi
I currently have the 6p, but notice the battery start to degrade fast... Only 2 hours of sot total.
Should I replace the battery?.. Huawei quotes me 50$usd for the repair... But since the phone is already 1.5yrs, I worry that if I replace the battery and other components inside the phone start to fail, which add total fixing cost
Anyone had the same experience????

Anyone

I just got an "oem" battery off ebay for 13 bucks and put it in myself and i went from 72% capacity on the original battery to 101% on the new one. Night and day with on screen time. Just do it yourself dude its pretty easy and 20 videos on YouTube of how to do it.

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I just got an "oem" battery off ebay for 13 bucks and put it in myself and i went from 72% capacity on the original battery to 101% on the new one. Night and day with on screen time. Just do it yourself dude its pretty easy and 20 videos on YouTube of how to do it.
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You had all the tools & how long did it honestly take you in time+aggravation?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nexus+6p+battery+replacement
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mousefai0922 said:
Hi
I currently have the 6p, but notice the battery start to degrade fast... Only 2 hours of sot total.
Should I replace the battery?.. Huawei quotes me 50$usd for the repair... But since the phone is already 1.5yrs, I worry that if I replace the battery and other components inside the phone start to fail, which add total fixing cost
Anyone had the same experience????
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https://www.ubreakifix.com/locations had quoted me $90 with quick turnaround (possibly same day with 90 day warranty), how long did Huawei tell you it would take & where would you have to mail it ($50+postage)?
Your fingerprint reader always works flawlessly & how often do you reboot?

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You had all the tools & how long did it honestly take you in time+aggravation?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nexus+6p+battery+replacement
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https://www.ubreakifix.com/locations had quoted me $90 with quick turnaround (possibly same day with 90 day warranty), how long did Huawei tell you it would take & where would you have to mail it ($50+postage)?
Your fingerprint reader always works flawlessly & how often do you reboot?
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Huawei asked me to wait for five days for the repair.
Quite frankly, the phone is already 1.5yr and I m skeptical now should do I do the battery swap at all

mousefai0922 said:
Huawei asked me to wait for five days for the repair.
Quite frankly, the phone is already 1.5yr and I m skeptical now should do I do the battery swap at all
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Battery replacement for $50 - $90 is worth it to me since it's still a solid device with front facing stereo speakers, something else out there have your attention?
People are reporting the battery replacement as very helpful: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/6p-affected-bij-shutdown-issue-t3547266/page3
Does the $50 include postage (& did Huawei ask you to reset the device or for your password)?

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Battery replacement for $50 - $90 is worth it to me since it's still a solid device with front facing stereo speakers, something else out there have your attention?
People are reporting the battery replacement as very helpful: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/6p-affected-bij-shutdown-issue-t3547266/page3
Does the $50 include postage (& did Huawei ask you to reset the device or for your password)?
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Sometime, gadget becomes obsolete overtime.
Lets say I done the battery, and later an other components become defective, more Money to pay for repair.
And also, one problem I notice is that the ram use is near 95% on a one day basis. As apps become more.ram intensive, the 6p may not able to handle task later isn't?

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Battery replacement for $50 - $90 is worth it to me since it's still a solid device with front facing stereo speakers, something else out there have your attention?
People are reporting the battery replacement as very helpful: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/6p-affected-bij-shutdown-issue-t3547266/page3
Does the $50 include postage (& did Huawei ask you to reset the device or for your password)?
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Im looking at oneplus 5 or mi 6...
Don't wanna spend too much on phone nowadays

mousefai0922 said:
Sometime, gadget becomes obsolete overtime.
Lets say I done the battery, and later an other components become defective, more Money to pay for repair.
And also, one problem I notice is that the ram use is near 95% on a one day basis. As apps become more.ram intensive, the 6p may not able to handle task later isn't?
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Batteries have a very limited life cycle which is why I prefer user-replaceable batteries but the Nexus 6P isn't otherwise obsolete beyond its original battery & will reportedly get Android O+security updates to at least Sept 2018. If other components do become defective beyond the expected battery you don't have to invest further but my Samsung Note 4 with user replaceable battery still works fine at over 2.5 years, it's just not the best anymore.
Yes more RAM is helpful especially if you like to keep many active apps going simultaneously but many Android devices out there still have 3GB RAM or less so the 6P's RAM won't make it obsolete soon. OnePlus 5 with 6-8GB RAM is an option if you don't mind not having user replaceable battery nor expandable storage but I'm also considering the LG V20 which can be had <$400 in the US now https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/lg-v20-worth-getting-2017-model-t3630476. I have an open mind about new devices especially after they've been thoroughly reviewed but my Nexus 6P battery experience does have me questioning the wisdom of enclosed batteries when battery degradation can be experienced so quickly.
Are you in the US?

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Batteries have a very limited life cycle which is why I prefer user-replaceable batteries but the Nexus 6P isn't otherwise obsolete beyond its original battery & will reportedly get Android O+security updates to at least Sept 2018. If other components do become defective beyond the expected battery you don't have to invest further but my Samsung Note 4 with user replaceable battery still works fine at over 2.5 years, it's just not the best anymore.
Yes more RAM is helpful especially if you like to keep many active apps going simultaneously but many Android devices out there still have 3GB RAM or less so the 6P's RAM won't make it obsolete soon. OnePlus 5 with 6-8GB RAM is an option if you don't mind not having user replaceable battery nor expandable storage but I'm also considering the LG V20 which can be had <$400 in the US now https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/lg-v20-worth-getting-2017-model-t3630476. I have an open mind about new devices especially after they've been thoroughly reviewed but my Nexus 6P battery experience does have me questioning the wisdom of enclosed batteries when battery degradation can be experienced so quickly.
Are you in the US?
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I used to live in US, but now in HK.
Replaceable battery smartphones are good old days, just forget about them lol.
Android updates is always nice, but since the phone battery degrade (not even two years), i wonder whats the really use of the updates. Also, i do notice al google phone had problems after one year since the update, i wonder google did it on purpose or not. if i had the newest update patch update but the phone is malfunction, then what the point right?
my wife had a lg g4 for more then 2 years, and the battery for that phone is still great (doesnt look like and degreation to me at all).
I had been using nexus ssince galaxy, nexus 5 and 6p now. To me, they dont last very long compare to other phone (2 years for all my previous phone).
I think i will get a cheaper phone (oneplus or mi) as i want to be open about other brands phone as well.
nexus or pixel are nice phone, but they tend not to last very long.
I think I will save the 50$-100$ repair $ for the new phone, just wait for the battery to bludge and call it certified.

mousefai0922 said:
I used to live in US, but now in HK.
Replaceable battery smartphones are good old days, just forget about them lol.
Android updates is always nice, but since the phone battery degrade (not even two years), i wonder whats the really use of the updates. Also, i do notice al google phone had problems after one year since the update, i wonder google did it on purpose or not. if i had the newest update patch update but the phone is malfunction, then what the point right?
my wife had a lg g4 for more then 2 years, and the battery for that phone is still great (doesnt look like and degreation to me at all).
I had been using nexus ssince galaxy, nexus 5 and 6p now. To me, they dont last very long compare to other phone (2 years for all my previous phone).
I think i will get a cheaper phone (oneplus or mi) as i want to be open about other brands phone as well.
nexus or pixel are nice phone, but they tend not to last very long.
I think I will save the 50$-100$ repair $ for the new phone, just wait for the battery to bludge and call it certified.
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Google likely doesn't push problematic updates purposely but Android is fragmented. I would however like to see stock Android offer easy OS rollbacks like how Windows updates does when they cause issues..
Device manufacturers however have a profit motive it seems for frequent upgrades even if it's not best for the environment. High end models especially shouldn't be so disposable so I find the disappearance of user-replaceable batteries-storage somewhat shameful but is the trend lately where fashion (thanks Apple) can be more profitable than functionality.
LG G4 has a removable battery according to http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g4-6901.php , Hong Kong should offer you no shortage of cost efficient options, let us know what you decide to do here..

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Google likely doesn't push problematic updates purposely but Android is fragmented. I would however like to see stock Android offer easy OS rollbacks like how Windows updates does when they cause issues..
Device manufacturers however have a profit motive it seems for frequent upgrades even if it's not best for the environment. High end models especially shouldn't be so disposable so I find the disappearance of user-replaceable batteries-storage somewhat shameful but is the trend lately where fashion (thanks Apple) can be more profitable than functionality.
LG G4 has a removable battery according to http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g4-6901.php , Hong Kong should offer you no shortage of cost efficient options, let us know what you decide to do here..
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Probably wait until my phone really dies and buy a new phone, save the 100$ for new phone

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Probably wait until my phone really dies and buy a new phone, save the 100$ for new phone
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Don't mean to sound like another pushy American but why drag it out? I assume you find 2 hr SOT unacceptable so why not just resolve it with a battery replacement for your quoted $50 (or even <$100) or use-buy another capable device with acceptable SOT?
Even when I get another device on top of my others, I'll not just toss an otherwise functional Nexus 6P in the trash when a battery replacement for <$100 could bring it back to a reasonable SOT life but I hear you if you don't think it's worth that for you or don't want to risk replacing it yourself but 2 hr SOT deserves to be resolved..

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Probably wait until my phone really dies and buy a new phone, save the 100$ for new phone
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You seem to have pretty much made up your mind. You could save a $100 OR pay around $15 before you're ready to move on, give the diy battery replacement a shot and sell the phone for significantly more than $100. If the battery is solid youll likely find a buyer at a minimum$200.
And if you fail... you're out $15 bucks. Not a huge deal.

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Don't mean to sound like another pushy American but why drag it out? I assume you find 2 hr SOT unacceptable so why not just resolve it with a battery replacement for your quoted $50 (or even <$100) or use-buy another capable device with acceptable SOT?
Even when I get another device on top of my others, I'll not just toss an otherwise functional Nexus 6P in the trash when a battery replacement for <$100 could bring it back to a reasonable SOT life but I hear you if you don't think it's worth that for you or don't want to risk replacing it yourself but 2 hr SOT deserves to be resolved..
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i just personally think phones are design to last around 2 years (some can go three, but rarely.)
the reason i dont repair the phone are
1st: other components may fail in the future, eg charging port
2nd: ram usage may not be enough. I have already reached 85% on 3 hour usage... as apps are more ram hungry, the phone probably get run slow soon.
3rd: some cheap flagship phone are just 300$ price range, quite cheap
4th: i did had a bad experience on previous nexus 5. i took the phone to a repair shop... but seem the shop installed me a knock off battery, the battery die after 3 months of repair. and i knew huawei didnt put the battery to the market.. i wonder how those shop people get the official battery for u to install? or they are fake at the beginning?

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You seem to have pretty much made up your mind. You could save a $100 OR pay around $15 before you're ready to move on, give the diy battery replacement a shot and sell the phone for significantly more than $100. If the battery is solid youll likely find a buyer at a minimum$200.
And if you fail... you're out $15 bucks. Not a huge deal.
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i dont usually sell my old smartphone as i wil put them at home as my gaming devices. Plus, i need two phone (personal and work).. so i might get a cheapass oneplus for personal, and then enxus 6p become my gamnig/secondary devices.
u know the resale value for 6p now?

mousefai0922 said:
i just personally think phones are design to last around 2 years (some can go three, but rarely.)
the reason i dont repair the phone are
1st: other components may fail in the future, eg charging port
2nd: ram usage may not be enough. I have already reached 85% on 3 hour usage... as apps are more ram hungry, the phone probably get run slow soon.
3rd: some cheap flagship phone are just 300$ price range, quite cheap
4th: i did had a bad experience on previous nexus 5. i took the phone to a repair shop... but seem the shop installed me a knock off battery, the battery die after 3 months of repair. and i knew huawei didnt put the battery to the market.. i wonder how those shop people get the official battery for u to install? or they are fake at the beginning?
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I was just saying you shouldn't have to put up with a 2 hr SOT for a primary flagship (yes such primary devices are typically designed to remain a primary 1-2 yrs max), if it will be a secondary used primarily at home that's another story but I wouldn't just assume other components will fail. Android manages ram, 85%-95% of 3GB RAM could still be efficient use of available RAM unless everything gets sluggish but you could always reboot. There are other cheap powerful devices now you could consider. I don't think any place will warranty an installed battery's performance for more than 3 months but hopefully it won't get as bad as fast as the initial battery but might depending on charge cycles. This whole discussion would be far easier if consumers could just pop a $ 10 battery themselves in under a minute but manufacturers don't seem to care to offer that anymore..

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I was just saying you shouldn't have to put up with a 2 hr SOT for a primary flagship (yes such primary devices are typically designed to remain a primary 1-2 yrs max), if it will be a secondary used primarily at home that's another story but I wouldn't just assume other components will fail. Android manages ram, 85%-95% of 3GB RAM could still be efficient use of available RAM unless everything gets sluggish but you could always reboot. There are other cheap powerful devices now you could consider. I don't think any place will warranty an installed battery's performance for more than 3 months but hopefully it won't get as bad as fast as the initial battery but might depending on charge cycles. This whole discussion would be far easier if consumers could just pop a $ 10 battery themselves in under a minute but manufacturers don't seem to care to offer that anymore..
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if the user can replace the battery themselves, then i will be still using my nexus 5

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if the user can replace the battery themselves, then i will be still using my nexus 5
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This discussion has made me think more about RAM however, I know I'm more chill now with my 16 GB RAM ultrabook over prior 4-8GB models that needed more of my attention to RAM management intervention-lookout for upgrades:
http://www.bgr.in/news/oneplus-5-6gb-ram-vs-8gb-ram-performance-comparison/
https://www.androidcentral.com/oneplus-5-do-you-really-need-8gb-ram-phone

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This discussion has made me think more about RAM however, I know I'm more chill now with my 16 GB RAM ultrabook over prior 4-8GB models that needed more of my attention to RAM management intervention-lookout for upgrades:
http://www.bgr.in/news/oneplus-5-6gb-ram-vs-8gb-ram-performance-comparison/
https://www.androidcentral.com/oneplus-5-do-you-really-need-8gb-ram-phone
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3gb on 6p is enough for now... But not sure about the future.....
2 yrs lifespan on a smartphone, I thiNk is well used