so picture it you're using the tablet for video or music running from a memory stick via OTG and you want to be able to power/charge the device at the same time without having to remove the pen drive is there any way of achieving this?
some kind of pass through device perhaps or a usb hub of sorts?
How to power with usb-otg
I can't confirm whether this will work for the Nexus 7 but it has worked on my Triumph and Photon 4G. Go to meritline.com and look for a Pisen® Multi Purpose USB Hub, White (sorry can't post links yet.) Plug your otg into the white port and the red into any available usb power supply (be it a laptop or charger) you may want to have an extension available depending on your set-up. For me this has provided power to keep device charged as well as interface thumb drives, card readers, etc, has even powered a bus-powered external hdd with no problems.
I bought a 32gb SanDisk Cruzer Fit to store my music library on, and it worked initially with USBOTG and stickmount. However, it no longer works with Nexus 7, all other memory sticks are fine, and the SanDisk works on my PC, but not the Nexus 7. Anyway, I plugged it into a USB hub and it works again, but only through the USB hub. Anyone else noticed this kind of behavior? I'm guessing it's related to power draw, as the hub is mains powered, but I'm surprised it can't cope with a flash drive. I'm now wondering whether to buy another device, or whether the same thing will happen.
I had the something similar and a reboot fixed the issue for me. I tried plugging in my 250GB WD Passport but I guess there wasn't enough power for the external drive because it kinda just sat and clicked. I then tried plugging in my 16GB thumb drive that I know worked the day before but now matter what I did, I could not get it to mount through StickMount. I rebooted the Nexus7 and I was then able to use my thumb drive again. Not exactly the same but try a reboot if you haven't already.
I also have that problem with my Buffalo USB hard drive, where it sits and clicks, it's OK via the hub, but not direct. A reboot doesn't make any difference. I'm wondering if it's my USBOTG cable, as that's the only variable, I have read that others have got the SanDisk 32gb to work with the Nexus 7. I'll try another cable...
Got my new USBOTG cable, and the Sandisk 32gb now works. My external HDD still doesn't work (unless plugged into hub), but that's not too surprising. The new cable is this:-
Afunta(tm) USB 2.0 A Female to Micro B Male Adapter Cable (search on amazon.co.uk)
The old one works with most of my USB sticks, but is maybe not as solid in terms of build quality, as the new one is much tighter. The old cable is this:-
Brand New Micro USB Host Mode OTG Cable Flash Drive SD T-Flash Card Adapter FOR Samsung GT-i9100 i9100 Galaxy S II 2 GT-N7000 Galaxy Note (search on amazon.co.uk)
Hi,
Is it possible to mount an 2.5" HDD without an external power source?
I would like to buy an Western Digital HD Elements SE 1TB 2.5 USB 3.0 but I do not know whether it is working with my Nexus 7 or not...
A usb stick (with an usb OTG) is working but a real hdd needs a lot more power.
And a self powered hdd (with wifi) is not an solution for me.
Thanks in advance!
Xdii said:
Hi,
Is it possible to mount an 2.5" HDD without an external power source?
I would like to buy an Western Digital HD Elements SE 1TB 2.5 USB 3.0 but I do not know whether it is working with my Nexus 7 or not...
A usb stick (with an usb OTG) is working but a real hdd needs a lot more power.
And a self powered hdd (with wifi) is not an solution for me.
Thanks in advance!
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It depends. I had to splice 5 volts of power into the usb cable of my older usb 2.0 ext hdd to get it to spin up and mount, but some others I know say they dont need ext power on their newer usb 3.0 ext hdds. But, I dont know if it is all usb 3.0 drives.
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I have wd element 1TB usb 3 and it's work good with me nexus 7, while my old 180gb seagate cannot be mounted, it's led only light up for 3 second then just died.
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Let's say, I buy a 2.5" hdd without external power source but I have no luck and it can't be mounted (not enough power). Is it possible to somehow plugin an external power source, so the hdd can spin up and mount?
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I have wd element 1TB usb 3 and it's work good with me nexus 7 [...]
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That means, a usb OTG is wokring fine with usb 3.0? Usb 3.0 is compatible with usb 2.0, but I was a bit concerned that the usb 3.0 to usb 2.0 to micro usb 2.0 combination may cause problems.
I know I'm reviving a thread a bit here, but I have a WD Elements USB3 1TB drive and an OTG cable.
When I first got the drive and cable, it all mounted and worked great. It wasn't until I hooked it up to a PC for the first time to transfer stuff to it that I started getting issues.
Now, I can use it with the PC no worries, but it won't mount on my N7. It'll sometimes flash up that there's something, but then nothing. Is the format wrong? Should I go with making it ext4 rather than NTFS?
Been hunting for more info on it, and will continue to do so, just hoping that someone else has come across this and has a fix or some idea on what's going on.
Thanks
My guess: The Nexus 7 has not enough power to spin up and mount the drive. You have to use an powered hub (e.g. Y-cable with external power source).
Can anybody test the Note 3 with a USB OTG cable and external hard drives?
If you are rooted and using the app "Stickmount" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.stickmount, one should be able to mount a FAT32 partition to their phone.
If you don't want to format your hard drive to FAT32, then using the app "Paragon exFAT, NTFS & HFS+" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.mounter would allow to mount another partition type.
It would be very interesting to find whether the Note 3 can provide enough power to external hard drives (portable hard drives with no included power supply) during the read and write processes.
Even though a USB 2.0 OTG cable is all that is available (to my knowledge), it would still be very useful to have the full 500mA available on the USB 2.0 portion of the Note 3 USB port.
Most smartphones have much less than 500mA on tap for the OTG connections.
I was able to connect a 500 mA (2.5" 5400 RPB SATA) from ADATA hard drive to the Note III!
Really unexpected. Connected the OTG connector first, then connected the drive to the female USB A port on the connector.
On my Note II it would try to spin up, squeal and spin down.
@Class said:
I was able to connect a 500 mA (2.5" 5400 RPB SATA) from ADATA hard drive to the Note III!
Really unexpected. Connected the OTG connector first, then connected the drive to the female USB A port on the connector.
On my Note II it would try to spin up, squeal and spin down.
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Awesome, good to hear. Have you tried large file writes and reads to and from the drive in order to see if it is able to complete a write operation? If it can handle writing a bunch of data without corruption, then it very well may have full 500mA output capability.
thanks for the report!
I was able to delete a file from a FAT32 formatted drive. No need to install anything extra. Even though there is a 4GB file size limit, FAT32 is unfortunately the only format everything can read without additional software.
Even windows can't read Ext3/4 without additional software - and the software isn't just click and install good to go.
@Class said:
I was able to delete a file from a FAT32 formatted drive. No need to install anything extra. Even though there is a 4GB file size limit, FAT32 is unfortunately the only format everything can read without additional software.
Even windows can't read Ext3/4 without additional software - and the software isn't just click and install good to go.
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Just wondering if anybody has any more info on the Note 3 output current? I hope it can power a Western Digital My Passport 2TB 3.0 as well as some DACs, such as the Musicstreamer II without providing insufficient power to those devices.
I went into a store and found that it will power a Western Digital 2tb my passport drive. It wouldn't read NTFS, so either root or exFAT may be required.
I confirm works well on my OTG usb 2.0 from S 2
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I've used a SONY GoogleTV (with Bluray) to play media files (mkv, avi, mp4, etc) through ViMu app. Two 128 GB thumb drives stayed connected to the USB ports in the back of the unit at all times for kids' movies, while I utilized the front USB port once in a while to connect a WD 1TB portable external HD to watch movies.
Now, we moved to FireTV and I’d like to carry over the same setup through XBMC and StickMount. Obviously, having only 1 USB port limits this. I tried connecting a USB hub (non-powered, “mobile”); although the thumb drive worked fine, the external HD wasn’t powered. Looks like I’ll need a powered USB hub to be able to connect what I listed above.
Is there a particular one that works better with the FireTV?
Can StickMount handle mounting 2-3 USB drives and an external hard drive simultaneously? When it's time to unmount the external HD, will I be able to pick that specifically or "unmount" will get rid of thumb drives as well?
Thanks!
tenderidol said:
I've used a SONY GoogleTV (with Bluray) to play media files (mkv, avi, mp4, etc) through ViMu app. Two 128 GB thumb drives stayed connected to the USB ports in the back of the unit at all times for kids' movies, while I utilized the front USB port once in a while to connect a WD 1TB portable external HD to watch movies.
Now, we moved to FireTV and I’d like to carry over the same setup through XBMC and StickMount. Obviously, having only 1 USB port limits this. I tried connecting a USB hub (non-powered, “mobile”); although the thumb drive worked fine, the external HD wasn’t powered. Looks like I’ll need a powered USB hub to be able to connect what I listed above.
Is there a particular one that works better with the FireTV?
Can StickMount handle mounting 2-3 USB drives and an external hard drive simultaneously? When it's time to unmount the external HD, will I be able to pick that specifically or "unmount" will get rid of thumb drives as well?
Thanks!
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i have bought a USB 3.0 mains powered hub (4 ports) so will let you know later how it goes with 3 portable 1TB HDDs attached.
DEREKTROTTER said:
i have bought a USB 3.0 mains powered hub (4 ports) so will let you know later how it goes with 3 portable 1TB HDDs attached.
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Thanks. Did it work?
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Thanks. Did it work?
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hi,
yes it is working perfectly.
here is what i bought: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131220799541
I have tested it with 3 HDD's attached
> 1TB portable (FAT32 formatted)
> 1TB portable (NTFS formatted)
> 2TB portable (NTFS formatted)
All plugged in at once and i could navigate them fully and play files. I tested a 7GB MKV on each and all played perfectly.
1 Downside:
The Amazon Fire TV fails to boot if the powered USB is plugged in on startup (hangs at amazon white logo)
I have heard someone else mention this also, would love a solution to this as they will then get mounted by stickmount automatically.
Currently got to boot without USB hub > connect hub > mount via stickmount.
Hope this helps
DEREKTROTTER said:
1 Downside:
The Amazon Fire TV fails to boot if the powered USB is plugged in on startup (hangs at amazon white logo)
I have heard someone else mention this also, would love a solution to this as they will then get mounted by stickmount automatically.
Currently got to boot without USB hub > connect hub > mount via stickmount.
Hope this helps
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I don't use stickmount ([url="http://www.jocala.com/adbfire.html]adbFire[/url] uses its own disk mounting solution), but my powered Dlink hub does not interfere with the FireTV boot up. That's with 3 drives attached.
DEREKTROTTER said:
hi,
yes it is working perfectly.
here is what i bought: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131220799541
I have tested it with 3 HDD's attached
> 1TB portable (FAT32 formatted)
> 1TB portable (NTFS formatted)
> 2TB portable (NTFS formatted)
All plugged in at once and i could navigate them fully and play files. I tested a 7GB MKV on each and all played perfectly.
1 Downside:
The Amazon Fire TV fails to boot if the powered USB is plugged in on startup (hangs at amazon white logo)
I have heard someone else mention this also, would love a solution to this as they will then get mounted by stickmount automatically.
Currently got to boot without USB hub > connect hub > mount via stickmount.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the update. I suspected it will do that. I have the same problem when I want to boot from a powered hub. I can boot from the ssd plugged in directly in the aftv usb port, but not via hub.
The problem is I cannot plug in any other usb device like a keyboard or mouse or even my usb receiver. It's a pity the aftv does not allow any other bluetooth keyboard or mouse connected to it.
Maybe one of the guys can look into it to get a drive to be booted from a powered usb hub
jocala said:
I don't use stickmount ([url="http://www.jocala.com/adbfire.html]adbFire[/url] uses its own disk mounting solution), but my powered Dlink hub does not interfere with the FireTV boot up. That's with 3 drives attached.
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can you link me to the hub you have? would like something i can keep plugged in and will boot up.
Also with the adbfire method, you still have to mount on every reboot with it right?
DEREKTROTTER said:
hi,
yes it is working perfectly.
here is what i bought: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131220799541
I have tested it with 3 HDD's attached
> 1TB portable (FAT32 formatted)
> 1TB portable (NTFS formatted)
> 2TB portable (NTFS formatted)
All plugged in at once and i could navigate them fully and play files. I tested a 7GB MKV on each and all played perfectly.
1 Downside:
The Amazon Fire TV fails to boot if the powered USB is plugged in on startup (hangs at amazon white logo)
I have heard someone else mention this also, would love a solution to this as they will then get mounted by stickmount automatically.
Currently got to boot without USB hub > connect hub > mount via stickmount.
Hope this helps
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I don't have this problem. Using a Belkin 4 port USB 2 hub, but I only have one HD attached.
jmerrilljr2 said:
I don't have this problem. Using a Belkin 4 port USB 2 hub, but I only have one HD attached.
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is that usb powered though? or mains powered
usb powered doesn't handle my 2tb HDD very well, but fine for flash drives.
DEREKTROTTER said:
is that usb powered though? or mains powered
usb powered doesn't handle my 2tb HDD very well, but fine for flash drives.
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Yes, it's powered. Running LaCie Rugged Mini 500gb.
DEREKTROTTER said:
can you link me to the hub you have? would like something i can keep plugged in and will boot up.
Also with the adbfire method, you still have to mount on every reboot with it right?
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No. You can set your boot as persistent so you don't have to remount.
My Dlink is a few years old. I don't see it listed, only newer models.
jocala said:
No. You can set your boot as persistent so you don't have to remount.
My Dlink is a few years old. I don't see it listed, only newer models.
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Thanks for your reply. Could you please provide the details of the adb mount method? Apologies, if it's a basic question... still new to AFTV.
I purchased a powered USB 2.0 hub to test things out. The connected USB sticks and the WD portable HD work great with the hub. Using StickMount, they're loaded at the time of boot, and when I pick Unmount to remove the WD HD, upon pulling the USB cable of the HD, USB sticks remain mounted (don't need to hit mount again).
With this particular powered hub FireTV boots fine when it's connected; seems like certain powered hubs block the boot sequence. I tried the boot sequence with just the USB sticks and USB sticks + WD HD, and it booted fine each time.
The only issue I have is that when I "map" the external drives, I give them names and they're listed under video sources. Unfortunately, StickMount doesn't load them in the same order every time, and the shortcuts point to invalid paths when there are more than one USB sources attached. I can create a root "USB" shortcut that lists all the sources and I can navigate to each drive, but that makes the process complicated for grandparents and kids. If there's a more "permanent" way to mount the attached drives (adb may be?), I'd like to try that.
Thanks!
tenderidol said:
Thanks for your reply. Could you please provide the details of the adb mount method? Apologies, if it's a basic question... still new to AFTV.
I purchased a powered USB 2.0 hub to test things out. The connected USB sticks and the WD portable HD work great with the hub. Using StickMount, they're loaded at the time of boot, and when I pick Unmount to remove the WD HD, upon pulling the USB cable of the HD, USB sticks remain mounted (don't need to hit mount again).
With this particular powered hub FireTV boots fine when it's connected; seems like certain powered hubs block the boot sequence. I tried the boot sequence with just the USB sticks and USB sticks + WD HD, and it booted fine each time.
The only issue I have is that when I "map" the external drives, I give them names and they're listed under video sources. Unfortunately, StickMount doesn't load them in the same order every time, and the shortcuts point to invalid paths when there are more than one USB sources attached. I can create a root "USB" shortcut that lists all the sources and I can navigate to each drive, but that makes the process complicated for grandparents and kids. If there's a more "permanent" way to mount the attached drives (adb may be?), I'd like to try that.
Thanks!
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adbFire provides two different ways to mount your drives and sticks: standard, by device name (/dev/block/sda1, etc) and by the drive's UUID, a unique identifier that each drive stick is given when formatted. Mounting by UUID guarantees that each drive is always mounted at the same mount point.
adbFire creates a script that is automatically run at boot to mount your drives. It uses the busybox run-parts command to run scripts which it places in /etc/init.d. It handles drives formatted with EXT?, ExFat, NTFS and VFAT. UUID is a work in progress, just introduced in the current version, v1.14.
adbFire has a topic here in the xda Fire TV forum. Feel free to ask further questions there.
just EXT?
so atm i cant mount my NTFS and FAT32 drives with that method?
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just EXT?
so atm i cant mount my NTFS and FAT32 drives with that method?
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Look again. EXT2/3/4 NTFS,ExFAT and VFAT.
In my case I only have my external usb 3 ssd that I connect., which means there is no need to give it any priority. I have moved all the AFTV storage to the ssd and boot up from it. All I need is a usb 3 hub that is compatible with the external to boot my AFTV up. I can then connect anything else to the usb hub.
So frustrated, got a powered usb hub and connected 2TB HDD and its turned out a fail. XBMC freezes up / stickmount takes forever and sometimes not at all.
Got the fire tv mainly to play back my movie collection but seems it wont be done so easily.
I exchanged the 4 port hub with a 7 port hub and filled up all the ports with USB sticks and hard drives. FireTV boots while the hub and all the drives are connected, and everything works fine. If you don't need a USB 3.0 hub for other things down the road, you might want to give this one a try.
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I exchanged the 4 port hub with a 7 port hub and filled up all the ports with USB sticks and hard drives. FireTV boots while the hub and all the drives are connected, and everything works fine. If you don't need a USB 3.0 hub for other things down the road, you might want to give this one a try.
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Thanks for the links... Will keep an eye out for them for BlackFriday. Since I am on the market for 3 ( 3 FTV's ). I was leaning on getting 3 Transcend TS-HUB3K Powered USB 3.0 - 4 Port Hub's But is not like the AFTV's will ever need USB 3.0. The price on the 7 port hub should cut my per unit price by half after coupons... Wonder how low can they go..
has anyone used a powered HDD with the fire tv directly? e.g a 4TB seagate
i would assume they would not need a powered hubbut not sure
Really frustrated as i have 2 portable HDD and both experience freezing and buffering with movie playback from them. I sometimes have to reboot the AFTV just to stop the freezing. I got a fire TV to replace a WD HDTV live as i was getting freezing on there and it seems to be still happening :/
Please post here the HDDs you use that play files perfectly.
Thanks