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Nexus 4 Benchmarks that are all over the place?

Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?

Your phone is throttling. Your first benchmark will normally be your fastest. I that's how it was for me anyways.

I've also had the same experience. It is certainly due to throttling.
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Welcome to thermal throttling. I recommend a ROM with the Bionic patches (there is an otherwise 'stock' AOSP ROM with these in the dev section, I'm not a stock ROM user so I haven't any experience with it) and you should notice AnTuTu scores going up to 20k+ and a noticeable boost to actual usage. If your device will under volt well (most will do at least -100mV AFAIK) you may mitigate the throttling to some extent without compromising stability however I don't recommend disabling the thermal protection as is possible in some kernels due to the red light death issue. Throttling is only really noticeable when you benchmark back-to-back. It's not a massive issue in most real-world use. I suspect it will become more and more noticeable on newer devices as device manufacturers and SoC designers are forever scrambling to provide the best performance within the thermal constraints of a smartphone. As idle and low load consumption goes down with new processes, full load GPU and CPU thermals are forever increasing!

PA tweak improves benchmarks
I have to agree with you on this. The stock gave me an score of 17K (antutu). stability curve was all over the place in stock. switching to PA did not help much either, the scored went down to around 14K. yesterday i got an update from PA and flashing that gave me a boost of 18991. some good tweaks from PA i guess.

MrKickstand said:
Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?
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Lmao cold boob!
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MrKickstand said:
Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster.
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You are making faster a device which already is one of the FASTEST devices on this planet?
maybe because i did it on a cold boob
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LOL:laugh:

See if it's a governor problem, set it to performance and see if it levels out. GPU scores on antutu vary by @ 1000 marks, so take that into account too.

[Q] Performance difference from different kernels on different roms

Hi,
I've noticed a huge performance difference between kernels and the roms they're used with.
For example:
I was using AOKP and Franco kernel and got around 20000 antutu points, I've switched to Carbon Rom (because of the build in pie control) and Franco kernel and only get around 13000 points, that's a huge difference.
As a test I've installed Matr1x-kenel on Carbon and get around 21000 points.
I really like Franco-kernel and all the tweaks it offers but don't like the huge drop in benchmarks, I know benchmarks are not a real representation of actual performance but it's still a big difference.
This also occurs in Quadrant and Geekbench.
So my question is why does this happen?
Aren't most roms supposed to be compatible with most kernels?
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.

I can't answer your question as to why that happens (no doubt someone else will) but you seriously should just stop bothering with benchmarks and use your own eyes and experiences as a measure of how good a kernel/ROM is. I doubt you could find a kernel which made the phone visibly slow or that affected usability so I don't see what your concern is tbh.

Thanks for your answer.
Yeah, I read that a lot on XDA, don't trust benchmarks...I understand that but they must have some meaning.
I mean, if not why do they exist or do people bother using them?
To be honest I don't really notice any real performance difference between most kernels I've tested.
Best regards

some roms include many optimizations(like skia/dalvik, krait optimizations, and others), while some dont. its not thekernel thats crapping out on you, its the rom.
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Nigeldg said:
I can't answer your question as to why that happens (no doubt someone else will) butcomseriously should just stop bothering with benchmarks and use your own eyes and experiences as a measure of how good a kernel/ROM is. I doubt you could find a kernel which made the phone visibly slow or that affected usability so I don't see what your concern is tbh.
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your eyes can be decieved.. they can see whats happening in the ui for example, but you can not see the complex calculations that are being performed or how your cpu is really performing. you can have a slow device whos ui is quick.

OK, I can understand that not all roms are equal but why does changing the kernel have such a seamingly big impact?
If a rom is bad to begin with it should stay that way no matter what kernel you use with it.
Offcourse what do I know, I'm not a developer so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on...
Best regards

Pihkal said:
OK, I can understand that not all roms are equal but why does changing the kernel have such a seamingly big impact?
If a rom is bad to begin with it should stay that way no matter what kernel you use with it.
Offcourse what do I know, I'm not a developer so my knowledge on the subject is limited.
I'm just trying to understand what's going on...
Best regards
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kernels vary too, and they impact greatly because they control just about everything in the phone, kinda like a brain. since the kernels themselves vary, one kernel might be better set up than another to deal with certain code from a certain rom. and then also, every phone reacts differently to each kernel(and roms to a point). thats why its recommended to try out different kernels, combos. only then you can find the perfect combo for you/your device. what works great for somebody, can be lousy for another.

OK, so if i understand correctly it boils down to this:
1. You can do benchmarks but don't base your opinion on just the benchmark scores.
2. Roms can vary greatly in optimizations and efficiency of coding.
3. Kernels can also vary greatly in optimizations and efficiency of coding.
4. There's no such thing as a "best for everyone rom/kernel combo".
5. Not all roms/kernels play equally nice with each other.
6. Play around with as many roms / kernels as possible and decide what works best for ME based on MY experience.
Thanks for the advice.
Best regards.

Its been well over a year since I ran any benchmark of any sort but I tested Franco and carbon because that's what I'm on and you mentioned low scores. I'm on Franco m3 with some tweaked settings and carbon nightly from 7-5. Antutu gave me 20636. I'm using stock CPU and GPU frequencies.

username8611 said:
Its been well over a year since I ran any benchmark of any sort but I tested Franco and carbon because that's what I'm on and you mentioned low scores. I'm on Franco m3 with some tweaked settings and carbon nightly from 7-5. Antutu gave me 20636. I'm using stock CPU and GPU frequencies.
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Maybe the nightly Carbon rom is more optimized?
I'm on Carbon 1.7 Stable and used Franco nightly 162 to test with.
When I benchmark I try to be as consistent as possible ie same temperature, performance governor, airplane mode etc.
I even cooled my Nexus in the freezer for some minutes to eliminate thermal throttling (yeah I know, watchout for condensation) but still got the same low scores.
Best regards.

Pihkal said:
Maybe the nightly Carbon rom is more optimized?
I'm on Carbon 1.7 Stable and used Franco nightly 162 to test with.
When I benchmark I try to be as consistent as possible ie same temperature, performance governor, airplane mode etc.
I even cooled my Nexus in the freezer for some minutes to eliminate thermal throttling (yeah I know, watchout for condensation) but still got the same low scores.
Best regards.
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It might be, I didn't do anything special. I left all my background apps running, didnt close anything in the recents, didn't cool the phone first. I just downloaded it and hit start. I use the interactive governor tweaked a bit, and I also tweaked the hotplug settings so it more readily onlines all 4 cores instead of waiting for some of the higher loads to trigger it.

username8611 said:
It might be, I didn't do anything special. I left all my background apps running, didnt close anything in the recents, didn't cool the phone first. I just downloaded it and hit start. I use the interactive governor tweaked a bit, and I also tweaked the hotplug settings so it more readily onlines all 4 cores instead of waiting for some of the higher loads to trigger it.
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Well, I had to try it myself so I did a factory reset, cleared system,data and dalvik, installed latest carbon nightly.
With stock kernel I almost reached 21000 points, with franco I barely get 17000 points.
Very strange...
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I stand corrected, did a second benchmark and am now getting 20880 points...

are you benchmarking with your cpu speed benchmarked set as highest and lowest cpu speed? you should. if you dont put the same cpu speed as highest and lowest then itll scale up and down. if it scales, you dont actually know what speed its testing and it gives you inconsistamt scores. you want the cpu speed to be the same throughout the test.

When I benchmark I set the governor to performance, this should keep the cpu running at maximum speed without scaling unless I'm mistaking...

Pihkal said:
When I benchmark I set the governor to performance, this should keep the cpu running at maximum speed without scaling unless I'm mistaking...
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meh, performance is the worst for benchmarking. its such a deceiving name. try either ondemand or interactive. set your cpu speed to be the same high and low.

simms22 said:
meh, performance is the worst for benchmarking. its such a deceiving name. try either ondemand or interactive. set your cpu speed to be the same high and low.
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Woow, that's a great tip, I now get 22003 points with Matr1x-kernel.

Pihkal said:
Woow, that's a great tip, I now get 22003 points with Matr1x-kernel.
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better :highfive:

[ANTUTU] 4.1.2 Vs 4.3 Vs 4.4 (DALVIK & ART)

I wanna share with you some benchmarks I did... with Antutu.
The winner is.... Samsung 4.3 ROM ! :angel:
Warning: the ART score with the 4.4 is not accurate; I had several gapps & gallery crashes while testing the GPU score... but look at the CPU and Dalvik score...
Comparison here:
COMPARISON IMAGE

nice info!

n0my said:
nice info!
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It seems like GPU works better with the 4.3 samsung rom... but I don't think the score is cheated.... I noticed that Chrome, Facebook and everything involving pinch to zoom, pan, etc operations on some content, it's way smoother with the 4.3 sammy rom.
:victory:

I had different experience myself.
I have n7105 and was on sammy 4.1.2 that came with the phone.
No lags, the zoom in and out was lag free. very smooth.
Updated to CM 10.2 JB 4.3.1 and it gave severe lag problem on browser zoom in and scrolling.
Now on unofficial CM 11 Kitkat 4.4. Now its a lot better than the 4.3.1.

ART is kinda in an Alpha stage but... that said i't's performing wonderfully for me (except not compatibile apps). I think that actually antutu isn't accurate at benchmarking with ART but i've seen an enourmus improvement:good::good:

danyuhuh said:
ART is kinda in an Alpha stage but... that said i't's performing wonderfully for me (except not compatibile apps). I think that actually antutu isn't accurate at benchmarking with ART but i've seen an enourmus improvement:good::good:
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Sure... I don't trust antutu, I posted the comparison because lot of people ask about benchmarks on it!
I think it's a good news that they are working on making Android more efficient, so let's wait :victory:

What is the 'normal' Antutu benchmark value for stock 4.1.2?
Mine is only 16,412 really far from 20,000+ as shown in the OP's 4.1.2 ROM benchmark.
I am wondering if my low benchmark is because of the eMMC that just got replaced. The thing is that eMMC brickbug check says the chip date is 06/1997 which sounds really old...

Not sure what value this has at all... Oh wait I am, extremely little to none. Sorry OP but you need a far robuster test to give any insight and draw any conclusions. Not having a go, just saying what I see.
Benchmarks are better for comparing phones, hardware differences and of cause kernel tweaks / over clocking / under-voting. Not particularly useful for comparing ROM with ROMs. Try battery rundown tests, signal quality, camera quality, and other common daily use activities if you want to compare ROMs with one another.

EmptyArea said:
Not sure what value this has at all... Oh wait I am, extremely little to none. Sorry OP but you need a far robuster test to give any insight and draw any conclusions. Not having a go, just saying what I see.
Benchmarks are better for comparing phones, hardware differences and of cause kernel tweaks / over clocking / under-voting. Not particularly useful for comparing ROM with ROMs. Try battery rundown tests, signal quality, camera quality, and other common daily use activities if you want to compare ROMs with one another.
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I feel like you replied that thread just to make polemic.
Maybe you didn't read the thread title.
I zoom it for you:
[ANTUTU]
4.1.2 Vs 4.3 Vs 4.4 (DALVIK & ART)
NOW, do you understand? It's just an ANTUTU SCORES THREAD.
Just read over the forum board, in about every kitkat thread people ask for benchmarks on ART.
Well, I did some on antutu (it's not just a try, it's a medium value) and I shared with others.
Benchmarks are not unuseful. They are an information like others to understand how is evolving a platform.

dvn2008 said:
What is the 'normal' Antutu benchmark value for stock 4.1.2?
Mine is only 16,412 really far from 20,000+ as shown in the OP's 4.1.2 ROM benchmark.
I am wondering if my low benchmark is because of the eMMC that just got replaced. The thing is that eMMC brickbug check says the chip date is 06/1997 which sounds really old...
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With the latest Antutu they changed the algoritms and now Note 2 scores much higher than before.
With the previous versions I scored about 17000. Try the latest release (with cold phone, to prevent thermal throttling).
Neak kernel make some difference, but not too much... just about 500 points or less, over the stock kernel.

I have 21800 with super stock rom lol. Odex without root or anything else....4.1.2
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i thought 4.4 have better ram management.
thanks for sharing

Try out latest Devil Kernel !
latest Devil Kernel has new Samsung GPU Drivers ! on Antutu I get a score around 23k !

Note_two said:
latest Devil Kernel has new Samsung GPU Drivers ! on Antutu I get a score around 23k !
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On what rom?

it´s CM 11 unofficial by xda member "Thddude"

A good comparison

[Q] What is wrong with my SM-G900F's performance?

First of all I did not root the device, the frimware I am running on is G900FFXXU1ANE2
These my benchmark results from Antutu
http://i.imgur.com/hxArJRD.png
And my biggest complaint about it is the performance in gaming especially in GTA San Andreas.
What can I do to make it smoother? Because I see people getting scores that range from 37K to 40K.

LifeLessGT said:
First of all I did not root the device, the frimware I am running on is G900FFXXU1ANE2
These my benchmark results from Antutu
http://i.imgur.com/hxArJRD.png
And my biggest complaint about it is the performance in gaming especially in GTA San Andreas.
What can I do to make it smoother? Because I see people getting scores that range from 37K to 40K.
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Perhaps your power saving mode is on?

LifeLessGT said:
Because I see people getting scores that range from 37K to 40K.
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Aside from whether the difference is meaningful, you haven't done anything to optimize your score. So of course someone who has rooted, debloated and tweaked their phone configuration will score higher. For all you know they may also be overclocking or practicing with Photoshop as well.
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Nope, my power saving mode is off.
And well I did try to disable/delete apps that I don't really use like the junk that comes with the carrier, but that didn't help at all.
And I hah, PS'in the Screenshots might be the case, but I don't really like overclocking. I just want to game on my phone without any hickups

Flash a custom rom and I hope you will see a difference. As the Stock Rom isnt really optimized as much as custom roms. GL Sir!
I hope you will find your answer .:fingers-crossed:

Benchmark score dropped!

Hi I'm highly satisfied with my oneplus 5 and I like to show off my benchmark scores. Recently my benchmark has only been around a little over 150k when I use to score 185k sometimes 190k. Anyone know why this is? I do have xposed framework installed but I even switched my Rom and tested it and still got only 155k. I don't notice any drops in performance I would just like to know what the issue may be. Thanks guys

182k on No Limits 3.4 rom with Franco kernel v7.
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182k on No Limits 3.4 rom with Franco kernel v7.
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That's exactly what I'm running it's very frustrating

Hey,
Your processor scores significantly less than it should, usually it scores around 40000 on the oneplus 5.
Maybe it's underclocked?
Please upload a screenshot with more details, like this one:
Best regards,

Most probably the highest frequency of big.little is stuck at an lower frequency. Go to developer options in ROM and turn on overscale CPU usage, then run Antutu again and see what's the highest frequency(s) you got while running. If it doesnt go above 2457mhz (cluster 2) than it makes sense why your score is low. Also check your "i/o" scheduler and "read ahead buffer size" in your kernel tweak app. This can also affect your score.
Besides all this, don't run Antutu with low battery this affects the score for sure.

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Most probably the highest frequency of big.little is stuck at an lower frequency. Go to developer options in ROM and turn on overscale CPU usage, then run Antutu again and see what's the highest frequency(s) you got while running. If it doesnt go above 2457mhz (cluster 2) than it makes sense why your score is low. Also check your "i/o" scheduler and "read ahead buffer size" in your kernel tweak app. This can also affect your score.
Besides all this, don't run Antutu with low battery this affects the score for sure.
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Thanks for the help I'm going to reflash my rom and see if it helps.

Benchmarks are what they are... Anyway I've tested with stock kernel and it's giving even more:
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vegoja said:
Thanks for the help I'm going to reflash my rom and see if it helps.
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reflash, keep it clean, full charge, put it in the freezer pluged-in. andddd hit 188000 :good:

I wouldn't get too caught up in the whole benchmarks thing. They don't always translate to real world performance; I would rather show off my phone's snappy interface (i.e. quick app loading, navigating menus, etc.)
I personally think that's worth showing off more than just numbers that appear on an app!
Just my two cents though, you're free to disagree and do what makes you happy of course

rickysidhu_ said:
I wouldn't get too caught up in the whole benchmarks thing. They don't always translate to real world performance; I would rather show off my phone's snappy interface (i.e. quick app loading, navigating menus, etc.)
I personally think that's worth showing off more than just numbers that appear on an app!
Just my two cents though, you're free to disagree and do what makes you happy of course
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Yea I don't notice any less performance so I'm not too worried about it. I do wonder how my big cluster got set to 1.9 ghz tho as I haven't messed with the tuning of my kernel seems to try to set it as default. But like I said I have xposed, a couple of audio mods, and gravity box. I'm bound to have some unwanted side effects from it.

vegoja said:
Yea I don't notice any less performance so I'm not too worried about it. I do wonder how my big cluster got set to 1.9 ghz tho as I haven't messed with the tuning of my kernel seems to try to set it as default. But like I said I have xposed, a couple of audio mods, and gravity box. I'm bound to have some unwanted side effects from it.
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Fair points! Kind of off-topic but I'm just curious as to how you went about installing Xposed? Are you using the Magisk module or did you flash via TWRP?

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Fair points! Kind of off-topic but I'm just curious as to how you went about installing Xposed? Are you using the Magisk module or did you flash via TWRP?
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It is an option to flash with xXx Rom but Ive flash the purify xposed zip via TWRP. I've also used the systemless xposed from magisk but I believe it only works if you already have xposed installed.