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Just wanted to start a thread to point out my dismay with all the 2.2 or higher ROMS for the xperia. While I appreciate the work of the devs, it seems that the ROMS keep coming and they all have the same problem, over and over again. The camera is possibly the best feature of the X10, and when a 3rd party app as simple as barcode scanner does not work the phone is not nearly as useful as it could be. Video recording and camera are not essential parts of a "phone", but they are basic features of virtually every smartphone.
To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
Also, please do not post about market alternatives like vignette or videocam illusion. They don't solve the problem with 3rd party apps that need the camera like goggles or the aforementioned barcode scanner.
I really hope the devs get it together and get the camera working under 2.2 or higher. Until then it is back to 2.1....
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Just wanted to start a thread to point out my dismay with all the 2.2 or higher ROMS for the xperia. While I appreciate the work of the devs, it seems that the ROMS keep coming and they all have the same problem, over and over again. The camera is possibly the best feature of the X10, and when a 3rd party app as simple as barcode scanner does not work the phone is not nearly as useful as it could be. Video recording and camera are not essential parts of a "phone", but they are basic features of virtually every smartphone.
To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
Also, please do not post about market alternatives like vignette or videocam illusion. They don't solve the problem with 3rd party apps that need the camera like goggles or the aforementioned barcode scanner.
I really hope the devs get it together and get the camera working under 2.2 or higher. Until then it is back to 2.1....
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Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
will.m said:
Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
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While your right, the OP still makes a valid point.
Day after day there is a new Rom out and its the same developers doing them. But they all have the same things not working. They aren't actually trying to complete a Rom properly and making then stable but instead they just jump to a new one. Fixing the problems rather than just giving new features would be a better solution going forward and would provide better quality custom Roms.
While I agree with the fact that the devs are great they seem to be putting quantity before quality.
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will.m said:
Ummm...I'm pretty sure they get it. Writing a driver from scratch with all the functionality is not a simple task and pretty useless if they can't get the rest of the phone features to work. Or better yet, how about you learn to write one?
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Good idea but I am not a dev nor do I aspire to be one. I think my point has more to do with the devs who have everything working but the camera, then move on to another ROM again with no working camera. It seems silly and counterproductive to me.
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Good idea but I am not a dev nor do I aspire to be one. I think my point has more to do with the devs who have everything working but the camera, then move on to another ROM again with no working camera. It seems silly and counterproductive to me.
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Can you point me to a rom that has everything working apart from camera? I have tried them all above 2.1 and not one can be classified as fully working apart from camera........
Free x10 has everything but camcorder... Awesome rom imo
i agree, respect to the devs but i need my camera, it's part of a reason i bought this phone and without it it's just not it...
for example Z's beta 4 2.2 is quite complete and over-all very stable and just amazing but it lacks the camera options
8mpx which it supports is OK for now, but what about 720p recording which we all waited for so long, and also i take all my photos at 6mpx with 16:9 aspect ratio, that is also missing, i have little use from 8mpx 4:3...
this is not intended to dissrespect the devs in any way, but pleeeease, if there's any possibility, concentrate a little more on the camera, just a wee bit more
You guys wont get full camera function until the bootloader is cracked plain and simple. Custom kernels have to be created and until the bootloader has cracked there aint no chance of installing them. I myself am using a stripped dwn version of the latest SE firmware with all the tweaks that are available including jit v2, custom build.prop and all the sys.cl tweaks. also the modded camera app which has been modded to improve quality and bitrate of video upto 6000kbps. Im pretty happy with it, and yes it would be great to have a 2.2 rom with a fully working camera but as ive sed bfore until bootloader is cracked than u aint got much choice.
Yeah, this bootloader lock is insane. Keeps devs away from real solutions to simple problems. I also chose X10 because it was the only 8.1 mpixel phone available with Android. Now, it seems we're going to get even better cameras from other manufacturers. Cameras that sure will have the silly capability of recognizing when to turn on the LED, for example.
I'm disappointed in many ways about Sony Ericsson. The only thing I know right now is that they won't have my money anymore.
bbtheory said:
To the devs, get the camera working and you will truly have something special. Until then, these ROMS are all incomplete.
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Ohhh.... I bet they didn't know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality... But now that you asked they will get right on it!!
Mods, please delete this useless post....
Apoena - You're right.. it is a useless post.. but the point is accurate.. I'm bored of seeing part finished ROM's being released.. 1 complete ROM would wipe 95% of all of the others aside. It's frustrating. (incidentally, I've not installed any of the custom ROMs for exactly that reason.. I get enough from rooting and tweaking.. at least until there's a complete, commercially stable ROM available.)
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Apoena - You're right.. it is a useless post.. but the point is accurate.. I'm bored of seeing part finished ROM's being released.. 1 complete ROM would wipe 95% of all of the others aside. It's frustrating. (incidentally, I've not installed any of the custom ROMs for exactly that reason.. I get enough from rooting and tweaking.. at least until there's a complete, commercially stable ROM available.)
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Exactly! What is the point of just releasing a new Rom, they all have the same issue with camera, but the only thing different is the look of the UI.
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How many of you free loaders donated to any of the Devs ?
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Ohhh.... I bet they didn't know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality... But now that you asked they will get right on it!!
Mods, please delete this useless post....
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IF they know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality then why do they keep releasing ROM after ROM without it??? I'd rather have one working Cyanogen than three themed ones all with the same problems. It seems the X10 devs all have some sort of ADD, they can't continue to improve one ROM and make it truly spectacular.
The bootloader discussion is most relevant. I agree that cracking it is the key to developing better things for the phone.
WoW...
As a member for almost a year I have remained almost silent, yet have closely followed the software development for this fine piece of hardware, thread by thread, reading and learning a great deal along the way.
The time, effort, and patience of our extremely talented Devs never ceases to amaze and inspire me. I have choices, possibilities, and am able to use the X10
to a much greater potential than would have ever been possible without them.
I have GRATITUDE..... ya read that word. Oh wait, words are wasted on you who can't or won't do what's required to function within this community. Things like... well.... READING ! Then maybe learn something so as to participate in your own development. Seek and find, it works believe me.
Next, maybe shed that sense of entitlement that.... for godsake ... those who
have been around and LISTENED (read) know the difference, know and understand the frikkin camera issue, know where these 'Firmwares' have come from, their limitations, and the skills to develop them, and don't expect miracles or anything overnight.
Seriously, every release is a gift, whether a 'ROM', Custom Firmware, Theme, App.... you name it. What else is a gift ? . . . The help, responses, answers to
your questions.... all FREE !
--Just couldn't keep quiet today
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IF they know everyone is waiting for full camera functionality then why do they keep releasing ROM after ROM without it??? I'd rather have one working Cyanogen than three themed ones all with the same problems. It seems the X10 devs all have some sort of ADD, they can't continue to improve one ROM and make it truly spectacular.
The bootloader discussion is most relevant. I agree that cracking it is the key to developing better things for the phone.
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People who just take already available roms to theme it, tweak it and add some apps on top of it usually don't have the ability to do what J&Z are doing. So don't expect those "Devs" to come up with a working camcorder.
The Devs that you might be able to expect a camcorder from is probably J&Z or T:
J is working on CM7
Z is working on Free X10 2.2
Are they spamming the forum with a bunch of half finished ROM? I don't think so.
unfortunately for you, the camera is not considered a high priorty on a smartphone. the main things are constant internet/data access, emails, phone, etc. playing music is nice and taking pics is cool, but its not the basis of a smartphone.
maybe you should have bought a different phone?
not tryin to be harsh, but i have read from several devs that camera is always a lower priority for them.
tim.
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unfortunately for you, the camera is not considered a high priorty on a smartphone. the main things are constant internet/data access, emails, phone, etc. playing music is nice and taking pics is cool, but its not the basis of a smartphone.
maybe you should have bought a different phone?
not tryin to be harsh, but i have read from several devs that camera is always a lower priority for them.
tim.
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You're out of your mind. The x10 had the best camera on the market when it came out, why would someone looking for a good camera smartphone choose something other then the best?
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How many of you free loaders donated to any of the Devs ?
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What's that got anything to do with the argument? This is a free community and we are talking about an open source project. Also I'm not saying that the devs aren't working hard, but how about working together and trying to achieve something worthwhile. Rather than releasing one pointless Rom after another.
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jayman1986 said:
What's that got anything to do with the argument? This is a free community and we are talking about an open source project. Also I'm not saying that the devs aren't working hard, but how about working together and trying to achieve something worthwhile. Rather than releasing one pointless Rom after another.
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Incentive.
The developers are working their ROM's and themes out of their own sense of desire/wonder/interest. If they think they've done something that may be of interest to others they share it. If there's enough interest/donations maybe they'll respond by trying to develop requested features within what they are capable of with the tools currently given.
Clearly there's an audience for it. And for everyone the camera isn't the main sticking point.
"Something worthwhile" is your attempt at belittling their efforts? Its a horrible thing to do. Like music you may not like, others do. Learn to code instead of these "pointless" complaints.
Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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I don't think this is generally true, obviously software has glitches, that aren't necessarily bugs. I'm talking bug's that effect the devices performance and overall scope of technology.
Hense I stated stuff such as Data connections not working, Gyro's being broken, SOD's and what not.
I want a nice, smooth bugless ROM, can't be too much to ask?
Most bug's from the devs here come from trying to add to much (IMO) whereas I just want a clean, simple and bugless ROM to use as my daily driver.
For now, I think I'll stick with Stock unless I get some recommendations !
Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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You've totally mislaid the point, I'm not complaining about the current ROM's out their as yes, like you said they push the boundaries which could cause bug's.
Asking for a bugless customer ROM isn't to much to ask for at all mate, and you clearly don't check enough of this forum, as for example on the HOX their are a couple of custom ROM's, like the Stock with no bug's but speed and performance enhancements.
I think you need to read and digest what I have already written, as I think you'll find you've taken this right out of context.
Who are you my Dad?
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Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
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If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
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If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
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Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
I am using eclipse build 3 and nitro provides a nice combination of customization and stability. Nitro is known to provide a very stable rom always easy to make a back up and try a new rom. You can always find the latest for eclipse on eclipserom.com
Hope this helps I was a flashaholic until I started using eclipse. Nitro also provides his own kernel and has been running great for me
Care to link me mate?
And thanks for a USEFUL reply.
obviously ur definition of "bugs" is different from the majority of people here..
i have yet to run into a "bugless" rom myself.. if u think any rom is "bugless", its probably that u have not used it thoroughly enough..
the only way to get an answer to ur question is to try out all those custom ROMs urself, and select the one with the least, or according to ur definition, no "bugs"..
another useless answer.. i know.. just like the question itself..
http://eclipserom.com/vforum/showth...ouper-Build-3-Welcome-to-the-Dark!!-(10-27-12)
Just make sure to make a nano back up before flashing that way if you do not like you can always go back. Happy flashing
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I have not ran bug less beast ROM on my n7 but it was very stable also on my gnex. Just a clean stock feel with some small changes. I like eclipse because of the stability and customization. But if eclipse is not for you try another that's the great thing about having a nexus don't like it just restore your stock back up.
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Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
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Yes. Stock. 'nuff said.
Rootbrain
Bugless pete. Clue is in te name.
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Currently using....
Eclipse and Rasbeanjelly without all the issues some seem to encounter on a routine basis. There are just way to many variables for me just not to flash and monitor how my tablet performs. Of all the ROMs I've tried I find I rarely encounter the amount or severity of issues being discussed. Maybe I'm just not what many here would consider a power user, but my use of my laptop and netbook have decreased dramatically! :laugh:
Hello,
I would like to download and install a custom ROM for my Galaxy S4 I9505.
Here is the list of desirables for it:
Ultra stable.
Buttery smooth 0 lag.
NOT TouchWiz based.
MUST have all Galaxy S4 features like air gestures, air view, smart stay/pause and so on.
MUST support LTE.
MUST have all working features!
MUST include (or support) the default Galaxy S4 camera app.
Yes I have looked on XDA and galaxys4root.com to try and find it myself but galaxys4root.com is limited and XDA has way too many to sift through and narrow down, I'm not just lazy!
All help on this is appreciated, if this ROM doesn't actually exist yet, get making it because it's the perfect combination!
Thank you to the mastermind who finds a ROM fit for my specification
While I agree I would like to have such Rom, true fact is that it does simply not exist.
andymihail said:
While I agree I would like to have such Rom, true fact is that it does simply not exist.
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Damn... Such a shame. If I knew how to make a decent ROM I'd do it myself!
A-Sweaty-Wombat said:
Damn... Such a shame. If I knew how to make a decent ROM I'd do it myself!
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There are some good roms around that come close to what you want. Just try a few and maybe use a custom kernel and you`ll find the right combo to suits your needs. Looking for that is part of the fun
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There are some good roms around that come close to what you want. Just try a few and maybe use a custom kernel and you'll find the right combo to suits your needs. Looking for that is part of the fun
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I'm very picky unfortunately... I don't understand why there isn't yet a ROM that has a nice sleek UI, is blazingly fast and has an insane amount of features including Samsung features like air view/gestures etc.
I also get bored of ROMs and kernels very quickly because I miss one thing or another :/
A-Sweaty-Wombat said:
I'm very picky unfortunately... I don't understand why there isn't yet a ROM that has a nice sleek UI, is blazingly fast and has an insane amount of features including Samsung features like air view/gestures etc.
I also get bored of ROMs and kernels very quickly because I miss one thing or another :/
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There are: like Omega v11 is very good and customisable, Android Revolution is close to stock with tweaks, Wanam Lite is good. You have to try them yourself bro cause everyone has a different setup and needs.
There is no 'prefect' ROM as everyone has needs and wants, in order to find the ROM that best fits your needs and wants you will have to try them all with the many different kernels. Me I only use deviant development roms, and pacman or domination (they are merging so doesn't matter.) But others may only use cynanogen because we all like something different and have found our 'perfect' ROMs
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Since I don't think I can re-phrase myself in a better way, I'll just quote myself from a different topic:
CrisR82 said:
The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that the problem is the ROM devs themselves - seems like most rush ahead and as soon as a new Android version pops out - scrap bug-fixing what they made so you can have a fully stable version and move straight to a new one, bringing all the old bugs along with a ton of new ones.
I have to be honest, after some replies and PMs I decided to use dual-boot and try some other stuff...and I'm convinced the ROMs that can be classified as "stable" are less than 5...total. All others seem to have some type of issue that can screw over a person's daily life in one way or another.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
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I would really like to see what you guys think on the subject: should developers slow down [maybe skip a version] to provide a genuinely stable ROM, or leap ahead for the new version and patch it out to a "usable" degree?
Most ROM developers are pretty much unpaid volunteers.
They should do whatever they want.
If you do the ROM, you get to choose.
It all shakes out one way or another.
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Exactly. What a presumptuous thread. Also, why do you even need a 2nd thread to pose this question given your ongoing thread about not dissimilar issues ?
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Most ROM developers are pretty much unpaid volunteers.
They should do whatever they want.
If you do the ROM, you get to choose.
It all shakes out one way or another.
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I already know that...but here's the thing - noone makes a ROM him himself/herself only. Most people make a ROM and share it for others to use, so while the final decision is ALWAYS up to the individual dev, it's still good to know what the community prefers (or at least it would've mattered to me if I was a dev).
If we go with the logic that community opinion doesn't matter at all, we might aswell get rid of all topics that are not bug reporting or guides.
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Exactly. What a presumptuous thread. Also, why do you even need a 2nd thread to pose this question given your ongoing thread about not dissimilar issues ?
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Because it has little to do with the other thread?
"Share your first experience with custom ROMs" - "Do you think custom ROMs are being made and moved on from too fast?"...see the difference?
AFTER A BIG BANG a STABLE EARTH WAS FORMED.. If u want a pure stable ROM u have to progress. So its better we leave the DEVs work on it. Moreover its free be happy... We are not supposed to judge them what they focus on...
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I already know that...but here's the thing - noone makes a ROM him himself/herself only. Most people make a ROM and share it for others to use, so while the final decision is ALWAYS up to the individual dev, it's still good to know what the community prefers (or at least it would've mattered to me if I was a dev).
If we go with the logic that community opinion doesn't matter at all, we might aswell get rid of all topics that are not bug reporting or guides.
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OK, sure.
But I don't like the statement that "the problem is the ROM devs". It's criticism, and I think criticism is better directed at parties that are doing it for commercial purposes where I/we are paying customers, such as Google or the phone OEMs, or even CM Inc and MIUI Inc.
For popular phones there are a variety of ROMs. Some are more stable (often stock based) and many are more bleeding edge.
Even Google is more bleeding edge with AOSP on Nexus devices. How many times have we heard of longstanding AOSP Nexus bugs, such as BT issues ?
People slam the phone OEMs and carriers for taking so long to provide updates. Yet those bleeding edge updates, even from Google are often very buggy.
I'm happy to have a variety of choices. Let the chips fall where they may. Unless I've contributed financially to a ROM dev, I'm not generally going to ask him/her to follow any wishes I have about stability or leading edge features. (I've made a few exceptions where a popular ROM has nasty bugs that impact the users of my commercial apps.)
I have 20 phones to do testing and development of my apps. I go into these XDA forums and look for the most popular ROMs. Sometimes I want the latest to do KitKat testing, sometimes I want the most popular, and sometimes I want something stable (often stock based, as it turns out, or based on CM10.2 for example.)
i think first they should progress a bit then make that much part stable and move son
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OK, sure.
But I don't like the statement that "the problem is the ROM devs". It's criticism, and I think criticism is better directed at parties that are doing it for commercial purposes where I/we are paying customers, such as Google or the phone OEMs, or even CM Inc and MIUI Inc.
For popular phones there are a variety of ROMs. Some are more stable (often stock based) and many are more bleeding edge.
Even Google is more bleeding edge with AOSP on Nexus devices. How many times have we heard of longstanding AOSP Nexus bugs, such as BT issues ?
People slam the phone OEMs and carriers for taking so long to provide updates. Yet those bleeding edge updates, even from Google are often very buggy.
I'm happy to have a variety of choices. Let the chips fall where they may. Unless I've contributed financially to a ROM dev, I'm not generally going to ask him/her to follow any wishes I have about stability or leading edge features. (I've made a few exceptions where a popular ROM has nasty bugs that impact the users of my commercial apps.)
I have 20 phones to do testing and development of my apps. I go into these XDA forums and look for the most popular ROMs. Sometimes I want the latest to do KitKat testing, sometimes I want the most popular, and sometimes I want something stable (often stock based, as it turns out, or based on CM10.2 for example.)
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I think people are misinterpreting my words...I'm not saying devs are terrible, bad at their work or anything like that, I'm sharing a thought on why I think most ROMs are not stable enough for everyday use and made a poll to see if others think this too, or simply put "a topic where people can show preference", I never once said "you should listen to me" or "do it how I say because it's better". While I personally don't have any use for custom ROMs in my daily life, I'm always happy to see more and more people making ROMs, stable or not.
However, I will say one thing and back it up forever - "it's not commercial" is not a valid reason not to criticize something. Any forum or work (coding, art etc.) is fully subject to criticism. So to people telling me "you cant criticize developers because they do it for free" - yes I can (not to mention it's my real life job)...it's called "having a point of view", if you agree or don't agree - that's up to you.
In short - this is a topic to see points of view on this, NOT to force anyone into changing his/her way of work. So stop treating it like one. It's how forums work - you open a topic to discus something.
P.S. yeah, now after re-reading it, I might've picked wrong words when I said "the problem are the devs"..."problem" in particular doesn't seem like an appropriate word for it...I apologize if I offended any dev with it.
Devs should continue to do whatever the hell they want to do however the hell they want to do it & ignore people like you.
Opinions & arseholes.
In my opinion, in order for rom makers to gain loyal users, they should prioritize stability while making progresses.
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I also prefer stability over features.
@CrisR82 +1 for posts.
Which ROM You now using?
And with which you feel most satisfied?
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@CrisR82 +1 for posts.
Which ROM You now using?
And with which you feel most satisfied?
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I'm using the Samsung stock ROM (Spain region) since my job requires me to do so, but I really like MIUI for its awesome stability and customization (though I have a feeling they'll never update the S2 to 4.2 or higher)...but I also like CyanogenMod 10.1 (the stable build) for the slight performance increase (and I would've probably kept it if it wasn't for the unfixable MHL and other Samsung closed source things that don't work).
I'm also keeping an eye on Omni and I plan to give it another try once it reaches a more stable stage since it fixes some graphics issues on the S2 GT-i9100.
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I'm using the Samsung stock ROM (Spain region) since my job requires me to do so, but I really like MIUI for its awesome stability and customization (though I have a feeling they'll never update the S2 to 4.2 or higher)...but I also like CyanogenMod 10.1 (the stable build) for the slight performance increase (and I would've probably kept it if it wasn't for the unfixable MHL and other Samsung closed source things that don't work).
I'm also keeping an eye on Omni and I plan to give it another try once it reaches a more stable stage since it fixes some graphics issues on the S2 GT-i9100.
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Nice...
This http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562055 4.4.2 ROM?
dinos3 said:
Nice...
This http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562055 4.4.2 ROM?
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Yes, that's the Omni one I used
CrisR82 said:
Yes, that's the Omni one I used
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If you try it, let impressions. I can't even find a rom that suits me...
dinos3 said:
If you try it, let impressions. I can't even find a rom that suits me...
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I already have and I posted my thoughts on it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2580635
dinos3 said:
If you try it, let impressions. I can't even find a rom that suits me...
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you can try slimsaber 4.4.2 by FJ. good battery,stable for me and ART working on all my apps.:good:
I just rooted my phone and installed cwm recovery, now I want to flash custom rom, I also want to keep the S Note, Action Memo app. Any suggestions? Sorry I am new to all of these. Thank you in advance for your help.
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As per some rule you can't ask for best ROM/ Kernel suggestion, but I like stock based ROMs, so I use the Deodex version of OF3 ROM, Deodex because I need Xposed. If you don't need that you can use Odex version.
This is the one I use, http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development/rom-qs-n9005-lp-t3037655
OF3 however is not latest, OGX (X=something) is, but I don't care really. The above ROM doesn't come with a lot of options, just very few features added, but that's what I like, as close as possible to stock ROM. If you don't need Xposed and need a ROM with lots of features then look for AryaMod.
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As per some rule you can't ask for best ROM/ Kernel suggestion.
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Not true anymore, mods changed it
They even made a front page discussion about people favourite
To advise someone what is the best, Is based on there own experience and opinion.
My own experience may be mainly gaming.....
Or it may be with Business models, Each depends on the type of feedback, result in complete different ROMS....
Can you see where am going with this?
I can answer you question, but only Vague:
S note and Action Memo - Why????
The reason i ask, if you want to keep them, Then you can only go with a TW based ROM. This is the TouchWiz (Samsung ROM)
If you dnot have a valid reason, other than you use them.
The a CM or any AOSP Based ROM, Does not have ANY TouchWiz Feature, For example, the Spen, The Menu, The functions.
But there are additional Apps that are matched in results or in some cases better (As they have been developed on the feedback of the note users)
S-Pen command is an example.
Then you can get addition application like: Fiinote that are just as good as Action Memo, Or EverNote or OneNote.
The LIST Goes one.
My one advise to you, Is to enjoy flashing and try them all, See what grabs your attention, Every person on XDA is different, and this is possibly why one of the rules come in about BEST ROMS.
Its too much optionion based, and everyone has there own option.
I hope this is not a complete pointless post, and helps a little.
But there is no harm in trying, and you will have alot of Fun seeing each developers take on it
Thank you so much @dave7802 for your help. I really appreciate it and it all makes sense. Everybody has own different preference. That is what I am going to do, I will try different roms and see where to stick. Glad I have this XDA app on my phone and receiving info and answers from you guys. Thanks again sir. Cheers!
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Please do NOT post questions in this forum (Galaxy Note 3 General forum). All questions should go in the Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum.
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Denny
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Not true anymore, mods changed it
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Okay, that's excellent! I never did like that decision anyway. Thanks for informing mate.
My advice is Audax L. Stock based, reliable, always up the date, all mods which are neccessary and useful, easy flashable with aroma installer and has own costum kernel which is always up the date and really good for performance and battery consuming. Just try it.
Alliance...
Morningstar said:
Alliance...
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+1 (not biased at all)
Do the non-tw Roms support pressure sensitivity through ie; sketchbook? It's been a long time since an official lollipop update. .
I'm usin' the DarkLord s6 port V2.0 from several weeks as daily driver, it's good and reliable, no problems exept a minor bug with fast notes.
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How do you guys stay on TW?
I love it, the features dont get me wrong, Some of them are very nice.
But the speed is notability different coming from using CM for more than 12 months.
Small things like, Notification Status Pull Down, the delay from swiping down, to it appearing is noticeable slow.
App Drawer, open close applications, Accessing menus, All have a delayed response. Multi Tasking loading.
I have tried the following ROMs,
Dark Lord S6 and Note variants.
AryaMod V7.2
Norma Rom
Alliance
The BEST in regards to speed, But still noticeable is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development/rom-qs-n9005-lp-t3037655
As another user advised (Thanks)
This is no slander, As i do enjoy touchwiz, But i will admit, i am a speed freak, When i want someone i want it yesterday.
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How do you guys stay on TW?
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To me CM/AOSP has too many missing UI/UX features, requiring more swipes and clicks for activities I perform. Also, once one has actually grown accustomed to TW, it requires time to learn. If you're busy in your life, you don't want to be non-performing and slow for 2 weeks when learning the ins-and-outs of a new ROM/UI/UX variant.
That's why I have not switched.
I accept the slowness of TW, but it's not too slow for me (and I multi-task a lot).
I'd be willing to try out CM builds, but it seems impossible to find realisting non-fanboy reviews of CM builds on Note3, that detail:
- what real bugs there are (sometimes the small annoying bits in Wifi/BT/sleep/battery can drive one inside, even if 90% of casual users don't notice them)
- what Pen/TW/camera module features does one has to give up when switching to non-Samsung ROM? CM/AOSP ROMs will always be missing Samsung libs, apps and as such many hardware supported features due to their generic nature. I have not seen an honest list that just lists all the missing features from Note3 CM/AOSP roms, without resorting to "nobody uses that feature anyway, so I didn't list it" type of comments.
Just backing up, cleaning up, flashing, re-installing, re-merging apps and data is so much work (full work day for me) that I just don't have time for that, unless I know what kind of deep doo-doo I'm going to end up with.
This, imho, is one of the reasons preventing some users from switching over, but yes, Samsung's "we are too lazy to update Note 3" policy is really pushing me towards CM builds
BTW, to not be totally off-topic I'm using DarkLord 5.0.2 build and it is so-so. Sometimes it lags badly. Sometimes it closes background apps by itself (way too fast, even with no huge multitasking). I'd like to get it patched and update to 5.1.1. but until Samsung releases the 5.1.1 ROM for Note 3, no such luck.
How do I stay on TW?
The simple answer is, I bought a Note 3, there are quite a lot of micro/ small things which make it a Note, and as long as I want to use a Note phone like a Note phone, I would use TouchWiz, end of story.
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.
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How do I stay on TW?
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.
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I've never seen someone start a sentence saying "I'm a professional" and then write such a stupid post.
smeddy said:
I've never seen someone start a sentence saying "I'm a professional" and then write such a stupid post.
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Yeah, like I give a lot of damn.
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Yeah, like I give a lot of damn.
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I know you dont. Thankyou for being part of this community.
I have tried 90% of the note 3 rom on XDA, here's my result:
Best Rom
TW ROM: Audax
AOSP/CM: Temasak
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How do I stay on TW?
The simple answer is, I bought a Note 3, there are quite a lot of micro/ small things which make it a Note, and as long as I want to use a Note phone like a Note phone, I would use TouchWiz, end of story.
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.
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Spot on couldn't agree more, with all points.