Just wanted to post a public service here for y'all.
If you're buying a Nexus 6 and plan to activate it on Verizon, Sprint, or US Cellular, you should either buy it from your carrier of choice or from Google Play. Unless Google pulled off a miracle (unlikely), all the CDMA carriers will only have IMEI numbers whitelisted for devices sold from Google Play and devices sold by that carrier.
In other words, if you're planning to skip Google Play and instead buy one from T-Mobile at full price, then walk over to a Verizon store and activate it, it's not going to happen.
Further, if you're buying a Nexus 6 and expect to be able to activate it on any of the 5 supported carriers at the drop of a hat, buy it from Google Play and don't even consider buying it from a carrier.
If you want a more in-depth explanation, I made a video on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cCT_ifWGLs
UPDATE
Now that people are getting their Nexus 6s, we've got some more concrete information. Keep in mind that every Nexus 6 sold in the US supports CDMA. The problem is, unless you buy it from specific places, the carriers' systems won't allow activation.
VERIZON:
Verizon is not officially allowing any Nexus 6 on its network yet, however, that's only through official channels.
If you have an already-active line, you can take your SIM card (cut it down to nano size if necessary), put it into any Nexus 6 (no matter where you bought it), and you're good to go. If you need a new line of service, you'll have to activate using an IMEI number of a display device that takes a nano SIM (I'd recommend an HTC One M8 or a DROID Turbo), then once you get your SIM card, put it in your Nexus 6 and you'll be golden. And no, this is not stealing IMEI numbers. The minute that SIM goes into your Nexus 6, the display model's IMEI number is freed up. There's nothing morally questionable about this method at all.
SPRINT:
Sprint will currently allow devices sold from Google Play, Motorola, Sprint, and AT&T. We aren't sure about devices purchased from T-Mobile, or US Cellular. Since Sprint whitelists devices at network level, your MEID must be in the system in order for your device to actually handshake with the network. The Verizon trick of using an already-activated SIM card won't work for Sprint.
US CELLULAR:
USCC will activate devices that they sell, as well as ones purchased from Google Play. I attempted to activate my AT&T-purchased phone on USCC and the MEID (IMEI minus the last digit) was not in their system, therefore it could not be activated. Since USCC, like Sprint, whitelists devices at a network level, the Verizon trick of using an already-activated SIM card will not work. There is presently no word on whether or not USCC will activate phones purchased from Motorola, but I'd bet the answer is no, at least for now.
Great explanation. Thanks. I'll definitely be buying mine from the Play Store for use on Verizon.
So your implying that one cannot buy a T-Mobile Nexus and then use it on ATT? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
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So your implying that one cannot buy a T-Mobile Nexus and then use it on ATT? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
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You fail at understanding "CDMA".
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So your implying that one cannot buy a T-Mobile Nexus and then use it on ATT? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
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So you're implying that ATT is now a CDMA network? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
Given that they don't know where you bought the device..... and the fact that you can buy a device from Google, that's designed and advertised to work on all carriers..... and the fact that there is only one sku for all NA variants.... and they aren't making you choose a carrier when you order one..... This myth is busted. If I buy one from TMobile and take it to Verizon I can simply say I bought it from Google..... In which case they have to honor it because Google is selling it as compatible with all carriers.... Do you see? There isn't a "verizon" N6. If there was you would have to provide your carrier of choice at checkout. Otherwise the idea that they are comparing IMEIs is bunk.
lets say this is all true and u cant do that......what if i get from motorola site?
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Given that they don't know where you bought the device..... and the fact that you can buy a device from Google, that's designed and advertised to work on all carriers..... and the fact that there is only one sku for all NA variants.... and they aren't making you choose a carrier when you order one..... This myth is busted. If I buy one from TMobile and take it to Verizon I can simply say I bought it from Google..... In which case they have to honor it because Google is selling it as compatible with all carriers.... Do you see? There isn't a "verizon" N6. If there was you would have to provide your carrier of choice at checkout. Otherwise the idea that they are comparing IMEIs is bunk.
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seems it was the case for the N5. https://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/150262
So it is very likely the same case would happen to the N6.
I planned on buying from the play store anyways.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Honestly, anything at this point is purely speculation. I don't think you can confidently say that buying from t-mobile means your phone won't work on sprint or vzw...
I just hope vzw hasn't done something really dumb and only recognize IMEI numbers sold through THEM (not even google).
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Further, if you're buying a Nexus 6 and expect to be able to activate it on any of the 5 supported carriers at the drop of a hat, buy it from Google Play and don't even consider buying it from a carrier.
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elkay said:
You fail at understanding "CDMA".
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So you're implying that ATT is now a CDMA network? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
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Quite the contrary, I understand CDMA well enough to not consider it if it was the last technology left still in use. (Ex Red subscriber). I totally agree that CDMA providers will need to whitelist the imei#. But by the OP's quote that I highlighted he said "any of the 5 supported carriers". Last I checked, 2 of the 5 supported carriers were GSM. (AT&T and T-Mobile in case you didn't know). I specifically was saying that I call BS that a T-Mobile phone would have any issues what-so-ever starting up and working on a AT&T network. So either you'll are misunderstanding me or I am more tired than I thought and have misread the OP in which case my bad...
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Typo? No longer carrying it?
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6102470
halon17 said:
Typo? No longer carrying it?
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6102470
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I would hope typo....Still showing verizon on here.....https://www.google.com/nexus/6/
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I would hope typo....Still showing verizon on here.....https://www.google.com/nexus/6/
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Yep. I noticed that. Moto site still has cdma supported also. There better be some clarification later today. I belive VZ also told Kellex at droidlife they were going to offer the NexSix?
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Yep. I noticed that. Moto site still has cdma supported also. There better be some clarification later today. I belive VZ also told Kellex at droidlife they were going to offer the NexSix?
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Yea they sure did. I'll definitely be holding off now until I'm 100% sure it's a go on Verizon.
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I would hope typo....Still showing verizon on here.....https://www.google.com/nexus/6/
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I'm wondering if the Play Store units are only compatible with TMo and ATT. Look at the way the carriers are listed on that image. TMo and ATT are above the line with the Play Store link. The CDMA carriers are below the line on their own. That can't be an accident.
Alright guys, time out.
Every Nexus 6 sold in the US, no matter where it's purchased from, will technically work on all 5 carriers. The issue is, the CDMA carriers won't have IMEI numbers white listed for stock sold from other carriers. Based on the IMEI number of your phone, I can tell what color it is, how much storage it has, and where it was sold.
You can activate any Nexus 6 purchased anywhere on AT&T or T-Mobile because they're GSM and don't care where it's from.
You cannot buy a device from anywhere and activate it on Verizon, Sprint, or US Cellular, though. You can lie and tell then you bought it from Play but it won't matter. If you purchased your phone anywhere other than Play or the CDMA carrier you're trying to activate with, they won't have your phone's IMEI in their database, thus no activation.
As for devices purchased from Motorola, I'm not going to speculate because I have no history to go on, but I would imagine that those would be OK as well.
T-Mobile and AT&T will take any Nexus 6 sold anywhere.
Verizon will take a Nexus 6 sold from Play or Verizon.
Sprint will take a Nexus 6 sold from Play or Sprint.
US Cellular will take a Nexus 6 sold from Play or US Cellular.
It doesn't matter that your Nexus 6 that you bought at T-Mobile works fine on al the CDMA carriers (and it will). The CDMA carriers will not activate it purely because the phone won't have a whitelisted IMEI number due to the fact that it wasn't purchased from that carrier or Play. It's no more or less complicated than that.
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Given that they don't know where you bought the device..... and the fact that you can buy a device from Google, that's designed and advertised to work on all carriers..... and the fact that there is only one sku for all NA variants.... and they aren't making you choose a carrier when you order one..... This myth is busted. If I buy one from TMobile and take it to Verizon I can simply say I bought it from Google..... In which case they have to honor it because Google is selling it as compatible with all carriers.... Do you see? There isn't a "verizon" N6. If there was you would have to provide your carrier of choice at checkout. Otherwise the idea that they are comparing IMEIs is bunk.
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That sounds logical, except its not how the cdma carriers work. The iphone 4s (and now the 6 and 6 plus in the US, though sprint has a different model, but verizon uses the same model as att/tmobile) was the same model for cdma and gsm, but it wouldn't work on cdma networks unless originally purchased from a cdma network. Basically they whitelisted imei numbers to only activate iphones that were orignally purchased on cdma networks even though the model was capable of both gsm/cdma.
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That sounds logical, except its not how the cdma carriers work. The iphone 4s (and now the 6 and 6 plus in the US, though sprint has a different model, but verizon uses the same model as att/tmobile) was the same model for cdma and gsm, but it wouldn't work on cdma networks unless originally purchased from a cdma network. Basically they whitelisted imei numbers to only activate iphones that were orignally purchased on cdma networks even though the model was capable of both gsm/cdma.
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I think what a lot of people don't understand is that you can tell by a phones IMEI number where it was purchased, it's color, the storage, and model number. So you're exactly right. The CDMA carriers only whitelist the devices that they sell, and they enforce that via the IMEI number.
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Honestly, anything at this point is purely speculation. I don't think you can confidently say that buying from t-mobile means your phone won't work on sprint or vzw...
I just hope vzw hasn't done something really dumb and only recognize IMEI numbers sold through THEM (not even google).
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The only time I have ever heard of Verizon allowing a non-Verizon or non-Play Store sold device on their network is by someone having an insider connection and white-listing it. I think it's pretty safe to say that if you buy a device from T-mobile, it will not work on Verizon, unless Verizon changes the policy that is has had in place for years.
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So your implying that one cannot buy a T-Mobile Nexus and then use it on ATT? I would have to say BS in this particular scenario IMO.
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An N6 bought from T-Mobile will work on AT&T and vice-versa. The OP was specifically referring to CDMA carriers.
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another reason to believe that Sprint GN2 may not have SIM slot.
We already know that previously Sprint Photon Q (made by Motorola) have SIM internally and unremovable. Now we know that there is another Sprint device Optimus G (made by LG) that will have the exactly similar design as far as SIM slot goes. (source here)
With the previous picture purposely a leak of Sprint GN2 device showing no SIM slot, this is likely to be a Sprint own evil doing.
And BTW I'm one very pissed about this. I 'll definitely sending a snail mail to Sprint Executive Office about how pissed I'm as a consumer regarding turning an international capable device into useless crap once the device come out. I go to Thailand every year or so to visit family member and when I am there I would definitely want to use SIM there because of the local number I can use. With unremovable SIM this is no longer possible. I'm very disappointed.
That's sucks, although I don't go over seas that much.. It would be nice to have. Tell them you Ben kohn bah and your red shirt friends don't approve of this.
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Unfortunately most sprint users including myself really don't care that much although it would be great to have definitely not a deal breaker for most and most won't care. I feel your pain as I do go over seas but I don't use my sprint phone for over seas as I use my dumb phone a flip phone unlocked cheapo for traveling. But I'm in ur corner for *****in and moaning hopefully one day it will be different either way just get the damn device in stock and I'm happy
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Unfortunately most sprint users including myself really don't care that much although it would be great to have definitely not a deal breaker for most and most won't care. I feel your pain as I do go over seas but I don't use my sprint phone for over seas as I use my dumb phone a flip phone unlocked cheapo for traveling. But I'm in ur corner for *****in and moaning hopefully one day it will be different either way just get the damn device in stock and I'm happy
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It appears that this is the route they are going now. I wonder why that is? Does using the embedded SIM force you to use a Sprint International plan, for out of country use?
pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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You're right, but some CDMA phones have radios that support at least EDGE on GSM so you can still text and make phone calls overseas (and if you unlock, you could run them on Tmo and AT&T).
However, the question is if the radios will even support the EDGE GSM bands... probably not though.
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pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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All of Verizon's LTE phones have a SIM card slot and all of their recent phones also have GSM/HSPA radios for global roaming. I believe some can even run on T-Mobile and ATT's frequencies if you are lucky. But LTE will be Verizon only.
would it be possible to flash a Verizon Note 2 to Sprint in order to have one with a SIM card?
There are so much of competition in market, they skipping features users can easily find alternative. Bad for users but too bad for manufactures. They should understand
Not sure if you saw, but someone has figured out how to remove the embedded SIM in the Photon Q and replace it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32593285#post32593285
Yea, but whose brave soul gonna do that on not even a month old GN2. And that's beside the point. Seriously, to me it seem like it would cost the manufacturor even more to make the SIM embeded than regular one.
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It appears that this is the route they are going now. I wonder why that is? Does using the embedded SIM force you to use a Sprint International plan, for out of country use?
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my guess Is That and it decreases fraud. I.e. new accounts created simply to obtain discounted phones that can be used overseas ...then the accounts go bad
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I mean how many sprint phones even support GSM EDGE bands?
I don't use Sprint, so I don't know for a fact, but don't their phones usually only run on CDMA (I've only ever heard of Verizon CDMA "world-phones")
I know that the old Touch Pro 2(wm6) and Photon 4G both have dual GSM/CDMA chip in them and they both have SIM slot.
whats the significance in not having a sim card cause it seems like a good thing to me. unless its like tmobile and att network where you can get gsm phones
The significant isn't about whether it have SIM or not. I mean for most people in the US I think we can get by w/o it. I mean it's like once every year or two that people would go outside the country and can make use of it. So it wouldn't be like a final decision whether to get one w/ or w/o SIM. And you are right there are also AT&T and T-mobile. But I can say the for some people it's about the network in their local, while for other it may simply be about not going back to the service they have bad experience with. To me it's about cost, since I'm a Sprint SERO Premium account owner. But very, it's more about why walking the low path? The phone would have been technically capable of it, the chipset, modem, antana support it. This is more about why purposely redesign it to lock it down to a specific network, greed, basically.
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I know that the old Touch Pro 2(wm6) and Photon 4G both have dual GSM/CDMA chip in them and they both have SIM slot.
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Yes, the Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 most certainly had a SIM card slot. I had a few of them before making the jump to android with my EVO 4G. It was a nice feature to have on a "Business" phone, which is what the TP2 was geared towards. The productivity of the Note 2 also can be geared for Business users, a SIM slot would be of great use.
Ohh okk that makes sense. Cause I never go out of the country so its not that big of a deal for me. But I guess I'd you travel a lot it would be better to have one
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my guess Is That and it decreases fraud. I.e. new accounts created simply to obtain discounted phones that can be used overseas ...then the accounts go bad
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DING DING DING!! Bingo
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DING DING DING!! Bingo
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Apparently Verizon figured out how to do it properly as they previously have had CDMA, but now allow removable SIM cards for their LTE world-phones. Sprint is now the only provider that locks their phones down like this- it's very frustrating. I am paying for a brand new device that is inherently compatible as a world-phone, but I must buy a separate device to use over seas so that I don't get raped with Sprint's international calling/data plans. RIDICULOUS! These kind of tactics are out of the apple playbook- limit the options of your customers, so you can squeeze em.
Just finished talking to Verizon and they said that if I buy the phone in store at $199, full retail price for the Moto G, you can use it on a different CDMA carrier! So for all you people wanting to activate the G on Net10/Tracfone/Page Plus, there you go.
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Net10, tracfone, page plus, I think paygo, and others.
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Just finished talking to Verizon and they said that if I buy the phone in store at $199, full retail price for the Moto G, you can use it on a different CDMA carrier! So for all you people wanting to activate the G on Net10/Tracfone/Page Plus, there you go.
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THANKS!
The problem is where else can we get a CDMA version of moto-g besides BB/Verizon; it is not (yet) available from motorola.com. I just called them and the sale people said they have not info as to when/where/whether or not the CDMA version will be available beside BB/Verizon. And in my case, I'm interested in the tracfone BYOP (as opposed to net10/ST), and it's not at all clear if tracfone BYOP would allow moto-g (although it might be more of a tracfone issue as opposed to a MNVO issue).
I am excited to hear about this possibility. Please keep us informed if you (or anyone) managed to score a full-priced CDMA moto-g (esp the 16G one) and get activated.
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THANKS!
The problem is where else can we get a CDMA version of moto-g besides BB/Verizon; it is not (yet) available from motorola.com. I just called them and the sale people said they have not info as to when/where/whether or not the CDMA version will be available beside BB/Verizon. And in my case, I'm interested in the tracfone BYOP (as opposed to net10/ST), and it's not at all clear if tracfone BYOP would allow moto-g (although it might be more of a tracfone issue as opposed to a MNVO issue).
I am excited to hear about this possibility. Please keep us informed if you (or anyone) managed to score a full-priced CDMA moto-g (esp the 16G one) and get activated.
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I talked to Motorola on their chat and they said that they are planning on selling the CDMA version on motorola.com, presumably without any restrictions. No date yet though. If I had to guess, I would say before the end of the month, but don't quote me on that. As another wanting to activate on Tracfone BYOP, I hope it gets here soon.
This might be a stupid question, but what are the advantages of CDMA? Clearly anything I know wont apply since the last CDMA network over here was shut down in the late 90's.
I've always wondered about the CDMA/GSM war that you lot have in the US. Clearly there must be some upside or GSM would've won already.
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This might be a stupid question, but what are the advantages of CDMA? Clearly anything I know wont apply since the last CDMA network over here was shut down in the late 90's.
I've always wondered about the CDMA/GSM war that you lot have in the US. Clearly there must be some upside or GSM would've won already.
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There's really no advantage, especially since more and more carriers are moving to LTE. LTE kind of unifies GSM and CDMA with SIM cards. However, carriers that don't support LTE yet or ones that reserve LTE for their postpaid devices (Verizon and others) require CDMA devices.
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I talked to Motorola on their chat and they said that they are planning on selling the CDMA version on motorola.com, presumably without any restrictions. No date yet though. If I had to guess, I would say before the end of the month, but don't quote me on that. As another wanting to activate on Tracfone BYOP, I hope it gets here soon.
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I have serious doubts the Moto G will work with tracfone.
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I have serious doubts the Moto G will work with tracfone.
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Tracfone has a BYOP program now for CDMA 3G phones.
tracfonewireless.com/byop
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Tracfone has a BYOP program now for CDMA 3G phones.
tracfonewireless.com/byop
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Yup, I know. I'd love to use the CDMA Moto G w/ tracfone, so I spent some time interacting with their user support. They would not commit to saying it would work, so I'm assuming it won't. I don't think Verizon will allow it.
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Tracfone has a BYOP program now for CDMA 3G phones.
tracfonewireless.com/byop
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According to posts on the howards forum, except for a couple of "accidental cases" no one has been able to activative a NEW, Droid X2/Droid 3 (which are still on 2.3) CDMA 3g phone on tracfone BYOP. Now, tracfone's BYOP program is still very new and there are lots of quirks to be ironed out, and personally I really look forward to getting one myself, but for now I'm not holding my breath.
Please prove me wrong.
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According to posts on the howards forum, except for a couple of "accidental cases" no one has been able to activative a NEW, Droid X2/Droid 3 (which are still on 2.3) CDMA 3g phone on tracfone BYOP. Now, tracfone's BYOP program is still very new and there are lots of quirks to be ironed out, and personally I really look forward to getting one myself, but for now I'm not holding my breath.
Please prove me wrong.
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I was able to activate a used Samsung Fascinate with this phone number 1-800-876-5753. Don't know if it makes a difference whether it's used or not. You can plug your MEID in this website tracfonewireless.com/byop and it will supposedly tell you if it's compatible or not. Don't trust it though, as their website has never worked right for me.
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Yup, I know. I'd love to use the CDMA Moto G w/ tracfone, so I spent some time interacting with their user support. They would not commit to saying it would work, so I'm assuming it won't. I don't think Verizon will allow it.
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If you buy it at $199, Verizon can't say anything about it because you are under no obligation to them whatsoever, monetary subsidy or contractual.
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If you buy it at $199, Verizon can't say anything about it because you are under no obligation to them whatsoever, monetary subsidy or contractual.
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I'm not aware of a $199 CDMA Moto G. I know they sell the GSM version at that price, which could be used w/ other carriers, but tracfone's byop program is for CDMA only.
I'd want some evidence that it will actually work before I buy the phone, and I haven't seen it yet.
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I'm not aware of a $199 CDMA Moto G. I know they sell the GSM version at that price, which could be used w/ other carriers, but tracfone's byop program is for CDMA only.
I'd want some evidence that it will actually work before I buy the phone, and I haven't seen it yet.
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Dude, check this link.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/new/prepaid/smartphone-plans/moto-g-by-motorola+prepaid/
Notice how it says "Full Retail Price" for $199.00. Again, I confirmed this with a Verizon representative.
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Dude, check this link.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/new/prepaid/smartphone-plans/moto-g-by-motorola+prepaid/
Notice how it says "Full Retail Price" for $199.00. Again, I confirmed this with a Verizon representative.
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Thanks for the link. I clicked on it and noticed that the $199 "full retail price" version still has just 8GB of storage. That is a major bummer/ripe-off (by VZW).
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Dude, check this link.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/new/prepaid/smartphone-plans/moto-g-by-motorola+prepaid/
Notice how it says "Full Retail Price" for $199.00. Again, I confirmed this with a Verizon representative.
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What did you confirm? How can a Verizon rep confirm it will work w/ Tracfone?
I'm waiting for either a) confirmation from a Tracfone rep that it will work or b) confirmation from a Tracfone customer.
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There's really no advantage, especially since more and more carriers are moving to LTE. LTE kind of unifies GSM and CDMA with SIM cards. However, carriers that don't support LTE yet or ones that reserve LTE for their postpaid devices (Verizon and others) require CDMA devices.
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If there is no advantage, why did it survive past 3G in the US when it didn't in most other parts of the the world? Here in Sweden it was abandoned in 1996, I believe. Which puts in on par with 2G GSM. I think there is still one minor carrier that operates mobile broadband on CDMA450, but that's the closest we come to CDMA. No phones. Clearly there was a reason you didn't abandon it when we did. There must've been a reason to continue to develop the infrastructure. However as far as I know, there is no advantage in speed, call quality or coverage.
Admittedly, I have limited experience with CDMA. I've use CDMA phones three times in my life and I've owned exactly one CDMA phone. And not by choice. It was pre-installed in my work truck. Part of some fancy police crap that was useless outside the US.
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Here are some software solutions online where you have to resort to programs that run in the background to monitor wireless activities.
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Think you missed a link there, mate. Thanks though.
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What did you confirm? How can a Verizon rep confirm it will work w/ Tracfone?
I'm waiting for either a) confirmation from a Tracfone rep that it will work or b) confirmation from a Tracfone customer.
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I confirmed it can even be done in the first place. If you want to wait, go ahead. I just thought I would share what I found concerning Verizon's prepaid phones.
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If there is no advantage, why did it survive past 3G in the US when it didn't in most other parts of the the world? Here in Sweden it was abandoned in 1996, I believe. Which puts in on par with 2G GSM. I think there is still one minor carrier that operates mobile broadband on CDMA450, but that's the closest we come to CDMA. No phones. Clearly there was a reason you didn't abandon it when we did. There must've been a reason to continue to develop the infrastructure. However as far as I know, there is no advantage in speed, call quality or coverage.
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I can't speak for the technical aspects, but the largest CDMA carrier here (Verizon), while really evil, does have very good nation-wide coverage, especially outside of major cities. So if you live outside of major cities and/or travel a lot, then CDMA becomes a very attractive (and sometimes, the only) option.
(disclaimer: of course "very good nation-wide coverage" is subjective and there are certainly plenty of holes in the coverage map, so hold your flame please )
Has anyone tried to buy one at full retail price from Verizon? It is my understanding from talking to a verizon sales rep. they are not allowed to and have no means to do so.
I cannot find any carrier info on either this phone or the OnePlus One. Also, is this going to be some insider invite only thing?
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I'm almost sure that the OP2 will work on all carriers like the one
and as for the "invite only thing" - yes, you will be able to buy it only with an invite (source)
I think they're unlocked for any carrier. Until last week I saw you could buy the oneplus one without an invite only on tuesdays. And now it says no invite needed, but that's just because the 2 is going out soon. I dont know think it will be the same for the 2 at least for a few months..
Like the OPO and Nexuses, the 1+2 will work on any carrier. If anything it will have even more support for worldwide LTE.
I'd be willing to bet it won't be in CDMA carriers.
saantiago said:
I'd be willing to bet it won't be in CDMA carriers.
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Was the OPOne able to be on Verizon or Sprint?
89titanium said:
Was the OPOne able to be on Verizon or Sprint?
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No. The SD 801 is compatible with CDMA though, so I don't know why it never was, at least for Sprint. Verizon will never allow any dev friendly phones.
Don't think you will be able to have this on VZW or Sprint, they don't like to have phones that they themselves are not selling you. You'd have to get the ESN added, and they don't do that.
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I cannot find any carrier info on either this phone or the OnePlus One. Also, is this going to be some insider invite only thing?
Thanks.
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Maybe OnePlus 2 will be unlocked as OnePlus One.
The OP2 will be unlocked as it is not sold with a particular carrier. Don't expect CDMA though, that requires a different chipset (and a small company like OnePlus are going to make a few variations as possible).
Hopefully it will have the 800MHz band that the OP1 so severely lacked - it is one of the more common and the only widespread LTE band in the UK
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No. The SD 801 is compatible with CDMA though, so I don't know why it never was, at least for Sprint. Verizon will never allow any dev friendly phones.
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Not true. The Nexus 5X works great on Verizon. I think the 6P might also. I do not have that phone.
I'm looking to get the 1+2 I live n the US I have At&t does it fully support the At&t band's ?
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Now i know this is a GSM device, but I have wondered, it has the bands that support Verizon LTE network. So why can't this device be used with them?
It won't happen, unfortunately. Verizon has always been against unlocked international phones, (take the nexus and early xperia lines for example) and without a specific cmda edition, (like moto g did) this phone won't work on Verizon. I don't understand their policies or reasons, but if you are interested in phones like the 1+2 and nexus line, (you should be) do what I did and hop to another carrier (T-Mobile or att) with good coverage in your area. Its worth it to get the phone you want
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It won't happen, unfortunately. Verizon has always been against unlocked international phones, (take the nexus and early xperia lines for example) and without a specific cmda edition, (like moto g did) this phone won't work on Verizon. I don't understand their policies or reasons, but if you are interested in phones like the 1+2 and nexus line, (you should be) do what I did and hop to another carrier (T-Mobile or att) with good coverage in your area. Its worth it to get the phone you want
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I really want to, but i use too much data. I am still on unlimited and want to keep it for now. I am thinking of finding a carrier that can support for cheap.
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I really want to, but i use too much data. I am still on unlimited and want to keep it for now. I am thinking of finding a carrier that can support for cheap.
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I totally understand. On T-Mobile I'm on a 2 account plan for 100$ with unlimited talk text and LTE. It was a promo about a month ago so I'm not sire it still stands but its been incredible so far.
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but I figured it would be better to post in an existing than clutter the board with another.
I heard Verizon is possibly rolling out VoLTE, would the OPT work on it? I too have unlimited, so switching is sort of off the table currently.
Is there any issues when hooking up this phone with at&t or T-Mobile. I'm ditching my boost/sprint phone so I'll be going another prepaid route. I know in the past guys with the Asus Zenfone 2 which I say is a equal rival to this phone had issues on at&t where at&t said they may not get LTE even though the phone supports LTE. I will buying a new phone one way or another Friday. And still debating my options on GSM or CDMA. OnePlus 2, Zenfone 2, and a few others. I just don't want some suprises.
Does this take a nano sim or micro sim
Josh
wtoj34 said:
It won't happen, unfortunately. Verizon has always been against unlocked international phones, (take the nexus and early xperia lines for example) and without a specific cmda edition, (like moto g did) this phone won't work on Verizon. I don't understand their policies or reasons, but if you are interested in phones like the 1+2 and nexus line, (you should be) do what I did and hop to another carrier (T-Mobile or att) with good coverage in your area. Its worth it to get the phone you want
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The Nexus 5X works great on Verizon.
Will the Exynos variant work fine on Verizon? Will features be broken?
I am really disappointed how Verizon disabled certain apps and settings with the VZ variant. I am also really bummed out that the bootloader is completely locked.
No.
Verizon is CDMA, only CDMA phones will work. International phones are 99% GSM phones unless the specs say CDMA.
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Verizon is CDMA, only CDMA phones will work. International phones are 99% GSM phones unless the specs say CDMA.
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In addition to this, even if the hardware supports the bands, Verizon has no obligation to allow the device to access or work on their network.
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In addition to this, even if the hardware supports the bands, Verizon has no obligation to allow the device to access or work on their network.
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Actually they do have legal obligations to do so for any supported LTE devices (per FCC regulations). That said, for Nexus 7 and 6p it took a while.
Edit: So to answer OP's question, if the bands are supported on Verizon (no idea personally the diff of the two models) it should work. My rep just needed to throw in my old SIM and I was set. It's questionable though if you make it clear to the rep that it wasn't originally a Verizon issued phone.
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Will the Exynos variant work fine on Verizon? Will features be broken?
I am really disappointed how Verizon disabled certain apps and settings with the VZ variant. I am also really bummed out that the bootloader is completely locked.
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I'm wondering this too. As long as I can connect to LTE I'll be happy.
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Actually they do have legal obligations to do so for any supported LTE devices (per FCC regulations). That said, for Nexus 7 and 6p it took a while.
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Fairly certain their obligation ends at allowing their phones to be used on other networks, as without VoLTE or CDMA the phone isn't a phone and is instead a connected device, and they can block it on a phone line due to not being able to call 911. I could be mistaken though.
The 6/6p/5x all have CDMA, the 7 isn't a device you can call from, though I'm not familiar enough with it to say if it has a CDMA modem or not.
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I should clarify, since there's technicalities. Carriers are legally obligated to allow emergency calls on their devices, and they are obligated to network-unlock their devices so that they can be used on other carrier networks. You can also roam on their network, if Verizon has an agreement with your carrier and you have active service through your non-Verizon carrier, but they don't have to allow full access to their LTE network. However, they still reserve the right to deny activation of devices using Verizon SIMs.
Case in point, try activating a T-Mobile or even a Global LG G4 on Verizon, and they will block it. If I could activate a global version to get an unlocked bootloader, and have it work on Verizon, I would have done this 6 months ago. If I can get a bootloader unlockable S7 on Verizon, then I'm buying one ASAP.
Bumping this up, instead of a new thread. Disappointed in the SD820. Wondering if anyone ever got a G930F to work on Verizon? I don't care about CDMA, as I rooted and used ServiceMode to set the phone to LTE Only.