Generally speaking, (this is probably obvious to some) I feel they disabled/hid the notification LED controls due to its location directly behind the speaker. Previous devices had clearly visible notification LEDs, and its likely they felt it wasn't presentable enough to be enabled.
I'd imagine during preliminary designs the earpiece speaker was located slightly lower which would have given the led full and unobstructed view ability.
They likely changed the location of the speaker because the phone's front display wouldn't maintain symmetry. Just my random thoughts.
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Good thought, but even now the LED is plenty visible so I'm not sure why they didn't just go with it
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Probably due to the ambient display. Now that I sent back my nexus 6 and am using the note 4 till my 64gb nexus comes in, I really miss that feature. It's perfect for quick and easy notification access, but there's no way to tell if you have a new notification, without picking up the phone/turning the screen on. Having both ambient display and LED lights would be phenomenal.
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Probably due to the ambient display. Now that I sent back my nexus 6 and am using the note 4 till my 64gb nexus comes in, I really miss that feature. It's perfect for quick and easy notification access, but there's no way to tell if you have a new notification, without picking up the phone/turning the screen on. Having both ambient display and LED lights would be phenomenal.
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+1 that would be a really useful combination! Devs will most likely figure something out to achieve that.
If the speaker was lower, wouldn't they have to move the LED with it anyway?
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Its not enabled because they have active display. Its there to tell you the phone is dead (no battery) when trying to turn it on.
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Having both ambient display and LED lights would be phenomenal.
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Ya, see the blink and wave your hand over the phone to see whats up. Na, who needs that?! :cyclops:
From the source commit logs, the first revision of the phone only had a charging LED. The second added the tricolor one.
However, neither LED was ever at any time properly "attached" to android. The "glue" abstraction lib has never exposed either LED since the library's initial commit.
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So, I stumbled across something really cool (quite) a few minutes ago: apparently our devices really can power a few pixels selectively. In my accidental confirmation of Samsung's claim, I was able to get one of NoLED's notification icons to show on the screen without lighting up the rest of the black area for literally a split second.
Here's how:
1. You will need the app "NoLED" in order to continue. In the NoLED settings, make sure you have the icon for sms activated as well as the proximity sensor. My sms icon is set to a lime green, but I doubt that will affect this "test."
2. Send yourself a text message either from your own phone or from some other sms capable device. If sending it to yourself from your own phone, quickly lock the device using the power button after pushing send.
3. Allow NoLED to start flashing around the icon for sms. Wait roughly 5 seconds for the proximity sensor to activate.
4. For steps 4 and 5, it would be wise to be in a completely dark room to be able to more easily tell the difference between the true black and the lit black. With the proximity sensor now active, place your finger over it. The screen should turn off.
5. Now, upon removing your finger pay close attention to the icon that will appear. The icon will show up a couple of milliseconds before the rest of the screen activates.
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 if needed to witness the true black.
This is proof that our SAMOLED screens can display true black.
I am not a developer so I have no idea how to act upon this find to, if possible, adjust settings in the our software to allow true black.
If you happen to know someone who is capable of modifying the kernels or ROMs for our devices to allow this behavior, then by all means have them follow the above steps to see the proof.
Though I hope this minor find can give someone the inspiration and/or start place needed to make these adjustments, I realize this is but a pebble in a world of boulders. Therefore, I remain skeptical and strongly advise others not to get your hopes up.
If anything, it is at least nice to see that Samsung wasn't just lying about the capabilities of SAMOLED screens, but also makes one wonder why they don't allow true black from the start.
Now, time to hit the hay.
Goodnight all.
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On the epic, when you power it up to the initial "galaxy s" screen, you can see true black...the fascinate doesn't have that opening animation?
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On the epic, when you power it up to the initial "galaxy s" screen, you can see true black...the fascinate doesn't have that opening animation?
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It probably did at one point but since I changed kernels and boot animations trying to get rid of verizon crap that animation doesn't show up anymore, which sucks cause I actually liked that one.
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When i power the device off in a dark room, at the end of the power off cycle I get a black screen that isn't black like the other black screens when the phone is on. It looks like it's glowing in the dark or some junk, and you can see a weird pattern like something smudged across the screen.
Is this the type of thing you're talking about? That our devices, when showing black, are actually working to show that black and not just "turning the pixel off" er whatever?
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When i power the device off in a dark room, at the end of the power off cycle I get a black screen that isn't black like the other black screens when the phone is on. It looks like it's glowing in the dark or some junk, and you can see a weird pattern like something smudged across the screen.
Is this the type of thing you're talking about? That our devices, when showing black, are actually working to show that black and not just "turning the pixel off" er whatever?
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Yes, if I'm understanding you correctly that is what I'm talking about. That glowing, almost grey effect shouldn't need to occur in order to show black. I hope it is something that can be hacked, but I don't know.
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I guess this makes me lucky to have 1 pixel stuck on blue. I can easily see the screen turn off in almost any lighting condition.
Couldn't it be that what you're seeing is some kind of residual charge left at power off or some pixels that change states at slightly different rates? I've seen it too and it seems to be a different pattern every time. Also, some of the forums regarding screen burn have talked about samoled break-in so maybe that has an impact as well. Can't factor out power supply leakage either, I guess.
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Couldn't it be that what you're seeing is some kind of residual charge left at power off or some pixels that change states at slightly different rates? I've seen it too and it seems to be a different pattern every time. Also, some of the forums regarding screen burn have talked about samoled break-in so maybe that has an impact as well. Can't factor out power supply leakage either, I guess.
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It is true all of those things could be probable, but in order to prove that the pixels aren't turning off you could disable the lock and screen dimming functions with an app and display a black image. Then in low light conditions you could easily see the blacks are actually a very dark shade of grey. If the pixels were turning off the image would over time obtain deeper blacks as the residual charge runs out.
I, and many others, suspect the phones are programmed to not turn off the pixels. Only question is, why? The only thing this type of test wouldn't be able to prove or disprove is power supply leakage.
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I guess this makes me lucky to have 1 pixel stuck on blue. I can easily see the screen turn off in almost any lighting condition.
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That sucks to have a stuck pixel! Have you tried having the phone replaced? I don't know for sure but a stuck pixel might fall in the manufacturer defect category, so you might be able to have the phone swapped for free?
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Or you can go and download Screen Test and get to the black screen part of the test. It is so hard to notice, but blacks are ever so slightly lighter than if you were to turn the screen off, but it is really hard to catch. Either way, they trump any LCD black levels. They even make my Panny plasma look bad
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Or you can go and download Screen Test and get to the black screen part of the test. It is so hard to notice, but blacks are ever so slightly lighter than if you were to turn the screen off, but it is really hard to catch. Either way, they trump any LCD black levels. They even make my Panny plasma look bad
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Didn't know about that app but I'm sure it would work just as you say. And by the way that would be much easier to notice if you were in complete darkness. I'm completely satisfied with these amazing screens, but it would be awesome if we could obtain true black.
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Didn't know about that app but I'm sure it would work just as you say. And by the way that would be much easier to notice if you were in complete darkness. I'm completely satisfied with these amazing screens, but it would be awesome if we could obtain true black.
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I HAVE tested it in darkness. It is just such a small difference most people's eyes probably couldn't even pick up on it. Blacks are pretty black on this.
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That sucks to have a stuck pixel! Have you tried having the phone replaced? I don't know for sure but a stuck pixel might fall in the manufacturer defect category, so you might be able to have the phone swapped for free?
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It's only one and it's on the side, it does work sometimes. I use noled and it seams to come on at the exact same time as the notifications. Cover the proc sensor and it turns off.
Have you tried jscreenfix from the market? It's free and alot of feedback suggests it can work on stuck pixels.
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I HAVE tested it in darkness. It is just such a small difference most people's eyes probably couldn't even pick up on it. Blacks are pretty black on this.
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Calm down man, was just a suggestion lol. But that's interesting, considering mine is extremely noticible in darkness even with the brightness turned all the way down. I suppose each phone would behave differently in this respect though.
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It's only one and it's on the side, it does work sometimes. I use noled and it seams to come on at the exact same time as the notifications. Cover the proc sensor and it turns off.
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Well I guess that isn't too bad, hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come. Back when I had my Storm 1, I had a red stuck pixel. It wasn't too bad either until it started spreading a few months later. That's okay though, I was one of the lucky ones who got a Storm 2 as a replacement from Verizon. If you havent, you should definitely try that app mentioned above though.
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Yep I tried that app. I kind of like it now, maybe I will name it lol. I will save it for later, if I scratch the screen or something It will give me an excuse to get a new phone
is there a way to get a led notification??
Also wondering... Would come in handy for email / social media notifications.
Go to RadioShack and and buy a Lil led and glue it on the bottom or wherever you want BC this doesn't have and led and one just won't appear from thin air. I would love to have one honestly just like my gn, but it didn't so ima have to survive somehow.
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There's no led and there's no buttons to light up, so no. Only sound notifications currently.
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I use NoLed on my Sensation because of the lack of a big old led like the Nexus One.
I think the only negative for me in ICS running this app is that it conflicts with the customized sliding lockscreen.
Needless to say I haven't tried the NoLed app on the N7 yet. Anyone have a nandroid and some free time to try it? LOL
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lt#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5sZWQubm90aWZ5Il0.
I think noled using an lcd would be killer on the battery. It's designed for an amoled screen
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I think noled using an lcd would be killer on the battery. It's designed for an amoled screen
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^This
An amoled screen doesn't have a backlight, instead each pixel lights up making this type of solution possible. Unfortunately the N7 is a traditional LCD screen, each pixel changes color, but does not light up, the WHOLE backlight would have to be on to see anything on the screen, this would no doubt have a serious effect on battery life, and screen life.
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Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification. There are battery saver options in the app, but I see where you are coming from regarding the screen. I use it on my Sensation without an issue. And battery drainage isn't a problem to me anyways.
I am fine without it though. I don't need notifications on the N7 while I have my phone close at hand.
yesterday i was bored and was somehow glued to the notification light and how it pulsed. and the closer i look, i realize it does not look like the notification light you see on devices such as GS3 or GS4. another thing is the accuracy of the led notification colour.
so i am wondering, is it actually LED or a tiny display made into a notification light?
One way to find out!
(No jk I am also curious but I think it's just a LED.)
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By the low light and the way it works I think its just a little display.
It's a LED.
But the way they have worked with the perforation in the casing makes it look a lot softer than your usual LEDs.
I have a feeling that you answered your own question in your own question.
Also they are not going to make a tiny display to act as notification, what would be very energy consuming and impractical.
Question 1)
Can I use both? Will ambient display show messages... Then when screen closes, the led kicks in?
Or would screen light up and led at same time
Question 2)
I use AC display... Which is sort of ambient display(never owned a moto or nexus 6).
Is ambient display basically the same thing? Meaning I won't need that
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Bigal77 said:
Question 1)
Can I use both? Will ambient display show messages... Then when screen closes, the led kicks in?
Or would screen light up and led at same time
Question 2)
I use AC display... Which is sort of ambient display(never owned a moto or nexus 6).
Is ambient display basically the same thing? Meaning I won't need that
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I have the Nexus 6 and when I get a message the ambient kicks in as well as the LED. . I am rooted to get light flow to work,but I imagine the 6P will be the same.
I had the original Moto X, and the ambient display worked just fine for me. It's a lot better than an LED, because it's bigger (therefore lighter) and you can see exactly what it is. And, as a bonus, you can check the time by simply picking the phone up (it doesn't turn on randomly).
Bigal77 said:
Question 1)
Can I use both? Will ambient display show messages... Then when screen closes, the led kicks in?
Or would screen light up and led at same time
Question 2)
I use AC display... Which is sort of ambient display(never owned a moto or nexus 6).
Is ambient display basically the same thing? Meaning I won't need that
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1. Yes, you will be able to use both without any issues. Unlike the Nexus 6 one, this is a fully working RBG Light.
2. It is pretty much the same thing, yes. But I think AC Display is designed to look more like the Moto X Active Display thing. They do the same thing though.
Does it have notification light and if so where is it located?
I'm looking to buy moto z or note 7, not entirely sure which one to buy?
Z owners try this pleae
Turn phone off and insert charger.
G4 plus has a hidden notification light, next to the fingerprint reader is only visible trying the above method.
No it has the way cooler Ambient Display thing that Motorola's been doing for a few years
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Everyone here is going to tell you to get the Z Force. Haven't seen a complaint thread
Thanks I do like the ambient display but I think double it up with notification light would be much more useful. The only issue with ambient display is the screen goes dark after a short period and Ambient Display kicks in again when you pick up your Phone. Notification light is constantly flashing so you're aware whenever you look at your phone without lifting or touching it.
riz157 said:
Thanks I do like the ambient display but I think double it up with notification light would be much more useful. The only issue with ambient display is the screen goes dark after a short period and Ambient Display kicks in again when you pick up your Phone. Notification light is constantly flashing so you're aware whenever you look at your phone without lifting or touching it.
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Well, you could wave your hand over it, but yeah, you need to actively check it.
Get a smartwatch, then you'll know when the notifications come in
I posted this question to flossy Carter on youtube who confirmed it does have notification light. He's normally very reliable can anyone else confirm this?
I swear I remember seeing a white LED on this phone near the speaker or something when I first got it and I never saw it again after the first day...I think it has a notification light..
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I swear I remember seeing a white LED on this phone near the speaker or something when I first got it and I never saw it again after the first day...I think it has a notification light..
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Turn phone off and insert charger. G4 plus has a hidden notification light, next to the fingerprint reader.
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I swear I remember seeing a white LED on this phone near the speaker or something when I first got it and I never saw it again after the first day...I think it has a notification light..
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Yes you did see one, it is where the speaker is at. I have only seen it when the phone is powered off and I plug in the charger.
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steelo_unbelievable said:
Yes you did see one, it is where the speaker is at. I have only seen it when the phone is powered off and I plug in the charger.
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So is it similar to nexus 6 green notification light hidden within the speaker area?
^I never owned a nexus 6 but from your explanation, yes. There is a white led hidden.
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steelo_unbelievable said:
^I never owned a nexus 6 but from your explanation, yes. There is a white led hidden.
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Ok thanks for confirming. I've preordered it from Amazon uk expected to be delivered tomorrow, will know exactly what it's like. Funny thing it's already out of stock Amazon and not sure if they will restock which is slightly strange and concerning.
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riz157 said:
Ok thanks for confirming. I've preordered it from Amazon uk expected to be delivered tomorrow, will know exactly what it's like. Funny thing it's already out of stock Amazon and not sure if they will restock which is slightly strange and concerning.
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Its sounding like there is an auxillary light, but it cannot be used as a notification light (as of yet, perhaps we can access it if we get root like with the nexus 6)