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Hi all!
I apologise if already discussed, but can't find anything after searching within xda-app and google.
I am very happy with my SGS2 in general and consider it to be the best phone so far on the market (maybe apart from sgs2 hd), and therefore expect it's performance to be superior to most phones/pda's. I was watching a youtube clip on iPod Touch 4 the other day which I normally do on my Galaxy, and was so impressed with the sharpness and vividity that I decided to compare thse two side by side. And what a disappointment! Although the Galaxy offers more saturated colours and higher contrast due to OLED's blacks, the sharpness was nowhere near iPods Retina. And personally for me it completely ruins the whole visual experience.
Don't get me wrong, I was aware of the lower resolution (not helped by bigger screen size) before even purchasing SGS2. But I guess this poor youtube experience further highlighted it. I do realize it's probably due to some limitations within the YT app not allowing high enough resolution, and the might be a solution to overcome it that I'm not aware of. By the way I used the stock YT app asa well as the one called RollTube that allows you to download videos. Connection is WiFi 12mbps and videos whatched are HD quality.
Am I the only one bothered by the slightly lower resolution of the SGS2's display? I don't know whether it's over 300ppi but I can clearly tell the difference in sharpness in side by side comparison to Retina looking at the same image. Please let me know what you think folks, and if you know how to fix the YouTube problem that'd be fantastic!
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i thought the same as you...i thought my retina display was ten times better than the Galaxy s2 one...but after spending a few months with the the phone i would not change it for the world....i was playing the other day with my friends iphone 4 and il be honest my one is better....youtube videos mine are pretty clear but probably due to the high resolution on the iphone it will loook sharper...but everyone to their own tastes i say
Iphone has higher ppi than in sgs2 which i think is the cause..
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Yea, i got this same problem, and posted in many forums about it, but obviously no one care about YT?!... The problem is not related to higher resolution on ipod/iphone retina. The same video, downloaded to the phone from Tubemate with highest res is amazing. And on HTC Sensation the things looks awesome too! So my gues is that the youtube app(SGS2), does not play videos in HQ with the highest posible resolution. And for me, for some reason, the playback itself is sometimes choppy, like not enough buffering or something?!!...This choppiness is common for me on every rom i've tried after 2.3.3, no matter custom or stock! The question is why nobody talk about that roblem? I got answers that there is no problem with playback from any forum i search. Are all those people blind, or they don't watch hq videos?
The choppines might be due to the network speed. The playback for me is very smooth.
I am pretty sure the low res is the YT app limitation. A full HD video file when downloaded to pc is around 50-100MB, whereas downloaded to the handset the same video is only 10-15MB. Obviously it is a compressed file with lower resolution. Same applies for viewing.
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ephraim033 said:
Iphone has higher ppi than in sgs2 which i think is the cause..
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Obviously it is. But noone seem to be bothered, perhaps because not much can be done other than changing handset.
But the Youtube problem is software related and can be overcome.
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User X said:
The choppines might be due to the network speed. The playback for me is very smooth.
I am pretty sure the low res is the YT app limitation. A full HD video file when downloaded to pc is around 50-100MB, whereas downloaded to the handset the same video is only 10-15MB. Obviously it is a compressed file with lower resolution. Same applies for viewing.
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No man, my files are just about 50-150MB when downloaded on the phone, and they are with stunning quality!And i use same WiFi network as on my PC, so there is no way that be the problem.Besides choppiness is present only in 2.3.4 or higher, not 2.3.3? Obviously this is some kind of limitation in the app, but why just on sgs2, not others? As i said, on Sensation, the problem doesn't exists? On IOS too? Did Google knows that this device is capable of more that they think? This problem drives me crazy since day 1, and shouldn't be ignored! 600$ on the phone and no quality Youtubes? WTF!?!
Actually, you know what? I've just managed to download a proper HD file using the app you mentioned (Tubemate) and despite the bigger screen size it wasn't easy yo spot the difference in the resolution of SGS2 vs Retina. Samsung have done a good job by adding some subpicsels to make up for low ppi. It's the icons where you still can spot the difference relatively easily.
If our app developers could make one that would allow an HD YouTube playback AND the download option in the same app I'm sure people would be willing to pay for it!
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User X said:
Hi all!
I apologise if already discussed, but can't find anything after searching within xda-app and google.
I am very happy with my SGS2 in general and consider it to be the best phone so far on the market (maybe apart from sgs2 hd), and therefore expect it's performance to be superior to most phones/pda's. I was watching a youtube clip on iPod Touch 4 the other day which I normally do on my Galaxy, and was so impressed with the sharpness and vividity that I decided to compare thse two side by side. And what a disappointment! Although the Galaxy offers more saturated colours and higher contrast due to OLED's blacks, the sharpness was nowhere near iPods Retina. And personally for me it completely ruins the whole visual experience.
Don't get me wrong, I was aware of the lower resolution (not helped by bigger screen size) before even purchasing SGS2. But I guess this poor youtube experience further highlighted it. I do realize it's probably due to some limitations within the YT app not allowing high enough resolution, and the might be a solution to overcome it that I'm not aware of. By the way I used the stock YT app asa well as the one called RollTube that allows you to download videos. Connection is WiFi 12mbps and videos whatched are HD quality.
Am I the only one bothered by the slightly lower resolution of the SGS2's display? I don't know whether it's over 300ppi but I can clearly tell the difference in sharpness in side by side comparison to Retina looking at the same image. Please let me know what you think folks, and if you know how to fix the YouTube problem that'd be fantastic!
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Hi, where can i get this rolltube app from? I googled it and nothing comes up its also not in the market, id love to record videos for my daughter, thanks.
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But you cant watch YouTube videos on iPhone
It's spelled Rolle Tube and I think I gound it on the XDA forum.
Try Tubemate it's on the market and allows you to choose different resolutions invluding HD to download.
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jonny68 said:
But you cant watch YouTube videos on iPhone
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Jonny, I'm pretty sure you can
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Does the ipod app let you view youtube videos on hd?
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Jonny, I'm pretty sure you can
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my mate has an iPhone4 and he cant watch YouTube videos.
I wish they wouldnt allow apple to use youtube - its a google service!
Want youtube, get android...
Puzzles me why google wouldnt play this card, apple would if switched around.
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iphone has youtube app build in out of the box, and it plays perfect.
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Does the ipod app let you view youtube videos on hd?
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Yes, the quality is very high.
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I've finaly found what causing the choppiness. I flashed Siyah kernel, and used smartassv2 governor. What a surprise for me was to find out that playback was fine. The problem obviously was in the default cpu ondemand governor. In other words, the cpu scalling was somehow wrong?!... Unfortunately, the smartass governor, was no good to me for games, very poor frame rates.
Is it only me who thinks that all the videos online show the Z5 premium 4K screen at 1080p resolution ? For such a high pixel density the icons and menu should be much smaller and app list in the menu should be more than 4x5 .
I found a video showing the Z5 Premium running at a different resolution but much slower. I must admit I don't understand spanish but anyone can watch the end where things get really laggy ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYn76ywh4tg
Old software running at 300 dpi. Will not be present in the finalized product
Have to admit that when I hear 4K I expect the resolution to be similar to the one in the video. It makes a huge difference and looks much better.
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Old software running at 300 dpi. Will not be present in the finalized product
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You look like expert of Sony and you have many xperia mobiles . I had one in the past, the Ultra T2 and although I liked everything about it that time, but sold it after 1 week becuse the low call voice in the loud speakers, althoigh the music was fine . I found out on the net, that may eb all Sony experia has this issue, may be thier standard.
Can you tell me if all the xperia you used has the same low call voice. I am thinking of buying C4 or may be the z5 , but I am afraid to have the same issue.
Thanks
Premium will not use 4k all the time, only when needed.
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You look like expert of Sony and you have many xperia mobiles . I had one in the past, the Ultra T2 and although I liked everything about it that time, but sold it after 1 week becuse the low call voice in the loud speakers, althoigh the music was fine . I found out on the net, that may eb all Sony experia has this issue, may be thier standard.
Can you tell me if all the xperia you used has the same low call voice. I am thinking of buying C4 or may be the z5 , but I am afraid to have the same issue.
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Hi, I only have used flagship devices from Sony and all have excellent call voice quality. If you have the cash fro the Z5 definitely go for the Z5.
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Premium will not use 4k all the time, only when needed.
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
http://www.modaco.com/news/android/of-course-the-z5-premium-doesnt-run-in-4k-all-the-time-r1515/
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http://www.modaco.com/news/android/of-course-the-z5-premium-doesnt-run-in-4k-all-the-time-r1515/
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I'll wait for the official release. If that's really the case I'll go for a Z5. There is no point in paying $200 more for something I won't be using.
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I'll wait for the official release. If that's really the case I'll go for a Z5. There is no point in paying $200 more for something I won't be using.
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You get a larger battery and screen though
It's exactly like macbook pro retinas... you still have the desktop space of the standard resolution, yet much crispier
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-explains-xperia-z5-premium-4k-642067/
“Xperia Z5 Premium features a 4K display with a resolution of 3840×2160 pixels based on SID Standard and enables all video and image content to be enjoyed in 4K resolution. All other content is displayed at 1080P or lower resolution in order to optimise the performance and battery stamina for this device, ensuring you can enjoy the 4K resolution when you need it most.“
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Almost no point of the Z5 Premium in that case, as my old laptop certainly isn't going to render it, nor is my 2010 spec plasma
Once you root it and have xposed installed I'm sure you can set a per app DPI. I can't use a phone if it doesn't have root (won't connect to headunit) and exposed makes everything so much better.
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
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Even if that's the case, you are never going to browse and read at more than 480p. I've seen almost none apps for "simple" things going higher than 480p... Neither Chrome for browsing, nor Play Books for reading...for example!
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I Like it
it s smart management for speed & power
I don need 4K rendering when watching HD clips So It s better that phone switch to FHD/HD rendering
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
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Lol u want to browse and read in 4K, but anything above 1080p is nearly undetectable for humans eye
4K will become standardised very soon, as VR goggles are getting more and more popular.
Now, on 1080p, when using VR goggles, the screen does get separated into two images. Thus screen resolution you see thru the glasses be like 400x800 or so..
Imagine, when using 4K... VR goggles will still display 2K.. Which is more pixels than our 1080p res.
Take a magnifier and look at a 1080p screen, count the pixels and multiply that by 2. That's the resolution you'll see thru VR goggles when using a 4k display, and that's exactly what it's designed and meant for.
Sooner or later, Sony will come up with their very own VR goggles like Samsung with VR gear.
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Lol u want to browse and read in 4K, but anything above 1080p is nearly undetectable for humans eye
4K will become standardised very soon, as VR goggles are getting more and more popular.
Now, on 1080p, when using VR goggles, the screen does get separated into two images. Thus screen resolution you see thru the glasses be like 400x800 or so..
Imagine, when using 4K... VR goggles will still display 2K.. Which is more pixels than our 1080p res.
Take a magnifier and look at a 1080p screen, count the pixels and multiply that by 2. That's the resolution you'll see thru VR goggles when using a 4k display, and that's exactly what it's designed and meant for.
Sooner or later, Sony will come up with their very own VR goggles like Samsung with VR gear.
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I dont really understand what's with the "undetectable thing " people keep repeating.
If you browse at 4K, text is much smaller and the content displayed is much more than 1080p . I don't have to scroll 2 pages to see everything where I can see it in only one @4K.
When you buy bigger PC screen you get more space on your desktop ( icons / files etc.. ) because resolution gets higher not because the screen gets bigger.
Whether I can see the pixel or not is my least concern.
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I dont really understand what's with the "undetectable thing " people keep repeating.
If you browse at 4K, text is much smaller and the content displayed is much more than 1080p . I don't have to scroll 2 pages to see everything where I can see it in only one @4K.
When you buy bigger PC screen you get more space on your desktop ( icons / files etc.. ) because resolution gets higher not because the screen gets bigger.
Whether I can see the pixel or not is my least concern.
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That's not about resolution.
Resolution is about pixels.
How things appear on the screen is about layout / DPI.
U can easily spoof ur DPI in build.prop or with an xposed module, even per-app.
Just Google a bit and you'll find out
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That's not about resolution.
Resolution is about pixels.
How things appear on the screen is about layout / DPI.
U can easily spoof ur DPI in build.prop or with an xposed module, even per-app.
Just Google a bit and you'll find out
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Higher DPI means higher resolution....
In the first video I posted the dpi was increased as u can see in the end of the video the device becomes very laggy during transition.
bottom line, xperia can't handle 4K resolution.
Xeon said:
Higher DPI means higher resolution....
In the first video I posted the dpi was increased as u can see in the end of the video the device becomes very laggy during transition.
bottom line, xperia can't handle 4K resolution.
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Cool! So if I just put higher DPI, and everything looks smaller on my Z, that means I suddenly have 4K lol
Believe what u want to believe Bro :thumbup:
I came from a Samsung s6 Edge+ and it had a pretty good screen with 518ppi
Sony made a big deal about the 4k screen. But do you really notice it?
When i first got it a few days ago. I was not sure what to expect. Would i notice it or not, because it's not always in 4k.
Theres a lot of people out there saying it's a gimmick and you wont notice it because your eyes cannot see the pixels to notice it.
Well it was the first thing i noticed. The fact i couldn't see any sharp edges on the text. Everything was so smooth and fluid. Even though the pixels on my edge+ are small, and i put it side to side and although its minimal, but i could notice the difference.
I had a friend show me a video on youtube today, it was a good quality video ect. Then i showed him a video about our topic, not talking about the phone. As soon as he watched the video, he right away commented on the screen how it looked so realistic and smooth.
So In my opinion, Yes i can see the difference with a 4k screen. It's not a gimmick. What are your thoughts?
Sure I can see it, problem is that when you've seen the 4k content you can actually notice going back to full hd...
It's the text on the screen most especially ?, it was soooo clean I had to double check on my ex (the OP3T). The difference can clearly been seen. It's a very good display
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The display is amazing
I used ADB to set the display to be 4K all the time. Yes there is a difference, but unless you use really small display scaling/text, it won't be very evident. Still, this is probably one of the sharpest displays available to consumers in the world. You will never see a jagged edge.
pauly92 said:
I came from a Samsung s6 Edge+ and it had a pretty good screen with 518ppi
Sony made a big deal about the 4k screen. But do you really notice it?
When i first got it a few days ago. I was not sure what to expect. Would i notice it or not, because it's not always in 4k.
Theres a lot of people out there saying it's a gimmick and you wont notice it because your eyes cannot see the pixels to notice it.
So In my opinion, Yes i can see the difference with a 4k screen. It's not a gimmick. What are your thoughts?
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You need to smoke something and you'll see the difference haha. It's more or a gimmick and I wished there was more 4k content. But the experience is new and strange. I feel the urge to stick my eyes on the screen to see more details, or use a magnifying glass. But for recreational purposes, it's a cool thing. A neat trick.
Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!
I don't know guys, I'm still on the fence and can't really tell. Maybe it's my eyes lol, or my super high expectations.
I tried watching Peru 8k in YouTube but it kept buffering. Bummer. It looked amazing but experience limited by size of screen.
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Sleepisme said:
Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!
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Lol I saw this video some time ago and was wowed[emoji23]....
Amazon prime video finally showed a video in 4k HDR and I was left in Wonderland. I could tell the difference in quality right away because some parts other video were in full HD before snapping into 4k mode.
After the adb switch to 4k, the most noticeable difference is how everything's SUPER CLEAR. It's the exact same thing that happened to me when I switched my pc monitor from FHD TO 4K. The text and other elements on the screen are soo defined.
I left it in 4k because it had very little to no effect on my battery and performance. I rather enjoy the full 4k display [emoji16]
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martinezma99 said:
I tried watching Peru 8k in YouTube but it kept buffering. Bummer. It looked amazing but experience limited by size of screen
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Lol I'm having the same issue my house has a slow connection so what I did is I installed TubeMate from its G+ page (to avoid malware etc.) and downloaded the video in native 4K. Took some while but now I have my own collection of 4K videos to show off to friends and family.
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Lol I'm having the same issue my house has a slow connection so what I did is I installed TubeMate from its G+ page (to avoid malware etc.) and downloaded the video in native 4K. Took some while but now I have my own collection of 4K videos to show off to friends and family.
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I'm not able to install some apk files, tubemate included. Some apk's work fine though. Did you face this issue.
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I'm not able to install some apk files, tubemate included. Some apk's work fine though. Did you face this issue.
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Actually only one time when I tried to install Alan Walker Theme.apk. I ended up installing using a pc then transfered the .apk into my phone which worked.
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Actually only one time when I tried to install Alan Walker Theme.apk. I ended up installing using a pc then transfered the .apk into my phone which worked.
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How did you installed it using the pc, please help.
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How did you installed it using the pc, please help.
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I might misunderstood you but here's how to do it.
You just install the .apk on your pc, then transfer the .apk file into your phone's storage once you connect these two devices using usb cable and allow file transfer. Be cautious since some people tinker with the app and change it into malware so install TubeMate .apk only from it's Google+ page. Next, find the file in your phone and execute it within your phone. Make sure beforehand you go to Settings>Lock Screen & Security to toggle on Unknown Sources.
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Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!
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Did you watch in 8K or 4K? cause I think HDR kicks in 8K am I right? I downloaded both 8K and 4K and I can see the HDR difference in monitor! I am gonna transfer both files and see.
Need more 4K HDR stuff
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Did you watch in 8K or 4K? cause I think HDR kicks in 8K am I right? I downloaded both 8K and 4K and I can see the HDR difference in monitor! I am gonna transfer both files and see.
Need more 4K HDR stuff
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Honestly I'm not sure how exactly HDR in this phone works ie whether it is turned on all the time or only kicks in if the content supported it. I'm keen towards the second one.
I use professional mode (sRGB) and the colour reproduction is just realistic and outstanding I'm in love with everything I see now ? and HDR is the best under-appreciated thing ever.
I can only watch in 4K since I'm using the phone to both download and watch. Prior to downloading, the max resolution I am allowed to choose is only 4K. I think if you transfer the 8K video into your phone it will be played in only 4K, but the quality is still top-notch.
What I think is worth mentioning here is I realised after enabling 4K all the time, 480p video on YouTube looks sharper and clearer compared to when 4K is disabled.
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I might misunderstood you but here's how to do it.
You just install the .apk on your pc, then transfer the .apk file into your phone's storage once you connect these two devices using usb cable and allow file transfer. Be cautious since some people tinker with the app and change it into malware so install TubeMate .apk only from it's Google+ page. Next, find the file in your phone and execute it within your phone. Make sure beforehand you go to Settings>Lock Screen & Security to toggle on Unknown Sources.
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Great, I'll try it out.. Thanks..
Is this one good ? http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/devian...outube-downloader-2-4-3-android-apk-download/
here are 2 pictures
1 for running the commands on my Z5 compact (broken screen thats why I bought the xz premium)
the other to see if youtube supports the screen.
now the screen only supprted QHD at 640 PPI after trying to run it at 4k
evidently youtube supported 2k resolution on a 720p screen.
so Sony could be yanking us about their "4k" screen when you can clearly see 1080p phones beating it! heck even this z5c on 720p beats it and on 2k its far destructive over the XZ premium!!
talk about 4gb of ram? the z5c has 2!!! try to reset both phones and see the difference in scroll speed in home screen and in app drawer!! z5c is flawless! fully bright as hell supports 2k and it looks alot better.
so maybe thats why we see pixel grids on the xz premium and thats why its not as sharp as other devices (NOTICEABLY LESS SHARP!!! even on "4k" mod pfft as if it has the right to be called a 4k device)
so disappointing... i paid for 4k screen got a virtual 4k... 806 ppi? guess again! its native ppi is 408 even after 4k mod it says DPI 806 but clearly shows PPI (X) 400+ (forgot the exact number) and PPI (Y) 400+.
I know even on 1080p the xz premium supports 4k videos but what proves us that sony actually added lines to the app to support NATIVE 4K and not VIRTUAL?
screen is supposedly supportive of 120hz? lol even on 60hz its not even showing real 60hz the Z5C is far smoother with worse processor and lower ram performs better, worse screen looks a lot sharper, worse camera (in most cases it is but it is sharper though).
So in conclusion, this is not a 4k screen (i could be wrong or missing something) even if it is 4k, to me, i dont even see it comparable to 1080p... Im sorry but lets not let the lies blind fold us..
To add to that sony phones are rootless, they are but whats the point of rooting if youre gonna lose your camera functionality? I say if you root a phone and it becomes worse, to me its automatically rootless
So to finish my post:
SCEW YOU SONY!! THIS MY LAST DEVICE FROM YOU, YOU CHEAP LYING ADVERTISERS MONEY HUNGRY THIEVES!!
Have a good one people
It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.
Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!
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Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!
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I am grown dude i said my opinion i didnt even swear its not i just said concidering the fact that the emulator can make a 720p screen run at 2k how can we make sure that this 4k is really 4k? Native and not virtual... You say using the right apps its really 4k how can u be so sure? I ran youtube vid on 2k on a 720p screen emulated to 2k so how does that prove anything?
Btw im not mad at the developers in here the other poat stated the sick comunity of unthankful people who are accusing them of not doing a good job, im not mad at them im mad at sony. If i was right with you people would you look me in a straight face telling me you really think this 4k screen looks sharper than the z3? (1080p) dont answer before you check, cuz i did, on 4k enabled, compare it to the z3 and it looks less sharp, and the z3 has whiter whites so i paid for this device cuz of how sony advertised its screen being the best since its 4k but it actually isnt as good so maybe youre mad at me for hating but i paid loads for this concidering what in can deliver according to the advertisements of sony but in actuality it doesnt show it...
I said maybe i could be wrong about the screen not being a native 4k, but even if im wrong this doesnt look 4k to me, look me in a straight face and tell me this actually looks 4times sharper than any other 1080p screen. If you cant tell me that dont judge me for being mad cuz i paid for 4 times 1080 screen and all i got is worse sharpness with pixelated grids
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It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.
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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes and this doesnt look anything like I expected from a 4k screen to deliver... The worst i expected is for it to not be worse than 1080p phones.. But its even worse so im really disappointed.
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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes
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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.
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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.
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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.
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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.
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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.
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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.
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well that is true although i did spend quite a lot of time researching the phone not one reviewer said that it doesnt run 4k all the time. i didnt own a z5 so i didnt know, after a while some reviewers stated the fact that it doesnt run at all times, even so mate im not hating nor mad at any one except sony you know why? cuz a lot of customers went on to sony support center asking for enabling 4k at all time, you know what sony suggested? using that emulator I talked about earlier, it was ok at first but i have a sharp eye to notice things, and I did notice that the screen is still not as sharp, so then I tried running the emulator on my 720p screen z5c and it ran at 2k... then I was surprised and disappointed that sony them selves would answer the question of "how to enable 4k at all times" with a virtual emulator rather than to allow enjoy *native* 4k.
thats one point made, second point is maybe im too into my device than any one else, to the point where I go digging on it and comparing it its because its a newer generation.
Im paying for a new phone, if im getting just as good as previews owns then why buy? cuz technology is developing, sony said its 4k, but they tell us to virtually emulate it to use it all the time at 4k, lying to our faces? it worked on the z5c so how is that native? how does that make our device special? I could have sticked to my old phone had my screen fixed for a lil money if im getting 2k at a 4.7" screen is even better than 4k on 5.5" so why sony advertisers are so hype "oh look 4k, WOW damn sony is good JEEZ 4k screen on a smartphone thats some thing else right there thats new thats TECHNOLOGY right there" when its just a software emulating pixels, again, even if the screen is proven 4K, the method sony has provided us to run it at 4k at all times isnt really 4k and they say it is, who knows what else they are lying about keep digging and ill find more trust me.
"only look at your plate, stay out of others plates" that is true, but in this case, the plate company has gave me a reason to buy their plate so I would enjoy what the plate has to offer, once I got the plate, it isnt what I wanted, so I ordered a 4k phone, it didnt look like one, sure to some people it is a great display i think so too, it is VERY good, crisp and is very realistic and natural, but some people and not only me, you can see in a lot of threads that there are a lot of pissed off mislead people because the hype of this phone is 4K HDR.
sadly if its better than other 1080p phones, it looks the same some times worse, in some cases better but not in terms of sharpness. the more pixels you have the more detailed the display, ive seen more details on other screens.
im stuck with the device i aint selling its pretty good overall im not complaining about the device, but I am mad at sony for pissing me off it is a great device, but my expectations were a lot higher, very disappointing by sony...
thats just the screen, it pisses me off even more knowing that most phone companies use SONY cameras and sony cant even compete with them in terms of photo quality, just shows how low lives money hungry they are... very manipulative and dont care about their customers. telling me to virtually run 4k is actually NATIVE when it clearly can run a 720p phone in 2k!
There are other ways to enable 4K or even 2K on the phone via ADB I believe, take a look around the forum and you might find a better way to run it rather than the emulator.
I have never looked into it myself because I am satisfied with the phone and do not want 4K to be always on and drain my battery. Also, that is another consideration Sony factored in, as on the Z5P and the XZP, 4K and battery life need to coexist, and though the screen is of course a major feature as advertised, they have to find a balance as not all consumers are like us XDA users, most people do not root their phones and mess with them like we do. You have to remember that also, we would love certain features but we need a balance, the XZP could have been even bigger and heavier if they had constant 4K and a larger capacity battery to support it and provide enough juice to last 2 days, you have to remember that battery charge times, in-call and standby times are also major factors, people do buy because of battery life expectations, having to charge less, having greater freedom of usage and not having to worry about charging every hour.
Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.
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Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.
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I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.
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I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.
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yah Im from Israel, we almost dont have any store that shows you the device before purchasing, you just go to the store and ask for what you want to buy and you cant open any thing before purchase...
so I cant really compare and sony isnt famous in israel when it comes to phones so its hard to find some one who has sony to compare with so I rely on the internet.
I actually checked some youtube videos on speed test against some flagship devices from other manufacturers and I noticed that the xzp does have a crisp screen (could be the camera not catching the best angle for the displays) so in my conclusion all the manufactures are using QHD and UHD displays but their previous devices that has 1080p have crisper displays,either that or before they used over-saturated amoled displays that made the screen look sharper but now are using more natural image producing displays less saturated which caused our eye to believe its less sharp, I dont really understand, still I expected better.
yes camera is inferior due to lack of OIS but in videos in the morning it does perform better than all in my opinion, still hold the device in a tripod it will perform just as good even at night...
Yet Sony is the main camera provider for most of the other manufactures and yet sony devices have lower quality than all, just doesnt make any sense, here I ask my self this question:
Is sony doing this because they get more money from other manufactures buying their camera than costumers buying their phones? maybe they have a contract on which sony is not allowed to produce better images than its competitors otherwise they would stop buying cameras from them? - I actually read that some where...
@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD
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@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.
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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.
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yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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Thats great.. please do notify me when the project is done .. i want to be one of the first to test it as well.. cheers mate
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yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.
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Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.
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Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.
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yes i have done my research, but only after a long period was it discovered that the ADB commands only run it in 4k VIRTUALLY which I didnt think it would be that way (and a lot of others still dont even know what virtual is)
i thought it was native, some thing that makes our device more special than others.
ive seen lots of reviews where they claim this mod is actually 4k because SONY said so, but its not native, so its a lie.
ask in sony forums how to enable 4k at all times, they give you this method and its not even native and they are telling customers its real 4k. you tell me thats not a lie?
I dont care how virtual 4k looks like, I could have bought the samsung having native 2k. I could have bought the HTC or the iphone, I could have even stayed on my previous phone and used the commands and run it at 2k/4k, whats the point of paying extra if you only get native support of 4k for a couple of apps? I actually thought only the XZ premium is 4k so when I had my z5 compact with a broken screen I was like "hey why spend much money on fixing? looks like the new phones are all coming 2k/4k why stick to 720p??" so i bought the xz premium cuz I felt like im oldschool I wanted an upgrade, but if i knew this method works on my z5c I wouldnt have thought of buying a new phone I could have just paid 50$ and got it fixed.
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I haven't been able to play much with the phone, since I haven't got a cover for it yet.
But in the super resolution option, the camera is using 49MP? or is it actually just upscaled resolution from the 12MP? I hope future update will bring 960fps slowmotion.
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I haven't been able to play much with the phone, since I haven't got a cover for it yet.
But in the super resolution option, the camera is using 49MP? or is it actually just upscaled resolution from the 12MP? I hope future update will bring 960fps slowmotion.
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it appears that it takes multiple photos at different exposures kind of like an hdr image, but stitches them together in a way that produces an nMP x 4 resulting image, in this case 12MP x 4 = 48MP. Don't know where you got 49, is the sensor maybe like 12.2MP or something?
So anyway, its not a true 48/49MP image, but its not just an upscale either.
I'm sure updates will start rolling out in a few months, it will interesting to see what they can bring. I don't know much about asus phones, but I'ved owned a ton of asus products, and I'm sure the rog phone will at least get something cool :good:
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it appears that it takes multiple photos at different exposures kind of like an hdr image, but stitches them together in a way that produces an nMP x 4 resulting image, in this case 12MP x 4 = 48MP. Don't know where you got 49, is the sensor maybe like 12.2MP or something?
So anyway, its not a true 48/49MP image, but its not just an upscale either.
I'm sure updates will start rolling out in a few months, it will interesting to see what they can bring. I don't know much about asus phones, but I'ved owned a ton of asus products, and I'm sure the rog phone will at least get something cool :good:
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Hopefully you can see the picture. And in the corner it shows 49M. I wish Oneplus 6/T would release their gaming mode for all Androids. It is much better done than the gaming mode asus has.
Yea I see, I'll correct myself. "I don't know where IT got 49
Is gaming mode like when you go to developer settings and enable CPU high performance mode? sounds like it essentially does the same thing... I'n which case I wouldn't care because it will already be way faster than my m7 haha
maybe you could upload some pics with super res on and off, seeing as this is a photo quality thread?
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Yea I see, I'll correct myself. "I don't know where IT got 49
Is gaming mode like when you go to developer settings and enable CPU high performance mode? sounds like it essentially does the same thing... I'n which case I wouldn't care because it will already be way faster than my m7 haha
maybe you could upload some pics with super res on and off, seeing as this is a photo quality thread?
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Sorry for the late reply. Weather have been really boring lately. But this is standard and high resolution sample from this morning.
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Sorry for the late reply. Weather have been really boring lately. But this is standard and high resolution sample from this morning.
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thanks for getting back to us with pics. :good:
the super res image definitely has better detail, and is also darker.
bbmaster123 said:
thanks for getting back to us with pics. :good:
the super res image definitely has better detail, and is also darker.
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I ended up returning the rog phone. Oneplus 6 performs 250% better in online gaming.
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I ended up returning the rog phone. Oneplus 6 performs 250% better in online gaming.
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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:
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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:
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Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.
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Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.
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I ordered it. Should have it by next week. Very true, every phone has some sort of compromise. on my m7 is was the lack of a qwerty keyboard, and now it will be size/material/cases for me. Man I really love my current case haha
I'll post back when I get the phone and root/setup/etc
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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:
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Currently using 1st gen RazerPhone and although the screens a bit dark I was mainly looking to get this phone for Netflix and Google/YouTube Premium. Now I know HDR isn't everything but how is video and sound on this phone for Netflix. With Amoled screen I feel it would be better and curious if any black borders on screen during YouTube or Netflix playback. While also going back to 1080 from 1440.
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Currently using 1st gen RazerPhone and although the screens a bit dark I was mainly looking to get this phone for Netflix and Google/YouTube Premium. Now I know HDR isn't everything but how is video and sound on this phone for Netflix. With Amoled screen I feel it would be better and curious if any black borders on screen during YouTube or Netflix playback. While also going back to 1080 from 1440.
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I'm currently using an m7 and the speakers are definitely blown after all these years (almost 5). I have an ROG phone in transit right now, was supposed to be delivered today but the canada post stike is messing with all the couriers right now so fedex hasn't shipped it yet. probably tomorrow. almost for sure. I will definitely let you know how everything is when I get it though! plus I plan to root it and find mods and see what else the phone is capable of.
In regards to black borders on youtube and netflix, since the phone is 18:9 it will definitely have them on netflix, since everything on there is pretty much all 16:9. Youtube has a mix now of multiple aspect ratios so it depends. I'm sure you could zoom in to crop it to 18:9 but I'd prefer the black borders over that personally. (maybe future phones could have ai that fills in the black with generated content? haha)
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I'm currently using an m7 and the speakers are definitely blown after all these years (almost 5). I have an ROG phone in transit right now, was supposed to be delivered today but the canada post stike is messing with all the couriers right now so fedex hasn't shipped it yet. probably tomorrow. almost for sure. I will definitely let you know how everything is when I get it though! plus I plan to root it and find mods and see what else the phone is capable of.
In regards to black borders on youtube and netflix, since the phone is 18:9 it will definitely have them on netflix, since everything on there is pretty much all 16:9. Youtube has a mix now of multiple aspect ratios so it depends. I'm sure you could zoom in to crop it to 18:9 but I'd prefer the black borders over that personally. (maybe future phones could have ai that fills in the black with generated content? haha)
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I remember TVs doing this and started to watch what I could of blizzcon 2018 where my friends TV was cutting alot of the screen off the picture off as menus where not right as per it's display from the laptop so made everyone wait will I fixed the TV. I agree I'm too use to 16:9 now and although I won't be selling my RazerPhone it will probably always be with me as a 2nd phone in my tech bag as you never know when it's needed plus being on a true unlimited data plan with not tethering limit its handy to just have spare if I need it or someone else needs it if traveling. I'll have to live with some bars as 18:9 is still new but did see this.
Any video letterboxing is moot as the actual size of the video doesn't change relative to a 16:9 screen, and actually the extended width can help for movies that are shot is a wider aspect.
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I remember TVs doing this and started to watch what I could of blizzcon 2018 where my friends TV was cutting alot of the screen off the picture off as menus where not right as per it's display from the laptop so made everyone wait will I fixed the TV. I agree I'm too use to 16:9 now and although I won't be selling my RazerPhone it will probably always be with me as a 2nd phone in my tech bag as you never know when it's needed plus being on a true unlimited data plan with not tethering limit its handy to just have spare if I need it or someone else needs it if traveling. I'll have to live with some bars as 18:9 is still new but did see this.
Any video letterboxing is moot as the actual size of the video doesn't change relative to a 16:9 screen, and actually the extended width can help for movies that are shot is a wider aspect.
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yea exactly, since the video resolution doesn't actually change its just best to live with the bars. you still have to do it when watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 anyway so its kinda like the same thing.
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yea exactly, since the video resolution doesn't actually change its just best to live with the bars. you still have to do it when watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 anyway so its kinda like the same thing.
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Yeah I am currently going through some old Star Trek on Netflix and completely forgot about the 4:3 bars. I will probably drop my pre order once I hear back from Asus regarding their 4G supported bands and if they match my Carriers bands. I don't want a phone which doesn't work on 4G. Plus there's and LTE issues with non partner/devices bought from manufacture direct that don't have their branded image on them may not work. trying to get ThreeUK and Asus to confirm i wont have an issue. Plus I know i have 15 days to return it with Asus but want them to advise if i have to pay p&p to return it if it doesn't do what I need.
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Yeah I am currently going through some old Star Trek on Netflix and completely forgot about the 4:3 bars. I will probably drop my pre order once I hear back from Asus regarding their 4G supported bands and if they match my Carriers bands. I don't want a phone which doesn't work on 4G. Plus there's and LTE issues with non partner/devices bought from manufacture direct that don't have their branded image on them may not work. trying to get ThreeUK and Asus to confirm i wont have an issue. Plus I know i have 15 days to return it with Asus but want them to advise if i have to pay p&p to return it if it doesn't do what I need.
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you can double check, I found that the rog supports 4 of 6 lte bands my carrier offers which means slightly restricted throughput/signal strength in certain areas of the city but still lte everywhere.
try googling your carrier + lte bands and see if you can't find some useful information. also google the bands that it does offer to see which ones are most important and you can use that to make a decision.
Rashad83 said:
Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.
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Its a nightmare buying any phone these days with everything done online. I honestly wish that some reviews would actually test and use the devices a bit more rather than the same boring un boxing videos plastered up on YouTube and only a handful of them are actually technical. The ones that are any good are those who start to use the devices as a daily driver for a while.
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Its a nightmare buying any phone these days with everything done online. I honestly wish that some reviews would actually test and use the devices a bit more rather than the same boring un boxing videos plastered up on YouTube and only a handful of them are actually technical. The ones that are any good are those who start to use the devices as a daily driver for a while.
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Just got my phone, I'll test and report back after work. Still need to get a new sim though.
EDIT: so I've been playing around with the phone. I don't have a usb type c connector or a micro sim so theres only so much I've done with it so far but it is impressive. Also for some context, screen on max brightness, rgb logo on colour cycle, and 90hz refresh has used about 25% after 3hrs screen on time. That would have totally drained my old phone
also the wifi is fast on my 5ghz band, 9ms ping and maxed out dl and ul
I did the system update and it made the screen dimmer :/ hope I can fix that after rooting
If theres something specific you'd like to know about just ask
My camera is Not sharp. It looks Like autofocus doesnt work.