[Guide] Test flap waterproofing without water! - Xperia Z3 General

Disclaimer
If the phone does not pass this test it's definitely not waterproof!
If the phone passes this still is not 100% confirmation that your phone is definitely waterproof. The chance is rather high though.
Did you ever wonder if your device is really waterproof but do not want to find that out by dunking it in water?
Here is a test which uses just the phone and it's service mode (or any barometer app).
1. dial *#*#7378423#*#*
2. go to "Service Tests"
3. go to "pressure sensor"
4. slightly compress the phone using your thumb and index finger by pressing on the display and back
SLIGHT PRESSURE. No Berserker mode please! This is not a crush-your-phone contest!
--> if all seals are intact the pressure should rise. Your phone with intact seals is a closed system. If you compress the volume the pressure goes up as a result. If any of the seals is compromised pressure will not rise.
Note: pressure will decrease automatically - that is likely a result of some mechanism (membrane/valve behind lanyard hole) to adjust for changes in atmospheric pressure to allow the barometer to work.
credit for the original idea goes to User Alik from the German Android-Hilfe.de forums

Haha, that's kinda cool and a good way to reassure yourself before you do anything drastic.
I chose the 'go hard or go home' approach and the first day I had my phone I dunked it straight into the fish tank for 5 minutes and took pictures of the fish!

This is cool ?

Do i press on the ports? Pressure only seems to go up when i press on the display! Pressing in on the ports does feck all ha

Blaalad12 said:
Do i press on the ports? Pressure only seems to go up when i press on the display! Pressing in on the ports does feck all ha
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No, you don't press on the ports. You need to reduce the internal air volume of your device, this can only happen by physically compressing the device. As the front and back panel is slightly flexible this is the way to go. Pressing on the ports will not do that as the frame is rigid and will not give.

High school physics:
Pressure = Force/Area
In this case the area is the air in the phone and the force is your squeezing. If you increase the force but the air cannot escape and thus stays the same, the pressure must increase.
If the phone was not airtight then the air would escape when you squeeze so Force would increase but Area would decrease proportionally and pressure would stay basically the same.
That is why this is a useful test.

Thanks for share brother.:good:

If you don't want to use the code every time there are plenty of free apps on the play store that show pressure: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=barometer

What a great idea. I have a Z1 that I suspect that back seal is compromised, so I'll test it later.
I did the test with my Z3 and it does works, even, if you open some port then the pressure doesn't rise.
Thanks for the info.

Out of curiosity, how much should it rise? When pushing medium hard, mine go from around 1005->1020 or so. So mine should be waterproof, right?

Faspaiso said:
Out of curiosity, how much should it rise? When pushing medium hard, mine go from around 1005->1020 or so. So mine should be waterproof, right?
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Yes that's fine already

Any one else getting a slight popping sound after applying pressure to the screen and then releasing it? Kind of like something snapping back in place. I'm not even applying that much force either. My difference in pressure is rather slight. A change from around 1001 to 1007. Since it was rising with all flaps closed and not when opened I figured it was good to go.

Mine goes from 974 to to 980 tryd the service and a barometer app. Are there any numbers which i can look up to be save bevore going for a dive
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http://youtu.be/6VpuMfpxCrQ
It seems like there's a hardware defect on this particular model of the Z3. Anyone else share the same problem here?

Wich app is that?
Enviado desde mi Xperia Z3 via Tapatalk.

GigaSPX said:
http://youtu.be/6VpuMfpxCrQ
It seems like there's a hardware defect on this particular model of the Z3. Anyone else share the same problem here?
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very interesting find!
My 6603 also has the same behaviour. I'm not sure whether this really is a defect and the point of water entry for your device. It might be a membrane/valve to account for pressure buildup, i.e. when the phone heats up due to heavy cpu stress.
You could start a poll to find out if every unit has this.

Bäcker said:
very interesting find!
My 6603 also has the same behaviour. I'm not sure whether this really is a defect and the point of water entry for your device. It might be a membrane/valve to account for pressure buildup, i.e. when the phone heats up due to heavy cpu stress.
You could start a poll to find out if every unit has this.
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Considering the number of people who have this behaviour, I'm suspecting that this is functioning as designed, rather than a defect, and is probably an automatic air pressure equalization valve, something you would need in a waterproof device. Mine does this as well. (D6616)

Just to clarify, I don't have that unit. I have the D6708, the Z3v. Basically the Z2 chassis with no wrist strap holes for leakage.

So it should maintain the higher pressure if you keep pressing on the screen? I have the Z3v and if I push down on the screen and hold it pressure goes up but drops back down to the baseline within a few seconds. Waterproof or not?

Actually i tried the test and it does rise but when i place my finger to close the lanyard opening and do the test it rises more, that really concerns me. I submerged my previous xperias before without using this test before. I'm not sure if i could do the same with the Z3 after knowing that there maybe a design flaw in this line.

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stupid idea?

Hello
Is a pda screen pressure sensitive in such a way that it would be possible, in theory ,to use as a weighing scale with the right software?
Or am i just being silly?
If you want to make sure the dime bag you just purchased is up to par, don't use your TIlt, buy a scale!!! Geeezzzz, smoke some more why don't you
lol, you made my day
but the iPhone, it can do that
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to be serious, sure in theory. pressure is a kind of weight. it detects pressure till a limit is reached. proof of conecpt wpuld be: put 100 gr on the phone and see what pressure values u get, from that u can easily calculate the other values.
practical its nonsense. a phone isnt made for that. but i likethe idea to smash your brain with my polaris
I assure you my idea wasn't related to drug use in any way ,tthat would be another usefull application I suppose ?
perryson said:
Hello
Is a pda screen pressure sensitive in such a way that it would be possible, in theory ,to use as a weighing scale with the right software?
Or am i just being silly?
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lol that's funny, but not stupid question.. people tried to figure a way to have it read your finger prints but the screen isn't that sensitive to measure that.
it's obvious what you want to do unless you want to weigh jewlery? almost no one needs a scale this small unless you're measuring really small amounts but i recommend getting a pocket scale like mines for about $30 it's about the size of the touch. and yes i use mines for measuring my daily reefer diet.
it's not possible to do what you're looking for, but i think if it was possible it certainly would be really cool.
been discussed before, the conclusion was that it isnt possible, and the discussion descended into talk about weed and oregano
Rory
well who concluded it wasn't possible?
i don't care if it's possible or not, as i just brainstorm..
pressure eq weight and weight eq pressure.
isn't there a pressure threshold on the device? that is, pressure needed before it responds, which it does. if you have the pressure mathematics then you can figure its weight.
problem is, it would probably only work for some heavy objects.. if you try to measure a gram it doesn't apply enough pressure to the screen for a reading.
but, i think it's not totally impossible after giving it some thought.. it would be a total waste to even try to make it work
It will need 2 things... to know how many pixels (or some rare screen units) are being pressed and the area being pressed, that way you may get the pressure=force/area... and force=mass*gravity... the pressure may be related to the number of units been pressed, not the force measured, something like a density of pixels pressed, more weight more pixels pressed, also the area would be important... it will need also to know density of the object... well its 5:30AM and i'm still working here hehe

Galaxy S Plastic frame clicks

Hi friends,
I have a question in order to figured it out if my new I9000 Galaxy S has a little problem or it is a factory default behavior.
It is related to plastic frame(margin).
If I start to squeeze it a little symmetrically from the top to bottom on both left and right parts it feels very solid all the way down until I rich the last 1/4 from the vertical parts where pushing a little the frame seems to click(I can hear it) at the same height on both parts for a short distance. Continuing going down feels solid again.
I squeeze it from up to down not from lateral.
Due to the fact that is identically symmetrically I wonder it if is normal or not. Have any of you noticed that ?
I hope I was more or less clear in my explanation.
Thanks for helping me !
I notice slight clicking noise, and a little creaking noise when squeeze. To me this seemed normal. It will go away with good silicone or aluminium case.
kcharng said:
It will go away with good silicone or aluminium case.
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Is this really a solution?
You want to make your phone significantly worse? Any silicone, aluminium or crystal case will make it look horrible, in my opinion...
If the frame clicks, it will fall of eventually.
Mine also clicks and squeeze and I don't bother it won't fall off.
Don't use case it looks terrible!
You will appreciate a good case after the phone fall off once or twice. This phone is a slippery lady.
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Yesyerday 9th of July: I think I was not 100% clear related to the squeeze term. Is more like a tapp on the frame that sorrounding the screen, with both fingers as I said before. So is not a real big click sound... is like a feeling that the frame covers a microspace between the frame and the screen but nothing visible, just I fill it sometimes when I tapp the frame above the "back" and "settings" buttons. Anyway I think I
become paranoid.
Today 10th of July: I went today to the central store to test what I hear on other SGS phones. I tested on 8 models. They are all the same. Every one has a small zone where tapping you fill like a small hole(extreemly small hole). So, I have the proof that is quite natural and every phone Galaxy S has it. And absolutly is NOT disturbing. In this way I made peace with my new phone and with me and I advice to do the same for you. Every phone is perfect in it's way and if you hear something when u touch it seems the phone reveals and speak to you. He's your new buddy. So, trust him and let's have a long life togheter.
when you start referring to your phone romantically it sounded very weird.
anonim77 said:
Yesyerday 9th of July: I think I was not 100% clear related to the squeeze term. Is more like a tapp on the frame that sorrounding the screen, with both fingers as I said before. So is not a real big click sound... is like a feeling that the frame covers a microspace between the frame and the screen but nothing visible, just I fill it sometimes when I tapp the frame above the "back" and "settings" buttons. Anyway I think I
become paranoid.
Today 10th of July: I went today to the central store to test what I hear on other SGS phones. I tested on 8 models. They are all the same. Every one has a small zone where tapping you fill like a small hole(extreemly small hole). So, I have the proof that is quite natural and every phone Galaxy S has it. And absolutly is NOT disturbing. In this way I made peace with my new phone and with me and I advice to do the same for you. Every phone is perfect in it's way and if you hear something when u touch it seems the phone reveals and speak to you. He's your new buddy. So, trust him and let's have a long life togheter.
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It sounds to me very nice. ^^
To me it sounds geeky

[Q] Odd "Vibration" When Charging

Something odd I noticed a week or so ago. When my tab is charging, if I run my finger lightly along any part of the metal case, there's a REALLY faint "vibration" or "tingle", reminiscent of the feeling you get when you put one of those 9V square batteries on your tongue.
If I disconnect the charger then it stops, so I figured there must be some kind of short in the tablet somewhere.
But I finally found my multimeter this morning and tested it. There is absolutely no current in the casing at all. 0.000 volts. 0.0000 amps. Nada. Zip.
So what the hell IS it? I don't think it's the internal vibrator as I can't hear anything. Is anyone else getting this? It's strongest around the middle of the device, around where the Acer logo is on the back, but can only be felt on the metal parts, not the glass...
It might be an electro magnetic induction current, and the plastic is insulating the metal from earth - you are then providing the earth to make the circuit.
Where did you measure from and to with the multimeter? Try case to earth on another power socket, or case to earth with your tongue (wet, very conductive) (wet fingers if you's scared.. LOL).
I tried all the ways I can think of, including those, but there's nothing I can pick up with my meter. Alas, my scope is broke.
My wife can't feel it at all, but my kids can so I'm positive I'm not imagining it. It's not there when unplugged from the charger, there when plugged in.
BTW, generally, water is a very poor conductor of electricity, especially through the tongue as saliva has a pH of 7.5, which will insulate rather than conduct. You need water with a pH of <5 or >9 for decent conductivity.
Don't worry, I can feel the same vibration with my HTC Desire (which has a metal case, too), funny enough not with my A500, though. Not everyone can feel it, which either means not every device has that effect or not everybody can feel it.
True, but it's still better than dry skin, especially finger print tipped fingers.
Fluffbutt said:
True, but it's still better than dry skin, especially finger print tipped fingers.
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Nope. With wet fingers (saliva or tap water) I can't feel the vibration at all, with dry I can. This tells me it MUST be electrical, but I'm damned if I can get it to register on my meter.
BTW, though I've not done much in the last 20 years, I originally trained as a microelectronics engineer, so I do know what I'm doing. I've never seen this in a device that DIDN'T register some kind of current flowing through it...
I've always been pretty sensitive to tiny electrical currents, so it probably IS some kind of short that my fingers are picking up, but can't get through the anodised coating on the metal back for my meter to read it. I AM getting a tiny reading of 0.003722 volts on the bare metal in the dock port, but my fingers sure shouldn't be able to pick THAT up!
Still, with no readable value on a meter, there's no way I'll be able to return it as the store just won't believe me, so I guess I'll live with it and just check it periodically.
I have exact the same thing, when the A500 is charging and I'm touching the case, it is vibrating a little.
I got my A500 since friday. I registered same vibration during the first charging. I don´t know what to do with it....
E.
Yeah I noticed this too. The list of quirks with this tablet just seems to grow by the day
i have the same issue before, i changed the power adapter from Acer and the problem solve. Their report log show 'electrical leaking'
I truly don't doubt what you say.
I honestly would've though that wet skin would be better than dry or skin-oil skin. Weird.
See if you can get a infinite resistance reading between the metal shell part and the dock port (like you should). I also suggest a separate test of the charger unit for leakages.
Maybe also test the charger port and the dock port for max resistance, charger port and skin as well.
OK, it's probably not dangerous (well, maybe not now..), but it IS bloody interesting!!
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Nope. With wet fingers (saliva or tap water) I can't feel the vibration at all, with dry I can. This tells me it MUST be electrical, but I'm damned if I can get it to register on my meter.
BTW, though I've not done much in the last 20 years, I originally trained as a microelectronics engineer, so I do know what I'm doing. I've never seen this in a device that DIDN'T register some kind of current flowing through it...
I've always been pretty sensitive to tiny electrical currents, so it probably IS some kind of short that my fingers are picking up, but can't get through the anodised coating on the metal back for my meter to read it. I AM getting a tiny reading of 0.003722 volts on the bare metal in the dock port, but my fingers sure shouldn't be able to pick THAT up!
Still, with no readable value on a meter, there's no way I'll be able to return it as the store just won't believe me, so I guess I'll live with it and just check it periodically.
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OK, it's probably not dangerous (well, maybe not now..), but it IS bloody interesting!!
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I really doubt it's dangerous, but it does indeed sound like there's leakage current on OPs tab. I've had similar experiences with e.g. some PC cases and there the problem was easily solved by making sure the case is well-grounded. Also had a washing machine that did the same, but as there's water involved I had to check it out properly and it was indeed a defect unit and had to be thrown out.
I get the same, both on the case, and when i run my finger over the glass, makes it tingle slightly, unplug the charger and wherever i touch its gone. perhaps from the screen getting the full V/amps from the charger?
I'm glad not to be the only one experiencing this so called "electrical leaking".
But it seems I am the only one who actually enjoys this feeling on my fingertip. Don't you?
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I'm glad not to be the only one experiencing this so called "electrical leaking".
But it seems I am the only one who actually enjoys this feeling on my fingertip. Don't you?
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!!!!!!!
If you try another part of your anatomy on the screen, DON'T post the video!!
LOL!!
;->
I get the same vibration but on the bottom edge of my a500 .....strange.....
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lol
My advice would be to *not* lick / taste your a500 while it is charging
me too
The cases is hot with respecs to earth. The adapter needs replaced.
Mine dont do that.
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I noticed this too when I first got my A500. I don't notice it anymore because I always have it in the Folio Case.

Important: Squeaky Z1 Compacts

Hello,
I've been struggling with a squeaky / creaky chassi or backplate for a while now. I've been replacing this device 2 times already, and I've been having the issue on all of the devices and I feel like there is some serious construction flaw as all of these devices are of different batches and manufacturing dates.
The squeaky noise occurs when pressing at the top left corner around the edges, and when pressign at the lower right corner. The issue occurs mostly where the h/w buttons are located, and around the MicroUSB port.
I would like to know if anyone else is having these kinds of issues as it's very annoying and I'm quite sure that the device ain't waterproof at this state.
No squeaky sounds on my phone in places you've mentioned. I remember I've once pressed the phone in some way and I heard the squeaky sound but it was one time and I can't repeat this behavior. In today life there is no problem - it's the most solid phone I've ever had.
Devstaff is annoyed because he does press it all the time and hear it.
Try stop doing that Devstaff and you won't notice it. All phones have that somewhere if you press it really hard.
Or Xperia z Compact isen't a phone with high build quality.
So you're saying if you squeeze it by force and it makes some noise it's a construction flaw? Anyway I don't notice anything, however I also don't often randomly press on my phone. So even if my phone had this 'flaw' you're describing I wouldn't care.
My device is definitely waterproof.
devstaff said:
Hello,
I've been struggling with a squeaky / creaky chassi or backplate for a while now. I've been replacing this device 2 times already, and I've been having the issue on all of the devices and I feel like there is some serious construction flaw as all of these devices are of different batches and manufacturing dates.
The squeaky noise occurs when pressing at the top left corner around the edges, and when pressign at the lower right corner. The issue occurs mostly where the h/w buttons are located, and around the MicroUSB port.
I would like to know if anyone else is having these kinds of issues as it's very annoying and I'm quite sure that the device ain't waterproof at this state.
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I have this. But only in the middle of left side of the phone. i dont have to press it that hard to get it. I think the 3M tape that hold the screen is not that good.
its annoyying because that is one of the resons that i wont put my phone in water. I dont know if its sealed when its making squeezy sound, and im sure we not the only ones.
i have this on the bottom of the screen
Mine is perfect. I don't have any of those issues.
@devstaff
I am sorry to hear that you are dissatisfied with all 3 units you have owned.
Maybe it is a better idea to get a poll running at the top of the first page, so that you can see the general picture more easily.
I have lime UK, probably first batch of production since I bought it on launch (even though bought in uk, fw says otherwise, but still..).
I can report no problem on my Z1C. Holding or pushing won' make any noises. Waterproof confirmed last week, because now hot enough to go to the pool.
As a test, I was squeezing it hard (hard enough for my 1.5 yrs old daughter to cry if I was to do the same on her arm). I can hear something VERY small, like a tacky sound, as if double-sided tape was being pressed down, but you would need to be in a silent room at night to hear it.
Yesterday I pulled my case off pressing the upper right corner of the phone. I noticed that when the screen is on and i press there, that the corner of the screen begins to deform like when you press on a monitor screen. My z1c makes some squeaky noices too when you press on the corners
mine squeaks but is waterproof
I've had my z1 compact just under 2 months. I submerged it in ice water for about 5 seconds to show off to friends about a week after purchase.
I've replaced my plastic back cover with the glass one from the japanese s02-f. Haven't submerged it since but it's had the pressure of a shower head running warm/hot water on it for a few seconds and no problems.
I've never noticed the squeak before I deliberately checked for it. I've applied pressure in alternate corners before to see the amount of flex and there has always been some. I still consider this a premium built device (apart from the plastic back). Personally I don't think that squeak is an indication of a faulty unit. I'm surprised you were able to exchange it twice for that.
Same problems...
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The issue seem's to be related to the small plastic frame, as if I look closely in the microusb jack it moves when I presses down on it.
No sounds coming from my phone.. solid device.
Mine squeaks if it's warm (battery temp 35c+), as that's roughly the temp the adhesive that holds the back on start to 'melt'
Initially my phone was solid but yesterday when I pressed the phones back i also faced this issue.. I think this issue is common after 1 or 2 months moderate usage..
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no such sounds as of now on my phone its only under a month old though
Ok, this phone is really slightly disappointing for me. One month of usage and I have these sounds by merely holding it sometimes. Maybe choosing it over z3c due to design was a bad idea
valgusk said:
Ok, this phone is really slightly disappointing for me. One month of usage and I have these sounds by merely holding it sometimes. Maybe choosing it over z3c due to design was a bad idea
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I would say Yes, Z3C is a much better phone and I'm extremely glad that the store granted me a Z3C as replacement.
Hello!
Same thing with mine Z1C. After a month it started. I tried it in water and it's ok but that sound makes it less valuable. Some cheap chineese phones have better build quality than Z1C which is still expensive.
hi. i've had my z1 compact for almost a year now and i've had squeaky sounds since day 1. i can vouch for it's "waterproofness" though. i never had a problem after submerging it to water(pool, sea, river, lake, sink, etc). so i'm confident my device is waterproof. using magnetic dock to charge sure helped keep it that way. it's a tad bit on the expensive side but hey, i can still take shots underwater and make phone calls in rain.
one issue though, i still have flash bleed since i haven't replaced my back cover yet. and the getto ink mod looks bad so i keep flash off for now.

Home button durability.. lets talk..

So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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Mine had scratches right out of the box and I scratched it further thinking there is a protective film over it since it looked like it had one. Its definitely a concern in the long run though I was able to get rid of the scratches by using toothpaste. My home button also wobbles a bit vertically and if I tap it gently in the left corner, it creates a clicky noise. The biggest concern for me right now is the pink tint on my s6's screen on the bottom half and left side. I can exchange but may end up getting the same/worse unit since most of the people who faced this issue ended up getting worse/similar units.
Will the finger print scanner stop working after many scratches is something we can only guess at the moment.
What's it made of?
The home button had the same vulnerability on the Note 4 and Note Edge, but it never affected the fingerprint reader. Micro scratches galore, but nothing too glaring and didn't affect the functionality.
Well, i certainly will agree right now, what i see is micro, and has had no impact on the scanning (4 fingers registered, no issue at all). I am a little disappointed that with the excellent build otherwise exhibited, something people will use most may be the most prone to scratches; but i also accept that that sensor may not work with more durable materials.
Still, a little more reassuring that the Note 4 is similar and should be ok..
I've noticed some minor scratches too on my home button. I'm not sure whether they were there out of the box as I didn't think to look closely at the time.
I imagine you could take a cheap plastic/PET type screen protector and cut out an oval shape and put it on the button. I'm not sure whether that would change the fingerprint recognition or not since I don't know how those scanners work. It would be easy to test though even before trying to cut the shape out.
Divine_Madcat said:
So, like many, i have jumped on the S6 bandwagon, and am rather enjoying it so far (so much so that i haven't even bothered with bootloader or root yet). And while over the few days so far the glass is great (i would hope so.. sheesh), i have noticed some scratches already on the home button. Now, being that no phone will ever stay perfect, i accept that wear and tear will happen, but i was surprised to see it this early.
Certainly, i am happy enough with the phone (non scratched glass, good battery life (with bloat disabled), etc), but am curious to see if i am alone in this, or others have the same issue.
And more to that - will the scratches become a problem for the fingerprint reader (something i do enjoy using, and would like to keep doing so)? Perhaps some voices of experience can bring some wizdom..
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any chance the micro scratches were there out of the box? i've had mine since April 1st and don't see any scratches...yet.
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any chance the micro scratches were there out of the box? i've had mine since April 1st and don't see any scratches...yet.
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Actually, yes, it is quite possible, as i noted them just about the second day i had it, and was shocked to see them. I may not have the smoothest thumbs, but the scratches went all the way across, which is also odd.
So far, no real issues, but it was surprising to see (part of me wrongly assumed the button was also glass).
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Actually, yes, it is quite possible, as i noted them just about the second day i had it, and was shocked to see them. I may not have the smoothest thumbs, but the scratches went all the way across, which is also odd.
So far, no real issues, but it was surprising to see (part of me wrongly assumed the button was also glass).
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honestly it should be glass. guess they're still working on premium quality 100%
it may be more likely that they were there out of box. i've tried scratching mine with my nail and no dice.
they have some assembly line and packing kinks to work out clearly. my device thankfully came unscathed but the plastic wrap that covered the phone looked like someone had pulled it back on with their finger/nail - there were 3 little indentions on it.
So, i hope its not related, but i have had my phone now fail to read my fingerprint a few times, and pop up a notice saying there was a failure, and if it keeps happening, reboot the phone. A reboot (or even manual unlock) seems to work, but i am hoping its not a sign of things to come...
No micro-scratches here yet....
I've confessions to make: I'm obsessed with physical buttons wearing off! The first app I installed is "pie control", which is something I really got accustomed to and find more practical than using home button and recent button, incidentally this saves a lot of click on the home button. I've been using for a while even an accessibility feature that let you wake up the phone by waving in front of it, to be honest I don't use much this one. Then again I use Nova Launcher and I set up a shortcut to lock the phone double tapping the display. I know I'm way overcaring about this, on the other hand I just dismissed my old S3 that was still practically perfect even after almost 3 years of usage.
Divine_Madcat said:
So, i hope its not related, but i have had my phone now fail to read my fingerprint a few times, and pop up a notice saying there was a failure, and if it keeps happening, reboot the phone. A reboot (or even manual unlock) seems to work, but i am hoping its not a sign of things to come...
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Let me recommend you something what I personally did after finding micro scratches right out of the box. Use an ear bud (used to clean ear) and a very small amount of toothpaste. Apply a little paste on the bud and gently rub the home button for a min or so. Once done, wipe it from a damp cloth and also taking out bits an pieces of the paste that may have got around the gaps.
I was completely able to remove micro scratches doing the above and hope it helps you too. People have also used the above method to clean their camera lenses with great effect. Look out for a thread under the Xperia Z3 compact page where people complaint of having scratches on their camera lens after using the phone for a while.
Note - Dont rub too hard on the home button. It wont harm but will take away the gloss from the button leaving it looking matte.
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What's it made of?
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The button is actually metal, but the substrate for the sensor (on top) is of a type of polymer film- like plastic? I'll post a source link when I get a chance. Thx
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It's definitely not durable
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I'll give it a try tonight the toothpaste and the q-tips .... hope it works... i'll try to be as gentle as possible and go up from there ... thanks for the info man. Same problem here. Came, I believe scratched from the box, had a scratch on it from the first day and it went up from there. Dunno what is wrong with samsung they always have to screw up somehow.
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I'll give it a try tonight the toothpaste and the q-tips .... hope it works... i'll try to be as gentle as possible and go up from there ... thanks for the info man. Same problem here. Came, I believe scratched from the box, had a scratch on it from the first day and it went up from there. Dunno what is wrong with samsung they always have to screw up somehow.
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Yeah... I do believe they messed up this time.
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They decided to use a non-durable substrate. The above article explains why. Good luck!
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Yeah... I do believe they messed up this time.
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They decided to use a non-durable substrate. The above article explains why. Good luck!
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This is just conjecture. While it may very well be true, the author doesn't give any evidence or references to back this claim. For all we know, Samsung may have chosen plastic simply because it was cheaper.
when the iPhone 5S was launched, a few people expressed concerns that the sort of CMOS scanner they were using tends to deteriorate over time. This, thankfully, hasn't proven to be the case; however I think that this deterioration is mitigated by an exceptionally strong sapphire glass coating on the 5S's home button - and now on the 6 and 6 Plus.
I have concerns for the durability of the S6 home button too - not for the scratches (which mine also exhibited after only 6 days of careful use), but for the likelihood of the sensor itself wearing out over time, as they are supposedly prone to doing. If Samsung have indeed skimped on the protection this home button requires for long-term durability then people will be in for a nasty shock further down the line when they can no longer use the fingerprint recognition, or when it deteriorates to the point of being useless. For those who recommend using toothpaste to clean the scratches out, I would suggest that this is a terrible idea - clearly scratches are going to reappear anyway, and taking some of the already weedy protection away from the fingerprint scanner with a micro abrasive surely can't be a good idea.
I'm really happy with the S6 but the home button is a big concern for me. I simply don't think it's as high quality as the ones Apple use. My 6 day old S6 has been exchanged by the store for a new device as the home button not only rattled but didn't work at all on the left side unless it was pressed with a degree of weight. My replacement still jiggles a tiny but but is at least better.
To me this is a bigger issue than 'Sensorgate', which is just a load of rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
leoni1980 said:
when the iPhone 5S was launched, a few people expressed concerns that the sort of CMOS scanner they were using tends to deteriorate over time. This, thankfully, hasn't proven to be the case; however I think that this deterioration is mitigated by an exceptionally strong sapphire glass coating on the 5S's home button - and now on the 6 and 6 Plus.
I have concerns for the durability of the S6 home button too - not for the scratches (which mine also exhibited after only 6 days of careful use), but for the likelihood of the sensor itself wearing out over time, as they are supposedly prone to doing. If Samsung have indeed skimped on the protection this home button requires for long-term durability then people will be in for a nasty shock further down the line when they can no longer use the fingerprint recognition, or when it deteriorates to the point of being useless. For those who recommend using toothpaste to clean the scratches out, I would suggest that this is a terrible idea - clearly scratches are going to reappear anyway, and taking some of the already weedy protection away from the fingerprint scanner with a micro abrasive surely can't be a good idea.
I'm really happy with the S6 but the home button is a big concern for me. I simply don't think it's as high quality as the ones Apple use. My 6 day old S6 has been exchanged by the store for a new device as the home button not only rattled but didn't work at all on the left side unless it was pressed with a degree of weight. My replacement still jiggles a tiny but but is at least better.
To me this is a bigger issue than 'Sensorgate', which is just a load of rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
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You do make some really good points… When you returned your phone for exchange, was it a big pain in the ass? Did they hint that they do an exception for you?
I've just become very wary about returns, exchanges because I've been screwed before on exchanges and being stuck with a mediocre device.
Anyways, I am very surprised that not too many complaints about the sensor has come up on the web searches so far.
I could demonstrate that the home button wouldn't work on the left side unless I pressed it hard. They were able to replicate it themselves so it wasn't too much of an issue. I struggle to deal with high street stores in matters of poor quality control though as they tend to take the stance of 'I can't see anything...it's not really an issue to me'. One thing I miss when I move away from Apple products - not to sound like a fanboy - is that I feel I can trust that they will rectify any little annoyances I have.
One thing I feel confident in saying with absolute certainty is that the home button on the Galaxy S6 is not even close to the quality of Touch ID. It works, and it works well; but the feel it gives when you click it, the overall travel and the cheap plastic feel is a giveaway. Samsung are nearly up to iPhone standards with this device in terms of quality control but this button is its Achilles heel - they kind of cheaped out.

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