Does anyone have an expected release date for this yet? I may be moving from the UK to the US soon so just wondering what to get and where to get it!
HTC insn't going into full scale production untill autumn.
And it's usefullness in the USA wil be somewhat limited.
It only has Tri band GSM so will be incompatible with some networks, also the 3G radio is a different standard in the USA to the Euro 3G - CDMA V W-CDMA I believe, but I'm sure someone will highlight what the acronym is. Thats why no USA networks have expressed any desire to release the Universal - maybe there will be another model bought out for the USA markets...
There will be a USA release eventually. HTC would be stupid to not make a version of the Universal that worked well in the USA.
There's lots of speculation on various message boards that HTC has already created a USA version of the Universal. Supposedly, it's being called "Apache" while it's still in testing.
There are lots of people in the USA using HTC devices right now. I can't imagine HTC deciding not to accept anymore money from those USA customers.
Pretty much everyone with an HTC device (or any other brand of Pocket PC for that matter) will give the Universal serious consideration when it's released. If HTC just ignored them, well that would not be a sound business decision.
Expect a version of the Universal to be released in the USA for use on the new EVDO networks (Sprint and Verizon).
Now Sprint and Verizon may decide not to carry the device, but I fully expect HTC to at least offer it to them.
do sprint and verizon even offer gsm(sim) cards? i bought my jam from dubai when i was over there for summer vacation and now i'm using it with cingular. and if the device is released in the US it would be a while after its released in the UK and rest of the world. If you haven't noticed USA is really behind in the cell phone market.
USA may be behind in the cell phone market, but all of the previous HTC products were released in the USA, so I don't see why the Universal would be any different.
The Wizard will be released in the USA, so why not the Universal? I could definitely see HTC ,aking a version for the USA. And probably making a CDMA version as well.
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Sorry Guys, But Cellphone Networks in USA sux! Your mobile phone carries got the "older model" planns to sell devices. Europe and Asia is at leats 5 years advanced than USA.
Here in Brazil GSM Networks are since 2002 so we got euro carriers with new terminals, 3G is already here.
HTC is preparing a special edition for you guys
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What are you talking about? USA networks may be behind, in general, but both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is pretty up to date technology.
HTC may very well be preparing a special version, but I highly doubt Brazil is getting anyting more technically advanced than the USA (from HTC at least)...
HTC sent the same Harrier and Blue Angel to the USA that they sent everywhere else. HTC is also sending the same Wizard to the USA that they sent everywhere else. Why should the Universal be any different?
Well, it might be a little different (hopefully it will be made for CDMA/EVDO).
your carriers are well behind the uk and most of the rest of the world-maybe not 5 years though!the universal will be the same as the jam release wise-asia then europe then the us.just a shame your carriers are so slow that they cannot utilise the new technology the universal bringsand what is with using a different frequency (850) is it just to be awkward?!lol.l have no doubts the universal will be available everywhere including the us
First off, I have to say that the Apache is not a CDMA version of the universal. Rather, it is a CDMA version of the wizard.
Second, yes the USA networks are a little behind the rest of the world. It sucks that we have to wait for new devices months after they have been released to the rest of the world. However, that may be changing. Check out the last couple pages of this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22813&start=125
It is looking more and more like the new 6700 sprint will be releasing is the Apache. Right now the target release date is sometime from August to October. This would be amazing because it would be (as far as I know) the first 5.0 device released anywhere. It would be released in the US before Europe and Asia, and it would even be release before the wizard was released anywhere.
So maybe the US is catching up. Here's hoping
The USA networks are not lagging behind Europe and Asia. At least not all of them. Again, both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is not lagging in any way. EVDO is a 3G technology, and it fully supports all the features on any of todays cell phones (even the Universal). The only thing is the networks are CDMA. But CDMA is not lagging behing the rest of the world either.
Actaully saltydawg, only verizon has EV-DO right now. Sprint won't be lauch there's till the end of the year. We should start seeing EV-DO phones coming out soon though.
As for what I said abou the USA being behind, that was mainly in reference to the delay in getting new phones to the US.
Zach
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Sprint does have EVDO right now man. Currently the only devices that officially support it are laptop data cards. People have got it working on their PPC-6600's as well though.
But yes, we should start seeing lots more EVDO devices released soon...
You have got to be kidding me if you think US networks do not lag behind European networks. By the time we get something new, Europe is already moved on to the next best thing. We are at least 2-3 if not 5-7 years behind.
SaltyDawg,
That makes more sense. I guess they just aren't really promoting that. It's pretty cool that some of the 6600s have got that to work though. There is supposed to be an official sprint update for the 6600 coming out in october I think.
Zach
We can argue all day about whether or not the US lags behind in mobile network technology. Whan I can say is that when US carriers decide to go with a technology, it does take awhile to rollout.
HOWEVER, let's think about this. All of the countries we're being compared to are approx 10% of the size of the US. Individual European countries and their respective carriers have NO IDEA what a rollout in the US takes in terms of material, resources, and most importantly, money. Even the whole of Europe doesn't compare in size to the Continental USA.
Cut us a break, guys...
GSM Technology in the US
well, you can argue all day about this but i would say that the US is way behind but we've been catching up some how ... the three main countries which keep on using CDMA is the US, Japan& Korea ... so if anybody really wants a really good phone for the verizon and sprint networks just look at what's available in japan ... they actually have 8.0Mp camera phones out ... while everybody's working on catching up here in the US ... Verizon is actually owned by VODAFONE that is why verizon was first in coming out with 3G with the help of their cousins across the pond ... which i am wondering why t-mobile doesn't use their connection being t-mobile ... the largest global wireless company (they have service in most of the countries in the industrialized world ... they even have dibs on singtel which is one of the powerful wireless carriers in asia) ...
t-mobile usa and t-mobile uk don't even work together (as per comment by one of the tech support people from t-mobile usa) ... i was trying to set up blackberry connect on my Sony Ericsson P910i which was from T-Mobile UK but our friends from T-Mobile US told me that they can't assist me ... so i ended up doing it myself ... as usual ....
hopefully the US gets hold of more phones, marketing somewhat sucks y'know ... i guess it's all about the blackberry over here in the US .... which, personally has an ugly interface and worse conventional phones which are almost as expensive as Palm, Pocket PC, and Symbian devices ...
Well the bottom line is not all USA networks a lagging way behind Europe and Asia. At least not anymore. Sprint and Verizon both have EVDO. EVDO is a 3G technology. So no way can anyone say Sprint and Verizon are lagging way behind Europe and Asia.
Now the phones they release on those networks may be a different story. But again, that has nothing to do with HTC. HTC releases the same phones in the USA that they release in Europe and Asia. So anyone saying HTC won't release the Universal in the USA is not looking at the recent history. And anyone saying all USA networks are lagging behind Europe and Asia is not looking at the present. Sprint and Verizon, with their EVDO, specifically.
UMTS in the USA
All I can say is soon, as in September/October UMTS will be deployed in 9 major cities in the US. The carrier in question already has a re-branded BlueAngel for sale. Word from marketing is that shortly after UMTS is deployed they will start carrying one of the re-branded HTC Universal devices .
Hot off the press: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-12-2008/0004923677&EDATE=
dont get too excited yet!
remember the launch date for uk? 9/30/2008? haha
by the time this X1 is out in USA, it already 2009!
Unlocked = crippled!
Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck
You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.
dinan said:
You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.
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You're right that the US frequency mish mash is a mess....but don't think for a minute that phones can't include multiple frequencies and that the carriers are innocent! Verizon, for example, recently insisted that a mfr modify their phone to remove frequencies that would allow the phone to work on T-mobile's network (I forget the phone....a blackberry, I think). Who decides that a quad band phone should be released in the US as triband or dual band? The phone mfr...nah.
As microsoft said the other day....US carriers don't want to be considered "dumb pipes"; i.e., providing generic access to cell frequencies for customers to use any phone with at reasonable rates! It's the carriers that block phones from tethering unless extra fees are paid to do what the phone can do using the cell networks....its the carriers that create goofy MediaNet type "services" to extract extra fees for doing what the net provides on the unadulterated phones! Its reminiscent of when AOL made users think they were part of some special club that was better than the new fangled internet....even by rebranding a limited access to the net as their own service!
Ah well....I rant and I vent....and I still pay crazy high phone bills.
Bill Gates himself once said that we'd one day look back and view paying for telephone services based on time and distance as "quaint". Within a country we're clearly there (ever watch an old movie and see people run to the phone when a "long distance" call came through?...too funny). But we're not there currently internationally! One day we'll look back at Orange being able to offer a phone for free on contract compared with AT&T being able to charge $299 or even blackmail the mfr into not making a deal, forcing them to sell a phone (a few of them, anyway) for $800 as quaint.
I can't wait for the arrival of international voice and data packages that would allow customers to choose Orange or AT&T or whomever we want to give our monthly money to without being forced to accept bloated software crippled phones!!
Ahh...ok...NOW rant over.
Be seeing you,
The Duck
p.s. - the carrier greed doesn't excuse Sony for this goofyness! If they wanted to sell an unblocked phone they could have made it compatible with more networks than AT&T. It looks like they screwed up and built a phone that was only suitable for AT&T without locking up a contract with AT&T. The carrier probably used the position of strength to extract more than SE's ego would accept....but the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. Bad SE lawyers + greedy AT&T = bye bye Xperia.
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Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck
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if you have to complains, u cant afford it!
did u also complain about HTC diamond selling for 699$ at bestbuy? haha
well, i bought diamond at bestbuy for 699+tax=748$, i know i can get it cheaper online, but i just hate waiting!
http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom-mz601/
http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom-mz604/
http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom/
One is WIFI only (MZ604), one has EVDO Rev A (MZ6400), and one with GPRS/EDGE (MZ601 & MZ603)
http://developer.motorola.com/products/compare/?items=17869,17987,17982
There is a version coming out for Sprint. Engadget had an article on it earlier in the day, Xoom with a Sprint logo on it. There's also a WiFi only version releasing in April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/18/motorola-xoom-with-sprint-insignia-nexus-s-4g-logo-leak-out/
Yes, their are really 3 different versions.
WiFi Only - self explanitory
CDMA - Verizon + LTE, (Soon to be Sprint + WiMax)
GSM - Various carriers Europe, Canada, ect. HSPA Max speed~10Mbps down and ~6Mbps up
On a side note the GSM version of the XOOM does have the necessary frequencies for AT&T HSPA. I have not found any indication that that XOOM will come to AT&T, but you could in theory buy one unlocked and put a sim card in. I did email store.motorola.com to ask about buying an unlocked GSM/HSPA XOOM so I could use it with my existing AT&T account and got the following response.
Dear Customer,
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. I’ve reviewed your e-mail and I’m ready to help.
I do apologize but we currently do not have any available information regarding the release date of the GSM version of the Motorola XOOM in the United States. I'm so sorry for that inconvenience.
Although some general time frames have been quoted in the media announcements, you can register to be notified of updates on product launches at the following link:
https://www.motorola.com/worp/campaigns/coming-soon/USA/
We hope that you find this information useful and look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
XXXX
Customer By Web Form (Customer) - 03/16/2011 04:23 AM
Will the GSM/HSPA version of the XOOM be available for purchase from store.motorola.com for USA residents. I would like to buy one with out a contract and I don't want or have Verizon service. I currently have a Verizon CDMA XOOM with no service and plan on getting the wifi only XOOM when it comes out, but I would really like to get an unlocked GSM/HSPA XOOM. The CDMA/Verizon XOOM is not international friendly for business men like myself. I would be willing to pay full price $799.99 for a GSM/HSPA XOOM. I have no need for 4G LTE as it will not be fully deployed for a couple of years, and by then new devices will be on the market.
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NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--U.S. telecom operator AT&T Inc. (T) said Wednesday it has secured a license to operate in Indonesia, providing the telecommunications giant with a new catalyst to grow its enterprise business in Asia.
AT&T is the first foreign telecom operator to be granted a license in Indonesia. Previously, the company had to sell its service in partnership with local providers. A license allows AT&T to provide service directly to companies in the country, which can provide a boost to revenue and margins because the company doesn't have to share the pie.
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Source:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110607-715059.html
http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/att-wins-operating-license-indonesia-132339
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