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Google’s Nexus One, the company’s first own-brand mobile phone, will launch in the UK in April. It will be on sale through Google.com/phone only, as the company has previously announced. Tariffs have not been announced, but the Nexus One is likely to be priced very similarly to comparable smartphones such as the iPhone.
Built by HTC, the Nexus One is Google’s attempt to assert the superiority of its mobile operating system Android, in the face of market dominance from Apple’s iPhone and Microsoft’s reinvigorated mobile software, Windows Phone.
Although the search giant’s first official UK partner, Vodafone, had been keen for a launch in March, sources close to both companies have confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that April is when the company will have a realistic chance of being ready for the launch.
The Nexus One is unusual because it is available online only direct from Google, and so relies heavily on word of moth marketing. Although sales had initially been reported as slow in comparison to the iPhone, the Nexus One has not benefited from the significant promotion that Apple has bought for its flagship product.
Google issued an update to the phone, shortly after its American launch in January, which added the multitouch web browsing that has been so successful on Apple’s iPhone.
Both Google and Vodafone would only say that they were committed to delivering the phone to the UK “in the spring”.
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The Nexus One is unusual because it is available online only direct from Google, and so relies heavily on word of moth marketing.
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No wonder sales have been lower than expected. Never rely on an insect to pass on information!
The Nexus ONe rides again - It's still a Star Here's the article
A flop with consumers, sold-out Nexus One scores with developers.
Google tried — and ultimately failed — to turn the U.S. wireless market upside-down by selling its supercharged Nexus One Android phone online, with minimal help from the big carriers. But now, months after shuttering its online storefront for the phone, the Nexus One is a sudden, improbable hit.
Who’s buying the Nexus One, you ask? Android developers, that’s who — and apparently, they’re so eager to get their mitts on the eight-month-old handset that Google supply of Nexus One phones for developers is completely sold out.
So says a post on Google’s Android developers blog (via TechCrunch), with Google’s Tim Bray writing that Google "blew through the (substantial) initial inventory in almost no time," adding that Nexus One manufacturer HTC is busy trying to crank out more of the suddenly gotta-have handsets.
Google launched the Nexus One — described in hushed tones as the "Google Phone" in the days and weeks before its official unveiling — way back in January, and the search behemoth caused quite a stir by offering the Android 2.1-powered handset only on the Web, through Google’s own Nexus One online storefront.
Why all the fuss? Because usually it’s the big carriers (think AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon Wireless) who do the heavy lifting in terms of marketing and selling cell phones, both online and (mainly) in brick-and-mortar stores. While it got a little help from T-Mobile, which subsidized the Nexus One for use on its network, Google’s decision to go it virtually alone with the Nexus One — with practically no marketing help from a carrier—was seen as a potentially game-changing move.
Unfortunately, it turned out to be anything but. Sales of the Nexus One never took off, and an unprepared Google — which, before the Nexus One launch, had little need for a bank of customer-service reps — found itself quickly overwhelmed by customers complaining about iffy 3G reception (which ultimately led to a patch) and other assorted glitches.
Consumers were also underwhelmed by the less-than-revolutionary $179 two-year contract price and $529 price tag for an unlocked Nexus One, while existing T-Mobile users were turned off by the $379 upgrade price for the phone (which was eventually cut by $100). Last May, Google finally waved the white flag, announcing that it would close down its online Nexus One store.
So yes, Google learned the hard way that nothing beats a "full-court press by a big national carrier" (as I wrote back in May) when it comes to selling a smartphone. But here’s the thing: The well-reviewed Nexus One itself wasn’t a bad phone — indeed, it was (and still is) a pretty good one, complete with a 3.7-inch AMOLED screen, a 1GHz "Snapdragon" processor, 512MB of RAM, and a 5-megapixel camera with a flash.
The Nexus One also happened to be among the first handsets to get an update to Android 2.2 — a fact that clearly wasn’t lost on enthusiastic Android developers, who’ve been able to buy the unlocked Nexus One — in droves, apparently — direct from Google for a few weeks now.
In any case, Google is now in the strange but surely satisfying position of "working hard on re-stocking" (as Google’s TIm Bray puts it) a smartphone that looked all but dead just a few months ago. Strange, but true.
Google’s Android developers blog: A Little Too Popular (via TechCrunch)
— Ben Patterson is a technology writer for Yahoo! News.
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guess that means that the nexus was more popular then Google thought
Sounds like the making of a Nexus 2 could become possible. Anybody else agree?
"The Nexus One also happened to be among the first handsets to get an update to Android 2.2" - REALLY? It was THE first phone. And it wasn't a "pretty good" phone, it was the best on the market for several months after launch. I think this guy has some facts he needs to get straightened out.
I really think the nexus sold more units over time then people think, and is in demand more than people think. This kinda shows that. Google jumped the gun by closing their online store. Also they mis calculated by not making the nexus into a whole line of Google phones.
The Nexus would have taken off at the time, but Google saw fit to market their well known search engine at superbowls and such instead of a phone that no one heard of.
As much as Google may have fumbled the marketing of the Nexus One when it was sold publicly - all that aside...
The article makes a lot of noise without revealing any numbers which are key to really verifying the conclusion that the phone is becoming more popular as a developer phone.
Yes, Google sold out the developer allotment - that's great. But, they also sold out a few allotments of their public phone back in the day - most notably the last allotment they ordered in July which sold out a week or two earlier than expected. That fact alone doesn't mean anything without knowing how big the allotments were. For all the article states, the allotment for the developers could have been very tiny under the theory that a smaller audience produces less sales and most developers would probably have already ordered one when they were sold publicly anyway.
All we know is that someone was pleasantly surprised by the demand for it from the developer store and that the initial allotment - chosen specifically for that sales purpose - was underestimated.
But, we don't know if that represents higher overall demand (or even relative demand) compared to the public allotments. And we don't know if either demand represented enough market force for the company to have continued to pursue its business plan of being in the open market for handsets.
It also rankles me when they make supporting comments like "now, months after shuttering its online storefront". Sorry, it was less than 1 month since they shut down the storefront when they sold out the developer phones. And don't ignore that allotments were selling out during the consumer sales when you try to make it sound like the developer sell-out was unprecedented. The fact that it was almost 1 month after the shut down the store (not months like the author states) was *due* to a consumer sellout. Otherwise it would have only been a couple of weeks since the store front was scheduled to shut down.
I think the point is that with all these high end android phones out now, the fact that ANYONE is choosing the nexus still tells the story. Specific numbers don't really matter. This is especially true since all these other phones are subsidized on contract, and the nexus is full price, and still selling at all 7 months later.
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I think the point is that with all these high end android phones out now, the fact that ANYONE is choosing the nexus still tells the story. Specific numbers don't really matter. This is especially true since all these other phones are subsidized on contract, and the nexus is full price, and still selling at all 7 months later.
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Hi Roger,
That is a good point, but it isn't the tone of the article. "A flop with consumers" - "the Nexus One is [now] a sudden, improbable hit" - "[developers buying] in droves, apparently".
A flop? Really?
Sudden hit? Really that sudden?
Improbable hit? Really?
It may have had marketing problems, but it was never a flop. The new MS phones being canceled a week after they were released - that's a flop for you. And there is nothing sudden about a sellout a couple of weeks after another sellout. Nor is there anything improbably about that, or anything that spells "hit". And how big is a "drove". Apparently it is so specific that they suddenly realize the complete lack of facts in their piece and have to tack on the word "apparently". So, the phone is now selling to developers in a manner that one can only suppose is describable by a term that is as vague as "droves". Cute.
I'm glad that it is still selling and I'm glad that it sold out its developer allotment, but this article is exaggerating the impact of those facts with hyperbole based on both lack of knowledge (believing that the phone has been off sale for "months", etc.) and assumption of facts not presented.
It would be one thing if they had said what you said "The developer allotment sold out which shows that there is still positive demand for a device that is this old, but without numbers we can't tell if the demand is actually stronger in its developer form than it was as a consumer offering". But no, they basically paint its consumer history as if they couldn't be given away and then, without any numbers, paint the developer demand as being so much stronger than anything anyone could have expected that Google was stupid to have canceled it.
Sorry, no, the sell-out indicates that someone, somewhere, was wrong about a prediction that was specific to developer sales and has no bearing whatsoever about how the demand now compares to the demand as a consumer phone or to any other currently shipping phones.
As far as longevity - the G1 was still being sold as recently as about a month ago. Technology alone doesn't really dictate sales, but it is an important driver.
Now that Google knows there is an appetite for a "super dev phone", might they also reconsider their decision to permanently shelve the UMTS 850/1900 version?
I hate articles like this. The facts are wrong which makes the whole article irrelevant. I think the problem with the Nexus One is that only the geeks here really heard about it. There was no advertising done what-so-ever.
Although I am surprised to see more and more people recognize it as "Is that the Google phone?".
I'm glad I bought mine when I did because they shut down the store. Now I love it even more knowing that every joe-smoe can't go out and pick one up. I like knowing that I have one of the best Android phones and "you" can't buy one anymore.
I think we'll see a huge demand for the N1 when Gingerbread comes out. I think it will take a lot of time and a lot more tweaking to get 3.0 on a 2.x device then it was 2.2 on top of 2.1. I'm just happy that Google is developing it specifically for my phone and I don't have to worry about having a buggy port.
Xoom sales numbers are tagged at 100k units. This numbers was generated by a Deutsche Bank analyst in early April. The number was reached by looking at the platform distribution number posted at the Android Developer website. According to Android Developer platform breakdown, March 15 - March 31 saw 0.2% of all devices accessing the Android Market app using honeycomb. Deutsche Bank guessed at 50 million android devices in the wild, and 0.2% of that number = 100k.
So let's check the veracity of this analysis.
Point 1: does anyone know how many android devices are actually being used on a daily basis? I've searched for but cannot find any concrete figure. Is 50 million correct? Who knows...it could be 75 million or it could be 25 mllion.
Point 2: wi-fi xoom went on sale March 27, and it sold better than the 3g. The UK, European, and Canadian 3g and wi-fi units were released in late march-early april timeframe. The data Deutsche Bank used to reach 100k did not include the lions share of the US wi-fi xoom sales, nor did it include the majority of non-US sales.
Point 3: sales numbers are a hot, important topic now because many investment analysts are motivated by MMI Q1 reporting, due on April 28. Don't think for a second that a bank analyst can be trusted. If Deutsche Bank wants to take a large position in MMI, it is silly to report solid sales and positively affect MMI's stock price. The "prudent" but unethical thing to do is create a reason for the stock price to drop, and then take a large position at the bottom value directly before earnings are reported.
Happens all the time. And don't think for a second that companies don't use sites like xda to spread FUD. Any user here should be considered "suspect" unless the user is a proven, bona-fide account and not a shill for an entity looking to profit from guerilla tactics.
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I'm not buying into the guesstimates provided by financial/investment firms. Especially if you don't know the firms motives, perhaps they trade Apple stock all day long..
It's all speculation until (if) Motorola releases hard numbers and the fact is, as competition comes out the price will likely be confirmed or drop slightly. Either way, buyers holding out for something will jump in and the tablet market will move.
250,000 units sold. Told ya!
I dunno about sales figures, but the first weekend it was out in Canada, I went to 4 best buys and 2 future shops in town to pick up a portfolio case.
in all 6 stores, the xoom section was BARREN. Nothing left. No xoom, no chargers, no cases, no screen protectors. In 3 cases I asked and the guy said they even sold the demos.....
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250,000 units sold. Told ya!
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250K shipped, not sold.
who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
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who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
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Word
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almostinsane said:
250K shipped, not sold.
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Yes sold. Motorola is not a consigment manufacturer. Which means when they ship, its because they sold the units.
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Unless you are a shareholder it doesn't really matter. The xoom is a great piece of hardware regardless of its lifetime sales totals
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who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
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Now if only they will provide us with the update so the SD card slot will work!. I hear the needed updates wont be ours untill late summer.
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Somebody paid for the 250k that are sitting on store shelves/warehouses.
The supply chain pays for the goods, after they are shipped Moto could careless where they actually reside.
so to get the actual figures of how many are in consumer hands they'd have to poll every retail chain?
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so to get the actual figures of how many are in consumer hands they'd have to poll every retail chain?
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Doubt it.
The device surely has a "phone home" or "check in" of some kind and Moto can tell how many have been turned on and connected. Likely the same way that the device checks for updates. Also, Google probably has a pretty good idea of how many there are out there, the device is linked to your account, so I assume that they also track a device ID/type.
Given it is possible there are a small handful of the devices out there that don't have a market account on them, or have never been put on line (VERY small handful), but the number is probably so small it wouldn't skew the numbers.
The reason why sales numbers are important to me - I am a shareholder and I have clients that are shareholders because of my recommendation to buy mmi.
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The reason why sales numbers are important to me - I am a shareholder and I have clients that are shareholders because of my recommendation to buy mmi.
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Wow, you recommend people buy MMI? How about RIMM too?
Yeah. They are clearly pissed at the 8% gain the stock made today. The only rimm recommendation I make is to buy puts. Or wait till it is in the low teens and buy it before it is acquired for its patent portfolio.
I also recommended armh and nvda last summer.
Yeah I have a lot of angry clients.
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Well ARMH is a great long hold. So is QCOM.
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Yes sold. Motorola is not a consigment manufacturer. Which means when they ship, its because they sold the units.
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In relation to this thread and its reasoning shipped figures are not relevant
After reading all the bad news yesterday about HTC (people leaving the company, articles about a "future without HTC", etc): I opened my dutch news app this morning when drinking my coffee and saw this:
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3481460/htc-one-vijf-miljoen-keer-verkocht.html
I expected to see an article about the Galaxy S4 being sold 10m times in the first month, but this nice dutch website preffered to focus on what HTC has done. Apparently, HTC has sold 5 million One's in "one month". So it has done 50% of what Samsung has done in the last month. And I guess that doesn't include what HTC has sold in March/April.
The weird thing is, I always read my twitter feed first. I have not seen a single report about this anywhere on Twitter. On the other side, NU.nl is a big and serious website here in the Netherlands.
What do you guys think? I am very happy to see this and it's far above my expectations. If this is true, HTC is not dying anytime soon!
Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
I'm happy for them and hope they'll get through the rough time they are atm so they can continue making amazing phones!
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Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
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its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
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its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
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High demand with nothing to sell is still not a sale though, unless they are also including unfulfilled orders by their carrier partners and local stores~~ The phone has been launched in my country a whole month ago, and not a single store has more than 1 unit for sale at a time, with some stores getting 5 units per 3 days (that's on the high end) >.>
Making my 1-to-1 change for a faulty NFC chip all the more painful, as I'll have to wait 1-2 weeks for HTC to bring in stock ):
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you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
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I didn't miss it, though I forgot to mention it in the first post. I'm not sure about the 10m from Samsung either, are those sold or orders done by shops/carriers?
Either way, I was expecting this exact message but with a 1 instead of the 5 million. Even if it's just orders done by carriers/shops, it's far above my expectations!
And it's good HTC are doubling their production, it's indeed awfull they often have 1-2 units per store also in the Netherlands.
I think samsung is aiming the same, 10 million orders but not all of them sold; they're still in storage of retailers / carriers.
Also when i went for accessory shopping, I was told everytime that they didn't have any since they got such few phones (1 - 5 maybe a day). saying it was not worth it yet buying accessories for such a scarce phone. it affects a whole deal.
5 million since launch, not just the last month:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/23/4358378/htc-one-5-million-smartphone-sales
Very respectable number to be honest, sure Samsung has double that in less time but people wanted another S3 and well, thats basically what they got.
Learned people got the One and now word of how good it is, is spreading.
But HTC, why did you release the HTC First? /sigh
5 million Seems like a stretch actually... Supply is still a serious issue..... The unlocked versions in US have been in backorder status for the entire month.... HTC ONE launch has been delayed by over 1 month in most Asia countries....
If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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amazing to see htc do so well after all the production delays!
i think this is the first time im hearing them declare how much they sold.
go htc go!!! brilliant stuff
When executives start BS'ing you know your company has issues.
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If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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i think if supplies are enough,it will surpass S4 sales.here in riyadh,One were sold out in two days in all carriers/online stores here..and we are not so lucky to get one..they told us stocks will be avail in 2 to 7 days ..just sayin
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And how do you know they're BS'ing? Do you have your own sources within HTC, or are you just pulling stuff from the place where the sun don't shine?
For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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HTC One is selling good in Turkey aswell. I saw many people who doesn't even know HTC but after seeing review unit they are amazed by quality.
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For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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Exactly. HTC sells to the carriers so those are their sales numbers. They have already made their money.The carriers and other suppliers sell to us, and their numbers reflect that.
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Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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You are completely right. I would add thought that more of those 5 million units are in consumers hands then the 10 million from Samsung. HTC is pushing this phone out fast. Last one I got was made 6 days before it came into my hands. I would imagine there is a decent stockpile of S4 in some places where I do not think that is true of the ONE.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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So then where are these units. What warehouse are they hiding in? Why did some guy pay $800 on ebay for my ONE? No one has stock of the HTC ONE. There is no surplus anywhere that I have heard. I have only heard their are not enough to go around.
I came upon this article about samsung's profit estimates for Q3 and one part caught my eye (it would be fantastic if it was true)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...beats-estimates-on-cheaper-galaxy-smartphones
Galaxy Gear
Samsung may have sold 3 million of its Note 3 devices since the Sept. 25 release. The device, with a 5.7-inch screen, is a combination phone and tablet computer that touts improved software and performance compared with the previous model.
“The mobile rivalry will only intensify in the fourth quarter from the third, when Samsung had no strong competitor to fight against,” Byun said. “Depending on how well the Note 3 device will sell, that would determine not only its smartphone but its chip earnings in the fourth quarter as well.”
On the same day, the South Korean company also started selling the Galaxy Gear, a wristwatch device that can make phone calls, check e-mails and take photos. The smartwatch, priced at $299, competes with a similar device from Sony Corp. as electronics makers race to carve a share of the market for wearable technology.
That is not bad considering its a different target market and they didn't launch in as many countries on the 25th as say another company.
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That is not bad considering its a different target market and they didn't launch in as many countries on the 25th as say another company.
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Just launched yesterday (3rd October) in Western Australia.
Don't forgot that "Sold" means Samsung sold that many to retail outlets, not to end users.
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Don't forgot that "Sold" means Samsung sold that many to retail outlets, not to end users.
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Just like Apple sells to carriers
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Just like Apple sells to carriers
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Ya, but I can't find an iPhone to save my life, I bet I can go to any AT&T Store or Best Buy store and pick up a GNote3 tomorrow.