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http://gizmodo.com/5675727/rumor-nexus-two-will-be-announced-november-8th
http://thedroidguy.com/2010/10/no-nexus-2-on-november-8th-at-samsung-event-sorry-guys/
Will bump this Nov 8th heh
How sweet that would be!
MyTouch 4G for T-Mobile USA out on the 3rd of November (a worthy hardware bump)... tough decisions. I will probably wait until the 8th to see if anything really surfaces.
I believe it to be rumor at this point, but surely we all hope it is not.
i really hope this is true cant wait
The device on the 8th wont be the N2, because well the invitation image says the name of the device right in it
http://thedroidguy.com/2010/10/no-nexus-2-on-november-8th-at-samsung-event-sorry-guys/
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The device on the 8th wont be the N2, because well the invitation image says the name of the device right in it
http://thedroidguy.com/2010/10/no-nexus-2-on-november-8th-at-samsung-event-sorry-guys/
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What's the device name?
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What's the device name?
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If i was a member of the media id tell you, and im pretty sure they had to NDA
The device that Samsung are going to announce on November 8th is called the Samsung Continuum. It is going to be a 2.1 device for Verizon and its main feature is that is dual-screen with the second screen acting as a ticker which will display weather, Facebook updates, etc...
However it is reported that there is going to a be a surprise announcement on the day of the Continuum unveiling of a new Nexus device, manufactured by Samsung, which will run Gingerbread. Apparently the device will be called the Nexus S.
You can read more here...
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The device that Samsung are going to announce on November 8th is called the Samsung Continuum. It is going to be a 2.1 device for Verizon and its main feature is that is dual-screen with the second screen acting as a ticker which will display weather, Facebook updates, etc...
However it is reported that there is going to a be a surprise announcement on the day of the Continuum unveiling of a new Nexus device, manufactured by Samsung, which will run Gingerbread. Apparently the device will be called the Nexus S.
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i hope it isnt true id hate for it to be a Samsung phone
Update this thread on Nov. 8th with the scoop
ITS REAL!!\
http://gizmodo.com/5676008/hands-on-the-nexus-two-by-samsung
Gizmodo could be f-ing with us. Or be serious.
I don't see why Google would choose Samsung over HTC. Unless they really want to develop Android on the Hummingbird GPU.
I do NOT like this. It's not even the Nexus One feel. Looks like every other variant of the Galaxy S.
If its stock Android + Google Apps and NOT carrier-subsidized, I will purchase one despite it not being manufactured by our beloved HTC.. when HTC releases their stock/gapps/unsubsidized super phone, I will purchase one of those too. This is of course after I confirm that they both feature 'fastboot oem unlock'...
If the Nexus 2 is the Gizmodo phone then why doesn't it have Android 3.0? The lime green phone icon they so claim its coming with. Not some plain ol' launcher icons. I hope thats not the Nexus 2.
glad Sammy is behind it! I was sick of all the HTC designs since the days of G1.
its just another Galaxy, great *rolls eyes*
samsung=fail
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If the Nexus 2 is the Gizmodo phone then why doesn't it have Android 3.0? The lime green phone icon they so claim its coming with. Not some plain ol' launcher icons. I hope thats not the Nexus 2.
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the picture is just a mock-up, not a real photo.
I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
Unless someone here can tell the future....
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Someone with an inside source said that their timetable for releases is 2 months after a new version is released.
Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
The two month timetable isn't assume h that has been officially confirmed, so it may not be completely accurate.
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I've read a few articles which mentioned that although Motorola is now owned by Google, they are in fact keeping a "firewall" between the two companies. This could explain why the Moto X was released with 4.2 instead of 4.3.
Also, based on what I've seen in recent trends, carriers will be releasing Android OS updates over the air as opposed the Motorola (at least here in the States). Some approach OS updates better than others. Verizon is known to take their time releasing updates to phones because of the extensive testing they do with an upcoming update for a particular device. Take for instance the Droid DNA, a device released close to the end of last year which is only now getting the update to 4.2 from 4.1. I sincerely hope the Moto X does not see such neglect when it comes to future updates but I also wouldn't be surprised.
Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
with the ability to flash roms coming soon this may not matter
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Over the years I have learned one thing. If it's not a nexus, expect the absolute worst case scenario for ROM updates.
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I'd like to believe that Moto offers better support than Samsung and HTC. The 4.3 update is still in the works but hard to put an eta on it as they probably still need time to make sure the moto apps and hardware is optimized to work properly. Other than improved performance and stability, I'm not missing anything by using 4.2.2 for now.
One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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One good thing this phone has going for it is it's pretty much stock Android. No Touchwiz, Sense or any other overlay like Motoblur. This means it should be easier and faster to update since they just have to get the few things working on the next version. I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola skipped 4.3 and went straight to 4.4 since it's close to being released.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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This. If it's going to take moto two months, expect longer because it will need to be blessed by the carriers before OTA updates are pushed out.
I wonder where the T Mobile X fits in then... Will it be updated straight from Moto? If not that might be a big problem because T Mobile obviously doesn't even support the phone.
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The problem isn't necessarily the skins though; it's the US carriers.
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You're right. I actually had a big long post about how once Motorola gets the code, implements their features, at&t still has to test it and approve. Hopefully, since it's basically stock android, it won't take as long because the skinning process doesn't have to happen.
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Motorola has a very mixed record so far with their updates. The OG Droid was actually quite good at getting updates in a timely manner and only trailed the Nexus by a few weeks. After Motorola switched to Blur though for all their devices they lagged behind by a few months and even though with Jelly Bean they removed most of the Blur apps in favor of stock, that was still nearly what 9 months after 4.1's source was released before the Razr, Bionic, Droid 4 all got it. In fact for a while there they were one of the slowest at releasing their updates.
Now the Moto X is a new beast though and different from what Motorola has done now so it's hard to say. All the previous devices were part of the "old motorola" and the X is the first device of the "new motorola". The X is almost pure stock so there is very little tweaking that will need to be done. They just need to add in support for their Camera App, Active Display and Touchless Controls, do any kernel updates/bug fixes and then test/resolve any new bugs that popped up in 4.3. Motorola has said that an update is in the works and will come out soon with many improvements for the Moto X. Is this 4.3 or just a newer 4.2.2 build? We don't know.
I'd like to imagine that we will see 4.3 released sometime between now and early October on all carriers considering Samsung announced they will begin to roll out 4.3 to the SGS4, SGS3 and Note2. If Motorola is the first to release a stable, solid build of 4.3 for their new X8 devices and continues to keep up with their updates in a quick and timely manner, it would do a lot to rebuild their name. Right now we just have to wait and see if Motorola is serious about getting better about releasing timely updates or not.
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I'm still thinking about getting this phone and wondering how fast Motorola will be with their updates. Being that they are owned by Google, it's kind of baffling to me that it ships with 4.2 instead of 4.3 right about of the box.
And with 4.4 on the horizon, I'm not expecting it to be updated like a Nexus device but hoping they won't drag ass and take forever and a day. This would be my first Motorola device and I've heard about them being terrible with updates in the past but that was before Google bought them out.
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I'm in contact with Punit Soni (Moto X product Manager). He's very active on Google+ and he addressed the update and OTA of 4.3 questions. He said when they officially released the device to distributors, 4.3 just got announced. So it was either delay the Moto X and piss off many pre-ordering customers, or continue with the primary plan and push through with 4.2.2.
He said the update is "Coming soon" as they always say, and he promises many fixes like Camera improvements, Picasa or Google Photos sync for Gallery, and OS 4.3 very soon.
"When will then be now? Soon!"
EDIT: wrong thread.
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Part of the requirements for the purchase of Moto was that they couldn't receive any special treatment when it came to code release from Google. Which means that they don't get the source code for new versions before any other vendor unless they have been chosen to build a nexus device. I that case they can only work on it in connection with the Google Android team.
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Each OEM gets the source at the same time. Makes no difference. The only reason it takes so long is a mixture between putting loads of framework in. And wanting to get new hardware out.
Moto, working with next to stock android, will be much much faster. No they dont get special treatment per se. But time will be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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But time should be light speed compared to HTC and Samsung
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If it goes the way the Tmobile nexus 4 goes than it will be updated right away. My son has the nexus4 bought directly from Tmobile store & it receives updates along with those bought directly from Google. I know its still a nexus and the moto x isn't but from what I understand the Tmobile version of the x doesn't have any carrier installed stuff on it, so hopefully it will be treated as a device like the Google editions.
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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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Kitkat update for March (oficial)
nizarnoor said:
How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked!
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Why do you say that ?
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Why do you say that ?
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It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
There was a full page advert for the Z1c on the back of the free London Evening Standard newspaper yesterday.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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Seems like Sony is getting better and faster with updates nowadays (That was 2012 now is 2014). Look at T,V or Z for example.
Just like my favourite album from Calvin Harris : "18 Months"
at least Sony has to update this phone in 18 months update cycle.
I'm just saying
So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
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So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
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Yes, of course. I don't know about March but KitKat will surely come. And beyond KitKat updates will probably come as well. No worries there, really.
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Good views
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I don't think I could imagine being in that kind of customers shoes.
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darksideauto said:
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Hardware now is at the point where a high-end phone should last a good 3 years or even indefinitely.. I mean.. do we need 8 cores and 4k screens? I would not want an environment where a producer is forced to spawn new hardware just because new software is available, I would like it to happen more organically than that.
While hardware arms-race is great at drastically improving performance in new technology, there should theoretically be a limit where hardware improvements may not outweigh the cost to the consumer, and it is at this point where software takes over. Processing power and screen resolution is at a point where anything more is redundant. At least I think that software is where the future is at. I'd take a good and useful feature, instead of imperceivable pixel-density or more CPU power.
Keep in mind I'm not saying screen resolution and cpu-core improvements are worth zero, I just think they may not be worth as much as Qualcomm is trying to make us believe. Battery performance on the other hand, gimmie -- though this is equal parts software and hardware. There are many hardware improvements that are infinitely more useful than a new android-version, unfortunately they are overlooked by the naive consumer that just want whatever the producers can most easily improve upon.
I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Im not sure how to respond in a way that would not bring more negative feedback.
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nizarnoor said:
It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest market?
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Largest smartphone markets (predicted for 2014):
Country - Annual sales
China - 283 million
India - 225 million
USA - 89 million
Distant third, dude. But at least you beat Russia in the ice hockey, there's a bit of national pride to cling on to.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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Because Sony has always been a domestic brand (like many Japanese companies) but also with a large European arm for the majority of their products. Anything successful in both these markets will eventually find its way further afield.
Given their current financial state, you can hardly blame them for not wanting to take risks.
And let's not forget the US market for the average consumer is totally inaccessible with only one SKU per colour.
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http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7...xus-7-is-reportedly-not-getting-android-m.htm
Just saw this, not sure if this news is reliable but that would kind of suck..
Far from credible. Honestly if it doesn't come from Google or Android Police don't beleve it. Actually don't even trust Google just AP.
Someone sent us a tip saying “goodbye Nexus 7, no Android M for you”, and they also said they are close to the Android M development...
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Thats the source lol.
I can see maybe the 2012 nexus 7 being dropped from M update.
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Would be bad if Google dropped support for a 1 1/2 yr old device (not looking at release date) . More fragmentation and might give Apple fanboys more to brag about .
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The nexus 7 2012 is fine but if google stops updating the 2013 version I'm gonna bust their asses my Xperia Z1 from 2013 even has a chance of getting M...
atm android 5.1.1 still sucks on my N7 so I hoped that M would fix my issues!
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Would be bad if Google dropped support for a 1 1/2 yr old device (not looking at release date) . More fragmentation and might give Apple fanboys more to brag about .
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They promised at least 18 months of updates after they stopped selling a device in the play store, iirc
Edit: here's the ap article, it looks like we might not get M
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-with-an-update-guarantee-for-nexus-devices/
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They promised at least 18 months of updates after they stopped selling a device in the play store, iirc
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Hmm ... Not sure if Andoid M classifes as a update or as patch . IMHO its both ,since 5.1 is sluggish and tad buggy .
No updates would be bad and it sucks . One might think why invest in a expensive Nexus device when updates are so short lived . Apple fanboys might have some thing to brag about .
I'm not very concerned. Even if Google doesn't give us the update, it probably won't be very long before CyanogenMod comes out with it. I'm willing to bet that this tablet continues to get community support for another couple of years.
Without a CM Flo or deb device maintainer I doubt CM based on Android M would appear officially for us. Maybe other ROMs that have flo maintainers/devs will bring Android M to our devices after making 5.1.1 Lollipop binaries and stuff compatible with M
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Hmm ... Not sure if Andoid M classifes as a update or as patch . IMHO its both ,since 5.1 is sluggish and tad buggy .
No updates would be bad and it sucks . One might think why invest in a expensive Nexus device when updates are so short lived . Apple fanboys might have some thing to brag about .
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The only thing keeping me on Android is the ability to root, secure my devices, and retain full control of the file system - you know, administer the device. This is slowly being taken away, and when it does, I will probably jump ship. Apple makes quality hardware, and iOS isn't awful. It just doesn't give you any easy methods to truly administer the device without jumping through hoops.
In a world where you are a guest on your own device regardless of OS, Apple will come out the winner.
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The only thing keeping me on Android is the ability to root, secure my devices, and retain full control of the file system - you know, administer the device. This is slowly being taken away, and when it does, I will probably jump ship. Apple makes quality hardware, and iOS isn't awful. It just doesn't give you any easy methods to truly administer the device without jumping through hoops.
In a world where you are a guest on your own device regardless of OS, Apple will come out the winner.
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Besides the point you mentioned , Android does have other benefits ... But I was talking more in terms of Nexus devices . If high end devices & Nexus devices (from the google stable) dont get updates for longer , it would be crappy .No point investing in an expensive Nexus device..
If they stopped selling the N7 2013 in October 2014, 18 months of updates would end April 2016 I think.
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Despite rumors circulating about the chance of official M for flo, I doubt that it will be left out. After all, Google recently announced monthly updates for a list of nexus devices that includes flo. Even if those updates came only in the form of patches for L, I'm sure unofficial support will be there. Even my old galaxy nexus has unofficially made it to the latest revision of lollipop...
I believe we will get it. It just turned 2 and its only like 3 month's older than the nexus 5. It'll be the last major update but it'll still get it. The 2 year guarantee is just that, a guarantee it doesn't mean they'll necessarily cut off devices at that point
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I believe we will get it. It just turned 2 and its only like 3 month's older than the nexus 5. It'll be the last major update but it'll still get it. The 2 year guarantee is just that, a guarantee it doesn't mean they'll necessarily cut off devices at that point
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Totally agree, 5.1.1 runs smooth on my N7 so I see no reason from a hardware perspective that the N7 shouldn't get M. I think it will be last release so lets hope its a good one.
When I bought my wife's 2013 Nexus 7, it was mid-2014 and I thought for sure it was my only chance of owning a Nexus device, living in the US. I bought it for me, but then I discovered I don't like tablets very much. Fortunately, my wife loves it, so I wiped it and made it hers.
From 4.2 to 4.3, 4.4, 5.0, and now 5.1, it's had four major updates. That's more than any Android phone I've owned has gotten. First got one, second got none, third one got three, fourth one got one so far. Samsung, Motorola, and Samsung again on US Cellular, and HTC on Verizon. All flagships but the first one. It seems to me that I really care about updates on my phones, but on the tablet, it doesn't matter. The tablet doesn't feel like a mission-critical device. It feels like a media device. Had the price gap not been so wide, I wonder if I shouldn't have just gotten an iPad. Not that the Nexus 7 is bad. I just found that a tablet didn't do anything for me. It's just a bigger screen.
If Google is going to cut Nexus updates off after just two years, that's better than a lot of OEM phones get. Though, I do wonder, why did the Nexus 4, released in 2012, get the M preview, but not flo, released in 2013? Or am I mistaken? Was the Nexus 4 abandoned as well?
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When I bought my wife's 2013 Nexus 7, it was mid-2014 and I thought for sure it was my only chance of owning a Nexus device, living in the US. I bought it for me, but then I discovered I don't like tablets very much. Fortunately, my wife loves it, so I wiped it and made it hers.
From 4.2 to 4.3, 4.4, 5.0, and now 5.1, it's had four major updates. That's more than any Android phone I've owned has gotten. First got one, second got none, third one got three, fourth one got one so far. Samsung, Motorola, and Samsung again on US Cellular, and HTC on Verizon. All flagships but the first one. It seems to me that I really care about updates on my phones, but on the tablet, it doesn't matter. The tablet doesn't feel like a mission-critical device. It feels like a media device. Had the price gap not been so wide, I wonder if I shouldn't have just gotten an iPad. Not that the Nexus 7 is bad. I just found that a tablet didn't do anything for me. It's just a bigger screen.
If Google is going to cut Nexus updates off after just two years, that's better than a lot of OEM phones get. Though, I do wonder, why did the Nexus 4, released in 2012, get the M preview, but not flo, released in 2013? Or am I mistaken? Was the Nexus 4 abandoned as well?
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M developer preview was available for the nexus 5,6 and 9, unfortunately the nexus 4 didn't make the cut, as you quite rightly said, it was released in 2012, which is a bit more than the two year update garuntee
I want marshmallow, any custom rom for flo?
djlah said:
I want marshmallow, any custom rom for flo?
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Marshmallow hasn't been released so there is no AOSP Source made public from Google. ROMs will appear once Android 6.0 and it's Source Code is released (rumored by the end of this month)
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Since Motorola / Lenovo now seem happy to abandon support for Moto G handsets within months of release, I thought it might be helpful to compile a list of OEMs that promise publicly (and hopefully deliver in timely fashion) 18 Months or more software support. I will update this post and clarify points when necessary.
Obviously Google's 'Pixel' and Samsung Flagship phones are in a completely different price-range to Moto G, but I'll include them for the sake of understanding the current situation.
Google 'Pixel' - Software Updates: 2 Years / Security fixes: 3 Years - Current Price: €700 / $625.
Samsung - Software Updates: Unknown / Security fixes: Monthly fixes promised (Depending on handset)
Huawei 'Honor' handsets - starting with Honor 8 - Software Updates: 2 Years / Security fixes: 2 Years (link) Current Price: €300 / $280. Note: 'Major updates at least once every three months.'
Perhaps there will be some announcements from Google / OEMs / Chipset manufacturers at this year's CES starting next week.
Posting to follow... Call me a Negative Nelly here, but until OEMs can prove that they will actually stand behind a 18/24 month update policy, except for Nexus/Pixel devices, I'm not buying it. Huawei has a rather spotty track record with updates, as does Samsung (although they improved a lot recently with their higher-end models).
That said, don't count out the ZTE Axon line just yet, they haven't came right out and said 2 years support (although they do have a 2 year warranty standard), but more along the lines of they want to step into the Nexus lines shoes in the $300-$400 price range, and have implied that meant updates, but NOT the same developer support, as Google gives the Nexus line... I will admit that I am surprised to see my son's Axon 7 get an update the first week of every month since he got it, granted that's only 2 updates so far and no Nougat yet.
Don't forget that in 2012 and 2014, Google tried to get OEMs to agree to a 18-24 month update policy, most OEMs accepted in 2012 and failed, few agreed in 2014 other than in principle to improve update time lines. In terms of upgrades/updates, Android is a fragmented mess... just the way it is.
The Huawei Honor 8 was apparently selling for $250 during Black Friday; so around $50 more than the price of a Moto G 4th Gen, but with some assurance of updates. The downside is that due to their UI (and customisation), that handset is not getting Nougat until February 2017.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...r-8-will-receive-nougat-emui-5-february-2017/
It's perhaps worth contemplating that the nexus of Moto G was during a time when Google was an OEM - by owning Motorola Mobility. That time is here again, now that Google are manufacturing (more or less) it's own handsets. Could we see a $200 Pixel variant with 24 Months of software support this year? Would it have to be Daydream VR compatible? Maybe it's possible with some future revision of the Snapdragon 6XX chipset.
lost101 said:
It's perhaps worth contemplating that the nexus of Moto G was during a time when Google was an OEM - by owning Motorola Mobility. That time is here again, now that Google are manufacturing (more or less) it's own handsets. Could we see a $200 Pixel variant with 24 Months of software support this year? Would it have to be Daydream VR compatible? Maybe it's possible with some future revision of the Snapdragon 6XX chipset.
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Google is manufacturing handsets?!?! I was pretty sure these were HTC (or whatever OEM) with an agreement that the OEM's brand would be on the device?
I like your thinking though, even if it's only a dream...
acejavelin said:
Google is manufacturing handsets?!?! I was pretty sure these were HTC (or whatever OEM) with an agreement that the OEM's brand would be on the device?
I like your thinking though, even if it's only a dream...
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Google are clearly trying to present themselves as an OEM (no mention of HTC during Pixel phone launch show) and they are actively exercising ever greater control of what is being produced, not to mention still owning patents (maybe irrelevant) from the Motorola Mobility acquisition. It just seems to me that the pieces are in place to see a true spiritual successor to the Moto G - if Google really wanted such a thing to happen.
"There is no HTC branding because this is a Google phone that brings together premium hardware by multiple partners to serve a best in class software experience for users," said a company spokesman.
https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/google-pixel-htc-xl-phone-cold-comfort-nexus-silent-partner
The Huawei 'Honor 6X' has been revealed and conveys a very questionable attitude towards updates.
During the phone's presentation at CES 2017 in Las Vegas, Honor revealed that it's planning to update the new smartphone to Android 7.0 Nougat in the second quarter of the year. This means as soon as April, and as late as June 2017.
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Will this lax attitude be how they apply their '24 month update promise' to their more expensive handsets?
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The Huawei 'Honor 6X' has been revealed and conveys a very questionable attitude towards updates.
Will this lax attitude be how they apply their '24 month update promise' to their more expensive handsets?
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Android Police has little faith in Huawei... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7lMp3TZfg
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Android Police has little faith in Huawei... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7lMp3TZfg
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It's good to see AP tell it how it is. Many of the other reviews gloss over the situation. I was seriously considering a 'Honor' phone as my next handset, but now I'm really cautious about them.
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It's good to see AP tell it how it is. Many of the other reviews gloss over the situation. I was seriously considering a 'Honor' phone as my next handset, but now I'm really cautious about them.
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Yeah, you would most likely hate the interface anyway emui is like a cross between LG and Apple interface... My son had a HAM2 and doesn't mod or change anything, within 15 minutes he was discovering Nova Launcher and SwiftKey. When he was looking for a new phone a couple months ago he looked at the Honor 5x and the specs looked good until he asked if it had that "emui thing" like his old one and when I said yes, he just said no.
From what we have seen of Huawei, great hardware for the money but terrible software, bad enough to ruin the whole user experience for the average user (and as a stock Android fan, it frustrated me when I had to help him too).
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Yeah, you would most likely hate the interface anyway emui is like a cross between LG and Apple interface... My son had a HAM2 and doesn't mod or change anything, within 15 minutes he was discovering Nova Launcher and SwiftKey. When he was looking for a new phone a couple months ago he looked at the Honor 5x and the specs looked good until he asked if it had that "emui thing" like his old one and when I said yes, he just said no.
From what we have seen of Huawei, great hardware for the money but terrible software, bad enough to ruin the whole user experience for the average user (and as a stock Android fan, it frustrated me when I had to help him too).
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At this point I was prepared to 'gut' the UI to reduce irritation and improve performance. But I suppose it's not unfair to assume if a phone has a sloppy UI, it's going to have sloppy software support also.
Google is expanding its “Android One” program for low-cost smartphones to the U.S in coming months, promising phone makers major new promotional dollars if they play by its rules, say three people briefed on the plan. *
The first phone to launch in the U.S. with Google’s Android One seal of approval, backed by an ad campaign funded by Google, is expected before the middle of the year. It will be made by a phone manufacturer whose identity couldn’t be learned. It will be different from other Android phones because it will guarantee timely software updates, including security updates, for two years from sale date, one of the people said. That’s something Android often fails to do, unlike Apple. The phone is expected to be priced in the $200-$300 price range, said two of the people.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5om7lg/googles_new_stab_at_boosting_android_brand_in_us/
This is what I have been waiting for. A budget version of the Google Pixel (with Daydream VR support *fingers crossed*)
Finally, our source has indicated to us that Google is internally testing a “few” prototypes of a device they referred to as “Pixel 2B”, which would purportedly be released either “alongside or shortly after Pixel 2”. This phone would bring with it a lower-price point and less powerful hardware, and would be “aimed at different markets,” our source says. Google’s end goal is to bring the “Google experience and the Google Phone to emerging markets,” which is something the company definitely has shown a passion for in the past.
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https://9to5google.com/2017/01/26/s...amera-chipset-waterproof-budget-price-details
"realistic" Kris here... I remember that a small bunch of us were hanging on waiting for a L update for the Moto Atrix HD. The moto web site actually said we were supposed to get it. Of course it never happened. I noticed with amusement that (it looked like) everybody but the USA got 6.0.1 for the Moto G3. I always assumed that 6.0.1 was more trouble that it was worth so didn't mind. I have been away from flashing custom ROMs for at least 9 months so was a bit surprised to find a group here waiting for N on the Moto G3. Never happen. Not financially useful for them. Can't sell new phones if they do. They only ever lose just a few folks from buying a phone. 95% just don't care - wouldn't know what an update was.
Phones like the Pixel are expensive and can serve as a testbed for releases/fixes. It's a win/win for google.
Just my 2 cents. Getting off soapbox. (just flashed Legacy 0207)
i bought new Lenovo mobile again
have to see what happens to it its still stuck at Nov security patch with Marshmallow on top
hmm.. lenovo p2 is my new mobile, god knows about its updates .......
Moto g3 will stay on Marshmallow...Moto India confirmed...
RijuSarkar said:
Moto g3 will stay on Marshmallow...Moto India confirmed...
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This has been official news since October... http://blog.motorola.com/2016/10/04...d-7-0-is-coming-to-your-favorite-moto-phones/
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This has been official news since October... http://blog.motorola.com/2016/10/04...d-7-0-is-coming-to-your-favorite-moto-phones/
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In Motorola's portal Moto said that Moto E3 power will stay in marshmallow but they announced nothing like this for osprey...in osprey it is said that the device got marshmallow update...no such thing like Moto E3 power...it is also thought Motorola will announce a second list...but now the news is confirmed
RijuSarkar said:
In Motorola's portal Moto said that Moto E3 power will stay in marshmallow but they announced nothing like this for osprey...in osprey it is said that the device got marshmallow update...no such thing like Moto E3 power...it is also thought Motorola will announce a second list...but now the news is confirmed
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No offense, but I never heard any rumors that Moto might announce a second list... The list hasn't changed, the exception was made for the E3P because it's release date was so close to this list, late Sept if I recall correctly, and the list was announced Oct, so everyone assumed it would get Nougat but they were wrong, it was a logical exception. In other words, the original list is still correct for the devices that were available at the time.
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No offense, but I never heard any rumors that Moto might announce a second list... The list hasn't changed, the exception was made for the E3P because it's release date was so close to this list, late Sept if I recall correctly, and the list was announced Oct, so everyone assumed it would Nougat but they were wrong, it was a logical exception. In other words, the original list is still correct for the devices that were available at the time.
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Okay...then I am extremely sorry for my post...