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Aria vs Captivate (newbie question)

Okay so...
I'm new to Android (and basically to smartphones in general...have a Blackjack II but no data plan with it).
I was wondering what everyone's opinions are on these phones (I know that the Captivate has not been released yet but for everyone who knows more about it that I do).
Things such as speed comparison, ease of use (for those who test drove the Captivate) , supposed battery life, availability of developer support for continued updates and/or custom ROMs, ease of root, carrier support, etc.
I want to know what phones has more advantages so that I don't get screwed over when it comes time to upgrade.
Please don't flame...not trying to start a fight or spam. Just need some help...feeling pretty lost

Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.

TexUs said:
Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.
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more support then Nexus ? i hardly doubt that. considering that first OS leaks, 3-party roms, and official roms are for Nexus only

Since there are so many different versions of it, will all custom ROMs/root methods (whether it be the AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, International) be the same or will there be the headache of trying to find one that will work with my phone?
And I've heard complaints about Samsung's customer service....how is it compared to HTC? I've never used Samsung's customer service before and never owned an HTC before.

MendedEagle said:
Since there are so many different versions of it, will all custom ROMs/root methods (whether it be the AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, International) be the same or will there be the headache of trying to find one that will work with my phone?
And I've heard complaints about Samsung's customer service....how is it compared to HTC? I've never used Samsung's customer service before and never owned an HTC before.
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I would imagine that ROMS will be different because hardware is not 100% the same, although i might be mistaken.
as far as support goes: updates on HTC are pretty slow, I heard that Samsung will be even worth. It will probably get a quick update to 2.2 and thats it.....HTC phone support sucks, but at least you spend less then 1 minute on hold for a rep.
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.

kolyan said:
I would imagine that ROMS will be different because hardware is not 100% the same, although i might be mistaken.
as far as support goes: updates on HTC are pretty slow, I heard that Samsung will be even worth. It will probably get a quick update to 2.2 and thats it.....HTC phone support sucks, but at least you spend less then 1 minute on hold for a rep.
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.
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Thanks for the response.
I guess that there wont be any true comparisons until it get released. I just hope that the Captivate lives up to the expections I have of it. Dont want it to be a complete disappointment.
Hopefully some decent custom ROMS and rooting techniques hit the forum soon. New to Android myself but my friends speak highly of these so its something I plan on doing if there is enough support for it on here. Aria has really good support here, and I hope the Captivate gets the same respect.

TexUs said:
Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.
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Samsung has rebuked that claim of the "requirement" / minimal requirement, it's actually a "recommendation."
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Samsung has rebuked that claim of the "requirement" / minimal requirement, it's actually a "recommendation."
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So the Galaxy S line definitely has the best hardware out on the market right now... The Aria is smooth in the UI, but a lot slower in graphics, computation, and every other way... The reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution... I am confident any variant of the Galaxy S will have a longer lifespan than any other android phone you buy right now... Samsung is putting a lot of eggs in this basket...

MendedEagle said:
Thanks for the response.
I guess that there wont be any true comparisons until it get released. I just hope that the Captivate lives up to the expections I have of it. Dont want it to be a complete disappointment.
Hopefully some decent custom ROMS and rooting techniques hit the forum soon. New to Android myself but my friends speak highly of these so its something I plan on doing if there is enough support for it on here. Aria has really good support here, and I hope the Captivate gets the same respect.
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right now all SGS run 2.1, hopefully soon it will get 2.2. I have been on 2.2 for about 2 months already 2.2 is a pretty big upgrade for Android mainly due to Huge performance increase and better battery life, of course bunch of other goodies as well.

aeo087 said:
So the Galaxy S line definitely has the best hardware out on the market right now... The Aria is smooth in the UI, but a lot slower in graphics, computation, and every other way... The reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution... I am confident any variant of the Galaxy S will have a longer lifespan than any other android phone you buy right now... Samsung is putting a lot of eggs in this basket...
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I'm not sure if the reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution, but it's definitely because of the CPU/GPU. It is at least 3x the speed than current smart phone in the market. It is most noticeable in 3d graphics (gamings especially or even navigation).
The sluggishness of SGS will be fixed (entirely) prettysoon by firmwares / mods / roms.
If you compare the hardwares, SGS will be the knight in the arena.

kolyan said:
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.
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But Google has signaled a pull away from that on future phones (IE, seems like they don't want to sell their own device directly). The N1 is probably going to be the exception to the rule... All other devices (HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc) you're going to have to wait for both the manufacturer and the carrier to pass updates through. So if Google doesn't directly sell the Nexus Two themselves, it'll be no different.
But here's the catch... Since Samsung has devices in all markets... They're going to be the most likely device the community will custom ROM. I could be wrong though...

TexUs said:
But Google has signaled a pull away from that on future phones (IE, seems like they don't want to sell their own device directly). The N1 is probably going to be the exception to the rule... All other devices (HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc) you're going to have to wait for both the manufacturer and the carrier to pass updates through. So if Google doesn't directly sell the Nexus Two themselves, it'll be no different.
But here's the catch... Since Samsung has devices in all markets... They're going to be the most likely device the community will custom ROM. I could be wrong though...
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I'm really hoping for some good custom ROMS for it. I'm new to the whole Android thing...including custom ROMS but I am very intrigued

back to the g1

i got a feeling t-mobile and htc aren't that serious about this phone. but since im still withing my 14 day, im gonna cancel my 2year contract, dust off my trusty g1 and go pre-paid while i wait and see how this goes. on a sidenote. i think its sad that t-mobile, who brought out the first android phone that started the whole frenzy of bringing iphone and RIM to their knees does not embrace their android devices. especially since they brought out a successor, it was just another phone to them i guess. i mean in comparison to apples iphone and att, and motorolas droid line-up and verizon, sprint and their evo. t-mobile and..... and.... wtf???

Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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xile6 said:
Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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dont get mad. be happy

hurry up n return it. stop telling us how you feel, its a phone. if u don't like it return it.

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Wtf? Is all I have to say. Y r so many dumb ppl posting
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this.
you attention whores should just log off and go away.

uh oh is this the part where i get bullied off the internet and i write a sucide note and kill myself??? nah not likely

nighthawk626 said:
uh oh is this the part where i get bullied off the internet and i write a sucide note and kill myself??? nah not likely
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We're just messing with you. If you're really unsatisfied with the G2 and seeing how you really like the other phones with other carriers why not get an HD2? Off-contract of course through craigslist. You can put just about any build into it. They're dirt cheap, like $200. Until t-mobile releases more to your liking.

LOL! Nice.
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smirkis said:
hurry up n return it. stop telling us how you feel, its a phone. if u don't like it return it.
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He got all rights to tell us how he feel, that's why forums exists wtf is wrong with yu what are a dictarorship?, don't tell others to return it yu aren't their parents, its up to them if they feel like it or not, I'm also disappointed on the phones hardware the weak ass hinges but I'm gonna wait for solution from htc I'm sure they'll solve that issue, so I'm not going to return it.

G1 was junk, no way

Dalamak said:
G1 was junk, no way
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No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.

G2 is by far the best phone out for android. My personal opinion is it craps on the vibrant which is its only close competitor. As far as the g1.... only reason id see you going back is if your the type of person who loves to flash roms constantly... the g2 stock is just as good as roms I've loaded. Its very tolerable to me and I usually hate stock android. But soon devs will have perm root (gl guys!) and we will be able to get our roms back all in due time. Could you imagine the g2 with custom firmware? This thing is a beast on stock froyo.... so go figure.
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did t-mobile hurt your feelings im sorry...... i dont think they care as long as you pay them every month but here you go a sad song

xdviper said:
No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.
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well anything would have been rough being on the ground floor for android and Abd like that, this is true, but, that was some jacked up hardware, hinges, trackball, and keybboard, u gotta admit. Felt like Shat in your hand

I sold my rooted (and only rooted, nothing else) G1 to some idiot I work with in the army for 150 bucks.... last week. Oh, I hooked him up with some badass stock apps too like amazon mp3. And a high end bodyglove hard case that tmobile had on sale for 1.99.
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xdviper said:
No way in anyway was the G1 junk. That phone paved the road for Android, Rooting, and everything else. I still love the G1.
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I still like my G1, but now my son is enjoying it with CM 6.1
I'm not sure why so many are frustrated with the G2. I'm really loving it!

To each their own. I was happy to have been part of Android since it's beginning. But Verizon really marketed the Android phone, which would save T-Mobile a lot of marketing expenses to help familiarize people with the brand. Still, T-Mobile needs more advertising for this phone and not those dumb ads aimed at Moms.
I feel insulted.
T-Mobile should have reclaimed the G2 as a successer to the orignal with better hardware (dual core, and FF camera) and features to solidify their place as the Android King, because Verizon is stealing it.
Even though I think Android will peak by the next 2 iterations, it's downhill from there. If T-Mobile doesn't make it's position known as the king of the OS, then it's going to be downhill for them.
Next iteration of phone MUST implement the dual core processsor and more features to make this a top of the line phone. I don't want a phone that runs slower (stock G2) than an already released phone like the Galaxy S.
Step it up T-Mobile, this is my warning to you if you want to stay alive after Q1 FY11. Operations over there must be changing their target audience to Moms. Not good my friend T-Mobile... not good. Unfortunately their smartphone audience that is keeping them afloat are Android lovers and devs and the ability for us to grandfather data plans.
Be the first to release the dual core processor phone, with a projector, and front facing camera. Be the first!!! Be the first to come out with something spectaculary new, and you wont need to worry about marketing as much.
Then you can let Verizon market it for you by releasing a phone of their own with similar features. Once they set their prices, with your limited budget, you will advertise your phone with those features for less money.
Then you'll be all set. Thanks T-Mo and thanks OP for letting me ramble in your thread.

I loved the G1... the hinges made it pretty awesome and unique in my opinion. The keyboard was also pretty awesome... I go through hundreds of SMS a day and it made is so comfortable.
Still getting used to the G2... I like it so far except for the lack of FFC and weak hinges but hey what can I do about that.

luis86dr said:
G2 is by far the best phone out for android. My personal opinion is it craps on the vibrant which is its only close competitor. As far as the g1.... only reason id see you going back is if your the type of person who loves to flash roms constantly... the g2 stock is just as good as roms I've loaded. Its very tolerable to me and I usually hate stock android. But soon devs will have perm root (gl guys!) and we will be able to get our roms back all in due time. Could you imagine the g2 with custom firmware? This thing is a beast on stock froyo.... so go figure.
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I really like most Android Phones but disagree the G2 is the best Android Phone. I just dropped VZW for T-Mobile. My Droid X was just as nice if not better than the G2. I picked up the HD2 but now miss Android. So I am thinking about doing the G2 or MT 4G.
In the end he has his opinion but when it comes to prepaid the 3G coverage drops to a smaller area in my area.
As for the G1 I wasn't a big fan of the phone and the G2 is a far superior look and operating phone.

Getting Old? Yes. Amusing? Slightly. Annoying? Hell yes

I just have to say, who does sprint feel like they're PR'ing?! I mean really? Cut/Paste + PR =\= happy customers
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Epic is as Epic does (in some some cases, does not)

I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.

themirthfulswami said:
I found it quite interesting that the T-Mo exec came out and admitted they'd had Froyo from Samsung since late November and they'd dropped the ball on adding their crapola to it. Makes me wonder if Sprint has had it that long as well and has just been dicking around all this time.. almost makes perfect sense with their lack of advertising/acknowledging of the Epic.
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I haven't read that yet, but if the T-mo exec came out and said legitimately said that, well KUDOS to them. That is awesome. It would be nice of these other companies were as transparent, although they have all been too quiet for too long.

We all know that the carriers have had it since November. Samsung created a rom based on 2.2 and delivered to carriers in november. Then Z4root came out and was published to the market, allowing anyone running 2.2 to root their phone ridiculously easily. Instead of releasing this update to the public and allowing them to root their phones easily, the carriers told Samsung to go back to the drawing board with 2.2.1, which was the update that Google made to Froyo to specifically combat Z4root. Since November, that is what Samsung has been working on.
At least this is what I gather from all of the information I have read. It makes perfect sense. Its like a perfect storm for the Galaxy S users in the US. Samsung had to basically push out 2 updates to the carriers back to back while the users sit there and think Samsung is still working on the original.

Personally I think it's a matter of too many hands in the cookie jar. I heard from the Denver District Sprint mgr (we're dating) that they've had it since Nov and there are conflicts between sprint id and tw, but samsung won't allow sprint to do anything w/ tw and so Sprint is basically saying "well we won't have our sprint ID, making us money, so we're not releasing it until sprint id works correctly" and sammy says "not touching tw!" And so here we are ... stuck. 2.2 on epic = nukem 4?
(As a side note, nukem 4 is/was released... lol...)
Epic is as Epic does

yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.

That's disheartening because I want NOTHING to do with sprint id, and I seriously doubt anyone else does either (I've heard nothing but bad things).
Even more troubling...I'm also fairly certain that yes, we will see froyo and eventually gbread...but the only way for sprint to do this is with some extreme bloatware..I can only imagine the end-user horror of modifying touchwiz without actually modifying touchwiz. And that is exactly what adding sprint id would do. So yes, I really do believe the sprint tweet that they're working on it but it needs to pass testing. And I'm also willing to bet my last dollar that their version of touchwiz with sprint id is failing the tests horribly. It kind of all makes sense. Because sprint can't afford to lose much money, so not releasing a bad froyo (ala canadian galaxy s) is an upmost priority.
Which leads me to three feelings.
1. I have to admit its encouraging to see them put a lot of value into quality testing.
2. Reallllllllly reinforces my wanting of carriers to just say fuk the bloatware and give me aosp.
3. And this ones just evil. Just release the faulty software already at the expense of the common user, simply so the devs can get their hands on it and get rid of the crap so I can finally have a bug free froyo.
Humans are selfish after all.
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yet another reason then to just STOP ADDING STUPID CRAP AND LET GOOGLE INNOVATE.
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So google is going to write hardware drivers for hundreds of different devices?

Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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ansong said:
Touchwiz isn't a hardware driver though.
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You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.

muyoso said:
You literally think that Samsung has been spending the last 6 months porting Touchwiz to Froyo?
Who writes the drivers for:
display
radio
4g
bluetooth
GPS
etc, etc, etc
Do you know how many different chips and combinations of chips there are that accomplish these various tasks and the multitude of drivers needed to allow the various Android OS' communicate with the hardware? I think its a common misconception that Google just releases an OS that can instantly run on every Android device. Its the same as installing Windows XP on a computer. Sure, it will boot, but your ethernet, graphics card, wifi, etc wont work because there are no drivers.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I believe what they meant was that Samsung is too concerned with keeping tw launcher and Sprint is too concerned with integrating their stupid Sprint ID feature. Give us Vanilla Android and save the end user some trouble.
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I agree, but even if they did that, its not like we are going to be seeing updates a lot quicker. They still need to either create new drivers or update the ones they are currently using to be completely stable with the new OS. Sure it will shave a little time off of the release not messing around with Sprint ID and TW, which i would love, but they still have to develop drivers.

The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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austin420 said:
The final update will not have sprint id. If it were going to have it, I.d. would have been in one of the leaked betas...
Also, whosdaman said it won't either. He's been spot on since launch.
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I disagree. To me it would make much more sense that sprint would get everything else in 2.2 done and working before messing with sprint id. So just because you didn't see it in a leak, IMO that's not indicative of us not getting sprint id, because I believe they would save it for last.
And don't get me wrong, whosdamans daman. But he prbly doesn't work for sprint. So I'm not gonna jump up and take his word for it.
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acually whosdaman does work for sprint, but i digress. sprtint id will not be in any release. why would they not inclulde it until the end if they are trying to get it to work right?
thats like mcdonalds saying "ok, weve been working on this new hamburger, and its really tasty just how it is, so as you cook it, pour a ****load of salt on it and ruin it.
of course if sprint id was going to be included it would have been included in the betas.

Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now. I work for customer care and you don't realize how many people don't even KNOW about roms or tweaking. Epics are amazing, and incredibly fast regardless, be lucky that you even have one! And that you have amazing developers here giving u even the opportunity to play with 2.2 before the official release. I wouldn't even be surprised that these developers could port over 2.3 before sprint even releases there's lol.
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Why is everyonnneeee freaking out??? Gosh does no one here have heart for any of these developers? Look, once its released, who cares about all the added crap because the split second its released, there will be instantly new roms/kernals based off the new froyo (and even could be 2.3 Gingerbread) and will have major new tweaks available for these wonderful developers to get their hands on. Just wait... and stop flaming Sprint because without them we wouldn't even have the Epic to play with right now.
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We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.

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We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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Amen brother
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Jayavarman said:
We each pay Sprint over $1000 a year. No thanks.
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I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!

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I don't. I have a SERO plan. Whoomp whoomp!
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I'm curious, what does the cheapest version of the SERO plan come out to for the Epic (in real, this is what gets charged on my credit card, money)?
My bill that just came due is $87.84 with an 18% employer discount applied to the base 69.99 plan. That does include a $4.99 monthly "no I won't let you take the money out of my bank account without me pressing a button" charge.

Should I wait for the Nexus 5?

I'm kinda on the verge of buying a Galaxy S4 or HTC ONE...
I kinda feel like our N4 is so basic...yeah it receives new updates from Google but...but just flashing gabillions of ROMS and I can't find the right one. kinda frustrating. I wish there is a tread or poll for BEST ROMS & KERNELs.

Please do us a favor, buy some tw crap or sense crap and leave us alone
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Underground_XI said:
Please do us a favor, buy some tw crap or sense crap and leave us alone
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HTC One is far from crap. It has Sense, but other than that the phone is the best phone out right now hands down. Specs and build quality.
Edit: If you have the money I would get The One. Nexus 4 is still a great phone for the price and the software will always be up to date via AOSP.

You're the only person that can answer that question. It all depends on your needs, how long your willing to wait, how important having stock Android is to you, etc.
The only thing I would say about your post is that there is nothing basic about the N4. It's frankly a great phone at a very good price. If having the highest specced phone you can buy (regardless of price) is more important to you than having stock Android then the S4 or the HTC One is your go. If you want stock Android, then just decide if you want the N4 or if your willing to wait later in the year for it's successor (which hasn't even been announced yet).

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Get the N4 and be satisfied, the N5 (if history repeats itself) won't be available to the masses until March 2014... Then you can decide if you want to keep with the nexus line after that (you will)

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HTC One is far from crap. It has Sense, but other than that the phone is the best phone out right now hands down. Specs and build quality.
Edit: If you have the money I would get The One. Nexus 4 is still a great phone for the price and the software will always be up to date via AOSP.
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Have you had the chance to use it?
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mr2324jgf said:
Get the N4 and be satisfied, the N5 (if history repeats itself) won't be available to the masses until March 2014... Then you can decide if you want to keep with the nexus line after that (you will)
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I already have the N4... -_-" ,. ummm I didn't know the N5 will be released till 2014. So yeah...thanks for the info. I'm gonna try the S4 or ONe. lol

Underground_XI said:
Have you had the chance to use it?
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Well I played with one, and I know people who have it. They all pretty much thought the same thing. The build quality is by far the best I have ever held. The screen is gorgeous. It has Sense like I said, but a lot of well known devs are getting it/already have it and AOSP is already on it(more coming). Some of the AOSP Roms are a little buggy for it since it's not an official phone to put AOSP on it, but that is to to be expected at first for an OEM phone.

BaNkS said:
HTC One is far from crap. It has Sense, but other than that the phone is the best phone out right now hands down. Specs and build quality.
Edit: If you have the money I would get The One. Nexus 4 is still a great phone for the price and the software will always be up to date via AOSP.
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yup I have the money hehehe. Currently HTC has only the dev. 64GB edition at $649 vs, $574 32GB (out of stock until 05/13). I like the S4 too with lots of features..lol.

Underground_XI said:
Please do us a favor, buy some tw crap or sense crap and leave us alone
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I can't decide which is which ...rofl.

MrWulf said:
You're the only person that can answer that question. It all depends on your needs, how long your willing to wait, how important having stock Android is to you, etc.
The only thing I would say about your post is that there is nothing basic about the N4. It's frankly a great phone at a very good price. If having the highest specced phone you can buy (regardless of price) is more important to you than having stock Android then the S4 or the HTC One is your go. If you want stock Android, then just decide if you want the N4 or if your willing to wait later in the year for it's successor (which hasn't even been announced yet).
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Thank's,. Yeah I think i'm getting either of one...I just can;t decide. I have the N4 already and I can't choose which ROM's is the best?...except for P.A that i like. I wish they will create a poll for which is best N4 ROM's...

hatyrei said:
yup I have the money hehehe. Currently HTC has only the dev. 64GB edition at $649 vs, $574 32GB (out of stock until 05/13). I like the S4 too with lots of features..lol.
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Lol I will never buy another Samsung device. It can be a beast spec wise, but the build quality of their phones is garbage. They all feel like cheap kid's toys being made mostly of plastic and the likes.

BaNkS said:
Lol I will never buy another Samsung device. It can be a beast spec wise, but the build quality of their phones is garbage. They all feel like cheap kid's toys being made mostly of plastic and the likes.
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I really don't have any problems with plastic phones...as long as the parts are easily replaceable ,. I'm kinda scared of getting HTC ONE and having scratches on it's aluminum body like the iphone or ipod. I have the bumper case for my N4 and no visible scratches still

hatyrei said:
I'm kinda on the verge of buying a Galaxy S4 or HTC ONE...
I kinda feel like our N4 is so basic...yeah it receives new updates from Google but...but just flashing gabillions of ROMS and I can't find the right one. kinda frustrating. I wish there is a tread or poll for BEST ROMS & KERNELs.
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Ok.. Now that I'm in the right thread.
Firstly Op there is a thread specifically for questions like this. "Google Nexus 4 vs any other phone"
Secondly. This phone is far from basic. No, it isn't bleeding edge tech but people don't buy Nexus devices for spec bragging. No Nexus phone has ever really been a leader in bleeding edge specs. What you get is bleeding edge development, updates and one of the best shifting communities on xda for a far above average piece of hardware. Usually once you get a Nexus device you are married to the brand.
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hatyrei said:
I really don't have any problems with plastic phones...as long as the parts are easily replaceable ,. I'm kinda scared of getting HTC ONE and having scratches on it;s aluminum body like the iphone or ipod. I have the bumper case for my N4 and no visible scratches still
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I would rather have an aluminum body phone that a plastic one. lol. If I am going to pay that much for a phone it better feel great in the hands. Then again I take care of my phones and I usually don't damage then or drop them etc.

styckx said:
Ok.. Now that I'm in the right thread.
Firstly Op there is a thread specifically for questions like this. "Google Nexus 4 vs any other phone"
Secondly. This phone is far from basic. No, it isn't bleeding edge tech but people don't buy Nexus devices for spec bragging. No Nexus phone has ever really been a leader in bleeding edge specs. What you get is bleeding edge development, updates and one of the best shifting communities on xda for a far above average piece of hardware. Usually once you get a Nexus device you are married to the brand.
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What i mean....is that our N4 doesn't have many standout features like the S4 or HTC ONE. Actually i just bought the N4 for photoshpers,getting new updates and it's price for unlocked is unparalleled . I just can't t find a Best ROM for our N4. Maybe some1 can start a POLL thread that shows...ranking of each ROM?. hehehe, I'm asking too much; anyways thanks for the insight.

BaNkS said:
Lol I will never buy another Samsung device. It can be a beast spec wise, but the build quality of their phones is garbage. They all feel like cheap kid's toys being made mostly of plastic and the likes.
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To me the s4 felt better quality than the htc one actually. Htc one had awful screen design. S4 cheap plastic did not feel that cheap. As it regards aosp roms, whoever devs work for htc phones, there will always be some bugs+why would one that gets a device with amazing camera want to flash aosp on it.
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hatyrei said:
What i mean....is that our N4 doesn't have many standout features like the S4 or HTC ONE. Actually i just bought the N4 for photoshpers,getting new updates and it's price for unlocked is unparalleled . I just can't t find a Best ROM for our N4. Maybe some1 can start a POLL thread that shows...ranking of each ROM?. hehehe, I'm asking too much; anyways thanks for the insight.
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No such thing as a best ROM. What exactly are you expecting out of a ROM? You have some of the best developers on xda producing for this phone. If you can't find anything to use here. You ain't finding it anywhere
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styckx said:
No such thing as a best ROM. What exactly are you expecting out of a ROM? You have some of the best developers on xda producing for this phone. If you can't find anything to use here. You ain't finding it anywhere
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I want an ROM that can incorporate new features from S4 , HTC and etc... so I don't have to buy a new one. lol , I was imagining before that our N4 is like a blank canvas that u can put anything on it...except for the hardware limitations. The only thing i like for now is P.A but i get bored with it. Also there are so many ROMS for our N4 , i'm not saying it's bad. But having a poll thread can separate the good one's from not so good ones... right>? Sorry for being so demanding. And thank you devs...for great FREE support.

hatyrei said:
I want an ROM that can incorporate new features from S4 , HTC and etc... so I don't have to buy a new one. lol , I was imagining before that our N4 is like a blank canvas that u can put anything on it...except for the hardware limitations. The only thing i like for now is P.A but i get bored with it. Also there are so many ROMS for our N4 , i'm not saying it's bad. But having a poll thread can separate the good one's from not so good ones... right>? Sorry for being so demanding. And thank you devs...for great FREE support.
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I started such thread people got butthurt and reported it so mods closed it. Truth about nexus is that you have high quantity and high quality of the exact same thing. Nexus fans hate to admit it but that is the truth. You have 100 roms all great quality and all have the exact same features+layout. There are no ported features there are no ported rom. Htc or sammy devices have tw/sense+ aosp working. Tw/sense come with plwnty of additional features and if hou get bored from time to time you jist flash an aosp rom. While here you only have aosp, which gets boring after a while.
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I LOVE my Moto X. But...

It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
Discuss.

Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
For me, it doesn't. I'm sure Google and Motorola are aware of the mountain they need to climb in order to build mindshare and attain high sales, and they probably don't expect it to happen immediately with this one device.

ultravisitor said:
Does whether or not it sells well affect your usage of the device?
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This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
It's not really about the phone at all. It's about what I suspect was a poor marketing execution for a product that could have turned a lot more heads than it has. I mean, sure I don't have statistics, but I'm posting it as an open discussion to see if other people feel this way or if I'm just crazy...
Having went to school for advertising/marketing, it genuinely bothers me when GOOD products fail to sell well because of a failed marketing campaign. It happens a lot, but with Google backing Motorola up on this one, I expected a little more as far as the marketing side goes.

They may be waiting until Motomaker comes out for all carriers to hardcore advertise, they have a few ads out already, go to YouTube and search "Lazy Phone"
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Last I heard it was a "success" in Motorola's eyes.

It might be a success in the USA, but not in Canada. There's no marketing whatsoever going on. All the nice displays & merchandising seen in the US is nowhere to be found in Canada.
I agree with the OP - When I went to buy it outright at Future Shop, they looked at me and said "Why don't you buy a Samsung or Nexus? That phone isn't up to par."
Unfortunately, Motorola Canada continues to underwhelm... Saddening, really. This phone really is the best-kept secret on the market... in Canada.
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Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.

The problem with today's consumers..

gunnyman said:
Motorola is owned by Google, how well this excellent phone is selling is not an issue for me at all.
Now if it was an HTC phone, and a flop, I'd be worried.
As for the dev support, This is the first device I've ever owned that I didn't feel needed "fixing" with a custom ROM. We have Root, we have Xposed mods, I'm good.
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I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;

That's what the nexus phones are for

scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well.
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The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release.
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I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
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In the United States, it has been sold out from Verizon Wireless retail stores within a 50-mile radius of me for weeks. So I think that it is selling fairly well.
You are correct that it hasn't been marketed very well. But that all comes down to marketing spend in two areas:
1) Advertisements. Other manufacturers (Samsung, Apple) have more prominently-placed advertisements. Even Motorola and Verizon Wireless tend to promote the Droid RAZR / Ultra / Maxx phones over the Moto X.
2) In-store placement. If you go into a retail store, you'll likely find other phones right at the entrance to the store. The Moto X is usually in the back.

mrbradeli said:
I was honestly hoping this would be a good device to learn about developing roms on. I have a bunch of things I want to do and no one to go ask for help ;_;
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If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol

scorpion667 said:
This was never implied in any way, shape or form. What is the reasoning behind this question?
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.

KiNG OMaR said:
If you wanted to learn developing you should have gone with a more open device (Nexus 4).
Also, coming from a N4 myself, this is the first phone I don't want to root and mod. I would flash roms, kernels, and tinker with the N4 all the time. But this phone has the perfect blend of software.
The reason people normally flash roms is to get closer to AOSP, and this phone is pretty much pure android with some welcomed additions.
#TeamStockMotoX lol
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The extra storage in this phone won me over. Either way, I'm mainly interested in audio stuff. If possible I'd like to mod the phone to do something similar to Voodoo Sound's DAC direct and analog amp. Aside from that I'd like the ability to build AOSP from the source for this device, which I'm pretty sure is possible with the kernel source Motorola posted a while back.

I think advertising might be more aggressive here in the States than in Canada. The only commercials for the Moto X I've seen are the ones with TJ miller and I've only seen them online, not TV since I haven't been watching it recently.

I have seen a lot of national moto x spots during sporting events on television. especially ncaa and nfl football.

Ah okay I wasn't aware it was doing so well in the states. I guess my observation only holds true for Canada. It really is the best android phone to date IMHO. That's why I was thrown off when I saw it was getting zero recognition here in Canada lol. It's good to hear it's at least somewhat successful because they (Google and Moto) revolutionised how I interact with my phone. When major changes like Touchless Controls or Active Notifications are successful, perhaps it will inspire other manufacturers to dust off those R&D facilities and try something new once in a while.
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It was an honest question because some people might actually start to become unhappy with the Moto X if it doesn't sell well. I didn't know if that was the case with you or not--some might make that clear in their post, and some might not. Again, it was just a question. There really is no need to be so defensive.
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Ah okay I was just thrown off cause the point of me making this thread was BECAUSE I believe the Moto X is an amazing phone, why is it not getting recognized - kind of thing. Reading back, I could have worded it better to reflect that. Sorry.
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I personally love my Moto X.
It's essentially a Nexus device with a couple extra goodies for increased functionality.
Sure the camera needs a little tweaking here n' there, but it's overall a wonderful phone.
This phone came at a perfect time for me. I don't want to flash roms every other day anymore. With my new son my priorities are elsewhere now.
Doesn't matter to me if it's not selling well, just means I'll get extra wow factor when showing it off because less people know about it. As long as motorola keeps supporting it, I'm a happy camper.

I snapped this pic real quick inside At&t retail while ordering my 32gig motomaker card. They are pushing it pretty hard.
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scorpion667 said:
It doesn't seem to be selling very well. Or have any ROM development (but that's a separate topic).
I mean it has some game changing features, but I don't think people really understood those unique features it offers. The Rogers employees at various stores didn't even have a clue about Touchless Controls so what selling point would they pitch to a client looking to get a new phone? It's got "less cores", "I would just go with the Galaxy S4". The ONLY Canadian carrier selling this phone is not even educating it's employees about new upcoming products, prior to release. It's sad, really. Is that why the only two OEM's doing well (Samsung, Apple) are the ones that bombard us with advertising?
I have not seen any advertising for Moto X at all.
I dunno it seems like the Moto X is the best phone that not many people bought. Seems like a complete marketing failure if anything.
I hope I'm wrong about this!
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What are your sources for sales? Or is this just a personal observation? Google and moto seem to be pretty happy with its sales... ya, it's no iphone or Galaxy in terms of sales, but everything here in the states have been bouncing been in stock/out of stock.
Overall, I care little about how well a device sells as long as it continues to be supported by the manufacturer. I don't think they were aiming for a big swing in market share, but rather, proving a point about how the industry has become over obsessed with specs and to bring the mobile device manufacturing process back to the states. Discounting sales, which is definitely important, I think the moto x had been a great success for what it was made to achieve... And I think it will continue to prove more successful in the coming months. Just my personal observation.
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