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I'm referring to the fact that the battery drains rapidly in the first few minutes, and might drain more rapidly than it should the rest of the day.
heres a post i made on another thread, but created a new topic also because i feel i really want to start a discussion about 2 different things:
1 my perceived odd battery charge cycle.
2 how many of us have this issue?
3 if not all of us have this issue then maybe there's hope i can swap this out for a different phone with out this issue.
here is my original post:
i do have something unique to add to this discussion but first:
well i can say that i did try this "top off" thing and it does seem to work, but as soon as i discharge the battery though use and recharge that night i was right back in the same boat of having a battery that drops very rapidly in the first 10 minutes or so and then continues to drop faster than it should the rest of the day. so imo, this top it off method only works at that moment, ie, not a long term fix.
also, i charged my evo battery in my touch pro2 and the charge didn't drop rapidly in the first few minutes. Also it seemed to last all day much better then it previously. i was able to play around all day with the phone and the battey drain was surprisingly good.
ok, the interesting thing i observed and i can replicate is:
when using the battery graph app i can watch battery level percentages versus time on a chart. in this chart i observed a charge cycle pattern that has me concerned.
while charging the percentage line on the graph was gradually increasing at a semi steady rate from 0% till 90%, then changed its charge rate at 90%
here is how it broke down.
0% 114am
90% 309am steady increase all the way to 90%
100% 315am very rapid charge at this stage (probably not good)
basically it had a steady charge rate of .78% per minute until it hit 90%.
then the remaining 10% rate was: 2.5% per minute.
this last 10% of the charge cycle charges 3.2 times faster rate then the previous 90%. i don't know much about charging but this may be a hint to something that's causing this issue.
also, just how many of us have this issue? all of us, whether we know it or not?
some of use? will there be a fix? is this covered by a warranty or software fix, or so we need to "top it off" every charge?
i'm still within my 30 days and i dont want to swap this out for another if they all have this issue.
I think its the way evo charges the battery.. As I posted about my findinga that when charged in my tp2 I dont see this fast drop anymore. The drop I saw was a 1/8 of the battery icon within 15 min not using.. So more than 10% drainage.. Also its nice the tp2 battery is the same.. So I always have a charged battery so I just switch out batts.. Most of use have this prob unless rooted and tweeked with setcpu..
Edit: only charge batteries from tp2 not from evo anymore..
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I have read that this is the way the Evo is supposed to work. The battery charges to 100%, then it quits charging and runs off of the battery until it reaches approximately 90% charge, Then starts charging again. This is supposed to be better for the battery. So, if you take it off of the charger when it is about ready to start charging again, it can drop 10% in the first 5 minutes.
Franky, it appears to work this way with my phone, but I have not had the rapid battery drain issues that some have. My battery regularly makes it through the day fine with moderate to heavy use.
Another thing I have noticed is that not messing with it helps a lot. After I upgrade my rom it seems to take about three days for the battery to get back to its normal cycle. for the first day it drains faster than normal, but last longer each day thereafter.
i have done the same thing with using the touch pro 2 to charge my evo battery. kinda rediculas dont ya think?
that sure makes for an expensive charger, i would much rather sell my touch pro 2 to offset some of the cost for early termination what not.
i talked to customer support and of course their response was the canned response of "your evo is power hungery thats all...yada yada"
do you think that all evo's have this issue and no one else is noticing?
What I find funny is you buy a heavy use device that is designed for using. Everything you do on this device uses battery. I went from the touch pro 2 to this device and I am happier with the EVO than I was with the tp2. You might be surprise how much battery life you would get if you turn off all the radios except for the phone portion and only us this as a phone.
After the touch, mogul, touch pro, and tp2, I am permanently an HTC customer.
Sorry, just my opinion. I may be wrong.
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The bad thing is not all of us have an extra touch pro 2 lying around to charge our evo.
When I leave my phone on the charger and not use it at all and it drains 10% in 6 minutes that's rediculous. even though my phone has technically been in standby mode and using the battery for the top 10% their hasn't been one time where I took my phone off the charger and it didnt drop in 5 minutes.
Mine is random. Some days I get great battery life, and others I get 5 hours. I'm going having two spare batteries and a wall charger will fix this.
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Maybe I gave too much info and perhaps I drowned my main point
The charging algorithm changes The speed in which it charges the battery at the last 10% of the charge.
This is probably the problem.
My tilt 2 does not do this. Therefore I get a proper charge and the charge lasts as it should.
Look at my findings above.
I charge my phone overnight, from around 10PM to 8AM, then I leave my phone charging in its dock from about 9AM to 5PM during the work day...
any harm in doing this? I'd like my phone to last quite a while, as we are currently in a serious relationship, and I don't plan on letting her go....
What hurts your phone battery is not charging it but keeping it on high temperatures for a long time. And guess what keeps it on high temperatures: yep, you guessed it, charging for a long time.
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While it always depends on the charging circuit, keeping your battery topped up by constant charging (even trickle maintenance) will reduce the voltage level that it can be charged to. This will take quite some time to notice, and several deeper charging cycles will "repair" this to a certain extent. But with any battery, keeping it any constant level will reduce its charging capacity, and continual charging (trickle or otherwise) will "cook" the batteries chemical make up sooner.
To do what you're doing everyday will absolutely have an impact on your battery's health over the long term. But to exactly what extent is based on several factors I don't have specific data on.
Absolutely, our phone battery is designed for mobile usage, not to be tethered to a charger constantly. Constant charging is unnecessary, wasteful and leads to early battery demise.
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And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
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And aren't our high end modern phones also designed to trickle charge when it gets to %100, so no harm can come to it?
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I suppose it depends on how you define "harm". Read my post above again. Any level of current that is continually supplied to a charged battery will accelerate the aging of it.
Even if the charger were to shut off completely, and then resume charging at a certain level (which I believe is the behavior of the LG wireless charger at 95%), continually discharging and recharging from 95% to 100% is probably not ideal.
But all of this is probably not all that great of an affect in the grand scheme of things. You're not gonna kill your battery in a matter of months by leaving on the charger all of the time. Yes you will accelerate the degradation of the battery's health over time, but if your phone is in use enough so the battery is being discharged regularly between charges, I doubt that you will notice it for a long time, if at all.
I can say that if you simply leave it charging 24/7 without any other kind of use you will be able to measure degradation surprisingly soon. As to how noticeable it will be is very hard to say.
I use and suggest Battery Monitor Widget from 3c. It takes the guess work out of what you see when you're charging and what happens to the phone when it reaches 100%.
As the phone gradually reaches 90%, charging is noticeably slowed. From about 92-100% it trickle charges from around 300 to 200 to 100mA until it reaches 100%. Charger stops charging when full and lets the battery level drop slightly before charging it back to 100%. You're constantly topping it off at full and batteries of this chemistry don't like that.
As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up. The only catch is, don't run them down until it's completely dead. You've significantly cut the life of your battery if you do it quite often.
To answer your question, it probably doesn't hurt that much. If you do it for months, maybe years. Yeah, you'll see some degradation.
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As far as I can recall, these types of batteries actually thrive on being run down and cycled back up.
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I would correct this and say the battery loves being near the median. Store at 40% battery! 100%-0% is bad... 100%-10% is better, 90/10 is better etc...
80/40 is really good for preserving charge cycles. Basically, charging at 30% back up to 70% is better than letting it go down to 0%
Note: this is a REALLY good battery in this phone. Just USE it until you feel it's dying too soon and buy a new one. Batteries are cheap and will be cheaper in 2-3 years.
But we can't buy battery for this phone.. I always let it run down to 14% that's when the warning message pops up.. Then back up, charges in 2 1/2 hrs then I leave it on an hour more until I leave from work so I could have a full phone.. Note, I work over nights, so its dead at around 2 or 3 am sometimes, then I leave at 6 am..
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Please... I would say we can in a few months! Most of us have already voided the warranty
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Most of us in here don't keep our phones long enough to notice any battery degradation..
Just charge it as often as you can but unplug it when it's full.
To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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To be safe I would let the phone idle off of the work charger and only plug in at home.
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Agreed, I only charge once a day and it's usually sufficient, if your a heavy user and are concerned about the phone dying at night, let the phone decharge normally throughout the day and plug it in an hour or an hour and a half before you leave, however long it takes to charge the device after a workday's worth of usage (Whatever that is for you)
I do this myself if I'm using my phone heavily during the day and know I'll be out all night. Like some said you'll probably never even notice the degradation, but when you know it's not good for the battery in the strictest sense why risk it, the phones aren't designed to be charging 2/3rd of the time, they are designed to be charged and then taken off the charger and used.
Any one actually time how fast their note 4 charges for them? Mine didnt seem to charge any faster than my GS4 the last few days so I finally set a timer, and it charged 50% in just over an hour and a half. Way off what samsung claimed, considering this was supposed to take only 30 minutes...and yes I have fast charging enabled and am using the fast charging adapter.
In 20 minutes charged about 33%. I am happy, cause fast charging working very well. From 25% to 95 % in 60 minutes.
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I've done measurements this morning after getting my Note 4 last night.
I agree. I've found little difference between fast charging, and normal at the levels i was measuring.
Perhaps it works faster between 0 and 50%, which seems to be the stats Samsung always quoted. If there is any kind of intelligence circutry going on, it must be varying the amount of ampage being drawn from the charger.
I've found the amps drawn to be VERY low as compared with the S5. Obviously the voltage is the main thing changing with Samsung's "fast Charging" plug.
For example changing from 90% to 100% I found:
USB 2 lead supplied with phone + normal plug = 23mins 31 seconds
USB 2 lead supplied with phone + fast charging plug supplied by Samsung = 23 mins dead.
31 seconds difference is hardly stallar!
Yes you can say it depends on what apps were consuming resource in the background, but it was just standard apps synching etc.
Screen was off the entire time, and nothing processor intensive was actively running.
But I did notice something interesting:
If watts = amps x volts it might explain why the phone isn't charging that fast at the 90% level.
Note 4:
With anker 40w 5-port charge (capable of outpitting 2.4 amps per port, the typical draw was between 300 and 450 ma
With Samsung fast charger it was drawing between 250 and 350ma.
Obviously I'm not counting voltage, which will definitely play a part in the overall wattage. But there has to be some kind of intelligence here controlling it as it's not steady.
S5:
Anker 5-port: 1200ma steady
Fast charger (not compatable of course): 1200ma Steady
Which is also intereting seeing as the max output is 1800ma, so the phone still isnt drawing the max it could do.
Might try draining the Note 4 down even more, and seeing if it does up the draw when the battery is nearing empty
I was very impressed with the charging.
The ultimate test for me was when I was playing a fairly graphics hungry game whilst being connected to the fast charger. It continued to charge the phone up to 100% from 30% in around 40 minutes whilst playing.
I believe the best way to ensure the results are comparable is to make sure the phone is completely powered down and the battery has had a handful of recharge cycles first.
Anyhow, I am impressed with the charging and the battery consumption of my Note 4 to date
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Impressive. Considering you were using a lot of screen and processing power. Sounds like a wait and see is in order, see how it pans out.
Battery life doesn't seem bad for what I have used, not but much better than I had on the S5. In time I expect things to improve though.
With me fast charging work very well
30 mins then 50% when playing some small game and surfing web
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I went from 21% to 75% in about 40 minutes the other day (was monitoring), but my device was on and I had used it a few times in between that time... fast charging is really meant to be used when your device is OFF - that's where you'll get the most benefit.
Mine works fine. Remember it works while screen is off or phone powered down. Also from 0-50 only. Beyond that and it will use 5v to charge instead of the 9v. That's why Fast Charging will only work with the charger it came with.
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Any one actually time how fast their note 4 charges for them? Mine didnt seem to charge any faster than my GS4 the last few days so I finally set a timer, and it charged 50% in just over an hour and a half. Way off what samsung claimed, considering this was supposed to take only 30 minutes...and yes I have fast charging enabled and am using the fast charging adapter.
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Are you still having the same issue?
Im charging my phone for the first time and i dont find the fast charging works well with me. Its been an hour already and my battery is still at 30%. I also turn off my phone to make sure i get the 30mins 50% but no luck. Should fast charging kicks in after several recharge cycle?
Remember, it's called adaptive fast charging so it's charging rate varies depending on variables such as temperature, etc.
I went from 20% to 96% in about 60-90 minutes today. Not too bad.
I don't plan on using fast charging much to test, but it's my first few days with the phone and I've been stress testing it to see how battery life is.
90mins for me from 1% to 100%.
no problem at all. been charging from 0 to 100% at exactly 60mins
Impressed with mine used to have a spare battery but not anymore as the beast can really fast.
Must use included charger and CABLE
I found that for fast charging to work you must use the cable and charger that shipped with the Note 4.
hey and im sorry to dig this thread out again, but wondering if another tried fast charging with third party battery, I bought a ravpower note 4 battery off amazon and charged it with my note 4 adapter and I went from 10% to 50% in about 50 minutes, im sure its not fast enough.
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The phone has a chip and the charger has a chip it is this that allows the phone to charge at 9v only between 0 to 50. It's easy for people to be unimpressed because Samsung typically charge quickly. I tried a LG g3 for a few days and it charged ridiculously slow compared to a Samsung if it is taking an hr and a half to charge your phone halfway I would consider using your warranty for a new device or battery
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The phone has a chip and the charger has a chip it is this that allows the phone to charge at 9v only between 0 to 50. It's easy for people to be unimpressed because Samsung typically charge quickly. I tried a LG g3 for a few days and it charged ridiculously slow compared to a Samsung if it is taking an hr and a half to charge your phone halfway I would consider using your warranty for a new device or battery
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is this correct?
It will only do fast charging below 50%?
What if it starts at 45% - will it stop when it gets to 50%?
I'm finding that Adaptive Fast Charging (AFC) only works (phone reads "fast charging") when the charge cycle is started while the phone's battery is almost dead. Now, "almost dead" means different things to different people, but my GS6 won't use AFC unless it's really low - I know it won't kick on/in circa 35%, but I don't know the precise level.
Here's some an interesting comment made on the awesome article at the link below:
"You should note though, that CABLES DO MATTER. Every el-cheapo ebay cable isn't supported for quick charging. They usually allow about 700mA to pass through. You need high quality cables that probably came with your smartphone in order for quick charging to work. I have done several tests with my Note 4 with several cables and an adapter that meters the output Amperage."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/
Works great for me take about an hour and 40 mins from 4-fully charged.
I lost my charger so i cant help here
Been looking all over eBay & Amazon, but nothing...*sigh*
Cmon, lets give the credit where credit is due.
I no longer have to worry about battery charge thanks to this new fast charge thing. 45 mins after having a low battery I'm at 80%... thank god battery charging has finally progressed to this.
I use my phone for music / radio shows all day long. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this fast charge thing.. on the boat, in the car, at work at home, a 30 min charge and my phone is ready to go for HOURS!
Thank you to samsung and the note 4 for FINALLY putting a phone out there that is awesome!!
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Cmon, lets give the credit where credit is due.
I no longer have to worry about battery charge thanks to this new fast charge thing. 45 mins after having a low battery I'm at 80%... thank god battery charging has finally progressed to this.
I use my phone for music / radio shows all day long. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this fast charge thing.. on the boat, in the car, at work at home, a 30 min charge and my phone is ready to go for HOURS!
Thank you to samsung and the note 4 for FINALLY putting a phone out there that is awesome!!
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I agree but I rather swap my battery. When I get down to lets say 5% I don't have to worry about plugging it in. It takes less than a minute to go from 0% to 100% and it's less strain on the charging port and circuit. Plus if you still want to use the phone you don't have to be tethered to a cable.
+1 I love it. Swapping out the batter. LOL Not so much.
Battery swapping really sucks if you have a case on the phone. I vote for fast charging. Beautiful thing! I just need to get a fast car charger and I can charge my phone fully during my commute to work.
...and it's less strain on the charging port and circuit...
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As an electrical engineer, seeing statements like this makes me cringe. I can absolutely assure you that there is no "strain" on the charging circuit, or battery, or anything else for that matter.
The only thing I could say is, possibly, the reduced battery life span due to the additional charge cycles. But charge cycles for modern Li-ion is already really high. But even if I were to entertain the fact that the battery might need to be replaced sooner, who cares. You are buying another battery NOW, vs the possibility of buying another battery in a year or so.
As far as personal preference goes, if a spare battery is your thing, go for it. But please try not to perpetuate the idea that the fast charging circuit or battery can't handle the charging.
I'm more than happy to go over the physics and electrical theory on how charging works. You might be interested to know that in a lab setting we can get charging rates as fast as 1 minute per 1000mAh with minimal heat build up (the major hurdle in improving charging rates)
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
Fast Charging + Killer battery life = One Happy Customer
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As an electrical engineer, seeing statements like this makes me cringe. I can absolutely assure you that there is no "strain" on the charging circuit, or battery, or anything else for that matter.
The only thing I could say is, possibly, the reduced battery life span due to the additional charge cycles. But charge cycles for modern Li-ion is already really high. But even if I were to entertain the fact that the battery might need to be replaced sooner, who cares. You are buying another battery NOW, vs the possibility of buying another battery in a year or so.
As far as personal preference goes, if a spare battery is your thing, go for it. But please try not to perpetuate the idea that the fast charging circuit or battery can't handle the charging.
I'm more than happy to go over the physics and electrical theory on how charging works. You might be interested to know that in a lab setting we can get charging rates as fast as 1 minute per 1000mAh with minimal heat build up (the major hurdle in improving charging rates)
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
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i love everything about this post, btw. i'd love to know the physics and electrical theory if you ever want to share. it would probably help me to understand which is better for the phone, not that i need it right now, but i'm sure it would be beneficial to have that knowledge. i am one that is a fan of the fast charging, but i've also been looking at Samsung's spare battery charger too. the Korean Note 4 variants actually came WITH the spare battery charger (lucky ducks) but it's going for $45 ish right now on Samsung's website. might not be a bad investment at all, even though my battery life is averaging 12 - 15 hours on a singe charge.
Serinety said:
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
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This is true. I had an Energizer battery charger that could charge my AA or AAA batteries in 15 minutes. They got very hot though. This was in the 90's.
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This is true. I had an Energizer battery charger that could charge my AA or AAA batteries in 15 minutes. They got very hot though. This was in the 90's.
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I had something like this as well. Mine had a fan on it that would attempt to keep things cool. I have an Ego lawn mower that can charge the HUGE battery pack that goes in it up by 50% in 15 minutes, and it sits on a big charging base with a huge, loud fan. That's a little different than charging a cell phone battery or AA/AAA batteries.
+1 on the fast charge thing. To me, that's revolutionary.
Fast charging is awesome, but I really don't use it. My battery life is so great the it easily lasts me the whole day with moderate usage. I usually end the day with 30+% left. The fast charging is an awesome feature, but i really have no use for it.
Someone was saying having fast charging checked depletes battery quicker. Ain't that some bs?
Has anyone given any numbers as to how slow / the rate of wireless charging is on this phone? I love fast charging but I want wireless charging as well.
I agree with a couple of these posts. I have moderate use on my phone and usually end the day at 40% or higher. However, I love having spare batteries that I can just pop in and be at 100%. Just ordered 3 plus wall charger for $20 shipped. Hard to beat having 3 full charges at hand if you don't have a chance to plug in for a while.
Battery life is great on this phone........period!!!
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Has anyone given any numbers as to how slow / the rate of wireless charging is on this phone? I love fast charging but I want wireless charging as well.
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I believe most wireless chargers are 1 amp output. The stock wall charger is 2 amp so I'm guessing it would take about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours to fully charge on wireless,I'm not expert though.
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Fast charging is awesome, but I really don't use it. My battery life is so great the it easily lasts me the whole day with moderate usage. I usually end the day with 30+% left. The fast charging is an awesome feature, but i really have no use for it.
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You'll find it helpful sooner or later trust me
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Someone was saying having fast charging checked depletes battery quicker. Ain't that some bs?
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Maybe they thought it said "fast discharging" lol
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You'll find it helpful sooner or later trust me
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I do not doubt the usefulness of it, and I know it will come in handy some days. It's just my normals days I have battery to spare.
Ever since I first got my Note 4, I've loved two things about it more than almost everything else: battery life and charging speed.
Two nights ago, I was bored and - I know, it's a strange thing to do when bored - decided to see how fast fast charging was compared to normal charging. It took my phone about 123 minutes to fully charge from 0 to 100% with fast charging disabled.
But that's not what I care about. What I care about is the fact that, before I disabled fast charging and fully charged my phone from 0, I would typically have about 10% left after a twelve hour cycle that included around 5 hours of screen-on time.
After my slower charge, I found that, after about 11 hours, I'd had my screen on for 4.5 hours, and my battery was still sitting at 55%. This improvement absolutely astounded me, and I want to encourage all of you to see how your mileage varies (or perhaps doesn't) by disabling fast charging.
I'd like to add that I've always been a huge proponent of fast charging, and I've always dismissed the common notion that it's bad for a phone's battery. But I can't ignore my own results.
EDIT: I should add that this was without power-saving mode or airplane mode enabled at any point in time. And the screen brightness was set to the same value I use generally, and not the minimum I'd use in total darkness.
I haven't used fast charge except for the first few days I had the phone. I just never needed my phone charged fast.
I can get about 6.5 hours of screen on time with around 20% battery left on power saving mode.
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I haven't used fast charge except for the first few days I had the phone. I just never needed my phone charged fast.
I can get about 6.5 hours of screen on time with around 20% battery left on power saving mode.
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I'd had fast charge enabled until two days ago because I never saw anything but advantages to it. I also should add that I don't use power saving features until I'm down to at least down to 15%. Glad to hear you're getting good performance
I only use fast charging. If I do a heavy use day, I get about 5-5.5 hours of SOT and run out. Not sure how long it lasts.
On average, I charge my phone every third day and get 4-4.5 SOT.
I think my battery life is pretty exceptional. I don't leave the phone on the charger overnight, it gets unplugged immediately and I usually put it on the charger around 15 percent.
Yes, I"m not a heavy user usually. Depends on my work load, sometimes it only lasts two days.
I remember hearing this back in the day. Users reported that trickle charging (ie. Usb to computer) would yield better battery life.
I was curious if this would be the case when I first heard about the fast charging when the note 4 was released, but I haven't tested it yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/help/trickle-charging-improve-battery-life-t2332947
I use a spare oem battery/cradle charger. Which does not have fast charging, so the battery would technically be charged slower than through the phone with fast charging. I haven't noticed any difference in battery life between the two.
Then again, my phone usage changes by the time I swap batteries.
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I guess I'm different than most. It's nothing for me to kill a battery in a work day. When I'm 50% +/- I'll plug in because I never know when I'll need a full charge or where I will be an need it. When going out of town I typically will carry at least one of my two backup battery packs.
I will keep power saving mode on and my screen at full brightness. No WiFi enabled but I do use BT from time to time.
5.5 to 6 hours usage sounds about right for me. 24-48 hours on one charge and I say someone isn't using their phone enough.... LoL
Im running Pac Rom 5.1.1 on Note 4 DE and the charger definitely makes a difference.
A "normal" charger (pretty much anything under 2.1A) will charge much slower than a 2.1A charger.
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Im running Pac Rom 5.1.1 on Note 4 DE and the charger definitely makes a difference.
A "normal" charger (pretty much anything under 2.1A) will charge much slower than a 2.1A charger.
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But have you noticed any difference in your battery life after a fast charge vs a slow charge?
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But have you noticed any difference in your battery life after a fast charge vs a slow charge?
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You guy need to repeat this charging business in a scientific test manner.
For example.
1) Discharge to 50%-80% (choose a level.)
2) Slow charge to 100%.
3) Run a loop of a video at some preset brightness, not auto, until the battery is at 50%-80% again. Note the time.
4) Fast charge to 100%.
5) Repeat 3 in the exact same way.
Then compare the times of video playback for the two charging techniques.
My guess is that if you were to do it right, you would get identical results.
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You guy need to repeat this charging business in a scientific test manner.
For example.
1) Discharge to 50%-80% (choose a level.)
2) Slow charge to 100%.
3) Run a loop of a video at some preset brightness, not auto, until the battery is at 50%-80% again. Note the time.
4) Fast charge to 100%.
5) Repeat 3 in the exact same way.
Then compare the times of video playback for the two charging techniques.
My guess is that if you were to do it right, you would get identical results.
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You'd also have to play a movie that is stored on phone and go on airplane mode, since signal strengths change power usage of radio.
Slow and steady wins the endurance race
Owners of electric rc cars/planes often charge lipo batteries to tailor their output for various track conditions. Faster higher voltage charges are more punchy and have increased output but suffer shorter run times. Slower lower voltage = milder output and longer run times.
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Owners of electric rc cars/planes often charge lipo batteries to tailor their output for various track conditions. Faster higher voltage charges are more punchy and have increased output but suffer shorter run times. Slower lower voltage = milder output and longer run times.
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Slower or faster discharge in an electrical motor depends on how much and how fast the motor can consume energy and how quickly a battery can dispense it - this relates directly to the performance of the motor like horsepower and torque. The charge used up is still the same. The amount of electricity stored depends only on the chemical composition of the battery, not on how you charge it. So faster or slower discharge still uses up the same amount of electricity - the energy stored/dispensed remains the same.
On the other hand, in a very demanding situation like RC, a faster charge can afford a faster peak discharge rate of battery. This is due to how the chemicals in LiPo batteries undergo transformations between homogeneous and heterogeneous states depending on the rate of charge. The faster the charge, the faster the maximum rate of discharge. A common misconception is that a slower rate of charge will amount to more charge stored. That is generally incorrect. Slower charging can only benefit the useful lifetime of the battery.
A display or a cpu of a smartphone are unlike an electrical motor in that they consume the same nominal amount of energy for a given task and at a very low rate. The rate of energy consumption for a smartphone is far lower than the possible rate of discharge of the battery is has.
For example, you can charge (and discharge) a battery in smartphone like S6 in about 80 minutes (and that is still FAR slower than you can possibly charge/discharge such a battery.) But the battery will last many many hours even under the heaviest load. So slower charging is pointless for smartphones.