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Hello XDA,
I'm not really sure if such a thread is allowed, but I'll give it a shot anyway (if it ain't, lock it please).
I was almost ready to get an X10, when a friend told me he is running Android on his iphone.
So I'm like:
X10: 4" screen (NO MULTITOUCH FFS)
Android (1.6 FAIL, and it can almost run normally on an iphone and 2.1 later on ??? why the hell not 2.2 ?!)
1GHz Processor (hell yeah!!, that's a huge plus for the X10) <--- EDIT: THIS IS NOT IRONIC !
8MP camera is win win
iPhone:
3.5" screen (obviously smaller than X10's)
iPhone OS seems really good (plus it can run Android....almost)
CPU is worse than X10's
HUGE amount of apps ('specially when you jb it)
So please give me some replies about my thoughts and feel free to add something.
Thanks in advance!
~sekibun
sekibun said:
Hello XDA,
I'm not really sure if such a thread is allowed, but I'll give it a shot anyway (if it ain't, lock it please).
I was almost ready to get an X10, when a friend told me he is running Android on his iphone.
So I'm like:
X10: 4" screen (NO MULTITOUCH FFS)
Android (1.6 FAIL, and it can almost run normally on an iphone and 2.1 later on ??? why the hell not 2.2 ?!)
1GHz Processor (hell yeah, that's a huge plus for the X10)
8MP camera is win win
iPhone:
3.5" screen (obviously smaller than X10's)
iPhone OS seems really good (plus it can run Android....almost)
CPU is worse than X10's
HUGE amount of apps ('specially when you jb it)
So please give me some replies about my thoughts and feel free to add something.
Thanks in advance!
~sekibun
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If multitouch is everything for you. then buy a ****ing iPhone, geeze..
The screen on the x10, is bigger and more bright than the iPhone's. The screen does also have a higher resolution as well, as it being bigger.
Why don't people stop ****ing crying about it having version 1,6? jesus.. Buy an iPhone then! Or a Nexus one!(It will get version 2,2 this week).
You seem kind of ironic when it comes to the cpu, of the x10...
In my opinion, is the x10 better than the current iPhone(s).
The only thing that I do like better when it comes to the iPhone, is the games on the iPhone's application store.
edit: Neither do I like the design on the iPhone that well. They do have almost the same design on all theyre phones. the exeptions are 2g and 4g. 3gs and 3g looks exactly the same. the front of the phone is basically the same on all the iPod touch's and iPhones.
Personally I don't care about multitouch. So for me the only thing better in a iPhone is that it's tougher and feel more solid but only because it don't have a removable back cover and that come with a price. You can't change an iPhone 16 gb xd card for a 32 gb or have many xd card and change them as you like. You can't change the battery and I don't like the way to put the sim card in. I know a lot of peoples with iphone and i'm the only one with a x10. For me x10 is way better than a iPhone.
MobileTux
You ask for serious replies, then you say things like "FFS" and "FAIL!!!!"
Go away, troll.
As you yourself pointed out that X10 has better hardware in every aspect, so then the only remaining thing is the software aspect of the phone. Well when I bought this phone I was pretty sure that we will be able to root it pretty soon, quite unfortunately though, it turns out to be not true. Well I am pretty sure SE is noticing the frustration among us (some of us are even thinking of selling this phone). I hope pretty soon we will have the flashing tool we need for rooting.
After rooting, the remaining comparision lies between Android and iphone UI. Well that's another topic entirely, the way Android apps are growing, I am pretty sure we will catch up to iphone by the end of this year. And UI wise, well..... I haven't seen their OS 4 yet. I am pretty sure it's great, but if not Android 2.2 then 2.3 will beat it , yep I am pretty sure about that.
Dear sekibun,
This is my first post in this forum.
I used Iphone for almost 6 months and I was so happy with it. However, on my past days I used only SonyEricsson mobiles starting from P Series (P900i then P910i then P990i then P1i). When I heard that SE going to release X10i with android OS, I immediately sold my Iphone and I bought X10i. To be honest with you. I am more than happy with X10i. It is definitely better than Iphone in the following aspect:-
• SIZE, LOOK AND DISPLAY. -- WITHOUT ANY DEBATE --
• CAMERA. -- WITHOUT ANY DEBATE --
• Faster GPS and better Bluetooth.
• Timescape/Mediascape UI build-in app which make your phone alive. Plus all my friends they get impressed when I show them.
• Smoother and faster internet browser.
I noticed that a bit X10i is slower than Iphone, However, it does not get slower even than if you run 25 applications in the background plus you are browsing internet and listening to wireless fm.
You don’t have to agree with me. But was my experience when I switch from iPhone 3GS to Xperia X10 .
the only good thing about iphones , that they never dies ,even the first released iphone still gets updates till now
Hardware on paper looks nice. But thw software on thy x10 doesn't take advantage of the phone. I would wait for root or 2.1 update if I were you.
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sekibun said:
Hello XDA,
I'm not really sure if such a thread is allowed, but I'll give it a shot anyway (if it ain't, lock it please).
I was almost ready to get an X10, when a friend told me he is running Android on his iphone.
So I'm like:
X10: 4" screen (NO MULTITOUCH FFS)
Android (1.6 FAIL, and it can almost run normally on an iphone and 2.1 later on ??? why the hell not 2.2 ?!)
1GHz Processor (hell yeah, that's a huge plus for the X10)
8MP camera is win win
iPhone:
3.5" screen (obviously smaller than X10's)
iPhone OS seems really good (plus it can run Android....almost)
CPU is worse than X10's
HUGE amount of apps ('specially when you jb it)
So please give me some replies about my thoughts and feel free to add something.
Thanks in advance!
~sekibun
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I've used both the 3gs and the x10. The x10's screen is gorgeous compared to the iPhone's as the pixel density and the size is greatly improved. Web browsing wise, the x10 is also about twice as fast at rendering websites. Now usability wise, the x10 belongs in the gutter of smart phones. Selecting small links in the browser is a huge pain and a lot of times when you mean to scroll in the browser the phone will open a link instead. The music player is beyond incoherency and just lacks all sorts of functionality while the iPhone uses the true and tried iPod format. Application wise the Android lags behind and x10 is even worse as a lot of apps do not support the 1.6 system. Without root, the x10 is even less customizable compared to a jailbroken iPhone. In conclusion, the x10 have a supierior hardware but it does not have the software needed to even make the everyday usage not frustrating -_- the iPhone is not as powerful, but it just works.
almaqdad, lifeflayer (and the others) ty for your answers.
first of all, i'm not ironic towards the x10's hardware.
don't know what to write lol.
i think i'm leaning towards the x10, but still not 100% sure.
waiting for more replies,
thanks !
~sekibun
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the only good thing about iphones , that they never dies ,even the first released iphone still gets updates till now
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No, it doesn't. The first iPhone will not be getting the 4.0 update. The iPhone 3G will not be receiving multitasking, or a few of the other new features of the update.
Same for the iPod touch.
Only the new models will get the full updates.
The Problem of the iPhone is the lack of Multitasking! I have both here an Iphone and an X10. The iPhone doesnt make me happy.
Simple expample. I'm on icq and receive an sms. To read the sms i must close icq (it doesn't stay in the background) and so i loose the icq messages sent in the meanwhile.
This is the problem with everything. it's solved through push notifications, but that has nothing to do with multitasking and won't work in icq for example, because if you simply closes the program icq server thinks you're still online and all messages send in this time are sent to /dev/null ^^
Second problem is that apple always wants you to use iTunes. You can't simply copy songs etc. off the phone (only the one that you buyed in iTunes). You're also not allowed to send songs through Blutooth to friends etc.
The iPhone OS seems to be pretty smart and like apple users say "snappy", BUT use it for a while and you see all the limitations of this OS (even with Jailbreak). If you are okay with this the iPhone is a good choice. If not choose an Android phone.
The only point which is a PRO an iPhone is multitouch, but I never needed it till now.
For me the X10 is much better than the iPhone.
So choose on of your friend and play with his iPhone for a couple of hours and you will see if its good for you or not.
-Bin4ry
Here is my 2 cents.
iPhone is limited by its hardware.
X10 is limited by its software.
In the long run, X10 will only go as far as the developers at SE make it go. So potentially, it could be one of the best Android phones on the market.
This is where it won't even compete with the iPhone.
iPhone is already proven to be a success. It's OS is super good and smooth. X10's OS is laggy and basically cripples the phone with its limitations.
Technology should be here and now. You want to have everything now, not later. And the problem is that the wait doesn't give what the end-users what they want - the current best thing.
So is the iPhone better than X10? Right now it is. And when iPhone 4g comes out, X10 would be eating the dust from Apple and other Android phones.
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Thank you for your answers once again !
One question though; isn't the new update coming to the iphone providing multitasking ('cause this really is a big problem). If I finally pick the iphone, I'm getting the 3gs, so I'll be able to get the latest version of the OS right ?
Also, what arcticreaver said; I want (we all do) my features here and now !
From what I read on the forums, we are not even sure if the X10 will ever be root-able.
Ahh and by the way, do we know when iphone 4g or w/e it's called is coming out ?
~sekibun
Think about that and google for "Fast App Switch" on Iphone OS4.0
There is NO MULTITASKING in Os 4.0.
It's similar to Android but not so good. The OS 3.0 frezzes the Apps and send them so background (similar to Android) if you wanna use them they are waken up. BUT you can't let active apps in background, this will not be possible even with OS4.0, Apple only allows 2 more apps for real multitasking. There are still the same problems with OS4.0 than before. Only the apps start faster because they are frozen in background.
ICQ e.g. still won't work in background.
-Bin4ry
What's with all the bashing of the x10s software? It has some little lags sometimes but every smartphone has these kinds of lags. My jb iPhone was kinda slow and the browser crashed when surfing complex websites due RAM limitations. The iPhone is good for using as a mobile music and videoplayer. An Android device is good for nearly everything.
The x10 is not that bad with the 1.6 Android os. Multitouch is overrated. The browser experience is great. It's no problem for me to click the smart links on forums like xda. It was a pain in the ass with iPhone and hd2.
If you get an iPhone 3gs now you also could use the x10. The x10 maybe has some little limitations with Android 1.6 but the 3gs lacks hardware...
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Now and Future
I have both of devices compared (Iphone and X10).
The size of both are the same, visible screen is juste larger than Iphone.
Speed :
User Interface speed : Iphone is faster and smoother
Web Speed : Android Web Browser is faster, but less reliable than Iphone,
but i think it will be better with Android 2.2
Applications : look the same, but X10 is more beatyfull
Application Store :
the Iphone AppStore is beter, more beautyfull and more reliable.
Install and Uninstall is more userfriendly on Iphone (i don't know how to uninstall on Android)
X10 Specific :
Camera (Photos) : One word ... Beatyfulll !!!! It quality is nearly my APN
Sony N1 (8.1 Mp too)...
->Iphone's Camera is very poor !!!
Videos : Beautyfull too !!! Actualy with 800x480/30is... Nearly a Midle
quality Numeric Camescope... And Sony Promess a 720p
Reacording with the next update Android 2.1...
->CyCirder is good, X10 is so far better..
Sound : Beauty full too... Realy Better than Iphone... but actualy not so
userfriendly like iPhone... Headset is very good quality
->Iphone's sound is good, but X10 is so far better...
I'm realy wait someone find a solution to be root on this device !!! Or hope to have the lastest Update (2.2)...
I don’t understand why people making so much big deal with a small limitation that Xperia X10 have with android OS 1.6 which incomparable with big problem that Iphone does with multi-tasking.
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No, it doesn't. The first iPhone will not be getting the 4.0 update. The iPhone 3G will not be receiving multitasking, or a few of the other new features of the update.
Same for the iPod touch.
Only the new models will get the full updates.
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but it has been updated for along time may be 4 years of updates
Bin4ry said:
Think about that and google for "Fast App Switch" on Iphone OS4.0
There is NO MULTITASKING in Os 4.0.
It's similar to Android but not so good. The OS 3.0 frezzes the Apps and send them so background (similar to Android) if you wanna use them they are waken up. BUT you can't let active apps in background, this will not be possible even with OS4.0, Apple only allows 2 more apps for real multitasking. There are still the same problems with OS4.0 than before. Only the apps start faster because they are frozen in background.
ICQ e.g. still won't work in background.
-Bin4ry
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Some applications are allowed to run in the background, like skype, or the messenger applications.
Other applications like games and such are not allowed, and are instead frozen as you said.
Atleast, this is how I understood the whole thing.
Root is hard than bricking the iphone. (does it mean a better security from SE)
The rest people know...
If you post this kind of topics in a XDA X10 specific forum, you should see what are the replies coming ...
As much as i don't like general Apple marketing strategy, i am not that cocky as many other WM and Android users that will surely tell you things like... Android rules!!!!! Get your iWhatever and go play with your useless toy!!! YEAHH!!!
In the end, i think each platform is targeted to a whole different market. Hard to say X is better than Y... it depends much on the point of view you compare from...
Agree!!!!
Iphone is for lemmings
WM and BlackBerry is for Business People
Android is for moders, hackers, people that like to be unique
Symbian is still out there but sadly its dying slowly
Moved is too short!
iPhone = users that are new to smartphones.. it's simple, easy to use and no customization involved other than changing wallpaper. Turn it on and you're ready to go.
Windows Mobile: A lot of features.. so many features which makes it hard to use or in other words, need to spend more time to get used to it.
Blackberry: Business users
Android: A bit of both of iPhone OS and Windows Mobile. It's easier to use than Windows Mobile but have the features which allows a lot of customization. I would say it's a hybrid.
I got both. The Iphone 4 16GB and the X10i. I have to say that both are awesome in design, usage and speed. But I love the X10 more because of the known reasons: modding, not every kid got one, Sony and 1 or 2 more.
But as we all know: savours differ.
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I got both. The Iphone 4 16GB and the X10i. I have to say that both are awesome in design, usage and speed. But I love the X10 more because of the known reasons: modding, not every kid got one, Sony and 1 or 2 more.
But as we all know: savours differ.
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How does camera quality compare ?
bLack_Q said:
I got both. The Iphone 4 16GB and the X10i. I have to say that both are awesome in design, usage and speed. But I love the X10 more because of the known reasons: modding, not every kid got one, Sony and 1 or 2 more.
But as we all know: savours differ.
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Please compare in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711062
I don't know if it's a fair question. From what I see, there's no perfect phone on the market. Everyone has their own use cases and some devices will be a better fit for some people than others. I think you'll find that both devices are excellent smartphones regardless of what you choose.
Ultimately, you have to make the decision for yourself of what is a better fit for you. The best thing you can do is make a list of your own requirements of what you expect from your phone in terms of actual usage scenarios and then map that against the features of any particular phone.
In cases like the USA, the iPhone 4, while awesome, is less attractive because you can only use it to its full potential on a crappy network that now has limited data plans (AT&T).
I don't even consider the two products in the same category since they have such different end-to-end experiences. The original poster may want to describe in a phone so people can offer more helpful customized responses.
I don't believe in iPhone anymore (also I own MacBook and previous owner for the iPhone)
Please take your time in reading the below articles about the new iPhone and give me your feedback
Holding the phone in a wrong way
http://www.gsmarena.com/you_are_holding_your_iphone_4_the_wrong_way_you_know-news-1763.php
Yellow Spots on the screen
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_4_launch_day_stories__yellow_spots_spotty_reception-news-1761.php
Shame on Apple, my advice to them is to concentrate only on Laptops/PCs/Ipod but mobiles NO
vrs2610 said:
Agree!!!!
Iphone is for lemmings
WM and BlackBerry is for Business People
Android is for moders, hackers, people that like to be unique
Symbian is still out there but sadly its dying slowly
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totally agree with you
Another articles regarding the Apple Hardware (supposed to be anti-scratch)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Apple-iPhone-4-be-careful-not-to-drop-it-article-a_12131.html
I'm a real Sony fan but I just got the iPhone 4 and I can tell you now the iPhone 4 blows the x10 out of The water. the battery life is stellar, Tue camera is way better for the average user, the camera is quicker, hd video recording is flawless. The iPhone 4 games are just brilliant, there is nothing sluggish in the iPhone 4s software. The x10 has way more issues than the iPhone 4. The whole antenna thing has been blown way out of proportion and there are no yellow screen issues on mine. The only thing I miss are the widgets and the Google integration. If SE sort Tue problems out real quick then I will go back to the x10 as I love the hardware, but until that day comes The iPhone 4 wins.
Sent from my iPhone 4.
jkr284 said:
I'm a real Sony fan but I just got the iPhone 4 and I can tell you now the iPhone 4 blows the x10 out of The water. the battery life is stellar, Tue camera is way better for the average user, the camera is quicker, hd video recording is flawless. The iPhone 4 games are just brilliant, there is nothing sluggish in the iPhone 4s software. The x10 has way more issues than the iPhone 4. The whole antenna thing has been blown way out of proportion and there are no yellow screen issues on mine. The only thing I miss are the widgets and the Google integration. If SE sort Tue problems out real quick then I will go back to the x10 as I love the hardware, but until that day comes The iPhone 4 wins.
Sent from my iPhone 4.
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Hang on, you say the iPhone 4 is divine in it's epicness yet you still will return to the X10 once some minor bugs that are already fixed are sorted? Yikes.
For me as a developer the iPhone isn't even a choice atm, releasing software for it is akin to trying to develop blindfolded and deaf. You can't ask others for help, you can't read up on the requirements for distributing your apps etc.
I used to be an iPhone developer but I went to the better platform for good a while back. It may be "slicker" for the average user but for me as an information political activist and developer it's a defínite no go.
yep I'm a Sony fanboy at heart, my house is full of Sony gear!
I'm just not that die-hard that I have to stick with the x10i until generic firmwares, 2.1 etc is out, and am pretty annoyed at how se smartphone users get ignored, and also where's he promised Psn integration on all newest phones 2010 onwards. Sent from my iPhone 4
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yep I'm a Sony fanboy at heart, my house is full of Sony gear!
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Just my 2 cents... Sony Ericsson =/= Sony
I think most of the stuff at SE is directed more by Ericsson whereas Sony just licenses some media features like walkman brand etc.
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Just my 2 cents... Sony Ericsson =/= Sony
I think most of the stuff at SE is directed more by Ericsson whereas Sony just licenses some media features like walkman brand etc.
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That's pretty much it. Ericsson has been making phones for 30+ years, it was just recently that they were bought by Sony and started tacking on the walkman bits. The phone department is just Sony by name or association, it's all Ericsson.
Posted some pics in the comparison thread. Check them out.
The iPhone always leaves something to be desired. It's such a great platform but there are tiny quirks that make it unbareable to use. The limitations that Apple imposes angers me to no end!!
The iPhone is a phone that could ALMOST rock the mobile market but it doesnt. That's why I moved to using Android phones. There are less limitations and much more freedom. There isn't as much support or popularity but the communities online are much more tighter knit and there are far less idiots and fan boys. I love everything about Android
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I'm a real Sony fan but I just got the iPhone 4 and I can tell you now the iPhone 4 blows the x10 out of The water. the battery life is stellar, Tue camera is way better for the average user, the camera is quicker, hd video recording is flawless. The iPhone 4 games are just brilliant, there is nothing sluggish in the iPhone 4s software. The x10 has way more issues than the iPhone 4. The whole antenna thing has been blown way out of proportion and there are no yellow screen issues on mine. The only thing I miss are the widgets and the Google integration. If SE sort Tue problems out real quick then I will go back to the x10 as I love the hardware, but until that day comes The iPhone 4 wins.
Sent from my iPhone 4.
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Enjoy your iPhone 4 that can't use widget, can't use the phone as an external harddrive, can't use it as a real web browsing device because it doesn't have flash, can't decide over you own phone because Apple have to decide what's best and not so good for you.
Oh also, have you seen this?: http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/p/idont-list.html. Again, enjoy your iPhone 4 lol.
Now, you say you can get much more batterytime with the iPhone 4 over the XPERIA X10?. Ok, tell me how many hours you can get out of the iPhone 4 before it's out of power?.
I know even before you tell me this that my XPERIA X10 just blows your iPhone 4 out of the water in battery time.
And when your gonna use the phone as a web browsing device, for GPS, and to watch movies then 4 inch screen -> 3.5 inch screen any days.
Oh i heard your pictures that your transfering over via iTunes looks just beautifull lol. Try and zoon in on your pictures after they are moved over to your iPhone 4 via iTunes.
Isn't that cool?.
Now tell me something iPhone 4 have that my Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 doesn't have?.
ANTI-FANBOY DISCLAIMER:
I am aware that I am on a forum full of people that are geared towards a single OS (Android) and who are more likely than not very biased about which is "better" and which "sucks". I am aware that many are not platform agnostic and have not learned to be objective about different ecosystems. Thus, I am anticipating the possibility of anti-apple comments. Oh well.
Anyways, I just wanted to create this side note to say that I'm platform agnostic for everything and have just about every major commercial platform (Windows/Mac, Android/iOS, Wii/PS3/360). So when I do this comparison I am naturally doing it without fanboyism, although my bias does seep through as I naturally have different preferences than others (just a fact of life, different people like different things). However, I try to be as objective as possible.
Hey all,
I'm sitting here with my black Galaxy Note 16GB and white iPhone 4S 64GB and have been thinking about the two a lot lately, mainly comparing them and considering which I should go with. So here's a comparison:
iPhone 4S
TLDR: The thing "just works" with zero hassle, low time requirements to get what you need done, and pretty much everything that you want software-wise is more than satisfied.
Superior:
- Better UI interface (more intuitive, logically laid out, refined, etc) for pretty much every part of the phone
- A little more smooth in terms of performance
- Does multitasking MUCH better and it is easier to use multitasking. Its quite usual to have about 10 to 15 apps going in the background and being able to comfortably switch between them. That's simply not possible on the Note on 2.3.6 (stock firmware) or is much more difficult to do thanks to the multitasking switching method (recent apps window) and the large RAM/CPU demand of many android apps.
- Cloud sync, if you have a mac, is absolutely wonderful and works better than expected. It just works. No hassle, minimal (almost zero) setup and maintenance time.
- The sound quality on the 4S is MUCH better.
- App store is fantastic, has better apps than the Android. This can't be emphasized enough as there are numerous apps on iPhone that simply have no equivalent in terms of quality. For me, the major ones are the office suite (Keynote, Pages, Numbers) as well as a class manager app called iStudiez. I've tried the equivalents on Android and I have found them to be not up to the quality where I would be willing to use them (bad aesthetics, lacking functionality, doesn't "just work with zero hassle")
- I have zero worries about viruses, malware, etc on my iPhone
- if you know other people with iDevices running iOS 5, then FaceTime/iMessage is great.
- I like that the iPhone uses white for a lot of the background colour. The black backgrounds for the settings, messages, etc on the Note really depresses me and makes the screen seem small.
- Camera is better, and it has better anti-shaky-cam functionality. 1080p video works great and the phone handles it wonderfully. I am able to record lectures in class perfectly.
Inferior:
- The hardware is just not as good as the Note. Screen is claustrophobic/postage-stamp-size and hampers full use of the best apps (Pages, Keynote, Numbers).
- The OS and apps don't take advantage of the resolution. It might as well have a 320 x 480 resolution.
- Some people may not like that its not very customizable. I don't mind it because the stock experience is pretty much perfect. I don't HAVE to change anything. On the other hand, I don't GET to.
Galaxy Note
TLDR: Great, but not as good as the 4S in terms of software (which cripples the phone). But, this will be fixed in time and I doubt even the iPhone 5 will be able to beat the Note once the software becomes even close to being on par.
Superior:
- Hardware is wonderful. The screen allows me to use the phone in a much more advanced, useful way - especially for browsing the web. I have been reading my etextbooks on my Galaxy Note quite regularly and prefer reading off of it rather than my actual physical textbooks. That really goes to show that the Note has an amazing screen because I don't want to read my etextbooks off anything else - and I have some amazing displays at my disposal: a 17" macbook pro screen, a 17" alienware R2 RGBLED screen (best screen ever made IMO), a 27" Thunderbolt display, etc.
- S-Pen is pretty useful just with the stock apps, and I can't wait until iAnnotate comes out along with other apps.
- The OS allows me to customize it more. I don't really like this as I have a tendency to waste my time looking for good upgrades for it, but some people might.
Inferior:
- App store has very few Apps on par with the iPhone editions of them. There are some good ones but generally the quality is lower than the iPhone app store. This is the biggest con. I can't express how much this affects my use of the phone. I can't use the phone for office capabilities because polaris is glitchy, looks bad, and isn't optimized for the screen size, and there is no alternative to iStudiez that is on par with it (already tried class buddy, it's quality is not high enough to be useful to me).
- Stock experience of Android is good but is showing its age compared to the iPhone. ICS should fix this but it won't fix the lack of great apps.
- Camera is not as good, and I can't seem to take 1080p videos over a certain file size. I can't record lectures with it due to the file size thing.
- Viruses on android. My mom got her email hacked because of some stupid malware app (she has a Note and 4S too, but sold her Note because of the security vulnerability and her bad experience with getting hacked).
This review is kinda short but I don't have much free time lately as I am very busy.
The major let down for me was the app store for android. If it was on par with the iPhone app store then I would use the Note over the iPhone even though iOS is superior to Gingerbread. Though this shouldn't be around forever (I give it about two or three years before they are on par), but its crippling the phone for me.
So, what I've ended up doing is using both phones. I use the Note for internet, and the iPhone for everything else. I await the day when I can dump the iPhone as i prefer the hardware of the Note. My prediction is that ICS and its stylus support will encourage more devs onto the platform and will result in better apps, but to what degree I'm not sure. Even if it doesn't immediately result in more good apps coming out, I'm sure that within two or three years the iPhone app market will be saturated enough to persuade developers that they will get more money from Android.
EDIT: I figured out a while ago what the solution is: Buy the Galaxy Note and an iPod Touch and tether the two with wifi while on the go. It gives the best of both worlds for not all that much money (especially if you get a used iPod touch).You get the App store on the iPod touch and the hardware of the Note.
- Liquid
Does multitasking MUCH better and it is easier to use multitasking. Its quite usual to have about 10 to 15 apps going in the background and being able to comfortably switch between them. That's simply not possible on the Note on 2.3.6 (stock firmware) or is much more difficult to do thanks to the multitasking switching method (recent apps window) and the large RAM/CPU demand of many android apps.
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You really don't understand how Android multi-tasking works, do you? Or how it works on iOS, for that matter.
Im not going to bother reading it but I can tell by the longer list of "superior" items under the iphone that android is not for you. Dont want to make this a vs thread but you have no idea what your talking about. You and mom(viruses) should give up android.
Theres a reason I wont allow my wife or mom to purchase a android device. My wife uses a iphone4 and ipad2 daily. Theres absolutely nothing a iphone does better than sgs, sgs2 or note.
Funny thing is family and friends go crazy over all my android devices. With everything they can do. Christmas day, with all my friends over, watching movies/games thru mhl, and the million other things that entertained us. Bought my wife the ipad 2 for christmas and after a weeks time, the only thing that was even fun was the camera mirror photo booth app.
Out of the box android is superior to iphone. Jail-broken iphone only tries to mimic android. Funny thing is my winmo 6 devices were superior to android/iphone years ago.
and android doesnt have a app store lol.
1. 4S is can NOT be jailbroken, the devs are not even close to a solution.
2. Siri, is a gimmick and send all the voice data to apple for processing, this in turn increases your data usage.
3. The visible hardware is unchanged from iPhone4 and Androids have moved ages ahead.
4. iPhone4S has some Simcard issues. Loss of network is the result.
5. The iPhone UI is unchanged since the first 2G. Thats a lot of years of using the same UI. Most people didn't upgrade to 4S from 4 (including me) as the external form factor and the UI was the same. I just couldn't justify spending a bomb on a new fone that looks exactly the same and has the same interface.
6. Theme support? You can not put winterboard or dreamboard ,if you are not jailbroken.
7. iMessage although a nice concept has its own issues. It doesnt come close to Whatsapp or Blackberry Messenger.
The positive things about an iphone is the the resale value due to the novelty value is good and the Accessories that are available. Like the Indash DVD unit of my car syncs to ipod/iphone the Kicker music dock syncs to iphone/ipod etc.
Apple with iPhone 5 will really have to come up with something radical to catch up with the droids i believe.
Edit : How could i forget iPhone are marred by the fact that iTunes exists.
PS. I'm not a Droid fanboy, i used to be a apple fanboy.
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You really don't understand how Android multi-tasking works, do you? Or how it works on iOS, for that matter.
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It might be right, that LiquidNitrogen have no idea about dalvik, JVME or JIT-Compiling. What he does is: He is sharing his experience with both devices and the point is, that LiquidNitrogen loves the "no hassle" thing and uses the devices stock - like thousands of people do!
His arguments are only subjective and not scientificaly prooved and thats what apple is turning in to their business: they create products with zero-hassle-experience! Even my Mom could use an Iphone, and she allready has problems using a TV Remote
For me, i like hassle. I want to customize the look of my device and utilize it for doing what i want to, since WinMo 5.0... Android is just perfect for me.
I allways used big screen devices like HTC Universal, Dell Streak, etc.
I cannot understand how apple can sell a poststamp-sized-screen-phone for 700 bucks.... and: i would never buy this device since iTunes is an "must-have" thing. I hate iTunes, there is nothing worse than iTunes. my sister calls me once a week: "i just downloaded a video in .flv format, how can i make iTunes sync this with my iphohe?" you guys know what i mean ;-)
I don't have an iphone, but I thought your post was pretty objective.
Of course, this being the internet, you'll get flamed no matter what you do.
Some things I'd comment on:
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pretty much everything that you want software-wise is more than satisfied.
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Software is always personal choice. I think as long as you have facebook, twitter, and angry birds, you satisfy 95% of the general public. That's a slight exaggeration, but not by much actually.
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I like that the iPhone uses white for a lot of the background colour.
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I absolutely hate white backgrounds since It's just a battery drainer.
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- The OS and apps don't take advantage of the resolution. It might as well have a 320 x 480 resolution.
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I assume you mean fonts/buttons are still large - this is a result of the small screen. Even on the note, some tablet apps are just too painful to use. The text is just too small.
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I don't mind it because the stock experience is pretty much perfect. I don't HAVE to change anything. On the other hand, I don't GET to.
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See 'the paradox of choice'
- Frank
This post made me laugh. The iPhone having better multitasking? Really? No. the iPhone freezes your app that's "open" and there is no "multi tasking" it's monotasking with an icon to reopen where you were.
Cloud sync? Really? I haven't had to backup my contacts in years. Nor my calendar. I have sugarsync and dropbox, mostly sugarsync since I have a paid account with them, for my desktop. I also use it on my phone. It automatically backs up pictures and videos and any folders I want every day on my terms: wifi, plugged in. I don't see "cloud sync" as a pro for iOS. Especially not since it JUST came out. I've been syncing since my blackberry days to Google Contacts and Calendar.
Data usage on the iPhone is also a lot higher. Your email app for example loads emails AGAIN and AGAIN every time you open the email you want to see! Great way to lose data on silly things.
I used an iPhone 4 for almost a year, (that's a long time for me, check my signature), and I liked it but I got SOOO bored :
Tiny screen (not small, TINY...)
UI was so outdated, even though smooth. I'd prefer functional over esthetics. On my Notes desktop I have widgets for everything I need, and direct shortcuts to everything else. In 2 clicks I have wifi, gps, volume, etc. Access to a ton of features. Turning on / off wifi on the iphone is a pain. I'd imagine they did it on purpose as to be too much of a pain to turn it on and then you'd just use your data connection, use more data, and get carriers more money (back to the constant reloading of data)
Games were fun! But they were on such a small screen that text was almost illegible.
Multitasking took FOREVER. Many times I would want to reload an app, and since it wasn't made for saved-state, it would reload! And then there's the whole RELOADING of the app entirely if your ram ran out and your phone decided to recycle it completely while still showing that it's running.
Regardless, I DO agree that the iPhone just works. I also find that they made a huge profit margin on the same product (iphone 4 --> 4s) due to the same frame, screen, memory, buttons, etc.
That's a huge waste for us. Don't people want innovation? Choices? Apple gives you 1 iphone a year, with the same form factor, and the ONLY thing you can choose is memory and color. What if you could only get a car in 2 colors, and if it's a v6 or v8? Everyone would hate that. I think apple limits technology. I do believe Apple does do some things right though: user experience. Just because I love to tinker doesn't mean others do. Cameras, they have fantastic cameras in their phones. And that's about my limit. Ohh... and hyping a device They're good at that, too. haha.
These are my personal opinions. My mom uses a motorola flipout because it's got a physical keyboard. She likes her memory games and simple things that a crappy device gives her. She doesn't need a 600 euro phone (iPhone) that doesn't do anything better than her current 120 euro (unlocked) flipout that I got her 8 months ago, especially for her. Apple doesn't give her the choice for devices. Android devices do: they come in all shapes, prices, sizes and colors.
The OP was very respectful and quite accurate in his shared ideas.
At least as for the sound quality goes the iPhone headphone out trumps the Note one in terms of resolution and soundstage (Easily audible thru my Westone UM3x).
And that's a fact. As the lack of a clean line out is another fact. For music iPhone is still the king however you look at it.
For reading and browisng the Note trumps the iPhone. Obviously.
In the end the OP prefers the Note because of the screen. I don't see any fanboysm on him.
His view on the Android app market is spot on. Android fragmentation prevents apps to reach the quality level that they feature on iOS. It seems that ICS will fight that fragmentation.
IMO, in simplest terms, the iPhone and Note just caters to different people with different tastes.
In terms of library, iOS has a more robust environment compared to Android. And the fact that iOS apps simply "just works" is one feature that people would pay, rather than getting into a hassle.
Convenience has always been the market of choice for Apple, and it delivers.
And no, i do not own an iPhone, but my cousin has one, and i mostly assist when she needs to access the iOS market, so i have an idea of how robust this is.
Granted, the note works "out of the box", but the name of the game is customization, and android delivers. Especially when you decide to "root", and you just have a device, free from restrictions, and capable of becoming anything you want it to (granted, it is within the possibility).
I enjoy tinkering my note. Encountered plethoras of problems, and have grown wiser from it. Learned the capabilities and limitations of my device, and keep pushing it to its limits and beyond.
The note is a modders' dream come true.
I agree that iPhone is easier to use. I also agree that the Note is more superior compared to it. What i don't agree with, is labeling iPhone is superior/inferior to Note, because, based on how you use it, it always boils down to personal preference.
I am not fond of countering arguments, because in the simplest terms, they are just opinions. And opinions basically goes two ways. It's either you agree with it, or you disagree with it, and provide a counter argument.
Any device without a back button = FAIL
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I disqualified all his review as soon as I read about his opinion regarding multitasking... he has no opinion and doesn't know that ios is a half backed multitasking... lol and let me not start about his cloudsync or even Sirius lol
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How it works under the hood is only for geeks, 99.99% of the users only care about the user experience and for him its easier on iOS. No need to complicate things.
luv the note but !!!
feel embarassed to use the iphone headset wid it coz the one which came wid the note suckss .rest note is a beast.
Fair comparison, I don't and wont use apple myself but when some friends of mine that are totally clueless about tech stuff ask me what to get. I tell them to get an apple, they work as are and don't need any customization simply because it doesn't let you.
A more techy person will prefer android as its much more open and to get the best out of it you need to get down and dirty a little. Apple is simple and fairly idiot proof thats why the Idiots prefer them only joking lol.
I love the title a small iphone 4s vs NOTE
I have not read your post either since this kind of opinions has become too boring.
But will instead give you one piece of advice:
Whoever bought theGNote is unlikely to go back to IPhone, that's why this kind of comparison are useless. Just an hour ago went to meet a client, he was with a group of friends first thing he does seeing me: Hey Jack is that Samsung of yours with you?
-sure
They compare it with their IPhones, they want to watch a movie,just yesterday downloaded Paul with HD quality,their eyes pop up!!
Is this also a phone? One of them asks, -yes.
They want to see the camera, they are impressed after seeing the Spen.
-how much you said you paid for it?.
And no I don't work for Samsung,you don't have to since people have eyes to see.They want F#####g CHOICES, not just one form factor, telling you either take it or take it. !!
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I have not read your post either since this kind of opinions has become too boring.
But will instead give you one piece of advice:
Whoever bought theGNote is unlikely to go back to IPhone, that's why this kind of comparison are useless. Just an hour ago went to meet a client, he was with a group of friends first thing he does seeing me: Hey Jack is that Samsung of yours with you?
-sure
They compare it with their IPhones, they want to watch a movie,just yesterday downloaded Paul with HD quality,their eyes pop up!!
Is this also a phone? One of them asks, -yes.
They want to see the camera, they are impressed after seeing the Spen.
-how much you said you paid for it?.
And no I don't work for Samsung,you don't have to since people have eyes to see.They want F#####g CHOICES, not just one form factor, telling you either take it or take it. !!
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+1. I chose to buy my Note over an iPhone for such reasons. Though I'm ever more concerned of wowing myself than other people.
But I do have to agree to one point in the review: Android market needs a little more apps, more specifically - games! But I'm pretty sure it'll catch up in no time so no pressure. On the productivity side, what we have now is more than good enough.
App selection aside, the iPhone is just like an Android phone that doesn't let you change mostly anything. (which is also in the review ) It starts of great but stays there. Androids can potentially start crappy, but if you know what you're doing you can make it better like, ten to hundredfold.
This thread is troll bait if I ever saw it...Must not reply...must not reply...lol
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1. 4S is can NOT be jailbroken, the devs are not even close to a solution.
2. Siri, is a gimmick and send all the voice data to apple for processing, this in turn increases your data usage.
3. The visible hardware is unchanged from iPhone4 and Androids have moved ages ahead.
4. iPhone4S has some Simcard issues. Loss of network is the result.
5. The iPhone UI is unchanged since the first 2G. Thats a lot of years of using the same UI. Most people didn't upgrade to 4S from 4 (including me) as the external form factor and the UI was the same. I just couldn't justify spending a bomb on a new fone that looks exactly the same and has the same interface.
6. Theme support? You can not put winterboard or dreamboard ,if you are not jailbroken.
7. iMessage although a nice concept has its own issues. It doesnt come close to Whatsapp or Blackberry Messenger.
The positive things about an iphone is the the resale value due to the novelty value is good and the Accessories that are available. Like the Indash DVD unit of my car syncs to ipod/iphone the Kicker music dock syncs to iphone/ipod etc.
Apple with iPhone 5 will really have to come up with something radical to catch up with the droids i believe.
Edit : How could i forget iPhone are marred by the fact that iTunes exists.
PS. I'm not a Droid fanboy, i used to be a apple fanboy.
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one major reason why I came back to android after getting the iphone 4s awful network faults, buggy its oh and locked down fymware never again will I own anything apple note rocks love it
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How it works under the hood is only for geeks, 99.99% of the users only care about the user experience and for him its easier on iOS. No need to complicate things.
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This.
Also, I do know the basics of how multi-tasking works on iOS vs Android, but not enough to make comments about it so I didn't. I based the multi-tasking comment on how the average non-techie person would interpret the phone. I get 6 apps in Android's "recent apps" list and I get as many as I want in iOS's multi-tasking 'tray'/'bar'. Also, I didn't make a comment about apps being frozen by iOS simply because of this question: Do I notice it? The answer is no. I rarely, if ever, notice that my apps are being frozen. And when I do, I don't care. On Android, I DO notice that I can't pull up more than six apps easily. I also notice that I can't play youtube and other videos in the background on the Note, which annoys me to no end. This will be fixed in ICS though, if I remember correctly.
As for the back button thing, yes it certainly is a pro for Android. On the downside, it doesn't always perform correctly. I anticipate this being solved in ICS though. Gingerbread, to me, feels full of 'beginner/basic mistakes' that will be probably solved in ICS. I didn't mention most of them because of that.
Also, I am aware that my comparison is very top heavy in terms of more stuff written about iPhone then the Note, but I just ran out of steam by the end of my article.
As for rooting/jailbreaking, I didn't include either as I don't have experience with either, and I also didn't include it as the average person does not know how to do that nor will end up doing it if given the option: either because they don't want to, don't have the time to, don't have the knowledge/techie-skills to, etc. I tried to base my article around what the average user might experience than the advanced stuff.
On a side note, I've noticed a lot of flamey/poorly-written comments. Oh well. I expected it, even though I don't root for one device or the other. Please take note of how I didn't say "The iPhone is better" or "The Note is better" but rather just listed features where one felt superior/inferior to the other. Basically a pro's/con's list. I did this because, objectively speaking, neither is better or worse than the other.
Also I didn't even mention Siri, but from some comments here some people think that I did - which is an obvious tipoff that a lot of people are commenting without reading. Anyways, perhaps I should have mentioned Siri, but I didn't. Why? I never really use it. Same with the voice functionality on the Note. If I did, however, have to choose one or the other, I would definitely choose Siri - just because of the way its setup and the things I can do with it. Whenever I have used siri it is when I have the phone in my pocket and don't feel like answering a text or otherwise pulling the phone out, so I long-press on the button on my headphones and just tell Siri what I want. She gets it right most of the time.
I also didn't mention that the iPhone has a superior physical design. The metal and glass design looks amazing. I didn't mention it, however, because I always have it in a case, so I hardly see it. It also makes it very heavy. The Note feels kind of cheap if I had to comment about it, at least in comparison to the iPhone, but its part of the reason why its light so its forgivable, and I never really notice the quality difference between the 4S and the Note.
Also, BIG DIFFERENCE between the Note and the 4S that I didn't think to write: the 4S is very scratch resistant and the screen just feels more durable. My Note's screen gets scratched very easily and the glass on it feels much less durable.
Another difference is that the volume rocker and the power button on the Note are right where I always want to grab it to pull it out of my pocket or a case or whatever. I often always pretty the power button by accident while holding the phone. It's very annoying. However, I realize that they did it that way because the top of the phone is too far to reach with the hand that is holding the phone. If I was given the choice, though, I wouldn't change the power button and volume rocker configuration - but it is annoying. Also, I usually don't have that problem with the iPhone and if I do it is just the volume buttons I end up pressing.
Also, another interesting social aspect of the Note vs iPhone: When I got my iPhone, my friends with Android phones flamed me to no end (and still flame me to this day). However, when I got the Note, my friends with iPhones didn't make a single negative comment and complimented me on it. This may be unique to my situation but it's just another difference I noticed.
What's also interesting is that the S-Pen on my Note is much more sensitive and better to use than the one on my parents Note. Both were stock and running the same firmware, and came from the same source and carrier (and probably batch).
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As for the back button thing, yes it certainly is a pro for Android. On the downside, it doesn't always perform correctly..
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Used SGS, SGS II, now using SGN - never faced any problem.
Two things I liked about the white iPhone 4 and the Black iPhone 4S I had was they had very good resell value and a really pretty girl wanted to see my white iPhone and we had coffee together.
Check this iPhone 4S vs SGS3
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038
Pretty nice
SGS3 smokes the iPhone.
But I found it almost painful to watch, how this apple fanboy tries to find a positive aspect for his love.
It was nice to see how he destroyed the myth of easier use, when he showed the music player, or how you get movies on your device (pocket cinema)
Why not compare it with next iWhatever to be fare ?
We are basically comparing everything with iPhone4s and that itself says all ..
Strictly not apple or android fanboy as both have its own set of advantages and disadvantages
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"There shouldn't be any doubt that the iPhone 4S is the better-designed handset." I agree with that, although I know I should keep my mouth shut until I have actually held the SGS3 in my hands. But I do feel that the iPhone sports a well thought-out design, and it does feel premium, although it's kinda heavy for being a 3.5" device, no?
"Apart from its multimedia superiority, the Galaxy S III is also the better phone if you love tinkering with the software of your mobile device." Exactly. I have enjoyed my time with the iPhone, I really have, but it's getting boring now. I've had it for a year and now I want to tinker. I want to mod. I want to change icons and I want to flash kernels. I want to try out experimental ROMs that cause bootloops. I want that kind of fun back! I love the way you can truly personalize an Android device. I miss that and I want that back.
Winterboard, you say? Oh yay, I can choose from 2,000 ugly themes to apply, and they'll all make my phone slower and less responsive? GTFO...
Really though, what's so wrong with Ray S? I think the last two paragraphs in this review really say it all and I agree with what he writes 100%
The iPhone doesn't suck! It's a really good phone if you want that simplicity! Ray doesn't suck either! He awards points to BOTH phones and I think he did a good job with this.
The review was a total joke, since he deliberately didn't mention many advantages of the GS3.
Design - 'iPhone has more premium feel', but of course he didn't say how much more durable plastic is and how fragile iPhone is.
Keyboards - of course he didn't mention that Galaxy phones come with Swype, or that you can install a number of 3rd party keyboards compared to no choice on iOS.
I could go on but it was not a very fair review at all.
S2 and the Note beat IPhone 4s. S3 is way too better.
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That's the point. He's comparing it to a, frankly, outdated phone and still spinning it to prop them both up equally.
The 4S, after all, was really an incremental update from the year before; I don't think a comparison even deserves to be made (the only reason it even comes up is because the 4S is Apple, oh my).
Unfortunately, it's just not feasible to compare it to the next iPhone, for obvious reasons.
Android phones have set certain standards in the last year, that a new iphone has to match or they won't have a chance IMHo. Really interested to see what they do about the screen size and how they will handle he resolution dilemma.
The iPhone is beginning to look and feel really old by now.
Phone Arena has a bias toward iPhone, as seen in their S3 review, we have gone over this in the previous thread. I think to compare an iPhone to Android by itself is a stupid concept. I mean if you were to give me an iPhone 4S right now, what would I do with it? I can do more thing and have more fun with a used $120 Galaxy S variant, no exaggeration.
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"There shouldn't be any doubt that the iPhone 4S is the better-designed handset." I agree with that, although I know I should keep my mouth shut until I have actually held the SGS3 in my hands. But I do feel that the iPhone sports a well thought-out design, and it does feel premium, although it's kinda heavy for being a 3.5" device, no?
"Apart from its multimedia superiority, the Galaxy S III is also the better phone if you love tinkering with the software of your mobile device." Exactly. I have enjoyed my time with the iPhone, I really have, but it's getting boring now. I've had it for a year and now I want to tinker. I want to mod. I want to change icons and I want to flash kernels. I want to try out experimental ROMs that cause bootloops. I want that kind of fun back! I love the way you can truly personalize an Android device. I miss that and I want that back.
Winterboard, you say? Oh yay, I can choose from 2,000 ugly themes to apply, and they'll all make my phone slower and less responsive? GTFO...
Really though, what's so wrong with Ray S? I think the last two paragraphs in this review really say it all and I agree with what he writes 100%
The iPhone doesn't suck! It's a really good phone if you want that simplicity! Ray doesn't suck either! He awards points to BOTH phones and I think he did a good job with this.
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I honestly don't get why people seem to be giving Ray S such a hard time... I actually like his reviews, both in written form and his videos as well... Maybe I just don't get it though!
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Issue i have with his every review is more of an opinion piece instead of an objective review. He has tendencies to amplify negatives that can be seen as positive things on non-apple devices.
also the conclusion that everyone who fits the criteria below to get an iphone? If he said things like ecosystem, itunes, etc then yeah i can see it but generalized conclusion that fits both device doesn't.
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Apparently, those guys would be the kind of users who don't really pay so much attention to their smartphone, but still want something that's contemporary and reliable. Are your needs limited to the basic phone stuff, surfing the web, occasional social network check and maybe even playing a game every now and then, but you have no intention of spending hours of rooting, flashing ROMs and searching for the ultimate widget set? Well, you guessed it you'll be better off with the iPhone 4S, as it's designed just for you, buddy.
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My response from the other thread
Samsung Galaxy S2 is better than iPhone 4S. But my favourite feature on iPhone 4S is Siri. But I still like the iPhone, after comparing them also.
Back from days of Symbian, i have used many smartphones, recently i changed from iPhone 6s to S7, for a change, but touchwiz, or mess of uneven Android apps, lack of silky smoothness, and strange app designs, for example huge header of WhatsApp App, different font size in WhatsApp App's text entry box and bubbles text.
I was amazed reading this story by XDA, http://www.xda-developers.com/with-...delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/
wow i don't think like this alone, If i compare it iPhone 6s,
- this phone is not smooth, only Nexus is almost as smooth as iPhone
- even though its a mettle phone, but by looks its same as galaxy s3 bu looks, not by material,
- Its best in stutters, ugliness of software, among all Android Phones, with LG is close 2nd.
- display is good, but being an average user, i find it not different than the iPhone display in real world usage.
- better, battery is the only benefit i am getting from this phone
- with camera i only take pictures of samples and send them over WhatsApp, so both are same.
I feel Samsung must die or learn and make Android closer to stock, they are selling phones only due to marketing and good hardware. Even baby companies like OnePlus can implement Android better than Sammy.
Do you guys agree or think i am crazy!
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Do you guys agree or think i am crazy!
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I'd normally say it's just your own experience and opinion, but given the options you've presented, I'm going with crazy
I love my S7. It's the best phone I've ever had. Mine is butter-smooth, looks and feels awesome, gets an update every month and has an phenomenal camera. I can't agree with you about the screen either--it's worthy of all the praise that's been heaped on it.
Samsung sales and profits are up right now, and Apple's are down. Maybe it's Apple that needs to die and learn. I'm sure marketing is a factor, but in the end, Sammy is ticking all the right boxes for a lot of people.
I do agree with you about one thing though: I wish they'd ditch TW for something closer to AOSP Android.
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I'd normally say it's just your own experience and opinion, but given the options you've presented, I'm going with crazy
I love my S7. It's the best phone I've ever had. Mine is butter-smooth, looks and feels awesome, gets an update every month and has an phenomenal camera. I can't agree with you about the screen either--it's worthy of all the praise that's been heaped on it.
Samsung sales and profits are up right now, and Apple's are down. Maybe it's Apple that needs to die and learn. I'm sure marketing is a factor, but in the end, Sammy is ticking all the right boxes for a lot of people.
I do agree with you about one thing though: I wish they'd ditch TW for something closer to AOSP Android.
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Well its great, when you are satisfied with your Phone, if you say your touchwiz is buttery smooth, i feel you may have not used iPhone for a year or so, getting updates are fine, camera's of both phones are good for my limited use, me being not photo lover, screen, you can't go wrong with either. i can't see any advantage of this glorious screen over 720p of iPhone, as i never use VR.
i am not concern with Sales, by F**k**g users with touchwiz torture, they can't tick every box right, just my opinion, touchwiz torture alone, should give them Nokia Fate, my opinion. Not letting AOSP on this very good hardware is also very sad.
Even its my personal experience, i would want to stay away from Sammy for good, even couple of years ago i promised my self, i would never use non nexus Android, its just Google is too lazy to bring new Android,
Wish i could have S7 google play edition.
If I had to compare the S7 with the iPhone 6s, then the S7 would win for me.
Beautiful QHD display vs 720p and you say that the screen doesn't matters to you? The S7 has a bigger screen even tho they have almost the same size.
The iPhone doesn't has OIS "optical image stabilization", doesn't has microSD card slot, it's not water resistant and the basic 16GB version is more expensive than the S7 (at least here).
I think that the 6s is way overpriced for what it offers.
Also the new iPhone 7 will look exactly the same as 6 and 6s.
Ps my S7 is smooth.
I personally don't know what you're on about. I can't compare it to an iPhone, but I've had a Nexus 5 and a OnePlus One that I felt was a little faster. My S7 is just as smooth in the UI as either of those devices, and I used Nova launcher on all three. I can't make mine lag or stutter scrolling between screens, pulling down notifications, opening the app drawer, switching apps, etc.
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Back from days of Symbian, i have used many smartphones, recently i changed from iPhone 6s to S7, for a change, but touchwiz, or mess of uneven Android apps, lack of silky smoothness, and strange app designs, for example huge header of WhatsApp App, different font size in WhatsApp App's text entry box and bubbles text.
I was amazed reading this story by XDA, http://www.xda-developers.com/with-...delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/
wow i don't think like this alone, If i compare it iPhone 6s,
- this phone is not smooth, only Nexus is almost as smooth as iPhone
- even though its a mettle phone, but by looks its same as galaxy s3 bu looks, not by material,
- Its best in stutters, ugliness of software, among all Android Phones, with LG is close 2nd.
- display is good, but being an average user, i find it not different than the iPhone display in real world usage.
- better, battery is the only benefit i am getting from this phone
- with camera i only take pictures of samples and send them over WhatsApp, so both are same.
I feel Samsung must die or learn and make Android closer to stock, they are selling phones only due to marketing and good hardware. Even baby companies like OnePlus can implement Android better than Sammy.
Do you guys agree or think i am crazy!
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You aren't crazy. I also came from 6S. I think it's all a personal preference and you would be better served with an iPhone. Simple.
For me personally, and while I partially agree with certain parts of the points you listed, overall an iPhone is like a kids toy compared to a robust pocket computer. So the trade off of slightly less polished OS on the S7 is well worth it. Just take Nova Launcher with gesture control and Tasker, just those two apps alone make Android about 1000x better because you literally can design your own way of interacting with your phone down to the smallest detail. But if that kind of stuff isn't for you, then I can see your point and like I said, iPhone just may be better. It's all a matter of perspective.
Travis Bickle said:
If I had to compare the S7 with the iPhone 6s, then the S7 would win for me.
Beautiful QHD display vs 720p and you say that the screen doesn't matters to you? The S7 has a bigger screen even tho they have almost the same size.
The iPhone doesn't has OIS "optical image stabilization", doesn't has microSD card slot, it's not water resistant and the basic 16GB version is more expensive than the S7 (at least here).
I think that the 6s is way overpriced for what it offers.
Also the new iPhone 7 will look exactly the same as 6 and 6s.
Ps my S7 is smooth.
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Thanks for reply bro,
- i never said screen don't matter to me, i can't stand cheap or inferior screen, like that of Xperia family, all i said what both screens are good and comparable in real life, specs of Sammy screen is higher, that is 2K, but by using both, i see no advantage of 2k Super Amoled screen over IPS 720p screen, in fact i find iPhone screen better due to more condense UI, you can have more text of WhatsApp in iPhone smaller screen then in larger screen of S7, You have thicker fonts on iPhone in twitter App and too thin fonts on Android App, obviously you can shrink or condense the UI, but according to me its not the same, like i mentioned WhatsApp text entry font size and bubble font size is different, is headache for me, no issue for you guys. These are fine touches which iPhone have and Android needs to avoid, though its App fault, Android App fault.
iPhone 6s don't have iOS, for a user like me its not required, i am keen on point and shot camera for work only, those who need iOS can us, 6s Plus, No SD card, people can get higher capacity, i only use 16 GB as i keep removing stuff always and never filled half the space mostly, Over prices, definitely, Sammy is over priced too, ask Oneplus, thats another thing, its price falls in no time bring massive loss to owner.
New iPhone will look exactly same, it must, it will mostly be smooth, hopefully, iPhone has its other flaws, like lack of sharing and transferring file, physical home buttom, which i dont like in sammy too.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to your needs i feel, for you S7 serves better, for someone, slick and smooth elegant UI of iPhone works better, even bigger size bezels of iPhone worked better for me, as i get accident touched on S7 when i try to use it with one hand, due to smaller bezels.
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You aren't crazy. I also came from 6S. I think it's all a personal preference and you would be better served with an iPhone. Simple.
For me personally, and while I partially agree with certain parts of the points you listed, overall an iPhone is like a kids toy compared to a robust pocket computer. So the trade off of slightly less polished OS on the S7 is well worth it. Just take Nova Launcher with gesture control and Tasker, just those two apps alone make Android about 1000x better because you literally can design your own way of interacting with your phone down to the smallest detail. But if that kind of stuff isn't for you, then I can see your point and like I said, iPhone just may be better. It's all a matter of perspective.
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Thanks for sharing thoughts, I use Nova Prime, as soon as i get any galaxy, but tasker is not for me.
if a user need to root or use apps like tasker or greenify to make there phone work proper, then its not the phone for most you have to admit. To make phone work better, root, change rom, change codes, change this and change that .....
- Some people have business, others have jobs in life, kids and family, they get less time in life, to go forums and do all that, they need a phone, that mostly work and have less limitations, phone you are calling kids phone, all i need to do with that is just to stop the animations, and it becomes smoother, for those who cant alter there phones or who dont have time.
When i use to dislike iPhone, i use to feel you cant use bluetooth, you cant transfer mp3, you cant send a song over whatsapp now or cant receive it, then i found out sharing song over bluetooth is needed less, if needed can use dropbox share, can copy song over wifi or can easily share song vis whatsapp without jailbreak, iPhone found solutions, but Sammy is screwing me and the likes of me from galaxy S3!
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Thanks for sharing thoughts, I use Nova Prime, as soon as i get any galaxy, but tasker is not for me.
if a user need to root or use apps like tasker or greenify to make there phone work proper, then its not the phone for most you have to admit. To make phone work better, root, change rom, change codes, change this and change that .....
- Some people have business, others have jobs in life, kids and family, they get less time in life, to go forums and do all that, they need a phone, that mostly work and have less limitations, phone you are calling kids phone, all i need to do with that is just to stop the animations, and it becomes smoother, for those who cant alter there phones or who dont have time.
When i use to dislike iPhone, i use to feel you cant use bluetooth, you cant transfer mp3, you cant send a song over whatsapp now or cant receive it, then i found out sharing song over bluetooth is needed less, if needed can use dropbox share, can copy song over wifi or can easily share song vis whatsapp without jailbreak, iPhone found solutions, but Sammy is screwing me and the likes of me from galaxy S3!
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I don't think you know or understand what Tasker does - it helps you automate string of commands or "tasks" that you would do anyway but it dose it automatically for you based on certain criteria like your location for example. It has nothing to do with tweaking your phone to run better or give you better battery life (unless you want that).
You buy the hardware with pre installed software.
You are responsable to customize the software to your needs!
You can modify almost everything. Also uglyness etc. goes away by that!
My Phone is really premium and with beautiful software, with all that modications.
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I don't think you know or understand what Tasker does - it helps you automate string of commands or "tasks" that you would do anyway but it dose it automatically for you based on certain criteria like your location for example. It has nothing to do with tweaking your phone to run better or give you better battery life (unless you want that).
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Yes, tasker is not for everyone specially not for those, who were using iphones lately feel, dont have to use with iphone, sadly this super customize able phone has lost ability to change fonts without root, i want to use roboto fonts, or try iPhone fonts.
Only if iPhone was not over priced, iPhone could get more market or profit share then what it has currently, as many people cant use it due to price as well, in many countries like mine, we have to pay full price to buy phone, and i mostly sell current phone, add money and buy new.
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You buy the hardware with pre installed software.
You are responsable to customize the software to your needs!
You can modify almost everything. Also uglyness etc. goes away by that!
My Phone is really premium and with beautiful software, with all that modications.
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I believe you bro, you basically mean if a user can modify his phone, then he can lay his hand on touchwiz, or he never used iPhone for long, or he dont care about smoothness, apps quality etc.
You sound confused, first you complain about whatsapp's font size, admitting it's the apps fault and then you blame Samsung saying that it should "die and learn".
Next you say that you refuse to use tasker or any other app to make the phone work "properly" and yet you use Dropbox for a simple file share, since Apple doesn't allow you to send files using Bluetooth.
And you find the iPhone's 720p screen better than Samsung's 2K? Its like me saying that my old Nokia 3210 is the best phone ever cause all I do with it is make phone calls and that way the battery lasts for weeks.
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You sound confused, first you complain about whatsapp's font size, admitting it's the apps fault and then you blame Samsung saying that it should "die and learn".
Next you say that you refuse to use tasker or any other app to make the phone work "properly" and yet you use Dropbox for a simple file share, since Apple doesn't allow you to send files using Bluetooth.
And you find the iPhone's 720p screen better than Samsung's 2K? Its like me saying that my old Nokia 3210 is the best phone ever cause all I do with it is make phone calls and that way the battery lasts for weeks.
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Well thanks for reply, but bro you dont read correct, i never said 720p is better than 2k screen, i said both do the job good, both are very good, if you hold both close to each other, both are very good, minor difference can be pitch black screen, according to my average eye.
I am not here to offend those who like S7 a lot, i was just sharing my experience, and i said for others it can be opposite, file sharing is an option, one can live without it, or can use dropbox or email or whatsapp to share a file, which everyone use no matter if he use, android or windows phone or iOS, tasker is a utility to make S7 work proper, dropbox is not a utility to make iOS work smoother, or make UI less of a mess.
Its not like saying anything about 3310, iPhone is a capable phone, dual core 1.4 cpu, 2gb ram, f**ks note 7 in every speed test you find on Youtube, thats another story and i am not interested in it.
i just have to stay with this phone for a while, i wish i can like it more, UI issues which i find little disappointing i can adjust with, i can somehow enjoy benefits that comes with it, like better battery, ability to use to Whatsapp, and few others, at cost of UI and smoothness. Since i dont intend to use phone again for 6 months at least.
Idea of this post is not to offend lovers of S7, i dont know why some folks cant take other peoples opinion about there love child, in fact opinion of XDA developers is same as mine, exactly same, if you can read the link i posted, only reason for the post was thoughts sharing and finding ways to improve the situations, which seems like impossible, even for XDA, even for them its the path of lenthy modifications and somehow magically fix the sh*t that sammy created in form of touchwiz.
XDA says reviewers always praise samsung phones, yet performance is always under par, even less then oneplus, and honour 8, which is bloated and a mid range phone.
To conclude this talk, and to end harsh feelings/heartaches, i would this is a very good hardware, only crippled by software in my case, as i am stock android or iPhone guy, i still remember i had nexus 5, i was so much satisfied, and mediocre screen of nexus 5 never bothered me much due to buttery smooth, elegant, non china UI.
You have to live with prons and cons of all phone, like we have to live with iPhone's as well.
I and many others like me should try to enjoy benefit of this phone and may be somehow we can like it, or when time comes switch it.
I cant root it to keep warranty, or replace roms.
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About content in display,you can change DPI to achieve more texts on the screen.
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I know that, but twitter App font is very thin, despite being at 560 now, but my main issue about inconsistent and less than elegant UI in comparison to nexus remains, is there any way i can change system fonts without root, i want ROboto all over the place.
usmanxhmed said:
Well, you are the one who is fanboy and confused and can't hear a word against your Love
I said iPhone screen is better, not in term of screen quality, but in term of UI, which is part of screen over all experience
- fanboys like you deserve to stay on china type touchwiz for life, keep buying Sammy and they will keep screwing you with China UI
- iPhone screen better because text is smaller but far thicker, i can see more text in a UI
- Twitter and WhatsApp shows more and clearer text in one screen even being smaller, which makes it easy to carry around, yet more contend
- Uniform applications, elegant and consistent layout.
So screen is a combination of over all UI, unlike you common man is not a screen pixels doctor to calculate 2k pixels and keep saying wow, its 2k not 720p, for a common man, both are almost same as far as screen quality goes.
You should not stay in this thread any ways, its not for small hearted fanboys, getting hurt about other negative opinion about there beloved phone.
In my opinion and official opinion of XDA, Sammy does not know how to make a software or even a skin, they take slick Stock Android and pretty much f**k it up from galaxy S1, still selling phones.
But if people like you are satisfied with it, then its fine, they must be doing it right now, other people can use nexus and iphones or even at times HTC if they can reduce screen to body ratio.
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I know that, but twitter App font is very thin, despite being at 560 now, but my main issue about inconsistent and less than elegant UI in comparison to nexus remains, is there any way i can change system fonts without root, i want ROboto all over the place.
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Yes there is a way to change the font without root. Google store search ifont. The first result is the APP you need. This APP will guide you change font without root.
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Do you guys agree or think i am crazy!
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You have a point. As an ex-ios uset, and loads of android owner (including nexus 5, s6, s7 exynos) i find iOS better in terms of:
- general smoothness
- games load time
- way way better memory managent than android (with 2gigs of RAM it outperforms android with 4-6gig)
- better battery life per capacity (iphone 6s 1750 mah vs galaxy s6 3000 mah)
- in general ios operates at cooler temperature
I really wish android to step up in all above. I am keep using android because i don't like to be limited in apple ecosystem (anyway, ios evolved in good direction, making the OS more versatile and customizable)
Right now I am usint Good Lock which changes many elements of SystemUI. As a launcher i am using the official Google one, and it does occasionally stutter when scrolling between screens. Also I am using the condensed screen mode.