Why Is Netflix Refusing To Work on My TN7? - Nvidia Tegra Note 7

I am running Netflix version 3.9.1 build 4105 and Android 4.4.2.
When I open Netflix the program just sits and spins and spins then gives me a "Sorry we could not reach Netflix Service. Please try again later (-9)". Then I clear app data and after I do that and relaunch then I get the extremely common 15001 error (that is impossible to actually troubleshoot..).
I have read multiple people having issues with Netflix, but that was when they released a patch that broke it and I am pretty sure that isn't a common problem anymore. I have one of the apps that show network activity and all I get is random hits of like 20-30 KB/s max while trying to launch Netflix. I have tried this on two completely different networks, so I don't think it has anything to do with my network.
My device is rooted with TWRP installed, but I don't see how this could have any affect on Netflix (it never did on my old rooted Nexus 7 running Cyanogen Mod).
Is there something I can try that maybe I haven't heard yet? I even tried clearing the Google Services Framework cache/data (as this helped people in the past) and that changed nothing above. Not being able to use Netflix is a huge problem for me and I am hoping someone has run into this on our devices. I imagine Netflix is one of the most common Apps used.
Thanks for any help or ideas anyone can provide. If I need to I'll restore the tablet with Fastboot, but there is no guarantee that will work and an obvious pain if it doesn't.
Edit: Read the latest comments on Netflix and it seems there are still plenty of people having problems just like mine. I guess I may be waiting for a new version to release??

NCSUZoSo said:
I am running Netflix version 3.9.1 build 4105 and Android 4.4.2.
When I open Netflix the program just sits and spins and spins then gives me a "Sorry we could not reach Netflix Service. Please try again later (-9)". Then I clear app data and after I do that and relaunch then I get the extremely common 15001 error (that is impossible to actually troubleshoot..).
I have read multiple people having issues with Netflix, but that was when they released a patch that broke it and I am pretty sure that isn't a common problem anymore. I have one of the apps that show network activity and all I get is random hits of like 20-30 KB/s max while trying to launch Netflix. I have tried this on two completely different networks, so I don't think it has anything to do with my network.
My device is rooted with TWRP installed, but I don't see how this could have any affect on Netflix (it never did on my old rooted Nexus 7 running Cyanogen Mod).
Is there something I can try that maybe I haven't heard yet? I even tried clearing the Google Services Framework cache/data (as this helped people in the past) and that changed nothing above. Not being able to use Netflix is a huge problem for me and I am hoping someone has run into this on our devices. I imagine Netflix is one of the most common Apps used.
Thanks for any help or ideas anyone can provide. If I need to I'll restore the tablet with Fastboot, but there is no guarantee that will work and an obvious pain if it doesn't.
Edit: Read the latest comments on Netflix and it seems there are still plenty of people having problems just like mine. I guess I may be waiting for a new version to release??
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I have the exact same problem! No matter what it's the same error, restoring the tablet doesn't work either.

Screw Netflix, use TV portal! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzI_9bXSPgLUX0kwVV8wd3lsTGM/view
When you grab a movie with TV portal, then use Tubemate to download mp4 quality movies of your choice. (touch the green arrow above to get the download interface)
http://www.androidfreeware.net/download-youtube-tubemate.html

I don't think anyone has problems these days ripping off movies, however streaming thousands of movies and TV shows is more convenient by a mile (especially on a tablet).

That is indeed one reason Google & apple push to get rid of the power of personal storage and force the cloud.
When Netflix won't work when you finally settle for a movie, it's nice to have options.
The measly amount Netflix charges is worth it, they have a good service....
But as you know, traveling you are forced to use sporadic data on the road that cost. Until they fix that, I want my storage.

Thank you for starting this thread driving me nuts today! Thought I was alone. It's my son's tablet and Netflix is one of his major uses for it. Tried so many fixes and none are working. Guess we'll keep an eye out for an update.
Also, anyone have trouble with Netflix in general? I had to install an xposed mod just to get it to run!?!
Edit: I tried a much older version of Netflix and it's working perfectly: http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/netflix-inc/netflix/netflix-3-2-0-build-1340-apk/
I then updated the app again and it refused to load at all. Rolled back and turned off auto updates.

How do you turn off auto updates for a single program? I know how to turn it off completely, but is there a way to do it just for Netflix? It's not like we can deny it network connection..
Also does anyone know the last Netflix version that did work? I think it was around December 2014.
I can also confirm that Netflix 3.2.0 build 1340 does work.

NCSUZoSo said:
How do you turn off auto updates for a single program? I know how to turn it off completely, but is there a way to do it just for Netflix? It's not like we can deny it network connection..
Also does anyone know the last Netflix version that did work? I think it was around December 2014.
I can also confirm that Netflix 3.2.0 build 1340 does work.
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Go to Netflix in the play store then hit the three buttons in the top right and the option to disable auto updates should be there.
Never got around to testing other builds as that on works fine for my kid.

I believe the reason behind new versions beyond 3.7.1 not working is because of below;
"As of version 3.7.2, Netflix has begun using Forced Google DNS lookup for their Android app. This means that the Netflix app bypasses any DNS servers you setup on the Android device or on the router and uses Google DNS instead.
Traditionally we were able to block Google DNS lookups on the router and force Netflix to use alternative DNS. However, the Android app seems to not work at all if Google DNS is blocked."
In any case I can confirm that version 3.7.1 build 1711 does work as it should.
Also as recommended earlier you have to stop the app prom auto updating.
Hope that helps.

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[Q] stream hulu to xoom options (looking for free)

Trying to get hulu and other video content on my xoom while I"m in the kitchen. (Velcroing it on the cabinet gave me a computer/media center where I never had one before). I've gone over the following options:
* So I couldn't get the hacked flash version to play hulu and even if I did I was hoping for something a way to get more content.
* Playon costs $5/month, don't want to pay that much
* I tried remote desktop to my computer, too choppy.
* I know that vlc is fantastic at streaming (I could create a desktop stream for hulu if need be). Is there any app out there that can catch vlc streams?
* Are there any other options out there?
Thanks!
For free? None that are legal. Some people choose the Bit Torrent way of doing things. Personally I can't wait until Netflix and Hulu are native apps. Plus I hear that Xfinity will have an app soon. I think the biggest mistake that Motorola made in releasing the Xoom was in not making sure that both of those apps were ready at release.
It looks like this might work:
just stream the screen to the device and run hulu (or whatever) in full screen. The only big question: framerate.
Hulu is working perfectly for me with the hacked flash and Dolphin mini browser
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Thanks I'll have to try it.
As for VLC. I managed to get it to stream, but it doesn't work so great with desktop capture. Streaming videos isn't that bad though. I'm using the Vplayer app FYI.
So Hulu doesn't work for me because I'm stock, and they say it only works for rooted phones:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060374&highlight=HULU
I wasn't going to root because I was going to wait for the 4g upgrade to make sure everything runs smoothly. So everyone who is rooting I assume you will just unroot before you send it in (or you trust when they say that rooted devices are acceptable for the upgrade)?
Feel free to root, motorola already said on their official forums they will upgrade any xoom root or not. Even if they are unable to get it to work due to a software error, they will still put the hardware in and send it back.
ourtesy of Motorola Support Forums :
42. Mar 4, 2011 6:27 PM (in response to camblue)
Rooting the Xoom – will this make it ineligible for 4G upgrade?
Hey hey! Check it out.
All Motorola XOOM tablets on the Verizon Wireless network are eligible to receive an upgrade to support 4G LTE. This includes those that have been unlocked; however, those units must be submitted for upgrade with the original factory software reinstalled and the device relocked in order to receive the upgrade.
For devices that are returned unlocked, Motorola will attempt to complete the upgrade, but may be unable to update the software. In these cases, the device will be returned to the consumer with just the 4G LTE modem installed.
More details on the process will be available closer to the upgrade availability.
You could try splashtop. It is an rdp but it plays video Inc audio smoothly. It costs $5 but only a one time costs. You can try the lite version first which connects you for 5 minutes to make sure it works for you.
almost
Thanks for the suggestion takos. It worrked well but it has a serious flaw.
If I want to stream hulu to my kitchen for my girlfriend but at the same time work on my computer this is a big problem. The solution is to connect to the workstation via remote desktop (127.0.0.2 should work) and you might need to run this hack:
http://www.missingremote.com/guide/how-enable-concurrent-sessions-windows-7-service-pack-1-rtm
Such a solution allows you to stream hulu to your kitchen and sill let someone work on the workstation on a second session.
The problem is splashtop always defaults to streaming the console desktop. This makes it useless for the solution that I (and many others) would look for.
I submitted a bug, but my bet is they wont redo their code for something so not used as often (even though every probably should if they knew about it) and because this whole thing might seem a bit iffy in their eyes as it involves mostly people running a hack on their computers. We'll see.

New AT&T Atrix 4G User - What do I need?

I want to be able to sideload apps.
I want to be able to "tether" without the tether data plan, so I can occasionally use the Laptop Dock without spending $20/month.
I want to be able to load my apps from Google, which I think means using a different "ROM" and loosing MotoBlur, but tell me if I wrong.
I'm a long time smartphone user who's used a few different ROM changing apps. Willing to put in the time after the "rooting" I did yesterday didn't seem to do everything I hoped. Got pretty frustrated when I could only webtop in the laptop dock.
1. att should be releasing the ability to side load apps soon. they are allowing it on the samsung infuse. until then:
go to android central and search for sideload wonder machine. thing works flawlessly.
2. Im new to the tethering part here but from what i understand there are two types. sorry
3. currently there are no ROMS yet, there are pseudo ROMs available: greyblur, gingerblur. im using greyblur and the guy did some awesome work on it. both allow sideloading all day, as well as hdmi mirroring and webtopdock hack.
good luck
You can still use Google apps and Google Market surely? Otherwise it wouldn't be a proper android phone!
I can use the Market, but obviously if you normally install 30+ apps, it's awesome when you boot up a phone, sign in with your Google account, and all your backed up apps and data just show up on the new device. I did this with my Motorola Milestone and Xoom every time I'd update the OS, etc... and it works FLAWLESSLY, not to mention saves a LOT of time trying to remember all the apps you loaded.
The Webtop hack worries me, simply because I wonder if that isn't what is preventing my Laptop Dock from seeing my phone. I used Gladroot updating my phone to 1.57, and root works fine. But when I put the phone in the laptop dock, it wants to do Multimedia or nothing... and the dock doesn't "just work" like it did at the store. And I didn't think Gladroot did anything with the HDMI connect, so I wasn't expecting any issues because of it.
I think for this morning, I WILL just wipe it, removing root, etc. Update to the latest firmware again, and setup with the default options for now. Then I can at least see if the Laptop Dock works at all, using that different APN to try tethering without the $45/month plan, and I guess I'll go from there.
Once I have the Amazon Store loaded with that sideload program, I won't need that feature very often anyway.

Market stuck "Downloading"

Hi, I just got a brand new Xperia Play and am loving it so far, aside from one infuriating issue.
When I'm on WIFI I simply cannot download anything from the market, I've been messing with this for the past 2 hours, things I've tried:
Clearing app cache of several apps related to downloading
Toggling WIFI / 3G
Restarting phone
Updating to latest firmware
Reset to factory settings
Play with router wireless settings
Reinstall router firmware
The only thing that did something is clearing the cache of the download manager, after I did that I was able to install one thing from the market. But it only worked once, it's not working anymore.
I'm also unable to play youtube video's when using wifi.
Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening? My phone is brand new, so it can't be something I did with it.
Also, up till today I had an HTC Magic, which did not have the problem on the same wireless network. It did have occasional "download starting" hiccups, but nothing like this.
Any advice?
Thanks!
Edit: Solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17359553&postcount=4
Edit2: False alarm, still not working.. seems to come and go
You have the weirdest problem.. Did you check your router to see if it's generating enough ip addresses for all your wireless devices?
What is the distance between you and your router and what kind of router is it? I believe the play has a weaker wifi radio, so it might be dcing too often to stream and download.. Try standing closer to the router to see if there is a difference first.
Sent from my XPlay using XDA App.
I'm right next to the router and the web interface shows a full signal, so it can't be that. I can also see in the web interface that an ip address was assigned.
I've tried setting the phone as the DMZ and disabling the router firewall. No luck with that either.
I also tried upgrading my router firmware from Tomato to DD-WRT and doing a factory reset, but again .. no luck.
I'm running out of ideas, it seems the problem originates from Android and not my router, but I can't think of anything else I could try. Could it be an issue with the Android network in my location?
Omfg.. 3/4 hours later I finally got it, and this one wasn't suggested anywhere else so hopefully this will help some others in the future.
I had to go into wireless settings on my phone, click menu, go to advanced and then manually configure the network connection. Make sure your router has reserved an ip for you and use that one, otherwise you might end up trying to use one that is already in use.
After that it all seems to be working for me (so far). Fingers crossed that it won't stop working again.
Yea you couldn't find the answer anywhere else because it seemed like it was an isolated incident. Gratz for figuring it out though.
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Next day, working fine in the morning. Couple hours later and it's back to getting stuck on "Downloading". Tried toggling static ip with no luck.
God this is incredibly annoying. I'm guessing it'll magically start working again at some point, and then stop working again later.
From what I've found through google this bug has been around since the very first version and not a single solution has been offered by google. Seriously this is ridiculous
Hi,
I'm having exactly the same issues.... Normal browsing, etc works fine on WIFI but market just wont work on WIFI.
I dont even see the device hitting my router when I try to download thru the market. Other network connections are seen by my router.
I wonder if it might be linked to the the fact that I'm running a UK rom on my device. When I'm using my data connection off Rogers, it actually does a RMNET to the British government... So we are seen as downloading from the UK.. Just an idea...
It's annoying as hell....
I was going to say download speedtest.net app when you can and see what it yields... but I see you've got it figured out. Nice!
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lafoma said:
Hi,
I'm having exactly the same issues.... Normal browsing, etc works fine on WIFI but market just wont work on WIFI.
I dont even see the device hitting my router when I try to download thru the market. Other network connections are seen by my router.
I wonder if it might be linked to the the fact that I'm running a UK rom on my device. When I'm using my data connection off Rogers, it actually does a RMNET to the British government... So we are seen as downloading from the UK.. Just an idea...
It's annoying as hell....
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Interesting, so you're saying that google somehow classifies us as UK users, which causes problems when switching to WIFI, which is not classified as a UK connection?
It would make sense, seeing as it seems to start working again after a while.. which could mean that whatever info google is caching on us is expired and it finally adopts the WIFI connection info.
Still, I have doubts about that.. I mean wouldn't a LOT more Rogers users be complaining about this?
The only persons that would be complaining are people like us running UK roms but our WIFI is coming from a canadian provider. In my case Videotron.
So when i<m using 3g data, i'm seen as coming from the UK because of the RMNET connection and when using WIFI i'm seen as Canadian... with a uk rom.
I've read that the market DOES have regions... might not be 100% correct on that but it might be part of my issue.
Mine BTW, never works anymore even after clearing cache, FC the market, etc...
lol i got the opposite problem i have trouble downloading stuff from the market using 3g but works perfect using wifi
not really an issue since im not an app whore
Its not a issue on play all phones has that. Simply log in to your Talk app then try again. (launch Gtalk app and login)
Thanks, but i had already tried that.
Reinstalled the UK rom yesterday, and even after a clean install market still doesnt work on WIFI even tho my WIFI works for browsing, accessing my computer thru RDP, etc.
yohandesilva1 said:
Its not a issue on play all phones has that. Simply log in to your Talk app then try again. (launch Gtalk app and login)
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This only works for some people.
My market has been working for a day now (I didn't do anything to fix it), I'm expecting it to stop working any moment. Fingers crossed.
Edit: Aaand there we go.. stopped working again. Sigh.
Got the same issue both on my Nexus S (Videotron) and (which is strange), on My Motorola Xoom Tablet which only has wifi, no 3g !!
Edit: If I connect my tablet thru my cell phone (wifi tethering) I have no problem with market
ok so me and mobidoy are both on Videotron...
Naatan I see you are in quebec... Videotron also?
Starting to believe it migh be an issue with them
hey
im in videotron too and since 4 days i cant watch youtube on youtube app and my download on market stay stuck in green bar!! i have a toshiba thrive android 3.1!!!!!
when i connect with a 3g router or on the wi fi in my city everything work again
so it clear that videotron is the problem!!!!
Had the same problems
First time hard reset fixed it.
Second time by magic, sorry. I was about to send the phone to repairs
I used the XDA App to post this, what did you use?
I've been having the exact same problem as you and can't seem to find a way to solve this. I just purchased a Galaxy Tab 10.1, WIFI only, and at home nothing will download from the Android market. It just gets stuck. Youtube videos also dont work via the app.I tried it out at a friends and everything worked flawlessly.
At home, I also have Videotron internet. I just called them, and tried to explain to their customer service but obviously they were quick to blame it on anything else they could. They said they did not block any ports either.
I read a thread about some vodafone users in the UK having a similar problem than us:
Edit: It wont let me post an external link because I'm a new user, but the post is on androidforums.com and is titled "ANDROID MARKET download/update problem via WiFi"
It seems their problem was fixed after calling Vodafone.
I'm also inclined to point fingers at Videotron since its odd we are all customers of theirs.
Just called Videotron technical support, they have an open ticket about it since yesterday morning and are actualy working on the issue !! There is hope !!

4.4 (KRT16S) WiFi problems

Hi,
I'm having WiFi problems, let me explain the situation:
A few days ago I got the 4.4 (KRT16S) OTA update, let it update, almost all was working fine, but as Android goes, some features were missing when you update (like the Storage Access Framework file picker, it just wasn't active and a few others).
So I factory reset the device (please note I have it completely stock, no root, no unlocked bootloader etc.), after it did it's dirty job I logged back into my Google account and it started to restore my previously installed apps. All fine so far.
After opening Google Play store there were all the images missing and a message telling me that I have no "network connection", which was funny because I could traverse the store, install apps, but just no images.
Next was the Google+ - again telling me I had no connection, the same Google Music, Hangouts and every other third party app that somehow uses (imho) the Google Authetication/Account were reporting errors. On the bright side, gMail/Authenticator/Gallery/Photos were ok... Rebooting the device did not help.
As it was quite late I said "screw it" and went to bed. What was my surprise the next day after logging into the compay WiFi that it works like it should, no errors whatsoever. So I thought "ok, it just needed some time" (whatever that would mean :silly.
After I came back home, logged into my WiFi and again - the same problems. I tried meddling with the encryption modes, even opening it completely, turning off QoS, lowest speed modes, changing channels (not that would help, but I'm desperate ) etc., but to no avail.
Please note that it worked on "before the factory reset" KitKat, 4.3 and 4.2 Jellybean, also Transformer Prime and HTC Wildfire S (bunch of different roms and versions since I have them) are using that WiFi with no problems.
Anybody having similar problem? Is there a fix for that?
Thanks for your time
EDIT: The WiFi connects and most of the apps work, it's just some of the Google apps that do not: Google+, YouTube, Play store/music, Hangouts and some others.
GappaX said:
Hi,
I'm having WiFi problems, let me explain the situation:
A few days ago I got the 4.4 (KRT16S) OTA update, let it update, almost all was working fine, but as Android goes, some features were missing when you update (like the Storage Access Framework file picker, it just wasn't active and a few others).
So I factory reset the device (please note I have it completely stock, no root, no unlocked bootloader etc.), after it did it's dirty job I logged back into my Google account and it started to restore my previously installed apps. All fine so far.
After opening Google Play store there were all the images missing and a message telling me that I have no "network connection", which was funny because I could traverse the store, install apps, but just no images.
Next was the Google+ - again telling me I had no connection, the same Google Music, Hangouts and every other third party app that somehow uses (imho) the Google Authetication/Account were reporting errors. On the bright side, gMail/Authenticator/Gallery/Photos were ok... Rebooting the device did not help.
As it was quite late I said "screw it" and went to bed. What was my surprise the next day after logging into the compay WiFi that it works like it should, no errors whatsoever. So I thought "ok, it just needed some time" (whatever that would mean :silly.
After I came back home, logged into my WiFi and again - the same problems. I tried meddling with the encryption modes, even opening it completely, turning off QoS, lowest speed modes, changing channels (not that would help, but I'm desperate ) etc., but to no avail.
Please note that it worked on "before the factory reset" KitKat, 4.3 and 4.2 Jellybean, also Transformer Prime and HTC Wildfire S (bunch of different roms and versions since I have them) are using that WiFi with no problems.
Anybody having similar problem? Is there a fix for that?
Thanks for your time
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how old is your router? Does it support 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz? In Wifi, select "Advanced" and select the frequency that your router support.
I have this one, not that old, but still only 2.4 GHz:
- D-Link DWL-2100AP
- http://www.dlink.com/-/media/Business_Products/DWL/DWL 2100AP/Manual/dwl2100ap_manual_EN_USA.pdf
Update: Well...somehow it fixed itself after a while (day), the only permanent change to my WiFi settings was changing the channel and SSID...no idea what's the reasoning behind this, but I'm glad it's working now
The problem is DNS related - once I set Google's DNS (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) for my home WiFi on the phone, all the problems were gone. Fixed the problem on my N4 KitKat and another user's N7 KitKat with completely different AP/router.
Weird - all the other devices have no problems with my router's DNS (different device than the AP). Hope that helps somebody who has the same problem

Shield + VPN

I sideloaded IPVanish on my Shield device and all was working well. However, I later had to do a hard reset. After setting everything up again, I now have a problem where although I connect to a vpn server I have no internet access. All is back to normall when I disconnect from the vpn server. Tried YouTube, Play Store, Kodi (which doesn't even load past the initial gray screen before showing the Kodi Krypton splash). None work!
When I connect to a server initially, my IP address stays the same until I change to a different menu, then it does reflect the new IP corresponding to the server. It does show that data is being uploaded and downloaded, but it's minimal kb.
I have tried multiple different versions of the APK but have found none of them work anymore. I have done and tried the exact methods I have seen online and on numerous YouTube videos, but clearly something is wrong with my settings that I can't seem to find.
Anyone have any ideas or previous experience? Thanks!
**Sidenote - I've also noticed that when I sideload any apps now through ES File Explorer the initial screen that loads up shows the app icon, the install/cancel buttons, but no details in the middle....
Does this Provider impose limits on how many installs you can have running? Perhaps you need to log into your Account, and see about removing such Ghost Devices that are eating into that limit..
It's a problem I have recently ran into with KeepSafe's VPN Unlimited. Alas they will only allow you to remove only the One Device per Week though.
Ichijoe said:
Does this Provider impose limits on how many installs you can have running? Perhaps you need to log into your Account, and see about removing such Ghost Devices that are eating into that limit..
It's a problem I have recently ran into with KeepSafe's VPN Unlimited. Alas they will only allow you to remove only the One Device per Week though.
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Thanks for the reply! That's a great idea and I thought something similar. I went to IPVanish website a few days ago when this first happened, but there's nothing about the devices I use. Good news is that while it's one of the highest rated providers there's no number to call and it's been 4 days without a response to my first inquiry to them. So frustrating! Maybe on their end it has something like that and they clear out every few days hopefully if this is the case.
minesbigr said:
Thanks for the reply! That's a great idea and I thought something similar. I went to IPVanish website a few days ago when this first happened, but there's nothing about the devices I use. Good news is that while it's one of the highest rated providers there's no number to call and it's been 4 days without a response to my first inquiry to them. So frustrating! Maybe on their end it has something like that and they clear out every few days hopefully if this is the case.
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***UPDATE***
Well, it's ridiculously quirky but I figured out how to get it to work! I have to pick a specific server, then leave the app, then go back to it and it finally changes IP address and gives me internet!
My only persistent problem now is Kodi, which loads properly with no VPN connected but gives me a gray screen otherwise. UGH!
Not sure what the problem is. But for the nSATV I would recommend KeepSafes' (VPN Unlimited), which is only 26€'s for a whole Year, or about 100€ (or so), for a lifetime. And unlike your solution... It hasn't really ever screwed with my Systems nearly as much as whatever your running has. Such issues, that I do have with it are with both Amazon, and Netflix, which don't overly care for an active VPN much.
I'm not here to drive up sales for KeepSafe. (Perhaps your Provider offers a better service. Which they should seeing as they cost over 3x as much! Over a year.), It's just the first Provider I came across in the PlayStore, and FWIW have been nothing but, happy with them.

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