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Hi folks,
I am seeing 1530 mah batteries on sale in eBay now. They are supposed to be the same size as the original 1350 mah battery. My problem is that the image used to display the battery is the same as the image used to display the original 1350 mah battery. (Part number: 35H00120-01M)
So, is this a "rip off" or are the sellers just lazy and use an "old" image?
Does anyone have any experience with these new high capacity batteries that they can share with this forum?
Thank you,
David
Hmm... well you also see sellers on Ebay flogging adaptors specifically to convert the audio output of the Touch HD to a 3.5mm socket... Puzzled.
My experience with cheap far east batteries for various products is very mixed. I've had some really good ones at silly low prices, yet some others that were no good at all.
Sometimes they omit protection devices from the batteries to save cost, which can make them more prone to blowing up especially if inadvertently overcharged or short-circuited. Omitting this protection can also help make room for larger capacity cells.
Usual phrase applies: "buyer beware".
Personally I would avoid.
I have used a lot of 3rd party batteries before and I would say 95% of them are rubbish especially the ones where they claim higher capacity for the same physical size. I have used larger batteries that comes with its own custom battery cover. Only these types of batteries have lasted longer than the original.
At the end of the day HTC, Nokia, SE, Samsung etc. would want to pack the highest possible capacity for a given space while maintaining safety standards. They know what they're doing... They want to "squeeze" as much as possible to make our devices smaller. Cheap 3rd party manufacturers are not going to have the same clout.
Li Polomer ? Battery from another phone??
Could the difference in capacity be due to an upgrade in technology? That is moving from a straight Li ion battery to a Li ion polymer battery?
Further to this discussion, are there any other batteries from another make / model phone / PDA that is 100% compatible with the HTC Touch HD AND has a higher capacity than the original 1350 mah?
Thank you,
David
I would say it has to be a few months more before any decent extended battery appears in the market.
Stupid question: Has the Diamond (or the Touch Pro) the same batteries, or at least the same size? I think there will be more battieres for the Diamond right now, as it has been published a few weeks earlier.
johnpatcher said:
Stupid question: Has the Diamond (or the Touch Pro) the same batteries, or at least the same size? I think there will be more battieres for the Diamond right now, as it has been published a few weeks earlier.
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Diamond and Touch Pro share the same battery. i have a second HTC OEM Blackstone battery for backup. the ebay posting could also be a typo; 1350 vs. 1530? if i'm going for extra capacity, it will be with a battery that provides at least 25%+ more capacity.
delewin said:
Could the difference in capacity be due to an upgrade in technology? That is moving from a straight Li ion battery to a Li ion polymer battery?
Further to this discussion, are there any other batteries from another make / model phone / PDA that is 100% compatible with the HTC Touch HD AND has a higher capacity than the original 1350 mah?
Thank you,
David
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New technologies tend to be more expensive when they are brought to the market to cover development costs, and it's very rarely, that cheap asian products represent newest technologies, which is not used by the big manufacturing companies ...
Hi Guys,
If you are looking for good and reputation battery source,
you can proceed to www.worcell.com
They provide high quality batteries, be it normal or high capacity.
I bought an O2 Atom Life battery. It could last me 3 good days with high usage.
Now, I'm still waiting for them to produce the Blackstone battery. I definitely will get
one space battery!
delewin said:
Hi folks,
I am seeing 1530 mah batteries on sale in eBay now. They are supposed to be the same size as the original 1350 mah battery. My problem is that the image used to display the battery is the same as the image used to display the original 1350 mah battery. (Part number: 35H00120-01M)
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Well i think it's an typo. 1530 - 1350. Why not 1600 or something else. 1530mAh is a verry strang capacity for a battery.
HTC MAX 4G T8290 battery
I thought perhaps the 1500mAh battery that comes with the MAX 4G might fit into our Touch HDs. But the MAX is slightly thicker than the HD which may explain a bigger battery..
That Worcell site looks promising.
o2crazy said:
Hi Guys,
If you are looking for good and reputation battery source,
you can proceed to www.worcell.com
They provide high quality batteries, be it normal or high capacity.
I bought an O2 Atom Life battery. It could last me 3 good days with high usage.
Now, I'm still waiting for them to produce the Blackstone battery. I definitely will get
one space battery!
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Thank you 02crazy, that Worcell site looks promising.
I agree. A little patients will be beneficial. I envisage a 1800 mah or 2200 mah extended battery option soon. It will come with a matching back, to allow for the extra thickness of the battery. This would not put me off, as I have used a PDA with a "piggy back" second battery for years. (It would not win a beauty contest, but it lasted for days.)
Regards,
David
cortez.i said:
Diamond and Touch Pro share the same battery.
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But does this mean that the HD uses the same battery as well?
cortez.i said:
Diamond and Touch Pro share the same battery.
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How sure are you about that? Diamond's battery is 900mah and Pro's is 1350nah!
I have ordered a battery for 1530. Obtained in 1500. The manufacturer is unknown, that photo http://picasaweb.google.ru/lh/photo/WZxn7zATZXWUD2u7VU1dHQ?feat=directlink
Test has not yet succeeded. But at first look, working longer
Ηello! i am thinking to buy this cheap ebay batteries (if they worth it). Does anyone know if they are good?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1530mah...372724?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a6f0f3cb4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Recharg...ccessories&hash=item3cb6f811c3#ht_2991wt_1138
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Galili-...Accessories&hash=item230b076791#ht_2931wt_950
Any good battery close to stock battery? I want to buy a new one!
Hello,
i have an idea because the battery of my DELL Streak 7 is quite bad. So i thought, if i get another li-ion battery from a notebook for example, i could build it into the device. Would it be detected?
greetz.
I think it should, I mean why not, provided you do the connections properly. 1 thing, the battery specs perhaps must be same or nearly same as the original battery.
What do you mean with specs? I need a more powerful battery so the mAh should be different.
Main problem is:
1) If the Streak uses an in-pack fuel gauge it could be difficult.
2) Getting a battery of the correct dimensions to fit is going to be extremely difficult
However, if you don't mind issues with form factor, you could:
Make a dummy battery from plastic or wood
Run wires out from this dummy battery to an 18650 holder
Put in a protected 18650 - easy, 2-3 AH battery.
Form factor will suck though
Which reminds me, I need to make a dummy battery for my GS2 to measure power consumption.
I solved it with a external battery. But i will think about it in future.
Thanks for the answers
No wonder the Samsung Galaxy battery has such a short duration of power...If you think about it, Duo core 1.2Ghz is even STRONGER than most laptops...and their battery range ( for Laptops ) even EXEEDS 4200 mAh...and here we have a Smartphone with only 1650 mAh...Maybe its because of the bigger 15.6" screen's wattage that it has to pull...
RobinHoodSnr said:
No wonder the Samsung Galaxy battery has such a short duration of power...If you think about it, Duo core 1.2Ghz is even STRONGER than most laptops...and their battery range ( for Laptops ) even EXEEDS 4200 mAh...and here we have a Smartphone with only 1650 mAh...Maybe its because of the bigger 15.6" screen's wattage that it has to pull...
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Biggest draw in any system in the backlight for the display, phones or laptops. Secong in laptops is non-SSD hard drives while second in phones is wireless transmission (network mostly but bluetooth and wireless as well).
In terms of the battery the biggest spec you have to worry about is Voltage. most devices regulate what comes off the battery to an extent but still requires it to be within a certain range. Basically, matching is the best and definitely don't try to put a 12V battery in a spot which previously had a 3.7V battery! Unless of course you want to see some fireworks (well, atleast some smoke)! :Þ
Wow, i didnt think that anybody will look at this thread
If anybody plans to build a new battery, post it here
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Biggest draw in any system in the backlight for the display, phones or laptops. Secong in laptops is non-SSD hard drives while second in phones is wireless transmission (network mostly but bluetooth and wireless as well).
In terms of the battery the biggest spec you have to worry about is Voltage. most devices regulate what comes off the battery to an extent but still requires it to be within a certain range. Basically, matching is the best and definitely don't try to put a 12V battery in a spot which previously had a 3.7V battery! Unless of course you want to see some fireworks (well, atleast some smoke)! :Þ
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Also, only the lowest-power laptops are clocked at 1.2 GHz - and there's MASSIVE differences between old 1.2 GHz laptop CPUs and dual-core Cortex-A9.
TDP of an Intel SU3500 ULV is 5.5 watts - that's in addition to the motherboard chipset and GPU.
TDP of the lowest-power Core i3 is 17 watts
Atoms start at 1.2 watts for the 1.2 GHz single-core Z600 and go upwards from there. Again - add chipset and graphics to that.
Compare to, for example, OMAP4460 - the data I'm seeing indicates a max consumption of around 2.6W for the whole chip - CPU, GPU, and all onchip peripherals (typically found within the motherboard chipset on desktop systems.)
heat dissipation (phone case)
a big mistake people make a lot is charging their phones while their phone casing is on, or even using heavy apps with the phone casing on. Phone case covers the battery and increases heat dissipation thus reducing battery life quickly. take note peeps
exebreez said:
Hello,
i have an idea because the battery of my DELL Streak 7 is quite bad. So i thought, if i get another li-ion battery from a notebook for example, i could build it into the device. Would it be detected?
greetz.
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No man you cant do it.
Very good tip on removing casing from battery to extend life! Mm battery life sucks as is.....I will be enjoying your tip ty
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thinking about doing something like this with my desire hd. I have 3 extended 1600mah batteries. I was thinking about modding a case and running wires to the other battery to increase the capacity. Just cutting a battery sized hole in my case would work. The only problem i see is that the if there is a chip on the battery that measures the level. Although i could just rip it out and see how that works. Itd be nice to have a 3200mah battery
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I don't understand why everyone thinks about doing stuff like this. Building batteries is best left to the professionals. They put lots of thought into the design and construction. They include temperature sensors, voltage and current so you can't overcharge, over discharge, or anything in between.
http://www.ladyada.net/library/batteries.html
Why not buy just a large extended battery that is purpose built?
giritrobbins said:
I don't understand why everyone thinks about doing stuff like this. Building batteries is best left to the professionals. They put lots of thought into the design and construction. They include temperature sensors, voltage and current so you can't overcharge, over discharge, or anything in between.
http://www.ladyada.net/library/batteries.html
Why not buy just a large extended battery that is purpose built?
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well for my desire hd you cant get more than a 1500mAh extended battery. 1500mAh being actual size from a trusted brand. So battery life sucks
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stumpyz9 said:
thinking about doing something like this with my desire hd. I have 3 extended 1600mah batteries. I was thinking about modding a case and running wires to the other battery to increase the capacity. Just cutting a battery sized hole in my case would work. The only problem i see is that the if there is a chip on the battery that measures the level. Although i could just rip it out and see how that works. Itd be nice to have a 3200mah battery
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium
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If your phone uses an in-pack fuel gauge - not worth the hassle.
Some devices, like most Samsungs, use an in-system fuel gauge - the pack has nothing but the basic protection circuits (over/undervoltage lockout, overcurrent/short protection) and sometimes an ID resistor, so if you wire in a larger battery with the same protection circuits (and possibly an ID resistor to the correct pin) it'll work.
DO NOT mess with unprotected Lithium-Ion packs or cells! It's a great way to make them go boom!
The same place giritrobbins linked SELLS prebuilt packs with protection circuitry including purpose-built chargers - http://www.adafruit.com/category/44
Getting any of these to fit in the form factor of an existing device will be next to impossible, but you can use some of the products above to make an external pack for devices that don't put fuel gauge or management circuitry into the pack (such as, as I stated before, most Samsungs).
http://www.adafruit.com/products/353 - that's a pre-matched 3-cell 18650 pack that includes all required protection circuitry. It would be electrically compatible with, for example, the battery in my Galaxy S II (other than not having NFC like my battery does, and someone would have to wire a resistor between the ID contact and ground of a dummy battery to work with a GSII.)
I was looking into this because it sucks that you can't have this option on tablets. I don't understand why these companies don't make tablets like they do cellphones.
Tablets will have batteries with higher mAh capacities than phones. So unless you don't mind shorter battery life, you would need to use multiple cell phone battery packs in parallel to match the mAh capacity.
The biggest roadblock is getting the battery safety system to work. The 3rd terminal on lithium batteries in cell phones is used to monitor the battery and can be as simple as a thermistor or sometimes more complex. I'm not sure how standardized this is across brands.
Yeah if it was done with 2 ports that would work...
I wanna buy additional battery for galaxy s4 i9500
if i buy zerolemon 3000mAh battery i dont get nfc
if i buy samsung oem 2600mAh battery i get nfc...
i dont care about nfc to be frank
I want to know if that zerolemon battery can fry the chipset or motherboard or any other part ?
coz my playstation got fried coz of a duplicate adapter and it happend over a time period of 8 months... !
so i wanna know can zerolemon 3000mAh battery fry my chipset coz its like 20$ for 2 batteries and a free charger but samsung will be like 25$ for 1 battery without a charger ....
please help
thanks
anuj6111 said:
I wanna buy additional battery for galaxy s4 i9500
if i buy zerolemon 3000mAh battery i dont get nfc
if i buy samsung oem 2600mAh battery i get nfc...
i dont care about nfc to be frank
I want to know if that zerolemon battery can fry the chipset or motherboard or any other part ?
coz my playstation got fried coz of a duplicate adapter and it happend over a time period of 8 months... !
so i wanna know can zerolemon 3000mAh battery fry my chipset coz its like 20$ for 2 batteries and a free charger but samsung will be like 25$ for 1 battery without a charger ....
please help
thanks
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If NFC ain't working,it is safer to use official.
Other than mAh ,also check input, output volt,etc.
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If NFC ain't working,it is safer to use official.
Other than mAh ,also check input, output volt,etc.
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The input and output everything is same as samsung only manufacturer is different .... so I am confused if zerolemon is giving the battery so cheap is it e1 up to the quality standards of samsung ... coz I dont want to fry this device ... can't afford another one for 2 yrs ..
be easy. Never will it fry your chipset.
the sumsung battery is 3.8v in average , 4.35V limited, highest li-ion battery. most other battery is 3.7v average,4.2 limited.
waht's more, inside the phone there are protection circuit and dc-dc circuit to low the battery voltage from 3.5-4.35 to the voltages every part of phone needed.
jiant.li said:
be easy. Never will it fry your chipset.
the sumsung battery is 3.8v in average , 4.35V limited, highest li-ion battery. most other battery is 3.7v average,4.2 limited.
waht's more, inside the phone there are protection circuit and dc-dc circuit to low the battery voltage from 3.5-4.35 to the voltages every part of phone needed.
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are you sure about this thing ?
if this the senario then i will buy the zerolemon 3000mAh batteries as they are way cheaper than samsung oem !:victory:
The thing is this:
Any battery, even OEM, has the potential to harm your device, but the Samsung batteries are very high quality and less likely than the super-cheap chinese knock off copies that are made to look like Samsung batteries that you see everywhere on eBay.
A good aftermarket battery, such as Anker (or Zero Lemon or Mugen, etc.) is probably just as safe as OEM, because their quality is also very high, and they carry a good warranty. Personally, I have used Anker in my S2, S3 without any issues at all for years.
zero lemon it is then !!:victory:
donalgodon said:
The thing is this:
Any battery, even OEM, has the potential to harm your device, but the Samsung batteries are very high quality and less likely than the super-cheap chinese knock off copies that are made to look like Samsung batteries that you see everywhere on eBay.
A good aftermarket battery, such as Anker (or Zero Lemon or Mugen, etc.) is probably just as safe as OEM, because their quality is also very high, and they carry a good warranty. Personally, I have used Anker in my S2, S3 without any issues at all for years.
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yeah, but the potential is very few. There are many protection circuit for the phone. only if all of them failed, which rarely happens.
Chinese battery is always unsafe and ,it has less mAh than it marked.
I'v buy a 2000mAh in my country for S2 whose OEM battery only 1600mAh. I test it on a balance charger for modelplanes, only 1100mAh.
Stick with 'reputable' brands if you're going to use non-Samsung batteries. Not worth risking $800 worth of electronics to find out why the hard way.
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Stick with 'reputable' brands if you're going to use non-Samsung batteries. Not worth risking $800 worth of electronics to find out why the hard way.
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Is zerolemon reputable ??
Can't personally vouch for them/not as I've never used their products. But price is almost always a good guide with these things, if they're really cheap, stay away from their stuff.
they are cheap but a lotta people using them ...
So I am confused .... should I just buy oem ?
There's no 'right/wrong answer'. Some people on here have had good experiences with them, some people haven't. I suspect this is because quality of manufacture can vary widely between manufacturers & even between different 'batches' of the same battery from the same manufacturer. For me, I've had one experience with a cheapo brand non-Samsung battery (with my S2) which was a poor one & I was fortunate I could get a refund. End result = I won't use anything other than original Samsung batteries.
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There's no 'right/wrong answer'. Some people on here have had good experiences with them, some people haven't. I suspect this is because quality of manufacture can vary widely between manufacturers & even between different 'batches' of the same battery from the same manufacturer. For me, I've had one experience with a cheapo brand non-Samsung battery (with my S2) which was a poor one & I was fortunate I could get a refund. End result = I won't use anything other than original Samsung batteries.
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so basically its a gamble !
and in my case the house always wins !!!
so i think it will be better to stick to oem batteries ...
It can be a gamble, yeah. But plenty of people on here swear non-Samsung/cheap (as opposed to more expensive ones from reliable companies like Mugen, etc) batteries are fine from lots of manufacturers & they've had good experiences with them, however, if you look through Accessories/elsewhere, you see plenty of people who haven't had good experiences with them.
If you want a battery to work exactly as it should, be at or very very close to the rated capacity printed on the outside, and to last you a reasonable amount of time/give you plenty of use guaranteed (important word), then buy Samsung branded batteries. You know the quality of manufacture is consistent/of a high standard, and if you somehow get one that isn't, it's easy to get a replacement or your money back (and cases like this are rare).
zerolemon says battery for 19$ + 15$ for shipping !!
Lmao ! :laugh::laugh:
i can get the samsung official charging kit and official battery for less than that here !!
OEM it is then !
I have the Anker battery and find it better than the stock battery. Could be placebo but I find it gives me a tiny bit extra battery life.
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I would never go aftermarket to be honest. I just couldn't stomach the thought of my phone being denied quality power supply.
May be yes.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 4.
Not asking the obvious here.
I'm wondering if I can replace the battery a year or two down the line, assuming I have a respectable arsenal of tools. I know batteries wear out, and I'd like to keep this phone alive as long as I can.
Was wondering this as well. I watched a takedown vid and it appears like the battery is molded for formed into part of the rear framework or something. They didn't show it being removed. But you can get to it so someone will probably make a replacement I'm guessing.
Video I saw, battery looks like a bear to replace.
Can it be done? Yes. Is it worth it? The answer to that question depends on this IMO: Will you be able to buy a FRESH new/unused battery with performance and safety certification at least as good as the original, two years from now (one year after XT1575 production ends)?
Don't overlook the FRESH (chronological age) aspect. Li-Ion batteries start losing capacity the moment they are manufactured, typical estimates are about 70% of fresh capacity or less after 2 years and dropping further over time. Even if battery sits unused in new package on a shelf the whole time.
And don't overlook the performance and safety either. Aftermarket batteries are a dice roll on both counts.
Gotta get em from a reputable company. I've used Anker and have had no problems...
Sporttster said:
Gotta get em from a reputable company. I've used Anker and have had no problems...
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Anker is a good company in my experience.
But: Can you confirm the date of manufacture of Li-Ion batteries they sell?
I have never been able to get a straight answer on the date of manufacture of aftermarket Li-Ion cellphone batteries from sellers or manufacturers, and even most OEM batteries do not provide this information to the end user (or it is coded in markings on the battery and the end user cannot get the secret decoder ring).
Since Li-Ion batteries have a chronological life limit of about 2-3 years, with capacity dropping below 70% typically by 2 years regardless of service or duty cycles, this is important information. And I believe that the reason you cannot get this freshness information is because replacement Li-Ion cellphone batteries are all stale.
I too have replaced cellphone batteries and "had no problems". But they were stale OEM or aftermarket batteries, and not as good as fresh new OEM. This is a dirty little secret of the aftermarket Li-Ion cellphone battery market.
2 year product life cycle. Rapidly diminishing returns after that. See the product life cycle, be the product life cycle.