How can I disable USB charging on a rooted S4, or rather default to wireless when both are connected. Yes, I have read the posts about cutting the 5v wire, but want a less permanent solution that still lets the usb port function normally.
I have the Pioneer AppRadio 3 and use my phone for maps/GPS and pandora in the car. When the MHL HDMI cable is connected, it only charges at ~500mA (due to need to transfer data) which is not enough to compensate for the display, bluetooth and cpu usage, therefore my phone discharges when connected while driving.
I installed a wireless charging pad and receiver rated at 1000mA, hooked it all up to a hardwired 5V 2A power supply, and when it is in place, the phone charges as expected until I plug in the MHL HDMI cable. It then disables wireless charging and uses the ~500mA from the cable instead.
The MHL HDMI and bluetooth connection are required for the radio system to function.
Since it chooses USB over wireless when they are both connected, there should be a setting buried deep somewhere to affect which it chooses.
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Brad
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Is there any way to see if the unit is being fast or slow charged? It seems that the HTC charger uses an extra pin on the charger to enable fast charging and that MAY be why some aftermarket chargers (wall and car) do not seem to keep up with the battery discharge when running even if their plugged into a charger with sufficiant current capability. The HTC Wall caheger is rated as a 1 Amp charger. I have other chargers that use an external USB cable to connect, both rated as 1.5Amp (1500mA) chargers but seem to charge very slow. Soooooo I'm looking for the difference between the HTC charger and the aftemarket ones to see if I can make the ones I have work properly.
Thanks for any help
joe
<edit> in Looking at the Mini USB spec I find 5 pins labeled 1-2-3-x-4 with 1being VCC (5v), 2 & 3 being Data + & - and 4 being Gnd. Does the Advantage use the X pin to enable fast charging? How? Does it provide a second 5v line to cause/enable the Advantage to fastcharge? I think I need to look at the wall charger mini USB pinouts.
After talking to Pocket PC Techs and looking around online, it looks like the x-pin (next to pin 4(gnd)) is shorted to pin 4 to provide the advantage with a sense line to tell it to fast charge. The also shuts off the data lines in the unit AFAICT. Still don't know what the current capability of "Fast Charge" is or how to ask the unit to query the port for status. USB ports are generaly limited to 500ma and the stock charger is 1000ma (1A) so it seems that to ensure the MAX charge, the cable connected needs to have the x pin and pin 4 shorted. This is usefull if you are NOT wanting to do a data transfer (car GPS, stand alone charging, etc).
Here is a link to the connector http://pinouts.ru/PDA/pda_miniusb_pinout.shtml
Anyone can add to this?
Joe
I just received the Lil Sync DUO Mini-5 Adapter from PPC tech and it works perfectly. I'm now getting a fast charge from my PC (no sync) and I'm able to charge my S705 bluetooth headset.
Interesting news on the pinouts. I've never heard of any utility that shows fast vs. slow charge.
I wonder if anyone has a utility that can sense a gnd on the x pin (next to gnd) of the input connector. Does anyone have a schematic of the advantage side of the input power/data connector. It would me that there might be a pullup on that line sothe unit see's it as a high untill pulled low by a ground applied tothe x pin.
here you have "hot to do it"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396053
ppa25 said:
I just received the Lil Sync DUO Mini-5 Adapter from PPC tech and it works perfectly. I'm now getting a fast charge from my PC (no sync) and I'm able to charge my S705 bluetooth headset.
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Please tell me i need "PPC Techs HTC Advantage Lil Sync Extended Cable + mini 5 DUO" ( http://www.expansys.com.gr/p.aspx?i=145972) or ONLY "PPC Techs HTC Advantage Lil Sync DUO Mini-5 USB Adapter" (http://www.expansys.com.gr/p.aspx?i=145975) ?
Hi,
I saw while using Tbattery 0.56 that when I plug the original AC charger that the S/W (Kaiser) detects it and therefore he pulls more current from the charger.
When I use USB cable, its detects "USB" and takes less current.
now for my question, I have a AC charger from Parrot and when I'm connecting it the device acknowledge it as a "USB" not "AC charger".
Does anyone know if there is an Hardware pin in the mini USB that notify the kaiser wether its USB or AC charger ?
Regards
Nir
Hi Nir
I don't have a Kaiser, but on my prophet I've had quite the same problem.
The USB / AC difference is about the current...
On my USB charger (able to charge any USB device), the current is 0.5A
On my AC charger, provided with my prophet, the current is 1A.
As a result, when my battery is completely drained, i'm unable to charge the device via a simple USB charger. I've got to give a kickstart using the AC charger.
Hope this helps.
David
I have diamond. same 'problem' (or more of a protection from current overdraw) here.
Actually the original ac adaptor shorted the USB data+ and data-
So you'll have to modify your 3rd party USB charger by connecting the center 2 pin of usb jack. you shouldnt do this on pc or laptop as this will render usb connection useless if it doesnt fry your devices.
Do it on your own risk!!
ohms law state
amp == volt / resistence
usb is spc'd volt == 5
max amp == 0.5
AC have a much higher max amp limit then usb
so the internet resistence of the pda set the pace
and it can it seems draw a lot more then usb is spc'd to
so it's not something the device actively does it just
try to draw as many amps as it's spc'd to
resulting in ac charger charging faster then usb
Hello guys, I'm trying to interface android tab with peripherals. Problem is, it is having only one micro USB port which is used for charging and otg/host, only one function is possible at a time .But I need to charge the tab and simultaneously transfer data to peripherals, say for example I need to use external mouse and charge the tab at same time.
So, is there any way to do it?
I know usb has 4 pins 5v,d+,d-,gnd. I thought to wire charging input power to tab pin 5v and gnd and pin D+,D-of tab to mouse D+, D- and giving external power supply to 5v and gnd pin of mouse.
Is this a right method? To charge and transfer the data at the same time?
Kindly help me. Suggest a better way to do it.
(mini & micro) USB connectors have 5 pins: Vbus, D-, D+, Id, Gnd.
For OTG, the Id pin is connected to Gnd.
It's like the old adage, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
You can connect a peripheral to an OTG host and have it work fine.
You can then connect an external power supply across the Vbus and Gnd.
The problem is, how does your host device know that it can "drink"?
There are basically two ways.
If the host detects power on its input before it switches into OTG host mode it may continue to charge.
If the host is in OTG host mode, device-specific commands to the charging circuits may convince it to charge.
There may also be non-standard Id resistor values for signalling host & charge for some devices.
I think your mileage would vary very much depending on what devices your using. AOS was not meant to deal with people hacking on the USB port, and probably the code to implement those features depend on your HW/FW.
If its a Samsung, you can play with some resistor values like these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25532839&postcount=2
I think the USB "CarKit" specifications should allow you both to charge and "connect" in some way.
A more easy solution would be to use a BlueTooth mouse and keep charging as usual.
I have the Galaxy S8+ Snapdragon and I love (almost) everything about it.
I am on a mission to have a portable desktop experience, but I am running into an annoying issue. I cannot find any solution to maintain a positive charging state whilst mirroring to an external display. Fast Cable Charging and Fast Wireless Charging both drop to regular charging speed when I am connected via USB-C to any external device. Regardless if I use the Samsung wireless fast charging dock or a USB-C dongle with passthrough charging, I cannot maintain a positive charging state and my battery gradually, or sometimes hastily starts to decline.
I have tried
EP-NG930TBUGUS Wireless Charging Stand
in combination with:
direct USB-C male-male connection to ASUS MB169C+
direct connection to any monitor with Samsung Superior "4K Ultra HD" HDMI Adapter USB-C to HDMI Adapter
I have also tried a USB-C hub: Cynergy mini USB C Docking Station USB 3.1 4K HDMI and Ethernet Multiport Adapter with USB C Power Delivery for Charging and USB 3.0 Hub
Every setup works! Mirroring is displayed at 4k 60hz, 4k 30hz, or 1080p 60hz, depending on which device is used. The only problem is, no matter what settings I change or other battery draining services I disable, the battery keeps decreasing, despite being in a charging (not fast charging) state.
Has anyone else tried this or been able to achieve what I have not? If I cannot do it, HOW CAN DEX DO IT? My thought is that it must be in the software to enable it if Dex is recognized, because they know they have the phone on a cooling stand and they don't want a bigass battery explosion mishap like they did with the Note 7. So, they intentionally disable fast charging while connected to external devices.
Fast charging is disabled once the screen is on, how do you know dex still allows fast charging while running??
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Fast charging is disabled once the screen is on, how do you know dex still allows fast charging while running??
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Good question.
I gather that your point is fast charging is disabled with an external display is connected, because external displays are always on.
Unfortunately I do not have a Dex in my possession so I cannot speak to how it functions. That being said, regardless of whether my phone is in fast charge mode or not, my battery depletes when I am plugged into any external display. This includes external displays that have their own power source... like my TV for example.
So that would beg the question: how can Dex retain a charge on the connected external display when all other devices I have tested cannot? The only answer I can come up with is that the device allows an accelerated level of charging when connected to a predetermined external device. It makes sense, considering the Dex desktop experience can't seem to be invoked without being plugged into the specific Dex hardware...
Thanks for your response, I am looking for any and all constructive troubleshooting here.
Isn't the screen on when it's connected to the external display? That would disable fast charging.
Hi, did you find any solution? I'm on this mission too, in fact, i'm coming from a moto z because it lacks of hdmi output, and i think you already know that chromecast isn't a solution.
Hello guys,
Does anyone knows if there is a otg cable/hub that can power the tablet and be able to use data like usb connected at the same time?
Thanks
The 2019 tablet does not need this, since the port is USB type C albeit USB 2.0; I have connected mine to a hub and have pass-through charging and data. OTG is not really a thing any more since USB type C came about.
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The 2019 tablet does not need this, since the port is USB type C albeit USB 2.0; I have connected mine to a hub and have pass-through charging and data. OTG is not really a thing any more since USB type C came about.
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Can you share the type of hub you have been used?
Is the charging speed fine?
Kingston Nucleum. This tablet is in my car and the hub receives power from a 12-14v converter providing USB C PD and USB 3.0 fast charge. Ultimately, the hub defaults charging voltage to that of the lowest device connected. In my case a Sandisk SSD and a Meizu HiFi DAC Pro. This generally means that charging is slow, however it depends on your configuration. I'd say that the charging speed is fine, however it only charges when the car is running or in accessory mode and the tablet is always on in that state. As such the excess power it uses to charge whilst running is only a little more than it uses. It might charge faster if I power the hub from the USB C PD port, however I don't know if this is just pure amps or whether it negotiates higher charging voltages. I don't know if the Nucleum hub allows negotiation of higher charging voltages.
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Kingston Nucleum. This tablet is in my car and the hub receives power from a 12-14v converter providing USB C PD and USB 3.0 fast charge. Ultimately, the hub defaults charging voltage to that of the lowest device connected. In my case a Sandisk SSD and a Meizu HiFi DAC Pro. This generally means that charging is slow, however it depends on your configuration. I'd say that the charging speed is fine, however it only charges when the car is running or in accessory mode and the tablet is always on in that state. As such the excess power it uses to charge whilst running is only a little more than it uses. It might charge faster if I power the hub from the USB C PD port, however I don't know if this is just pure amps or whether it negotiates higher charging voltages. I don't know if the Nucleum hub allows negotiation of higher charging voltages.
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Nice, i'm using for the same purpose.
In my dash car
I'm also using MacroDroid for automation.
My issue right now is how should i leave the tablet when i turn ignition off.
I Think i will just shut it down, but i don't like to wait 30 seconds to but again when i turn it on.
What do you do in your case?
I'll have to check out MacroDroid. I'm currently set up with AutoMate, however there's a few annoyances which I think need ironing out. Vanilla Android Auto might not be the most exciting, but it's certainly the most friendly for driving safety.
I leave my tablet as-is. AutoMate automatically wakes the tablet into car mode on USB power and goes to sleep when it loses that. My car (Chrysler 300C) has accessory power for 30s (I think I can increase this in the EVIC) after the ignition is turned off which keeps the charger energised, and by extension the tablet. I'm not too bothered about having to boot up the tablet if it does discharge its battery to shutdown. I think it's maybe a week or so for it to do that, likely less when the tablet ages. As long as it charges and runs on the supply happily I think we're good. In that instance, I might have to see whether an auxiliary power bank would be a workable option. Not at this stage though. Bear in mind that most modern car head units still take about the same amount of time to boot as an Android tablet anyway.
I'm having minor USB issues myself, however this is down to the cable I need not being available. A lot of USB C "charging" cables are only pinned for power and not data. This might be part of any USB C issues you might be having. I myself need a USB C male with a tight 90° or 180° turn, out to a USB C female for the hub's pigtail. I might have to make the choice to fabricobble myself a USB cable just for this purpose....
This is a photo of the install, prior to me wrapping it in 3M brushed black steel vinyl.
I'm updating all of my comments in various threads on this. My setup with the Kingston Nucleum hubis having minor issues. The tablet still needs to be powered up before I turn on the car or at least supply power to the hub. It seems that if this is done the other way around, that is, to power on the car accessories (and hence the hub) then it seems to end up staying as the "device in charge" of the USB network. The tablet charges (slowly) but doesn't mount the USB SSD drive or the USB DAC. If the tablet is powering the hub (in charge, so to speak) then applying power to the hub via the car accessory supply has it working as expected. This does mean that the tablet ends up with a power drain when the car/USB power supply is powered down which isn't ideal. I've gotten into the habit of turning the tablet off when I park for long periods of time, however I need to boot it up to "take charge" of the USB hub network before I can start the car. It's a bit of a bummer.
I'm unsure whether this is a tablet hardware/software issue, the hub or whatever. Going into Android settings and trying to alter the default USB behaviour returns the message that it "cannot switch roles" or something along those lines. I'm beginning to think that this might be the USB hub refusing to switch/relinquish power supply roles once it has external power and hence not allowing the tablet to mount drives or see connected USB devices. It's weird behaviour, because you'd imagine that if the hub were connected to a laptop this would be a common action.
If it helps, I've read that OTG function is not included by Samsung for their device's USB ports. I've been trying to connect some together to perform file transfers with no success. However, I have been able to transfer and charge simultaneously between my SM-T510 tablet and PCs with the USB configuration set to file transfer.
Prostheta said:
The 2019 tablet does not need this, since the port is USB type C albeit USB 2.0; I have connected mine to a hub and have pass-through charging and data. OTG is not really a thing any more since USB type C came about.
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How to transfare Battery power from Tab to another Android device?