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Ventrilo on Android - Let's make it happen!

Greetings!
My name is Daniel Sloof and together with a group of volunteers we have recently been working on a project called Mangler: a Ventrilo compatible client for linux. Mangler is driven by a C library called libventrilo3 and over the past couple of weeks I have been working on making this library compile with the Android-NDK. I am currently succesfully able to build libventrilo3 as a native library that can be used in Android applications. The JNI wrappers are a little lackluster, but they are being worked on.
The main reason for me posting on this forum (amongst others) is because I am looking for skilled Android/Java developers to assist us in working on this open-source project. We're mostly C programmers that have very little Android experience. I expect we could have something functional up within the month, most of the work has already been done: we're pretty much just writing a GUI for an existing backend (and some audio stuff, which is just feeding PCM to one of the native functions).
Thanks for reading! If by this point you're interested in participating or have any specific questions you can just post them here or drop by on IRC. You can find me on freenode #mangler (alias: danslo).

Im so excited for this project! I hope this goes well.

Time for an update and a quick *bump*.
More progress has been made making libventrilo suitable for Android usage. This primarily involves audio stuff, such as upsampling to rates that Android's AudioRecord doesn't support. Buffering in the Android App is still required but this can be done with minimal effort. Of course all of this (and future) progress can be found on our website.
There have also been some android developers peaking around in the IRC channel but no active developer has yet been found, feel free to drop by.
(PS: To moderators: I am cross-posting this on several Android Forums. If this is considered spam, please feel free to take appropriate measures.)

What is your website, I'd like to track your progress.

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What is your website, I'd like to track your progress.
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You can find us at mangler (dot) org though

<-- so happy to see this!~!!

*bump* - still looking for developers

Bump & small update!
I've just managed to record audio on my android device and send it to our ventrilo test server. Even with just 8khz quality (for testing purposes) the transmission sounds loud and clear on my ventrilo client! There is a small bit of delay but that doesn't seem to be caused by either the connection or the speed of the device (HTC Magic); it can probably be fixed with relative ease.
That being said, looks like we've found an Android developer willing to work on the project, but nothing is for certain so we're still looking for decent Java/Android developers to help out.

And up up we go!
Current revision in our repository can now play received audio transmissions! Once that is worked out nicely, all we'll really need is a decent GUI and some minor modifications (process more library events, etc) and we're good to go.
That spot for Android/Java developer is still available

danslo said:
And up up we go!
Current revision in our repository can now play received audio transmissions! Once that is worked out nicely, all we'll really need is a decent GUI and some minor modifications (process more library events, etc) and we're good to go.
That spot for Android/Java developer is still available
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Way to go keep up the good work, can't wait to give it a whirl.

People dont seem to understand the potential of this, what a shame. there should be 100 guys clamoring to do this. if i coded i would be all over this.

Looking forward to seeing what comes of this!

xanaviarai said:
People dont seem to understand the potential of this, what a shame. there should be 100 guys clamoring to do this. if i coded i would be all over this.
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Unfortunately those are the responses we get most of the time Thanks for the support!

I noticed on your website that you recommend Mumble, which I've been a huge fan and contributor since 2007. Any reason not to make Mumble for Android? It's my #1 most wanted app (I've got money on it) and I've heard from quite a few other people who want it, but hardly anyone with the skills/resources to make it happen. Then again it looks like you're in a similar situation, yet still the most qualified.

Pilot_51 said:
I noticed on your website that you recommend Mumble, which I've been a huge fan and contributor since 2007. Any reason not to make Mumble for Android? It's my #1 most wanted app (I've got money on it) and I've heard from quite a few other people who want it, but hardly anyone with the skills/resources to make it happen. Then again it looks like you're in a similar situation, yet still the most qualified.
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Several reasons:
1) I've never worked on Mumble. (I am very familiar with the ventrilo protocol and written quite a chunk of our ventrilo library)
2) It's written in C++, which is not by default supported by the Android NDK. (unlike libventrilo3 which is written in plain C)
3) Mangler seperates a ventrilo library from its GUI interface, which makes it easy to write seperate interfaces to the same library. As far as I know this is not the case with Mumble.
Don't get me wrong, I (we?) think that Mumble is one of the better alternatives for desktop environments.. but Android places some restrictions that are difficult to overcome with the way Mumble was designed.
I hope that answers your question.

Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.

Pilot_51 said:
Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.
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There's pretty much a lack of any GUI toolkit on Android (that includes Qt, but also Gtk, wxWidgets, etc). You are pretty much confined to writing it in Java with the Android SDK. Which isn't really a big issue; you want your stuff to feel like -actual- android apps anyway. The real problem with Mumble integration is the Android NDK's lack of proper (official) C++ support and a way of interfacing with the Mumble network protocol without touching any of the audio/gui stuff.

Pilot_51 said:
Fair enough. I will continue my search.
As I hear from some developers in the Mumble community, the main limitation is the lack of Qt support for Android, but there may be a way to work around the need for Qt. I'm not a programmer (I hope eventually), so I wouldn't know how difficult such a task would be by any standard.
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There is a Qt port for Android underway, so this might help the port once it gets completed.

I've gone off-topic for long enough, but couldn't resist to post. Some dude named pcgod in our mangler IRC channel is working on a Mumble port for Android.. Git repository can be found here:
http://github.com/pcgod/mumble-android
In regards to Mangler... only thing we really still need is a GUI.

Checking out the svn of the project it seems that some work has already been done. Do you only need the GUI now? or the audio stuff too like you wrote in your first post?
EDIT: I just tried it, it manages to login and I can see that there are some users in the test server but how do I start a conversation?

Learning Android embedded development

Hi all,
I have a BSIT with emphasis in software engineering, and I'd like to break into the mobile devices embedded development field (specifically Android). I've never done anything with embedded engineering before. From what I can gather, it's best to learn first Linux embedded engineering and then apply that to Eclipse with a C/C++ CDT understanding, am I correct? As a new grad, I obviously feel that my education hasn't trained me for the real world, but that's not unheard of. The important thing is that I'm a quick learner with a knack for software and I.T.
What would you recommend I start with to self learn embedded engineering for Android mobile devices?
Huge thanks in advance.

Head first is probably the best way to learn. Go to android.com click on the developers link and read the step by step on setting up eclipse/sdk. Start writing apps and improve. anddev.org is a great place for tutorials and general help getting you started. Best of luck!
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Head first is probably the best way to learn. Go to android.com click on the developers link and read the step by step on setting up eclipse/sdk. Start writing apps and improve. anddev.org is a great place for tutorials and general help getting you started. Best of luck!
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Thanks for the tip, however it's not "regular" apps that I want to create. My goal is to equip myself with the knowledge needed to gain an entry or higher type position developing embedded software for microchips at a local company (who happens to be one of the largest developers of mobile processors, etc). I'm currently reading O'Reily's Building Embedded Linux Systems to gain a better understanding of the kernel, etc, but wanted to know if anybody knew of a book or resource that was more catered for Android.

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Thanks for the tip, however it's not "regular" apps that I want to create. My goal is to equip myself with the knowledge needed to gain an entry or higher type position developing embedded software for microchips at a local company (who happens to be one of the largest developers of mobile processors, etc). I'm currently reading O'Reily's Building Embedded Linux Systems to gain a better understanding of the kernel, etc, but wanted to know if anybody knew of a book or resource that was more catered for Android.
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You are talking about embedded software development. What is your definition of 'embedded software'? If it is about small microcontrollers learning android might not useful. You should be able to read and interpret printed circuit board drawings and hardware datasheets to be able to understand how to access the hardware from software. You must also be able to write device drivers to interface with that hardware. If you want to create applications for embedded system you must be able to program using relatively sparse resources. Learning all this from scratch is not easy.

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You are talking about embedded software development. What is your definition of 'embedded software'? If it is about small microcontrollers learning android might not useful. You should be able to read and interpret printed circuit board drawings and hardware datasheets to be able to understand how to access the hardware from software. You must also be able to write device drivers to interface with that hardware. If you want to create applications for embedded system you must be able to program using relatively sparse resources. Learning all this from scratch is not easy.
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I believe that is what I'm trying to do. The position(s) I'm going for are developing software for mobile chipsets (CDMA, etc) to improve power performance, add functionality, etc. I do understand that it will not be an easy task, which is part of the reason I want to do it. There won't be a dime a dozen going for the position, like there are in typical software engineering jobs. Plus, I could really see myself enjoying it since I'm passionate about mobile technology and am an extremely quick learner.
I think I'm on the right track at least with reading a couple of books, one being the highest recommended embedded linux systems book out there (by O'Reily), and the other being catered for embedded linux engineering using Eclipse and the C/C++CDT.

[CM10.X] Developing Question !

Hey lovely community !:laugh:
so guys after the "fight" in the [DEV] thread about developing CM 10.x ...
The thread got closed ! So whats now ?
Will shaaaaan or any other DEV's going on working on this or not ?
I hope you get the the things in the right way ... :highfive:
LOVE YOU <3

Let's forget about CM for a while. Shaan from the first time is speaking for his Samsung Galaxy S Advance and he's got some problem too. Even if he success build the CM for his device, we need someone to port it into GS 3 Mini, so we're far from fully workng CM. So let's wait oliver and the other who really concern about our device GS 3 Mini.

Hey!
Sincerly from my opinion that "fight" was really child`ish. I didnt make a backgroung check on Mac and i dont care what he did in the past as long as he can make something viable for our phones. We can all be "condemned" for not folowing the GNU licence agrement at some point. Anyway its bad that we lost a DEV because some ppl have pride. Afaik the licence doesnt obligate anyone to share, it give you the right to share.
PS: English is not my native language so dont flame about my speling mistake.
PS2: This is just my opinion so take it as is.

Really upset to see that the devellopers where almost done with the first operationnelle version and now everything is gone due to personal ego's!
Unfortunatly I do not have developer skills

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ztandroid said:
Let's forget about CM for a while. Shaan from the first time is speaking for his Samsung Galaxy S Advance and he's got some problem too. Even if he success build the CM for his device, we need someone to port it into GS 3 Mini, so we're far from fully workng CM. So let's wait oliver and the other who really concern about our device GS 3 Mini.
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I'm very unhappy to hear this but ok ...so we have to wait now
But I'm also an owner of the Galaxy Ace device and if I remember rightly there were a lot of Problems too with Maclaw ... but in anyways he is a good Dev.
Enjoy your week!
And sorry for my english ...
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Lol, it was kind of fun. But to bad we have no cm.
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Search about Maclaw and GNU first, then judge..
Maclaw break the rules
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robilaur said:
Hey!
Sincerly from my opinion that "fight" was really child`ish. I didnt make a backgroung check on Mac and i dont care what he did in the past as long as he can make something viable for our phones. We can all be "condemned" for not folowing the GNU licence agrement at some point. Anyway its bad that we lost a DEV because some ppl have pride. Afaik the licence doesnt obligate anyone to share, it give you the right to share.
PS: English is not my native language so dont flame about my speling mistake.
PS2: This is just my opinion so take it as is.
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I respect your opinion, but GNU and GPL clearly state that you HAVE TO SHARE THE SOURCE!
I do not respond to tech support via PM

galdosS3mini said:
Really upset to see that the devellopers where almost done with the first operationnelle version and now everything is gone due to personal ego's!
Unfortunatly I do not have developer skills
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Had maclaw given any proof to prove that he had a operational build? Screenshots or something?
I do not respond to tech support via PM

As a matter of fact he did on his webpage, but he removed it because the thread got closed meaning he's stopped the development.

Yes he had pictures with S3 mini booting CM 10 on his website.
Regarding the GNU-GPL licence...well after taking a closer look and reading carefuly i can say I was wrong and u was right. My appologies.
Anyway we could of given him some time .... maibe he whould of shared it. IDK.
Here is the passage from the GNU-GPL licence to make everything clear to everyone :
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."
Best regards.

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As a matter of fact he did on his webpage, but he removed it because the thread got closed meaning he's stopped the development.
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Not pics about cm booting. Afaik, oliver made a booting cm.
Did he post pics of the stuff he said he fixed?
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Yes he had pictures with S3 mini booting CM 10 on his website.
Regarding the GNU-GPL licence...well after taking a closer look and reading carefuly i can say I was wrong and u was right. My appologies.
Anyway we could of given him some time .... maibe he whould of shared it. IDK.
Here is the passage from the GNU-GPL licence to make everything clear to everyone :
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights."
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Well. He isn't new to xda. He should have followed the rules.
As i already said in the thread, i had no problems if he shared the source when he released the rom. But then, there was no use ot the thread!
If he didn't want to share the source before releasing the rom, he shouldn't have had made that thread in the first place. If he did create the thread, it means he was seeking attention.
Also, did he or did he not ask for donation, before even releasing a single build?
I have seen his ways. That's why i resented.
Also, if he is a real dev, such petty things shouldn't stop him from contributing to the community!
./rant
If you are reading this text, it means that i am too busy currently and won't be tendering any support questions via PM
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leave it at that
thread was closed
we should do the same and move on
end of the day we should all be here for the same reason
to help out to improve and add functionality to our phones
don't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch move on

Shaaan said:
Not pics about cm booting. Afaik, oliver made a booting cm.
Did he post pics of the stuff he said he fixed?
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RIL (call/messages/3G) were fixed from the looks of it.

hi shaaan....i saw that you are from galaxy s advance (same hardware of galaxy s3 mini).....in this evening i will re-start develop from cm10 and stop kernel develop.....(hope that i don't must work)...tomorrow i have 4 days free and i will spend to develop cm10. As i can see Oliver did a great work so i will start from that sources and every change i will publish on his repository. anyway....can you start doing some modifies with your work? The point is this: maclaw after a first compilation had various things working SO he must did something really simple.....such as changing something in BoardConfig.mk. After searching some i founded that we are missing something in this file for RIL problems that can work for our devices (start from there it is the main problem for now). add these in your boardconfig and see if work ( i am at work now and i can't test )
# RIL
BOARD_MOBILEDATA_INTERFACE_NAME := "pdp0"
#SPECIFIED SECRIL(need this to work??/)
BOARD_USES_LIBSECRIL_STUB := true

Benzonat0r said:
As a matter of fact he did on his webpage, but he removed it because the thread got closed meaning he's stopped the development.
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Well that was a very mature move. He cand allways open a new one and post a build if he wanted.
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lupohirp said:
hi shaaan....i saw that you are from galaxy s advance (same hardware of galaxy s3 mini).....in this evening i will re-start develop from cm10 and stop kernel develop.....(hope that i don't must work)...tomorrow i have 4 days free and i will spend to develop cm10. As i can see Oliver did a great work so i will start from that sources and every change i will publish on his repository. anyway....can you start doing some modifies with your work? The point is this: maclaw after a first compilation had various things working SO he must did something really simple.....such as changing something in BoardConfig.mk. After searching some i founded that we are missing something in this file for RIL problems that can work for our devices (start from there it is the main problem for now). add these in your boardconfig and see if work ( i am at work now and i can't test )
# RIL
BOARD_MOBILEDATA_INTERFACE_NAME := "pdp0"
#SPECIFIED SECRIL(need this to work??/)
BOARD_USES_LIBSECRIL_STUB := true
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Hey lupohirp, I've just noticed your Acer Liquid repo! Do you still have that device? :laugh:
- sorry for the OT ^^"

lupohirp said:
hi shaaan....i saw that you are from galaxy s advance (same hardware of galaxy s3 mini).....in this evening i will re-start develop from cm10 and stop kernel develop.....(hope that i don't must work)...tomorrow i have 4 days free and i will spend to develop cm10. As i can see Oliver did a great work so i will start from that sources and every change i will publish on his repository. anyway....can you start doing some modifies with your work? The point is this: maclaw after a first compilation had various things working SO he must did something really simple.....such as changing something in BoardConfig.mk. After searching some i founded that we are missing something in this file for RIL problems that can work for our devices (start from there it is the main problem for now). add these in your boardconfig and see if work ( i am at work now and i can't test )
# RIL
BOARD_MOBILEDATA_INTERFACE_NAME := "pdp0"
#SPECIFIED SECRIL(need this to work??/)
BOARD_USES_LIBSECRIL_STUB := true
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We have already fixed RIL in cm10.
Yes. The boardconfig values are needed for RIL to work.
./rant
If you are reading this text, it means that i am too busy currently and won't be tendering any support questions via PM
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Pezmet said:
Well that was a very mature move. He cand allways open a new one and post a build if he wanted.
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Yeah very, It makes me sick to think how that guy operates, steals Oliver's sources, fixes a few things and wham!! Calls Oliver's surces his own.
lupohirp said:
hi shaaan....i saw that you are from galaxy s advance (same hardware of galaxy s3 mini).....in this evening i will re-start develop from cm10 and stop kernel develop.....(hope that i don't must work)...tomorrow i have 4 days free and i will spend to develop cm10. As i can see Oliver did a great work so i will start from that sources and every change i will publish on his repository. anyway....can you start doing some modifies with your work? The point is this: maclaw after a first compilation had various things working SO he must did something really simple.....such as changing something in BoardConfig.mk. After searching some i founded that we are missing something in this file for RIL problems that can work for our devices (start from there it is the main problem for now). add these in your boardconfig and see if work ( i am at work now and i can't test )
# RIL
BOARD_MOBILEDATA_INTERFACE_NAME := "pdp0"
#SPECIFIED SECRIL(need this to work??/)
BOARD_USES_LIBSECRIL_STUB := true
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For S3 Mini? For real?

Benzonat0r said:
Yeah very, It makes me sick to think how that guy operates, steals Oliver's sources, fixes a few things and wham!! Calls Oliver's surces his own.
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I am not saying that he did not use sources from oliver. But where is the proof that he did use them?
You cant be sure.
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Looking for people that would like to join to a new hardware project

Hi,
I would like to create a wireless device with some sensors and servos... pretty like a robot but with a clear and dedicated purpose. I assume that an android, arduino, or a raspberry pi driven device would be a good choice since it will be a standalone device that must have internet conectivity, to be operated remotely.
My problem is that I'm a software guy, with no electronics skills and I will need assistance with all hardware related design side. Prior to create a kickstarter project.
If any reader thinks that have the expertise that I need, please contact with me. You could join to an exciting new project and I will reward you for your time and efforts.

well i don't think i have the expertise but i'd be glad to help if i somewhat can and certainly would love to observe the development of the project if not participate somewhat in it.
i can however tell you that arduino<raspberry pi<android in both capabilities and need for better hardware and with that in cost too

hirofairlane said:
Hi,
I would like to create a wireless device with some sensors and servos... pretty like a robot but with a clear and dedicated purpose. I assume that an android, arduino, or a raspberry pi driven device would be a good choice since it will be a standalone device that must have internet conectivity, to be operated remotely.
My problem is that I'm a software guy, with no electronics skills and I will need assistance with all hardware related design side. Prior to create a kickstarter project.
If any reader thinks that have the expertise that I need, please contact with me. You could join to an exciting new project and I will reward you for your time and efforts.
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I may be able to help out (have some experience with some electronics circuity) to the same degree as notrium

I am an Electrical and Electronic Engineer, with extensive electronic design know how, however my time is limited though I'll help if I can, moreso if I have more info on the project.
Ownership, rights, usage/purpose, timescales, budget.
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hirofairlane said:
Hi,
I would like to create a wireless device with some sensors and servos... pretty like a robot but with a clear and dedicated purpose. I assume that an android, arduino, or a raspberry pi driven device would be a good choice since it will be a standalone device that must have internet conectivity, to be operated remotely.
My problem is that I'm a software guy, with no electronics skills and I will need assistance with all hardware related design side. Prior to create a kickstarter project.
If any reader thinks that have the expertise that I need, please contact with me. You could join to an exciting new project and I will reward you for your time and efforts.
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I'm down to help as well. Android isn't a device though. I prefer MSP430 vs Arduino and beaglebone black vs raspberry pi. It depends what you want to do.

Gator809 said:
I'm down to help as well. Android isn't a device though. I prefer MSP430 vs Arduino and beaglebone black vs raspberry pi. It depends what you want to do.
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that sums it up prety well all depends on what you wanna do,
i've got arduino (and a few other micros) and android experience
be prety keen to do sumthing
Pvy

i dont mind a blast im not as clued up as some on here with android phones and such but was a senior bench tech with bskyb so know my way around motherboards and diagrams.

[Q] Wifikill(arp spoofing) for windows ?

Hi everyone ,i`ve been searching like crazy for an app like wifikill but for windows ,anyone knows anything about this ?
Even paid software .....Thx alot.

ARP spoofing is relatively basic code; you could probably take the socket code from any open-source project that uses it and, with pretty minimal effort, port it to WinSock. This is supposed to be a developer forum, after all.

GoodDayToDie said:
ARP spoofing is relatively basic code; you could probably take the socket code from any open-source project that uses it and, with pretty minimal effort, port it to WinSock. This is supposed to be a developer forum, after all.
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I was thinking about something with a gui . ?

So, use VS and whip up a quick GUI around it... I mean, I see no point to doing that (CLI is just fine) but if you want to, it's not like Visual Studio is hard to use.

cosminmocan said:
I was thinking about something with a gui . ?
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don't know if it's way too late, but i found netcut recently, see if it suits you.

adcpeda said:
don't know if it's way too late, but i found netcut recently, see if it suits you.
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Any download link ? I only find malwares