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How do we get HTC to release the EVO source code faster?

Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
Per zonyl on page 2:
I managed to get Linux source for the Sharp Zaurus within a week and a half and Im sure following the same playbook will speed up the process with HTC as well. Hopefully I will have some time next week to do this, but the more the merrier! The more people call and contact legal the more attention it will get.
The plan:
- Call HTC corporate
HTC America
13920 SE Eastgate Way, Suite 400
Bellevue, Washington 98005
Tel: 425-679-5318
- Ask for representative in Legal Department (Tell them it is regarding potential litigation)
- Get legal representative's contact information before or immediately after being transferred.
- Politely ask for disclosure of GPL/Linux source code per section 3 of the GPL for the device they manufactured and that you purchased. (You may need to explain a little as they generally have no idea what this is. Doesnt matter much though as they still wont understand but make sure you explain its something that their engineering folks are liable for)
- Give them the GPL (by fax) http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html The license is even on the phone itself (Menu->Settings->About Phone->Legal Information->Open Source). Scroll down and you will see the linux kernel GPL
- Give them a written request (by fax) "Dear Sir or Madam, ..... Requesting Source for my product in compliance with GPL Section 3-a ... Thank you...."
- They will tell you they need some time to figure it out.... Give them about a week and call back (they will try to ignore you on the first call in hopes you go away)
- Call back using the representatives contact info. Ask them for the status.
- If they are stalling ask for the legal address to list as a defendant on a lawsuit for breach of contract and will be demanding "An Order of Specific Performance" to release the code. (BE POLITE! BUT FIRM) (This will definitely get their attention!)
- Wait a few days. Someone from engineering with a foreign accent will call you with information on when / where the source will be released.
- If this doesnt get anywhere, we can talk about the process of starting a lawsuit without paying lawyer. When HTC is served legal papers for discovery, Im pretty sure they will comply.
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lolz mclollerson said:
Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
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It seems no amount of begging ever makes them release code faster. Even legal threats failed before (not for the Evo, but its the same thing)
They know they have to release it by this point. They will do it, but on their own schedule. Pushing them to do it sooner hasn't gotten us anywhere before & I don't see it helping here either.

Damn, that's pretty disappointing.
Thanks for the heads up. :-/

I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.

gman8966 said:
I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.
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Of course they will release it, the GPL requires them to do so. But then again they are already violating it every day they don't release it, so maybe they will just say f*ck it.

Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.

midri said:
Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.
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Why do people always come up with this?
You have no standing to sue anyone over this. Copyright holders in the Linux kernel, *they* have standing to sue someone over this.
The GPL says they have to make the source available, but it's not for you to use legal means to force them to do it.
Class action? Who's the affected class? The people who bought the Evo? Not hardly.

A class action that will hurt HTC? make them reconsider releasing Android phones? you might get a short term benefit of getting source code (well, not really, since the law suit will take longer) but in the long term, the Android community will just lose one of it's biggest supporters

I really think sprint is to blame for this you notice all of the source is availed for just about every other phone except the .29 heroc kernel and the evo kernel makes ya wonder if they are playing a part

If the source isn't out by my 30 days (7/6), it's going back. There's no excuse for being so cavalier with copyrights. Ironic considering they just launched a legal campaign against Shipped ROMs.

What we need is for a high profile e-zine to write an article.
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What we need is for HTC to stop acting like Apple just because they finally have a phone that can compete with the iPhone. I don't care if this damn thing files my taxes and makes breakfast for me, if they can't respect the GPL they sure as hell aren't going to keep a cent of my money.

I've contacted HTC and Sprint... not luck... you can search my posts if you really want to read the responses.... I even contacted the FSF (I think they are the copyright holders for Linux Kernel for Linus) and no response from them... so eh yeah we just wait

Apparently you didnt have a Hero. The only thing you can do is wait...

What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.

troyboytn said:
What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.
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+1 for this

How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?

caryroberts1 said:
How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?
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3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.

PikkonX said:
3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.
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That just makes me even more angry.

I have obtained some super secretive information that can help us get the edge. Through hours of undercover work and social engineering I have discovered that the HTC Engineers are partial to Ben & Jerry's Half Baked ice cream.
I urge all of you to start a letter writing campaign to Ben & Jerry's urging them to exchange 10 pallets of ice cream for the source code. If we can't convince Ben & Jerry's that our charity is worthwhile, then we need to start raising money to buy it ourselves.
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I've never asked this forum for anything, but I am asking now..

Xperia Ultimatum

Hello all
We all want android 2.2 for our Xperia phones. So I ask you to make an ultimatum to SE all the xperia users and SE customers, cause petitions never work. I want all of you to send letter to the ofiicial site of SE, to ask your friens from facebook and other social networks to do the same.I wrote a letter on the official site to SE http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/common/contactfollowing my letter, we will succeed.
Hello Dear SonyEricsson!
I'm using your devices since 2003 year. My last purchase was xperia x8, very nice phone ergonomic and with great technical characteristics and even magnificent price for which I can forgive all its defects. All except one. People all over the world are waiting android 2.2 froyo from their vendor, people that spend their money on xperia line products. There are many reasons why. First of all lack of internal phone memory for applications, second one is the flash player for browsing and watching video and playing games on their favorite sites and the third one is social to show and be proud with the products of company with which they have been all these years, the products which they bought and supported you. You have many competitors on world market such as Samsung, HTC, LG with better products and prices, don't spit on your customers, they support you and believe in your company. Take care of them They are your future or you'll have to start from the zero point. You make brilliant products so Come up with the times, Android will be the most popular operating system at least for 5 years give your customers satisfaction, give them android 2.2 for all xperia line, the products they have bought, or you lose their trust, your customers and your profit.
Sincerely yours, Kirill.

I don't trust in our success.
Do you remember all tryouts to get update to 6.5 WinMo for X1?

it ll be of no use..
SE doesn't care about their customers..

I think in that way If to make petitions it wont work, but if they get about million letters from all over the world this will work out, that's why I'm asking to help my and your friends from social networks to write a letter on the official site to SE http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/common/contactfollowing

We need to make pressure on the company, some of you might have friends in massmedia, we need to make resonance. I dont trust and dont believe is a weak position.

Let's begin.
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Good job guys will do that Obama changes!

well, SE probably will say this . .
updates will fix all your worries about flash-support, memory, multi-touch but sorry pals . . no froyo for you!

MikuSE610 said:
well, SE probably will say this . .
updates will fix all your worries about flash-support, memory, multi-touch but sorry pals . . no froyo for you!
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so true...

Follow The Leader...

I made it too....
Dear SE,
I have bought an Xperia X8 about three month ago. I'm almost a satisfied customer. I need Android 2.2 Froyo to my phone. Android developers give their op system for free, you should just serve your hardly collected customers with it. You know... time is always changing. Android will be the most popular operatin...g system at least for 5 years give your customers satisfaction, give them android 2.2 for all xperia line, the products they have bought, or you lose their trust, your customers and your profit.
I hope the best from U.
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http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/sonyericsson
Marco Todeschini Xperia X10, a phone born 1 year ago, cost 500 € and already abandoned! and I do not think there will be future updates on either 2.1, SE you really disappointed too many people ..too many
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Sony Ericsson Hi Marco. I'm sorry to hear you feel this way. We will still be releasing system updates for the X10 family of handset, it will just be the Android version which will not be updated further - Aimee.

groovepeppy, Sorry, what link did you use to write this message to SE?Link in the general post isn't working.

Hi Alexed,sorry for being late replying.
I wrote on SE's wall but i had to cut some sentences cause it has limited letters rule in a wall post.

I think there will not be official Froyo for X8,just wait for custom roms...

People, keep making pressure on them, they have to react...

can google remotely disable a device?

Any thoughts?

Go to www.google.com
Type: can google remotely disable a device?
Read.
Done.

Short answer: no
Long answer: no
Thoughts: if you're worry about that, use this as your daily drive. It is tamper-proof.
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I was told by a play store support person that in the event of a stolen device (stolen from shipping/receiving people), they will remotely wipe the device.
So from that I gathered that they can.

Yes they can remotely wipe a device, there is a permission for it and a Nexus S with leaked ICS had it done IIRC.

Yeah. Google, the carriers, and governments have certain remote access / wipe abilities. Some of these are consensual, like in the case of a stolen device. Others, not so much.
Not trying to sound all tin foil hat up in here.

ml2514 said:
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I was wondering the exact same thing....
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Anyone have anymore thoughts on this question???

It's been answered, what more do your want?
It's not just this device though, look up the brick permission.

I believe they can wipe and brick it..
Even if they couldn't, they can block the device from accessing Googles servers which would render it almost useless for anything other then a media player
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About a year ago Google removed some apps from the playstore that contained malware they also removed those apps from peoples phones at the same time. If you search for it there is a forum on here somewhere discussing it, I looked it up about a month ago when someone else posted the same question. Here's a link to a short artcile about killswitch from endgadget.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/google-implemented-an-android-kill-switch-those-rascals/

Rusty! said:
It's been answered, what more do your want?
It's not just this device though, look up the brick permission.
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I was wondering something more along the lines of HOW they are able to do this, which hasnt been answered.

Well google has better things to do than disabling your device !
Okay no offense a geek might end up here and write a long essay on how nothing is impossible and how google could inject malicious scripts or already has hidden piece of encrypted coding that could pose a danger - but trust new seriously all that is possible as of now if remote wipe on case of stolen the device btw if a few web blogs including a few threads in here(some of which provides digestible evidences) are to be believed then google can surely wipe remotely !

yes google can disable and remotely wipe your device
http://androidandme.com/2011/09/new...faces-online-developers-confirm-authenticity/

For wiping you phone, you can use something like Lookout. It allow you to wipe, track your phone much like findmyiphone from Apple. If only works if whoever got your phone keep it on or haven't wiped it himself.
Earlier this year, the major cellphone companies in the US have agreed on a deal with the US government to build a stolen cellphone database. Eventually, any cell phone company in the US will check against this database prior to provisioning a cellphone in their network. The centralized database is targeted sometime near the middle of 2013. That works in the US but that still not preventing stolen cellphones to be used outside the US.

I believe the google motto goes as "do no evil". Whatever else will be present in their policy. Theoritcally you need not be google to wipe a device. A person with the right knowledge could certainly use an exploit particularly via social engineering, the most common exploit of all. Personally I have monitored my traffic many many bytes. I don't see anything that would leave me to believe this. If there was and could be proved than that would be one hell of a court case. Google would be badly damaged from such a thing and is it worth all those dollars to be lost?
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Yes they can.
Yes they did.
Yes they will again.
No you wouldn't know how they do it because the relevant software is non-free spyware, therefore you can't know what it does behind your back at all.
And don't try to tell me that android is free and open software. It isn't.

Sry sounds like they did it on a development phone. Not a consumer model. The idea of big brother google wiping my phone for talking spat against their roman empire seems far fetched. Anyhow can be done by anyone. There is a huge market for exploits.
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http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=173390
They can do anything
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Its great but google cannot do whatever they want. If they were caught wiping a personal device. It would make national headlines. People would trust them less. They would be no better than the worlds richest malware. Ya also get the same level of wipe from an app like cerberus. Defining the lines is tough. I am getting at the fact if there is an open port on your device. Proper knowledge could be used to wipe the system without the aid of google or an app. If it is possible. It can be done.
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One Month With Ogury

Hi Am Paul, an indie android developer in Uganda,
Last month I received an email from a one, Adrian Williams, VP of publishing with Ogury Ltd. (ogury.co)
It's not your conventional Ad network, it shows an impression called a "recommendation". These are interstitials that are shown at the start of the app life cycle.
Since their implementation wasn't going to interfere with my already existing monetization schemes such as admob, i took the plunge. This was mid August, most of my traffic is from the US, India, Korea, Indonesia, combined EU in that order. I average 20,000 impressions on Admob daily. And have 40,000 people currently with one of my apps on their devices.
Their dashboard isn't the best and takes time to update itself.
So far they don't have a section where you can feed in your payment details. However within the first week of the next month, you're sent an email with a verified amount and you're asked to send them am invoice asking for the money and include your payment details.
And today (19th Sept) I received the August Earnings.
They have a minimum payment threshold of $50 and can pay via PayPal as well as bank transfer.
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I frankly didnt believe it all and didnt want to share anything here until i had actually received the Money.
So if you want to add a monetization avenue that wont affect your existing banners and interstitials, I believe this is worth a plunge.
Goodluck bros (and sisters, all 3 of you)

compatible with google policy ???
Hi Paul,
My big concern is that .. is ogury compatible with new google policies .

Sorry, I made an error, ads aren't shown outside the app itself.
They are shown at the start.

paulasiimwe said:
Sorry, I made an error, ads aren't shown outside the app itself.
They are shown at the start.
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How nice that you created an account just to praise them.
Does anyone has reliable infos ?

I Know it looks bad but im a legit developer with apps on play store,
email me or go on hangouts for more info : [email protected]
Search for an app on Google Play called Image Converter made by dev called "Paul Asiimwe", check the info and you'll see that same email.
You can ask me all you want there.

After plenty of time, I can settle with my final opinion about Ogury, based on my personal experience.
Pros:
High CPM.
Easy to implement.
Nice staff.
Clean dashboard.
Low payment threshold.
Ads can be disabled by the user. A pro for user compliance (although the button to do so is quite hidden).
Cons:
Usually low fill rate, although there has been a short period with 100% fill rate.
Poor SDK. There's no pre-load. It may be updated in future though, I guess.
Requires heavy authorizations. Personally, about 20-25% of my users never accepted those new permissions and never updated.
Requires a background service. I wasn't running any service before and received some complaints by users who noticed the change.
Ads can be disabled by the user. Also a con, because fill rate is 0% now. Luckily, they can't do it easily - LoL.
Intricate procedure to ask for a payment (it's not automatic).
Hefty fee (14€ for me) on the bank transfer (you probably want to be paid via Paypal).
No one told me about the above mentioned things related to payments.
Payment was late and was received after a solicitation.
Based on this, if you chose Ogury I suggest to implement it before the launch, because doing it on the way may upset the user base.
After all, the revenue was very good and it's worth as long as you can find a way to keep users happy.

Hi Paul,
My concern is do they have fast supporting? And what about the time for approval?
Thanks alot!

TramPham said:
Hi Paul,
My concern is do they have fast supporting? And what about the time for approval?
Thanks alot!
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I can tell that support is super rapid and there's no time of approval. I needed 1 minute to register, and 15 minutes to implement the code. Ads are instanlty live.

My concern is, what about the privacy policy we provide with our app ?
I think it had to be wrote somewhere that the ad network is collecting user datas.

What about other networks that specialize in the African continent like AdVine, Mobiclicks Direct, TwinPine, or Thumbtribe?

Honor 5x $1 bonanza is a SCAM

This is a scam. They are not giving any $1 Honor 5x. I already had my address in my profile and the item in my cart. I clicked on "proceed to checkout", after less than 1 second that the button appeared, yet it got stuck on order summary, how could they have clicked the shipping option, payment method, click the "I have read the term and conditions" and then click the pay button, be redirected to 3rd party website and have paid for item, in less than second of what it took me to access the payment website where it hung? It happened 2 times already.
Even if you already have item In your cart and shipping address stored in your profile, you still have to go through this process. You cannot automate these steps, they have to be done manually.
- click on proceed to checkout
- click on shipping option
- click the dot on "payment method"
- select the square on the right that says "I accept the terms and conditions"
- click the "pay" button
- be redirected to their party website
- enter your payment information and pay
I had the $1 item already in my cart. I have been refreshing like crazy. I clicked on "proceed to checkout", my timing my flawless and as soon as I got to the checkout page, it was gone, out of stock in less than second. It is IMPOSSIBLE, let me repeat, impossible, that they could have gone through those 7 steps in less time than what it took me to simply click on "proceed to checkout". This is a scam to bring huge traffic to their site, where they will make more revenue from visits, and also people will buy their legit deals, 30% off and the bundle. Also, how convenient that the winner happens to be a guy who constantly posts pictures of different phones, wallpapers, selling, comparing and reviewing phones, and he is part of the google+ honor usa community.
//plus.google.com/+GaryBell/posts/3bYAFd9NCQR
How convenient that right after I say on the honor blog that there is no proof that anyone could have won, and this could be a scam, suddenly that link/winner pops up.
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Sour grapes much?
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A scam? Really??
So because you didn't magically win, when going up against who knows how many other people, the offer must be a scam? One would have to have an understanding of how the hosted services on the internet works to be able to ascertain whether or not this is a "Scam" or not. And I can assure you that the results you encountered were the same as many others. Ever been through a Woot-Off when a BoC get's posted? Same idea....

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So because you didn't magically win, when going up against who knows how many other people, the offer must be a scam? One would have to have an understanding of how the hosted services on the internet works to be able to ascertain whether or not this is a "Scam" or not. And I can assure you that the results you encountered were the same as many others. Ever been through a Woot-Off when a BoC get's posted? Same idea....
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How would you know is not just a plot to get more traffic to their store?
This is a big business we are talking about, do you think they give a crap about you? All they care about is money. Do you really think they are gonna give away free phones? lmao How convenient that after I ask on the honor blog that there is no way for us to know if is legit or not, and that they could easily create fake profiles/buy reviewers, suddenly, right after a guy pops up on the honor google plus page claiming to have won the phone lol
Whatever, i already have the phone, but i feel bad for those people who cannot afford one, had their hopes up, wasted their whole day on this, only for some other guy who obviously is well off and changes phones every month, supposedly won another new phone

Fowleri said:
How would you know is not just a plot to get more traffic to their store?
This is a big business we are talking about, do you think they give a crap about you? All they care about is money. Do you really think they are gonna give away free phones? lmao How convenient that after I ask on the honor blog that there is no way for us to know if is legit or not, and that they could easily create fake profiles/buy reviewers, suddenly, right after a guy pops up on the honor google plus page claiming to have won the phone lol
Whatever, i already have the phone, but i feel bad for those people who cannot afford one, had their hopes up, wasted their whole day on this, only for some other guy who obviously is well off and changes phones every month, supposedly won another new phone
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And the butthurt continues.
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Some people's children...