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uk speed camera .cab for tomtom

Hi guys
Can any 1 remember the cab file needed for speed camera detection in uk with tomtom 5.2
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what software can i use on xda exec to alert me of cameras etc
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go to www.pocketgpsworld.com or .co.uk ??? and follow the instructions to get the speed cam database installed and working with TOMTOM

Celtictiger said:
what software can i use on xda exec to alert me of cameras etc
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A free download for TomTom; seems to work great- warns you (visual and audio) of speed limits, cameras or anything else (POIs) you wish to have warnings/alerts for.
http://checkpoint.oabsoftware.nl/index.php?MainURL=body-download.htm

i thought checkpoint was only for TT3 as in TT5 you can pretty much the same using POI, alright the warnings aint quite the same but its less overhead

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i thought checkpoint was only for TT3 as in TT5 you can pretty much the same using POI, alright the warnings aint quite the same but its less overhead
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True about the overhead with using CheckPOInt, although the latest version is designed to run with TTN v5.
Does TomTom give an audible warning? I think this is the main reason for having CheckPOInt- not an important feature for for everyone I should imagine.

Tomtom 5 will give you 1 audio warning based on distance to the camera. Checkpoint will give you 2 audio warnings based on time to arrive at the camera. However you should set up Tomtom to display the visual warning and checkpoint to manage the audio warnings only or Tomtom will get slow screen refreshes. Personally I don't bother with Checkpoint as I don't see the value anymore, although I loved it for Tomtom 3.
I should also point out the the Pocketgps.co.uk will be charging for future updates to their database at £2 a time or £19 for a yearly subscription to their site. However it is an outstanding database and they do deserve to start charging, especially as they intend to plow the cash back into maintaining the database to an even higher standard.

just checked em, they're already charging, BUG**R!, i wanted one last update before it kicked in, ahh well off i go to find the wifes credit card :lol:

Carnivor said:
just checked em, they're already charging, BUG**R!, i wanted one last update before it kicked in, ahh well off i go to find the wifes credit card :lol:
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Aw c'mon £2 is all we're askin' (unless you've contributed prior to 1st Jan 06 or donated in the past via PayPal in which case you get Free lifetime subs.

griffog said:
Aw c'mon £2 is all we're askin' (unless you've contributed prior to 1st Jan 06 or donated in the past via PayPal in which case you get Free lifetime subs.
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Wish you luck with your charging scheme. Personally, it put me right off your site...

Fair enough, it hasn't affacted the majority and the most of those who were eligible for free subs have applied and are sorted now.
If you realised how much work goes into it and the improvements we have deployed and have in the pipeline I'm sure you'd think different.
Did you ever contribute a location?

griffog said:
If you realised how much work goes into it and the improvements we have deployed and have in the pipeline I'm sure you'd think different.
Did you ever contribute a location?
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All the locations I saw were already listed.
I'm probably more aware of the work involved than you presume. I have maintained and provided public information thru websites in the past. Please tell me, when you started the database did you do it as a personal project, a public service, or with the intention to profit one day?
Now that you have made the database a commercial enterprise are you now complying with the many legalities of running such an enterprise, including insurance against possible claims regarding what you are supplying? And if it's not a commercial enterprise then surely you are fund raising and the better way is to request funds, through advertising, or a premium product vs a basic one (perhaps like DVD Profiler)?
BTW, how does your subscription policy tie in with this statement on your website "It is the joint policy of both the UK Department for Transport and the police to make the locations of these cameras as well known as possible."?
As I said before, I wish you luck but I'm not impressed and will be seeking alternatives before "subscribing" to your site...

We've been a limited company for some time. When we started it was a hobby, but when it started requiring 30hrs a week each of input it outgrew that philosophy.
We're DPA registered, have PL insurance and have complied with all relevant legislation.
I wish you luck in your search.

griffog said:
We've been a limited company for some time. When we started it was a hobby, but when it started requiring 30hrs a week each of input it outgrew that philosophy.
We're DPA registered, have PL insurance and have complied with all relevant legislation.
I wish you luck in your search.
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I appreciate your prompt reply to my questions but you seem to have overlooked answering this point I made:
"BTW, how does your subscription policy tie in with this statement on your website "It is the joint policy of both the UK Department for Transport and the police to make the locations of these cameras as well known as possible."?"
In my search I found another company offering a camera database. They seem to differ from yourselves in that they have a team driving around the country verifying camera locations and also email subscribers whenever the database is updated. Their link is http://www.trafcam.com/database.htm. Are these things which you intend to do also? Or will you continue to rely on user contributions and produce only monthly database updates?
It might persuade people to subscribe if you give them reasons to do so, explain the benefits, and tell us exactly what has changed that now warrents a subscription.

I don't see how our having a subscription service affects that policy? Despite the stated aim of the UK DoT you will quickly find that they make it far from easy, if they did then we would not have a service worth using. All the other systems that have succeeded are subscription based.
We are already implementing a verification process and are preparing to offer live updates rather than monthly incremental ones. Our ability to map Mobile haunts far surpasses that of any other commercial database thanks to the huge number of users and we are now using a scoring system that allows trusted users to have their reports added more quickly than those that require verification.
Trafcam does not integrate fully with nav systems unlike ours and their PocketPC offering at £79 is rather more expensive than ours at £19. We also offer lifetime membership to the first member who reports a previously unrecorded fixed camera (subject to verification).
We additionally offer a utility that integrates with TomTom on PocketPC and GO units to capture locations easily and submit them for verification.

griffog said:
I don't see how our having a subscription service affects that policy?
We are already implementing a verification process and are preparing to offer live updates rather than monthly incremental ones.
Trafcam does not integrate fully with nav systems unlike ours and their PocketPC offering at £79 is rather more expensive than ours at £19. We also offer lifetime membership to the first member who reports a previously unrecorded fixed camera (subject to verification).
We additionally offer a utility that integrates with TomTom on PocketPC and GO units to capture locations easily and submit them for verification.
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All very good points. I'll address them below:
1. It removes a free source of information.
2. Surely the time to charge is AFTER you have implemented them?
3. Yes, more expensive but offering more NOW. Plus the charge is 49/yr after 1st year. £30 is for software (see below). Palm users pay less in the first year.
4. Trafcam does integrate with the mainstream satnav apps.
5. Trafcam software allows you to spot cameras even if not running navigation software such as tomtom.
6. The purpose of your utility is designed to your advantage.

JRH said:
1. It removes a free source of information.
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Clearly, I am not arguing that.
2. Surely the time to charge is AFTER you have implemented them?
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We are already implementing many, many more versions covering a multitude of nav systems is one.
3. Yes, more expensive but offering more NOW. Plus the charge is 49/yr after 1st year. £30 is for software (see below). Palm users pay less in the first year.
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How does it offer more, we have greater coverage and our system allows the cameras to overlay on the map, Trafcam uses a background app that opos up over the navigation system when an alert is triggered, that's not the optimum solution.
4. Trafcam does integrate with the mainstream satnav apps.
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Integrate no, works in conjunction with, yes.
5. Trafcam software allows you to spot cameras even if not running navigation software such as tomtom.
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Because it's an entirely separate app, the vast majority want the data displayed on the map so they can see where the hazard is so run the navigation all the time.
6. The purpose of your utility is designed to your advantage.
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Absolutely, but it makes the user experience better and if you spot a new canmera you can capture and report is far more easily and get the free sub as the reward.
If you prefer Trafcam then I'm glad you like it. I have no aspirations that we are the only solution available but for the majority of users ours is the better and the most popular by far.

At the moment i have no preference as I am still exploring alternatives. Trafcam was just one that came up on a search.
We could go on debating the pro's and con's of your offering for many posts to come, but I suspect with little to gain. I still maintain that you have brought in a charge very quickly, with no apparent improved benefits as yet, and that is not good for customers. I also think it would do wonders for your credibility with the public at large if you were to:
1. Remove the charge until such time as there are specific identifiable benefits.
2. Introduce a scheme of premium vs basic product charges.
3. Clearly promote what improvements are being made (or have, if that is the case).
4. Implement frequent database updates vs current monthly ones.
I'll leave it at that...

On the other side of the fence...
I have no problem at all paying £2 to PocketGPSWorld for their database. It's been the database of choice for many many months (years?) and if they need to start charging a nominal fee because of the overhead of providing it then that seems entirely justifiable to me.
JRH, if you want to spend at least double the price for the cheapest alternative then that's your prerogative. You can vote with your credit card and see how you get on.
I rarely download the DB myself -- my last update was about a year ago -- but if by contributing to the database I can earn a lifetime's free updates then I've got a financial incentive to help maintain the information. (I never have before.) If the quality of the database continues to improve because more people are contributing then we all win; the only decision we need to make is whether we contribute or pay.
Time will tell whether PGW have made the right or wrong decision for themselves, but I can't really see how any reasonable person can object to their plan. £2 is nothing these days. I'm surprised you're putting griffog under such pressure to justify himself, JRH!
PS. There's a list of db changes on the PGW homepage that were brought in with the new charging scheme. Do they not comprise 'specific identifiable benefits'?

I've used the data base while it was free and will continue to use it for the very modest £2 or £19 yearly not a problem. Just think if it saves you a speeding ticket then it's well worth it, not that you should be speeding anyway!

what other choice does google give us?

I bought a g1 last year. I rooted my phone. I fell in love with android and the great community behind it. I am an avid cyanogen mod user.
Google basically ripped out the great fun, learning experimence, and day to day usage i now have in android.
I know how this community feels about 'warez'. I know how this community feels about cyanogen and his contribution to not only us but an 'open source' environment to cell phones.
Well basically what i am getting to is that cyanogen may be legally wrong but what if a developer were to release roms behind closed doors? To torrents and newsgroups and not officially have a face behind said rom. If a developer were to do that, would xda support threads pretaining to that rom? Would all of us still download and love a rom like we do now? Or am i just wrong for getting to that?
If this thread is deleted i understand, but to me i will abandon android if it fails to prosper by the community like true open source software is intended.

Give it time, there are work arounds for ROM makers. Google distributes these applications freely, which means all ROM developers have to do is remove those apps from the ROMs, and give you an application which installs them.
The Android scene is not dead. This sucks, but we will get over it, even without Google's help.

*edit, gary beat me to it..this is in re: to the original post
your not reading before you type...
Google is pissed about him including certain components that were not official yet or closed source. We get over that, and we are back in business. Everyone is way over-reacting, just wait...they will get it figured out. He just cant legally be quite so cutting-edge anymore

I've hard talks of a script that will automatically DL the apps that aren't allowed, I hope that happens soon .

I understand work arounds and what not but do i not have the legal right to use googles closed source apps now that i bought my g1? It is like buying a new car from ford and then ford telling manufacturers of aftermarket products (like air filters or tires) they cant sell them because ford owns the patent to the left head light circuit and it in some legal sense interfers.
A new set of tires on my car is just as damn harmful as using a cyanogen made rom on my phone. I own the hardware, i should be able to do with it as i see fit. Cyanogen doesnt make his roms available to those who dont already own an android licensed product and doesnt do his work for profit that google doesnt see.
They have a legal right yes, but why excersize that legal right when only those who support you already (and if you download cm roms you will more then likely be a future supporter) will end up with the crap end of the stick.
All the crap recently with apple and google voice i have thought to myself that apple will be getting what they deserve by sure to come fines from the fcc. Now google punches us all in the stomache for supporting them and their alledged open source cause. None of us here, including cyanogen, did any actual wrong. If it plays out how it is apparent they want it, everyone loses.

~~Tito~~ said:
I've hard talks of a script that will automatically DL the apps that aren't allowed, I hope that happens soon .
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our could we just not back up and put theme proper place in the update zips?

rondey- said:
I understand work arounds and what not but do i not have the legal right to use googles closed source apps now that i bought my g1? It is like buying a new car from ford and then ford telling manufacturers of aftermarket products (like air filters or tires) they cant sell them because ford owns the patent to the left head light circuit and it in some legal sense interfers.
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Your analogy is flawed because software cannot be treated the same as tangible items. Anyway, the issue at hand is not your license to use Google's closed-source apps, it is the unauthorized distribution of these apps by "ROM" cooks.

It's more than just a few apps that are closed source, though; many of the fundamental pieces that allow the phones to function are proprietary, such as sync, the LED control, the radio control... Take it all out and you have a phone that can't phone.

danguyf said:
It's more than just a few apps that are closed source, though; many of the fundamental pieces that allow the phones to function are proprietary, such as sync, the LED control, the radio control... Take it all out and you have a phone that can't phone.
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You really need to listen to the previous post. Anything that is required for our phones to run is not at question. Mod and distribute away. Led control , radio control, is not at question.
"That’s why we developed Android apps for many of our services like YouTube, Gmail, Google Voice, and so on. These apps are Google’s way of benefiting from Android in the same way that any other developer can, but the apps are not part of the Android platform itself. We make some of these apps available to users of any Android-powered device via Android Market, and others are pre-installed on some phones through business deals. Either way, these apps aren’t open source, and that’s why they aren’t included in the Android source code repository. Unauthorized distribution of this software harms us just like it would any other business, even if it’s done with the best of intentions."
Its the apps that are in question, not the underlying drivers, api's, libraries. So please and anyone else let's not overreact. Lets try to each help find a way to make this a non issue.

Johnny Blaze said:
You really need to listen to the previous post. Anything that is required for our phones to run is not at question. Mod and distribute away. Led control , radio control, is not at question.
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Actually, LED, radio, SPL... that's all HTC's property. Even the leaked NBH files that allowed this scene to flourish solely belong to HTC.
So although Google's decision does not affect them, they still fall under the same category of "oh crap...".

This is bad news. The phone is essentially useless without the Gmail app (for sign-in on initial boot as well as contact sync) and Android Market (for downloading any apps). Then take Google Maps out of the picture, and may as well throw the phone out and get an iPhone. At a minimum, this means the days of custom ROMs are over.

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This is bad news. The phone is essentially useless without the Gmail app (for sign-in on initial boot as well as contact sync) and Android Market (for downloading any apps). Then take Google Maps out of the picture, and may as well throw the phone out and get an iPhone. At a minimum, this means the days of custom ROMs are over.
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This is actually not true at all. The Gmail app is something that is currently being worked on. Google maps isn't that great (but it's available in the market) Like it's been said, give it time. This is just a hiccup that we'll all get over. Soon.

RueTheDay said:
This is bad news. The phone is essentially useless without the Gmail app (for sign-in on initial boot as well as contact sync) and Android Market (for downloading any apps). Then take Google Maps out of the picture, and may as well throw the phone out and get an iPhone. At a minimum, this means the days of custom ROMs are over.
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Your hyperbole not only singles you out as an ignorant fool, it also highlights the fact you have no idea where the true innovations in Android are. It is not having native GMail or Youtube clients (which are nice), it is in things like dalvik and the ipc framework. These are pieces of code that do not have anything to do with whether Google apps are present or not on the phone (or if it even is a phone).

People stealing free software and trying to profit

I usually look the other way when I see posts on craigslist wanting to root/jailbreak your phone for a fee, but the below post just kills me.
He is selling a 8gb mSD card with Honeycomb for the nook color for $80!! That's pretty much a 400% profit all thanks to the fine people here.
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ele/2258357972.html

That's very bad... :/

Dade county hustlaaaa
Ima jump on the train
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BreakTheLaw said:
Dade county hustlaaaa
Ima jump on the train
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What you said? I can't understand a word from this

nathanpc said:
What you said? I can't understand a word from this
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Lol
Dade county = Miami, florida
Hustla = hustler
For real?
The guy is smart, im thinking of doing the same. Why the **** not.
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I want to say before jumping on the trash the man band wagon, this is exactly the kind of thing that has kept opensource alive. I suggest reading the cathedral and the bazaar. This is no different then redhat repackaging linux, or cononical repackaging debian. There are many people almost incapable of using dd to create a sdcard, have the time to read and research for hours how to make it work etc. A working bootable sdcard that doesn't void your warranty for 80/OBO? Seems like a decent deal for those who just want the latest without the work. Do you bad mouth the plumber who puts in a new toilet because he didn't create the toilet? How much do you pay for win7? do you assassinate bestbuy because they are selling it?

Umm to the above post it's still B.S you don't understand the law I think... He is charging people for software he didnt write nor does he own! That my friend is © infringement...Even if it is opensource it's not his to sell! Charging to root others phone is fine there is work involved in rooting some of these phones not all are one click root but charging for the software is a completely different story! Well I did a google search and it depends on whether the opensource as been copyrighted if it has then it's illegal if it hasnt then you can sell it all you want... Apparently opensource gives you the permission to change run and charge if repackaged... So he is right as much as it's ethically wrong!

again, you are free to charge for opensource, read the licence as well as the book i mentioned.

This is no different than best buy installing windows for you, and then charging for the service of doing so. he's not selling the software, he's selling the service of getting it working and the hardware (SDcard) involved.
Some people either cannot do it themselves for numerous reasons, or just don't want to mess with it.

If you were to actually to take the time and read eric raymonds book, you would know that money is not made on the software, its not free beer its free to do with it as you want, money is made in the opensource world by providing services.
http://catb.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/
you will notice this was first presented in 1997 as is a fundamental foundation in opensource as a basis for economic viability. by your very primiss that money cant be made off opensource software, then no business can run linux servers as they are making money off of the work of others.
There is nothing you can show me in GPL that says you cant sell the software, infact what it says is, you must provide the sourcecode if requested, which you can even charge for but you cannot dictate what one does with the code once they take possession of it as long as credit is given for the work.
I really suggest knowing more then 20 mins of web browsing wiki's before condemning ones method of taking advantage of the opensource community
If it wasn't for the ability to use opensource in an effort to make money, redhat, ubuntu, google, htc would not exist. Turn in your android phone as the manufacturer is stealing the code and selling it to you.

To make things easy, here are the first few lines from GPL3
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 3, 29 June 2007
Copyright © 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. <http://fsf.org/>
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.
Preamble
The GNU General Public License is a free, copyleft license for software and other kinds of works.
The licenses for most software and other practical works are designed to take away your freedom to share and change the works. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users. We, the Free Software Foundation, use the GNU General Public License for most of our software; it applies also to any other work released this way by its authors. You can apply it to your programs, too.
When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

BreakTheLaw said:
Lol
Dade county = Miami, florida
Hustla = hustler
For real?
The guy is smart, im thinking of doing the same. Why the **** not.
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SO should I say I want it then beat him with a bat when I meet him?

I wouldn't say that in the state of florida!
I don't see a problem. I see a potential of all future mods becoming viable sources of income for a select few hard working, talented individuals who deserve kick back for the fruits of their labor.
Jealousy and envy paint an ugly picture of the person on the other side.
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If SDCard man made you mad, this should make your head expload
saw this ad on facebook
http://unlockedereaders.com/
Rooted Nook Color w/ 8GB MicroSD
Rooted Nook Color w/ 8GB MicroSD
This is a BRAND new Nook Color. It has only been removed from the packaging long enough to root the device and replace it back in the packaging. This Nook comes rooted with the ability to choose between Android 2.2 Froyo and 2.3 Honeycomb operating systems. When you receive the item, it will be rooted running the stock Nook operating system. From here you may access the App Market and download whatever you wish, while still maintaining your existing Nook functionality, look, and feel. Should you want to run another operating system, all you have to do is open the preinstalled RomManager app and restore to one of the operating system images included with the device.
This comes with an 8 GB Class 6 A-Data microSD card. This card comes with backup images of Froyo, Honeycomb, and stock image for you to switch between with RomManager at your choosing. Also provides extra storage for your device. Nook will be shipped in factory packaging with FREE Priority Mail 2-3 day shipping!
Price: $ 450.00

A site actually in the open doing the same thing but charging such an exorbitant price all for a sdcard.
@NuroSlam Unofficial Android builds for the Nook are NOT under the GPL, they may contain GPL'd components, but the full software is not under the GPL. Canonical HAS permission to redistribute what Debian parts they do use in Ubuntu.
Best Buy is a retail store and they are in the direct distribution channel for Microsoft product. They provide a legal service for people unable to install the operating system they bought legally. I do not even run Windows so the price doesn't bother me, their OS monopolization does though which is a whole other discussion.

evilkorn said:
A site actually in the open doing the same thing but charging such an exorbitant price all for a sdcard.
@NuroSlam Unofficial Android builds for the Nook are NOT under the GPL, they may contain GPL'd components, but the full software is not under the GPL. Canonical HAS permission to redistribute what Debian parts they do use in Ubuntu.
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True android itself falls under the apache software licence, again there is no mention of not selling a service using the product.
"4. Redistribution. You may reproduce and distribute copies of the Work or Derivative Works thereof in any medium, with or without modifications, and in Source or Object form, provided that You meet the following conditions:"
"The result is a license that is supposed to be compatible with other open source licenses, while remaining true to the original goals of the Apache Group and supportive of collaborative development across both nonprofit and commercial organizations. The Apache Software Foundation is still trying to determine if this version of the Apache License is compatible with the GPL."
and from the FAQ
"Describing legal documents in non-legalese is fraught with potential for misinterpretation. Notwithstanding the text that follows, the actual text of the license itself is legally binding and authoritative.
That said, here's what the Apache license says in layman's terms:
It allows you to:
* freely download and use Apache software, in whole or in part, for personal, company internal, or commercial purposes;
* use Apache software in packages or distributions that you create.
It forbids you to:
* redistribute any piece of Apache-originated software without proper attribution;
* use any marks owned by The Apache Software Foundation in any way that might state or imply that the Foundation endorses your distribution;
* use any marks owned by The Apache Software Foundation in any way that might state or imply that you created the Apache software in question."
Best Buy is a retail store and they are in the direct distribution channel for Microsoft product. They provide a legal service for people unable to install the operating system they bought legally. I do not even run Windows so the price doesn't bother me, their OS monopolization does though which is a whole other discussion.
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Porting S Voice to other device. Is this Illegal??

I have been a fan of XDA and appreciate the development and support the devs provide. But last few days a thought is bugging me continuously. We saw a lot of posts about S Voice and other apps being ported to other devices. Specially for S Voice, I believe that it's illegal as this could potentially cause Samsung to lose sales. My views:
1] We know that this is re-designed vlingo. vlingo is available in market, S Voice is NOT. Clear indication that they (as in Samsung) don't want the app to be used with other devices and they are not willing to sell it separately. Using vlingo from market is NOT same as using S Voice.
2] Did Samsung give us the permission to use/modify and distribute the app?
3] There is some infrastructure costs associated with running the services. It costs money to install and maintain servers and network. I work in enterprise storage management, so I am aware of costs associated with such massive infrastructure. Who pays for the non-SGS3 devices using the services?
4] Did Samsung every promise that SGS2/Nexus or other phones will get S Voice? So, why should we assume that other Samsung-device owners have the divine right to use a feature meant for SGS3?
5] It is one of the main USP for SGS3. Check here. This is listed as the top-most feature in the SGS3 product page. Hacking this app to be used with other phones is going to harm the phone sale. Is that not clear enough?
6] When Samsung started blocking connections from other devices - was that not an indication that they want the service exclusive for SGS3?
7] How is this different from movie piracy? The uploader never gains anything, but the studios/producers lose money.
8] What if Samsung starts locking their device in future with locked bootloaders/DRM/encryption because of such activities? Can we then blame Samsung for locking the devices?
9] Android is open source - but why assume that every feature in any Android is also open source? If someone can show me that S Voice is open source software, I will retract my statement.
It's sad that most people here equate freedom with piracy. Freedom and piracy are not same thing. Such act in the name of open source and community-feeling does not make it right. Maybe Samsung won't do anything about it -- but it does NOT make this act any better. It will just prove that Samsung considers this to be a petty nuisance (I am not using the word crime as I know nobody is doing this for any monetary gain).
Though I support open initiative with regards to Android, but I can't support such act.
Last check this statement from Samsung in VERGE
An initial test version of S Voice which was found online has been blocked as Samsung Electronics does not want consumers to judge the quality of the voice feature based on a test version. When the product is launched, users of GALAXY S III will be able to fully experience S Voice.

Exactly my thoughts. Though I am not sure what can be done to stop it.
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rd_nest said:
I have been a fan of XDA and appreciate the development and support the devs provide. But last few days a thought is bugging me continuously. We saw a lot of posts about S Voice and other apps being ported to other devices. Specially for S Voice, I believe that it's illegal as this could potentially cause Samsung to lose sales. My views:
1] We know that this is re-designed vlingo. vlingo is available in market, S Voice is NOT. Clear indication that they (as in Samsung) don't want the app to be used with other devices and they are not willing to sell it separately. Using vlingo from market is NOT same as using S Voice.
2] Did Samsung give us the permission to use/modify and distribute the app?
3] There is some infrastructure costs associated with running the services. It costs money to install and maintain servers and network. I work in enterprise storage management, so I am aware of costs associated with such massive infrastructure. Who pays for the non-SGS3 devices using the services?
4] Did Samsung every promise that SGS2/Nexus or other phones will get S Voice? So, why should we assume that other Samsung-device owners have the divine right to use a feature meant for SGS3?
5] It is one of the main USP for SGS3. Check here. This is listed as the top-most feature in the SGS3 product page. Hacking this app to be used with other phones is going to harm the phone sale. Is that not clear enough?
6] When Samsung started blocking connections from other devices - was that not an indication that they want the service exclusive for SGS3?
7] How is this different from movie piracy? The uploader never gains anything, but the studios/producers lose money.
8] What if Samsung starts locking their device in future with locked bootloaders/DRM/encryption because of such activities? Can we then blame Samsung for locking the devices?
9] Android is open source - but why assume that every feature in any Android is also open source? If someone can show me that S Voice is open source software, I will retract my statement.
It's sad that most people here equate freedom with piracy. Freedom and piracy are not same thing. Such act in the name of open source and community-feeling does not make it right. Maybe Samsung won't do anything about it -- but it does NOT make this act any better. It will just prove that Samsung considers this to be a petty nuisance (I am not using the word crime as I know nobody is doing this for any monetary gain).
Though I support open initiative with regards to Android, but I can't support such act.
Last check this statement from Samsung in VERGE
An initial test version of S Voice which was found online has been blocked as Samsung Electronics does not want consumers to judge the quality of the voice feature based on a test version. When the product is launched, users of GALAXY S III will be able to fully experience S Voice.
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Samsung will have known about this,
If they explicitly didnt want it to be shared with other android phones they could have prevented this easy in one of 2 ways,
1. integrate it into touchwiz framework
2. link the phones imei or unique identifier to the app and set up a database on the servers, similar to siri's protection.
Samsung wanted this app to be freely available as they have done nothing to protect its redistribution. I dont think they mind this because they have NO competitor in the Android market and are far superior to any other OEM that produces android phones.
PS. The Android OS is open source but there are many applications that have closed source to protect their business. Touchwiz source is never fully open sourced and neither is Sense.
I remember a year ago with the CM team asking for help from Samsung for little bits of protected code to get the camera fully functioning on the stock android rom (CM7 ROM).
JD

JupiterdroidXDA said:
Samsung will have known about this,
If they explicitly didnt want it to be shared with other android phones they could have prevented this easy in one of 2 ways,
1. integrate it into touchwiz framework
2. link the phones imei or unique identifier to the app and set up a database on the servers, similar to siri's protection.
Samsung wanted this app to be freely available as they have done nothing to protect its redistribution. I dont think they mind this because they have NO competitor in the Android market and are far superior to any other OEM that produces android phones.
PS. The Android OS is open source but there are many applications that have closed source to protect their business. Touchwiz source is never fully open sourced and neither is Sense.
I remember a year ago with the CM team asking for help from Samsung for little bits of protected code to get the camera fully functioning on the stock android rom (CM7 ROM).
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My view is that we took the application and made it compatible with other devices, Samsung never explicitly gave the permission.
Maybe they thought it would be easier to upgrade the app if it's not integrated into the TW. But I fear such activity may force them to become less dev-friendly in future.
It's a different story if in future they make the code available for CM9 or other projects separately. I just hope not, but the way it's being spread over the internet, I fear they will react in some way. Also throws a bad light over XDA.

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They obviously didn't want it to be freely available because they have blocked it now.
Anyway, I don't get this mentality that if something is not impossible to take, it's ok to take it.

I will ask about the validity of ripping/porting the samsung apps and post back to this thread. If there is anything illegal about it (and im not sure there is unless the apps have been licensed specifically to the Galaxy S3) then any links on xda will be taken down.
I cant do anything about the rest of the internet though lol.
Mark.

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I will ask about the validity of ripping/porting the samsung apps and post back to this thread. If there is anything illegal about it (and im not sure there is unless the apps have been licensed specifically to the Galaxy S3) then any links on xda will be taken down.
I cant do anything about the rest of the internet though lol.
Mark.
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Much appreciated. I wanted this to be brought to the notice of MODs. Nobody wants XDA to be in bad light for such a petty affair.
As for the apps (specially S Voice) being exclusive to SGS3, I think so. That's what I infer from Samsung's statement in Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/22/3037943/samsung-blocking-s-voice-app-leak
But please do verify with relevant authorities and take appropriate actions (if required).

Mac OS X doesn't require a product key, but that doesn't mean my friend can just use my installation DVD legally, it all depends on the T&C's
The fact Samsung have blocked it for other devices should give an indication of their decision towards people using this software on another device. They may not send the FBI to kick down your door and arrest you, but cracking it to spoof a SGSIII for example would probably get a DMCA take-down notice pretty quickly. They almost certainly won't want all and sundry freely enjoying one of the big features of their new flagship device.

I have e-mailed Samsung PR dept on their views about this issue. Not sure if they check their Inbox

Unless we hear otherwise from Samsung, we will follow the normal site policy. In this case (though it is an edge case) for the moment we're allowing it.

If this is the case, then all devs who port roms from other models are in breach also.
Is this thread trying to stop dev work, and has the OP loaded the program, if he has shame on him for going against his beliefs, now let us and the devs get on with it.:what:
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Edit: phone model is Arc, now why did I change the prop build?

OP - Care to share how this is any different from all of the Sense ports to other devices? It's not.
I also like how you thanked Mark for checking into this - and that you were waiting to hear.... And then not even an hour later you go and contact Samsung PR? It sounds to me like you have an ax to grind.

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DISCUSSION [hybridROM_MOTOfied] MoTo-nomous v0.1.0 preALPHA, stabile as RC!)

Mods: please, this is a temporary post pending moderator elevated privelege to start forking my build via proper Android Development Section, everything I post is valid and true. No mock ups. Please, do not delete this thread. It is purely education and informational pre-release details to explain down to details most but not all details, as a developer i dont just release security structure or anything deemed sensitive.
A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. De-Androidinzation and bulding, slipstream and super-enhancing, raising Linux core from the dead to Linux-based and minimally VM until the day comes where I can project it out to substitute it with a replacement, only as good or better performance but not cross-coding as mobility has been so confined to since the start.
Introduction: to a very genetic-autonomous and not even a contender of its class to match it
Hello Fellow co-developers. I am anything but new around here, and I've grown frustrated and impatient trying to revive my XDA credentials I've had auto saved for years and yeasrs. Please, if you find interest in what you see following A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. this notification, message moderators or seek to at very least a head-start as I cannot even start a thread in the appA PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. ropriate section, due to having to create an account. I've come to a sheer intolerable irritating boredom with Android, and the fact that well, Google and relative developers, and/or mainline toolchain dev's are well, diddling and we see an entire circus from Donut to Lollipop, then when they rollover on 6, and only then...and with nothing that is cheap to meet the proper standard for the hardware it takes to not back-grade your hardware and Android base version 1.6 (DOH'NUT). Yes, such non-sense as SDcard support when the damn things are ready to evolve into the next format. Don't get me, wrong, I'm glad it made the changelog, but still a mock-up and in a developers eyes so much more could have or should be incremented to a more attainable adjustment and even features. But, this post is not about Google, Android, and a lousy slipstreamed Apps2SD knockoff repurposed as adoped storage. I've always tested roms, tweaked, modified and until I found performance, stability, and can go 2 weeks without losing 40 hours of dedication getting it where she needs to be, I started porting per-say, drawing back the resource-loving java base they use in every phone regardless the base, or OS....but I have yet to see anyone shoot for the Linux-Cabal. A tip-the-scale fork of Android where rolling release and as come the updates increment, so shall the independance of too in the Android cocktail for my liking.
Let's just put it out there, I've been stabilizing and unifying a custom build (at this point for Moto ARM), and yes I know waht I am saying but to title it a ROM A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. would be mislabelling and a blow to what I think the OS deserves. More Linux backbone, compiled and debugged to hell and back step by step. I don't have any plan...YET to play god and cut out any serious concept such as framework, VM, but I have a goal, and a very vast plan drafted for the next quarter. I know any Linux Penguin-Dorks, and developers who know their cards and where I'd bet my bytes in any arena vs most other Os's.
History and Pre-requisuite (in order to enter and initialize a new fork officially, and establish a support system consisting of credible, daily-active and feedback producing beta-testers as well as the system and policies they will adhere to throughout initial first phase. This is not another AOSP or clone of source and hidden bugs you have to come to discover the hard way. I am offering only until another phase anyway, to primarily and MotoG3 ONLY, device dependent. push, shove and patch my tamper-resistant modules will enforce any interopibility. Remeber these are encrypted with MULTI-LAYER mutli-bit and a subset of different combination encryption algorithms and not APK, were weaning that dependence slowly but eventually here. Modules, system core hard up and real time individiual file encryption layering system. Safe from FBI and NSA and Israeli counter-parts. Included but not enforced are optional ability of IPC (Tor-lke) supreme sms, voice chat, and push to talk functionality, and among per file on top entre data drive encrypto....comms will be dual-end encrypted, obviously all of which can be enabled/disabled, configured and tweaked to ones preference.
Until I have proper authority and have enough resonsibility good-boy credits, there will be nothing. And I mean no beta program, no releases, no source code except I will move along to the next accepting Android community, which is my last thought and not at all in my interests. I am a developer 16 years, on a broad number of languages, on many arch's, from pascal, html, basic to visual basic, c, c++ C#, java, to ASM (yes Im old school, an I only dispense above and beyond what I would set as a mile stone.). All my projects in the past, creating the very first OpenGL wrapper, and utilizing a direct-injection loader that was always available in HL.exe. Primarily for Counter-Strike, as Valve global banned any cdkeys and steam accounts associated with at first any Alias nearing the format of my preferred handle. As they rolled out VAC for the first time, I watched every (neraly) system hook based all in one hacks go down as KIA-dead soldiers, while my opengl-wrapper emulated the driver, allowing my to get raw data to maipulate, block, pass-trough to the real-deal OGL.dll. My OpenGL in suspended development and without requirement to play tag with steam and losing 100 purchases of Counter-strike making a VAC-undetected, play for a day or 2 then POOF. Another good key gone up on Joolz, like his sorely lost system hook as it was spitting calls to the Windows API, the HL api, and just many easily noticed flags that his only circumventing was heading on VAC module manipulation, playing with memory in process, unloading and this damn module was live, as in every server change a slipstreamed update could be pushed and suddenly the VAC process, and all the memory offsets surgically and delicately rendered harmless. Too much working hard than the efficient smart ways I came up on. Why try and reinvent the wheel when you know the wheel is superior to date. Kid wasted his entire adolescents, and his family savings trying to serve up something that guarenteed, yes you will be the best hacker online, yes you will be detected by the end of the weekend, and the advantages well, there were none except a trial what hacking a system hook was like. As for my opengl, well at first for Valve, they did their thing wiping out the hundreds of hacks but only 1 or 2 who had stood any sort of equality to the efficacy, stability, virtual impossibilty to detect as I took a native function very seldom known and not documented, and even those who did, none had the brains to probe and go from a function with no instruction or info to the process and how to invoke and follow it through. I didn't reinvent the wheLet's just put it out there, el, but I gave it redbull-wings, titanium belts, nitrogen, and embedded withtin the system from which VAC also called home and well, all its code and dependent libraries, modules and api calls gatehered and had conferences and played golf. VAC could not for years, learn how to attack itself, and this was a fluke at first. Next I started to get out the matches, fire playin time....and i love to push buttons see where or how far i can get.
LONG story short, my very first C++ project, very atypically, was a win32 video card gfx driver, and wrapper and then put Joolz down deep, I was able to hybridize a opengl driver to bear code of no relation at all, not even close whatsoever, and without trying to break and enter a bank and crack a safe while risking setting off an alarm just to steal a 20$ bill. Get what I mean, this was at the age 0f 13. Lost my E-DEV virginity and any dev working in a windows environent, on win 98 knows that for a first project, you don't just self-teach yourself to code then start squatting and pushing out dynamic link libraries like they are ever coded to spec in MS eyes, and its just not a novice coder challenge. The following project, most of your in FTA satellite likely have heard of the latest of a technology innovated on my part and consult with few others on my FTAbins team. Also the author of the handbook aka the bible to the absolute and very well drafted, and at its time prior to increases vastly in bandwidth, it was predecessor and stepping stone for entry to IPTV. Yes Nagra2 was never cracked, it was actually a breach of trade secrets and confidential patented technology on the behalf of a disgruntled and underpaid dev who was a team lead on the the maiden of its release. For the unaware. Nagra2 is the security protecol and encryption system designed to scramble satellite television signals, as far as from my involvement only Dish Network as far as satellite, but also used and more so in europe, australia, uk and asia, on cable boxes (digital) usually those whom took input to your subscription via smart card.
But they double-time develloped and debted themselves over a exploited draft (N2) that really didnt secure a damn thing, only was a deterrant but always 24 hours behind every key roll. NKS is the patented tech, as nagra3 was exponetially much more secure and utilized 5 times the bit depth for each key, and rolled on predefined and update at randomly subscriber only pushed updates. Virtually impossible to crack, but with the aid of more advanced on completely different architechture and embedded firmware nontheless, i wasn't that intelligent i suddenly could learn 5 more instruction sets from x86. But with very little effort, and suceeding with no difficult to overcome blowbacks. Developing not an exploit, but a shadow, if you cant beat em. Join em. and that we did, nothing troubled DN ecm dev's more than trying to circumvent a system that utilized subscriber keys, and encrypted, offshored and live-streamed direct in millseconds behind a authentic event trigger, key roll or key changes and ecm's. ecm's become counter-effective when those you target are identical to your nonIKS subscribers
Thats just some history shared on 2, early on, but also serous and major accomplishments to certify and add credibility to what I claim to do and if doing this at 13 and 15 respectively, both drawing hundreds of thouseands to hundreds of millions from each of 2 entirely different classification corporations. But a thorn in both eyes while dancing circles around them, not even hitting puberty are 2 that only opened channels to knowledge, and expanding my IQ in area's and subjects I would never have thought prior,
I am not ready and urgently tryinHistory and Pre-requisuite g to put something out not prepared to dump unassessed to public, but in context I only initially had prospects of private membership availability and even that I have not authorized either. I am running an XT1540, but kicked alot of Moto framework, slipstreamed Sony framework minus the headache inducing svox, and bits and pieces of certain framework manipulation, but only in areas of absolute necessity.
Minus the not-well supported termux app and api, my build is just as extensive, with a integrated system bin directory containing apt, dpkg, a indirect but priveleged api bridge to all things android and its framework. Wifi-N enabled, 2.4ghz and 5ghz on one that only natively ever offered 2.4 G. Also, some off the books properties, I've been able to extend and further dominate the radio and modem accessibility, more specifically on UMTS/AWS bandf here in Canada on WIND. Now alot is new but I've yet to encounter very many warnings let alone any real conflicts or stability or performance setbacks. CPU is unlocked, can be volted and clocked as well as GPU, and although schedulers are there, much needs my expertise and some fine tuning before I'd even open my mind to considering it in control of fatality-potential software on another persons device.
Now, with apt and a 3 more repos than termux can match. Many would give their left nut just to have even 1/4 of the full capability (and i mean capability of all thats fully stable and operational to perfection as of right now). I had to nearly wrestle my device from a buddy of mines hands, and very promptly vacate his residence as he was dying to just get a particular build of metasploit not freely available to public, and on that part metasploit is integrated discreetly but as building block and one of many that basis the security infrastructure I am still actively forking. Stringray-safe, no prying eyes or cloning cell towers to snoop through anything private.
Currently my personal attention has me fired up towards recompiling Pale Moon custom build, and likely a entirely new browser with FF initial base but this fork of Palemoon is gecko oriented and Android API elevated privelege, it has features that even addons of chrome have yet to scratch. Capable out of the box as a IPC/Tor private browser or entire device firewalled, Tor/IPC and crypto down to the teeth. I have my own fork of recent builds of Adobe flash module, and stagefright is a secured as well. All exploitable lose ends are presently beyond par, as Android hasnt even come to that extent yet.
Anyways, I wrote this just thinking of some of my favourite features. I'll tally a list and re-post this alll in a better edited and spell-checked draft. Yes, i will post screenshots, but ONLY on request. If i have to screenshot otherwise we would all be loading alot of png files needlessly.
Xposed & MOD EDIT: warez reference removed & 3C Pro potential unified hybrid of sorts in consideration too. Pending confirmation. Also, I've been fortunate to be in possession of a Perfect-ADB i nicknamed it as it is a custom build with everything it should have plus some, and finally for right now....TWRP just makes me angry how we have 2 dozen random versions available but each has its own catch, the newer the worse it is it seems. this is unacceptable. too many builds, too many cooks in the kitchen, and off the primary source obviously. like a cocktail of suicide soda. just add 10 flavours, flash it, if it boots slap latest and DISTRIBUTE! unacceptable, this is a development resource credible well established website and name, sigh, but one thing at a time.
i will be remaining on my lonesome adding, pulling and testing my flavours and shiny sparkles with neon colors until the day i can start my devdb. and the day i do that i will immediately open up to members. with consideration of development and vetted testers prior to extensive durability and relibility testing..
Til then, mkocmut1986 @ gmail.com should you require contact.
or PM me. I got my hands full, and im but one dev as you can tell and constantly 100 new innovations to add.

Can you tell this story in short in noob language Not everyone is a developer here.

Sorry @mkocmut That was so long I skipped it... How about a tl;dr version?

@mkocmut: Well I read all the parts, all the history but one question: what was the purpose of writing all this?? BTW, great writing, enjoyed it. And yeah, I would appreciate a few screenshots if you can bother uploading some png files here, thanks.[emoji1] .
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You're a passionate fella, I'll give you that much. Heheh, strangely enough, your post kinda made my day. (-:

A wouldn't mind u posting a link to ur beta port??

mkocmut said:
Introduction: to a very genetic-autonomous and not even a contender of its class to match it
Hello Fellow co-developers. I am anything but new around here, and I've grown frustrated and impatient trying to revive my XDA credentials I've had auto saved for years and yeasrs.
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Would be interesting if you at least tell us what's your old username.
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Modules, system core hard up and real time individiual file encryption layering system. Safe from FBI and NSA and Israeli counter-parts.
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You totally forgot about the KGB...

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Wow! The room is spinning after reading all of that! It's left me with a feeling of huh? But either way I am almost certain that you are very passionate in all the above and I'm cool with that. So preach on brotha!

Good luck man. @mods : if someone quotes the whole OP, burn him!

sounds cool to unlock the cpu + gpu hope all your plans will be made possible

HelpMeruth said:
sounds cool to unlock the cpu + gpu hope all your plans will be made possible
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How u getting on dev?

Any updates?
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Would be interesting if you at least tell us what's your old username.
You totally forgot about the KGB...
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Late reply, but the KGB has been gone since the last millennium
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Worried about Israeli intelligence? If you're not involved in terrorism, you'll be fine, and if you are, then I'd want the Mossad to have your info.

Sounds more like drunken late night ramble than anything else. Especially since there hasn't been a peep out of him since.
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Sounds more like drunken late night ramble than anything else. Especially since there hasn't been a peep out of him since.
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We can still hope that this will ever be released right?

Sure, why not? Keep the dream alive.
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Hey, Whats up? :laugh: