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Audio Quality of the Note 3- SD800 vs EXY5420

We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.

wiimonkey9 said:
We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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S800 has a the Qualcomm DAC at least from my experience with the xperia z ultra, but I might be wrong .
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hiya,
from what iv heard so far the s800 version will have the qualcom chip. I tried getting in contact with the editors from engadget who were at IFA 2013 to ask this very question &got zilch. iv tried tweeting Samsung & Sony about the audio DACs in the zperia z1 &the galaxy note 3 &u guessed it..... nothing. the person I have spoken to is a recognised Dev here at xda &he says that the sound for the note 3 will be as good as u can get, but probably for the exynos version.
I hope this helps

Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.

thekoRngear said:
Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.
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Well, it should still support that "hifi" audio, so it can't be that bad. Plus, at E3 Qualcomm was showing off the audio of the SD800 which sounded pretty damn impressive to me at the time. I don't doubt that the audio quality will be good, but I'm worried that I won't be able to use audio mods like voodoo or viper4android.

wiimonkey9 said:
We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.

rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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The speaker is on the bottom for the Note 3. But, ummm.... When people talk about audio quality, they are talking about it with headphones. Nobody expects speakers to sound like a 7.1 surround sound system on a phone.

rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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LOL! Audio quality and phone/ tablet/laptop speakers! Ever heard quality stereo set up?

you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....

I have not listen to music on my phone since I've upgraded to the GN1.
I'm always paranoid that the power will run out on me before I get home since I listen to quite a lot of music when I'm out.
So I'm using a sansa + portable amp atm, and it's great!
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seraphism said:
you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....
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If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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betoNL said:
If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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agreed Mr beto. I was on a serious rant that day lol. iv decided to bide my time. any phone company would be all too happy to sign me to yet another contract for another 2 years. I think I might just wait until my good old nexus one completely gives up before I use another phone. the isn't actually too bad with viper4audio lol. I don't actually think the exynos one will be available on any carrier on my country, as its only 3g enabled as far as I'm aware? the snapdragon one is lte enabled which is what the great communication gods of the united kingdom are deciding to push as hard as they can. I don't think I could afford to buy it outright. ~£700 is alot of money.... thank you for your advise anyway.

No bad choice.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p5.php

This what what GSMArena said in their latest preview of the Note 2, with their audio testing as well:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_3_preview-review-986p5.php
The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 showed exceptionally clean audio output in our audio quality test. The phablet posted some of the best scores we have seen in both parts of the test and garnished them with decent volume levels. It's not the loudest we have seen, but it's loud enough for 99% of the occasions.
Impressively, there's virtually no distortion when you plug in a pair of headphones. Except for the minor bump in stereo crosstalk the output is barely affected.
And here go the results so you can see for yourselves.
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Hard to believe the DAC of the Snapdragon model can match the Wolfson one
I prefer to wait and see what Supercurio will say about it and then I will be doing my own comparisons at the showrooms.
I hope it will get close...
Here is Holland it will be much easier to get the S800.
If I decide to go for the Exynos, I will probably need to make a short trip to Germany...
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wow, if what gsmarena say is correct then Mr Barry is indeed correct..... well that means audio in all upcoming Snapdragon phones should be about on par with wolfson audio chips?..... I.e the audio in snapdragon socs should in theory get.even better? jeez, snapdragon is really pulling out all the stops..... huzzah! its about f****** time!

However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900

it looks like there may be hope yet. I'm sorry for asking but who is supercurio? I tried looking for info but I'm finding only voodoo stuff. is he like doomlord of the xperias? anyhoo, if anyone is interested I went to my local three store today to ask about the note 3. the advisor there said it should be available on three in the uk from 25th September. on a 2 year "the one plan" contract it would be £37 per month with £100 up front, I'm guessing that's for the 32gb note 3. time to raid the ol' piggy bank guys!

I hate to break it to you guys, but just having a Wolfson does nothing whatsoever to ensure high quality sound. Stated differently: having a Wolfson DAC rather than the Qualcomm DAC does not in and of itself mean one variant of the Note 3 will sound better than the other.
Because of the original Galaxy S and Voodoo Sound, Wolfson have a totally irrational following amongst Android users. Don't get me wrong, Wolfson make great DACs, but the DAC in a device is only part of the equation - how it is implemented is also really important. Case in point is the LG 2x Vs the Galaxy S. Both have the same DAC, only even with Voodoo Sound the Galaxy S has incomparably better sound quality (as measured and heard by Supercurio). Why? Implementation. There are lots of elements that go into implementing a DAC well - RF shielding from other components (the 2x has horrible CPU noise that intrudes all over the sound), how the power supply to the DAC is governed, the output impedance of the device (which is determined by more than the DAC alone, output impedance was the main problem with the Yamaha DAC'd S2 - it was 10ohm which meant unless your headphones/earphones had an input impedance of at least 80ohms the mismatch caused wonky frequency responses, big problem given virtually all IEMs have an input impedance in the 16-50 range), and what the software layer does with sound (the Wolfson-packing S4 Octa upsamples everything to 48KHz, which negatively impacts fidelity). There are probably lots of other things I'm not aware of that have a bearing that are external to a devices DAC.

That's another reason I would never pre-order an expensive device, besides trying avoiding those abusive pre-order prices :
I like to take my time and do my own comparison tests before buying anything, disregard all that technical mambo-jambo and expert reviews.
All those sellers of the showrooms I visit, are already used with me, bringing my headsets and playing hours with different devices and comparing them.
It's fun anyway, and in the meantime, the amazing sound of my Wolfson/Voodoo/MegaBass Beats powered GNote2 will do just fine....
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Quality of the speakers

How do the speakers compare to those of the Note 2? I'm discussing in terms of both loudness and audio quality. Are there distortions at maximum volume? Is the quality comparable to the top HTC phones?
The Note 3 had some pretty lackluster speakers, and they were a downgrade compared to those of the Note 2.
On that note, will the DAC for the Qualcomm version be their integrated sound solution and the Wolfson DAC again for the Exynos versions?

Of course you know not a single one of these has been sold yet, so how can you ask a question like this?

If it's like S5 it will be louder than my z2. Let's wait and see.

I hope it's at least as good as the Note 2. I felt like the Note 3 speaker was a downgrade in the loudness department.

In that Russian review they stated the Note 4 speaker was louder then the Note 3 one.
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mardukeme said:
In that Russian review they stated the Note 4 speaker was louder then the Note 3 one.
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thats a huge achievement LOL

sauron0101 said:
How do the speakers compare to those of the Note 2? I'm discussing in terms of both loudness and audio quality. Are there distortions at maximum volume? Is the quality comparable to the top HTC phones?
The Note 3 had some pretty lackluster speakers, and they were a downgrade compared to those of the Note 2.
On that note, will the DAC for the Qualcomm version be their integrated sound solution and the Wolfson DAC again for the Exynos versions?
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I just checked out the Note 4 at a local Best Buy and I'm happy with everything, but the speaker.
It is indeed louder than the Note 3's, but not by much. It has great highs, but the midrange is tinny sounding and nowhere as full or as loud as my LG G3's speaker. I rely heavily on the speakerphone so this was a disappointment, but I'll buy the phone anyways.

Keep my htc m8 or buy Note 4?

hi guys, i am a happy owner of a htc one m8, the device is the fastest i've used and UI is a lot smooth. i also loved note 4 when i played with it in a samsung store. But i have some concerns about this device.
1-how is the UI performance in day to day use? in my m8 the UI is fast, no lag at all, but i know TW is heavy and i am a bit worried. mainly because i saw this video from flossy carter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYuj2NSZZ0#t=851 . in 14:11 the device completely crash.
2-here in Brazil i just have the option to buy exynos version SM-N910C. is not clear anywhere what is dac it is using and if camera sensor is sony or samsung isocell, and which one is better.
3-how loud do you guys can record video without distortion? my other previous devices everytime i am with a place with high volume sound the audio distorts with bass, but with my m8 is clear, also iphones and some lumias don't have this problem. does note 4 have this problem?
4-how speaker audio compares to htc m8?
5- how is the battery life? it can reach 8 hours of screen on time with continuous usage?
6-how is the outdoor visibility?
is a lot of questions because i like my m8, and don't want to regret if i buy note 4. thanks.

leandronb said:
hi guys, i am a happy owner of a htc one m8, the device is the fastest i've used and UI is a lot smooth. i also loved note 4 when i played with it in a samsung store. But i have some concerns about this device.
1-how is the UI performance in day to day use? in my m8 the UI is fast, no lag at all, but i know TW is heavy and i am a bit worried. mainly because i saw this video from flossy carter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYuj2NSZZ0#t=851 . in 14:11 the device completely crash.
2-here in Brazil i just have the option to buy exynos version SM-N910C. is not clear anywhere what is dac it is using and if camera sensor is sony or samsung isocell, and which one is better.
3-how loud do you guys can record video without distortion? my other previous devices everytime i am with a place with high volume sound the audio distorts with bass, but with my m8 is clear, also iphones and some lumias don't have this problem. does note 4 have this problem?
4-how speaker audio compares to htc m8?
5- how is the battery life? it can reach 8 hours of screen on time with continuous usage?
6-how is the outdoor visibility?
is a lot of questions because i like my m8, and don't want to regret if i buy note 4. thanks.
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I was an M8 user for quite some time before getting Note 4 and I'm pretty sure I can answer all of your questions:
1. M8's peformance is definitely smoother than N4's. Not that you'll notice daily lag or something, but TouchWiz is just so much heavier than Sense that the hiccups always come out in different parts of the UI.
2. I own an N910C as well and I am pretty sure it use Samsung's ISOCELL camera. Is it better than the Sony one found in Exynos? No idea. As far as the camera quality goes compared to M8, it's pretty much the same: selfies and normals are amazing and they look even better on the amazing QHD display, but M8's HDR and low light performance beats N4.
3. Never really had any problems with audio distortion on videos but I'm pretty sure with the additional microphones Samsung has put in, it should be a pleasant experience.
4. Nobody can beat M8's boom speakers at the moment in the market. N4's speaker is obviously nowhere better than stereo speakers of M8, but it's not too bad either.
5. 8 hours of screen on ? Whoaaa, dream on! Every N4 user has difference battery performance from what I saw on the forums, but I can assure you around 3-4 hrs of SoT. Fast Charging kinda makes up for that.
6. Since N4 has an AMOLED display, it always struggles in daylight visibility. However it is better than any other AMOLED display before and while it might not be better than M8's, it's still not gonna cause you a lot of problems in direct sunlight.

quadlt said:
I was an M8 user for quite some time before getting Note 4 and I'm pretty sure I can answer all of your questions:
1. M8's peformance is definitely smoother than N4's. Not that you'll notice daily lag or something, but TouchWiz is just so much heavier than Sense that the hiccups always come out in different parts of the UI.
2. I own an N910C as well and I am pretty sure it use Samsung's ISOCELL camera. Is it better than the Sony one found in Exynos? No idea. As far as the camera quality goes compared to M8, it's pretty much the same: selfies and normals are amazing and they look even better on the amazing QHD display, but M8's HDR and low light performance beats N4.
3. Never really had any problems with audio distortion on videos but I'm pretty sure with the additional microphones Samsung has put in, it should be a pleasant experience.
4. Nobody can beat M8's boom speakers at the moment in the market. N4's speaker is obviously nowhere better than stereo speakers of M8, but it's not too bad either.
5. 8 hours of screen on ? Whoaaa, dream on! Every N4 user has difference battery performance from what I saw on the forums, but I can assure you around 3-4 hrs of SoT. Fast Charging kinda makes up for that.
6. Since N4 has an AMOLED display, it always struggles in daylight visibility. However it is better than any other AMOLED display before and while it might not be better than M8's, it's still not gonna cause you a lot of problems in direct sunlight.
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So are you happy with your decision? there is something in your m8 that you miss now?

leandronb said:
hi guys, i am a happy owner of a htc one m8, the device is the fastest i've used and UI is a lot smooth. i also loved note 4 when i played with it in a samsung store. But i have some concerns about this device.
1-how is the UI performance in day to day use? in my m8 the UI is fast, no lag at all, but i know TW is heavy and i am a bit worried. mainly because i saw this video from flossy carter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYuj2NSZZ0#t=851 . in 14:11 the device completely crash.
2-here in Brazil i just have the option to buy exynos version SM-N910C. is not clear anywhere what is dac it is using and if camera sensor is sony or samsung isocell, and which one is better.
3-how loud do you guys can record video without distortion? my other previous devices everytime i am with a place with high volume sound the audio distorts with bass, but with my m8 is clear, also iphones and some lumias don't have this problem. does note 4 have this problem?
4-how speaker audio compares to htc m8?
5- how is the battery life? it can reach 8 hours of screen on time with continuous usage?
6-how is the outdoor visibility?
is a lot of questions because i like my m8, and don't want to regret if i buy note 4. thanks.
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Hello
I went from the M8 to the Note 4, and while I don't regret my decision, the M8 in its own right is an amazing device and does trump the Note 4 in a few areas. My advice to you is stick with what you have, it's already a great device and you could swap it with an S6 or M9 down the line.

M8 would be smoother with the UI. I have a note 4, it's brilliant. It's really just an all-rounder. But ultimately what made me choose it over getting an M8 was my need for the s-pen. I'm a digital artist, and I use sketchbook pro on my note 10.1, and using dropsync I can now sync my projects between both devices... I'm super happy with this. Again, I would have probably bought the M8, or Z3 cause of the smoother UI if I didn't need the stylus. Enjoy your phone sir, it's one of the best out there

Moving from M8 to Note 4, good idea?

Hello!
As I am deeply deceived by the M9 (reviews) and I want a crisp and bright screen as well as the best camera, I think of taking a Note 4 or Edge.
Though I still need some clarifications:
-The reviews are saying the Note 4 can reach about 750nits with automatic mode, so is it better than M8 under direct sunlight?
-There a total confusion about the Exynos version, does it have a Sony or Isocell camera?
-How good is the audio quality over wired and BT earphones?
-Anyone tried to use S6 theme installer on Note 4?

vegetaleb said:
Hello!
As I am deeply deceived by the M9 (reviews) and I want a crisp and bright screen as well as the best camera, I think of taking a Note 4 or Edge.
Though I still need some clarifications:
-The reviews are saying the Note 4 can reach about 750nits with automatic mode, so is it better than M8 under direct sunlight?
-There a total confusion about the Exynos version, does it have a Sony or Isocell camera?
-How good is the audio quality over wired and BT earphones?
-Anyone tried to use S6 theme installer on Note 4?
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1) Yes, you will be able to see your Note 4's screen under direct sunlight clearly. It's way better than the M8's screen
2) Exynos version comes with Samsung's own ISOCELL camera.
3) From my experience, there were absolutely no delays using BT earphones. I personally didn't use wired earphones during calls because it will blow your ears up. It's sooo loud and it is a pain to adjust it to the right volume. Overall, fantastic and crystal clear. It's so clear that my friend was able to hear my footsteps.
4) I did not try this.

LTE-X said:
1) Yes, you will be able to see your Note 4's screen under direct sunlight clearly. It's way better than the M8's screen
2) Exynos version comes with Samsung's own ISOCELL camera.
3) From my experience, there were absolutely no delays using BT earphones. I personally didn't use wired earphones during calls because it will blow your ears up. It's sooo loud and it is a pain to adjust it to the right volume. Overall, fantastic and crystal clear. It's so clear that my friend was able to hear my footsteps.
4) I did not try this.
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I couldn't find a review of Exynos Isocell camera Note 4, ae you sure it's not Sony?
I understood the mention of Isocell was a bug in previous software on Note 4, after a certain update the Note 4 Exynos was giving Sony name

no i dont think so
audio quality is far best in m8
i hate the note 4 in earphone audio quality with my solo hd beats it was fantastic with one max
and the m8 boom speaker is fantastic i hope you talk m9

rowihel2012 said:
no i dont think so
audio quality is far best in m8
i hate the note 4 in earphone audio quality with my solo hd beats it was fantastic with one max
and the m8 boom speaker is fantastic i hope you talk m9
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Snapdragon Note 4 is worst than M8 for audio quality but people at Head-Fi told me the Exynos Note 4 is superior to M8 because of Wolfson DAC, no?

vegetaleb said:
I couldn't find a review of Exynos Isocell camera Note 4, ae you sure it's not Sony?
I understood the mention of Isocell was a bug in previous software on Note 4, after a certain update the Note 4 Exynos was giving Sony name
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http://www.gsmarena.com/the_galaxy_note_4_with_exynos_chipset_has_an_isocell_camera-news-10330.php
I am pretty sure it's ISOCELL.

LTE-X said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_galaxy_note_4_with_exynos_chipset_has_an_isocell_camera-news-10330.php
I am pretty sure it's ISOCELL.
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But from the link you posted, in the users comments:
wrong news from 1 months ago , just dig up more before writing news,it's an software issue, ALL VERSIONS of note 4 have sony sensor....
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my N910C note4's rear camera's sensore was original samsung isocell before last update but now has a different name in this test (sony) just after this update!!!!!!!!!!!!
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vegetaleb said:
Hello!
As I am deeply deceived by the M9 (reviews) and I want a crisp and bright screen as well as the best camera, I think of taking a Note 4 or Edge.
Though I still need some clarifications:
-The reviews are saying the Note 4 can reach about 750nits with automatic mode, so is it better than M8 under direct sunlight?
-There a total confusion about the Exynos version, does it have a Sony or Isocell camera?
-How good is the audio quality over wired and BT earphones?
-Anyone tried to use S6 theme installer on Note 4?
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1. Note 4 screen is not as bright or as readable as the M8 and I have both. In direct sunlight note 4 is hard to read auto or not.
2. Mine is Sony. Pictures come out great good or low light.
3. Audio quality and volume is average over wired and BT. Well below that of M8.
4. No sorry.

Jonathan-H said:
1. Note 4 screen is not as bright or as readable as the M8 and I have both. In direct sunlight note 4 is hard to read auto or not.
2. Mine is Sony. Pictures come out great good or low light.
3. Audio quality and volume is average over wired and BT. Well below that of M8.
4. No sorry.
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How come? Note 4 is 750 nits in auto mode +5 while M8 is limited to 480, my M8 can be sometimes difficult to read at ski and beach
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my note 4 cant see any thing under sun light
z ultra was great under the sun light

910u is far superior to the m8. no comparision.

rowihel2012 said:
my note 4 cant see any thing under sun light
z ultra was great under the sun light
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Not a direct comparison with M8 but this video shows how bright the screen in under sunlight compared to iphone 6

[Q] going to buy note 3. need honest answer?

hi all. i am going to buy a new phone i only have two options.. Either galaxy note 3 or galaxy s5. which phone should i buy??
My only preference is great camera and loud sound... so please tell me which is better s5 or note 3??

You should get a hold of one before thinking of buying it because, it is a big phone compared to the S5. I've upgraded from a Galaxy Alpha to the Note 3 and wow that thing was huge...
Also, fingerprint scanner might be a thing that you want to look into.
As far as camera and soundwise, the Note 3 hasn't ceased to amaze me with the sound quality and loudness when using earphones, this coming from a person who has enjoyed the iPhone's DAC extra loudness.
And the camera is just amazing, really great camera performance on the Note 3. You do have more pixels on the S5 but... yeah, from my experience, nothing to point out.

Ok i bought n9005 used and i m too happy. . Its an excellent device great battery great camera