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I keep hearing everyone go on about Pentile is crap, etc. Then I hear that all AMOLED screens use Pentile Matrix rendering (Galaxy S, Nexus, etc). Also the pentile tech is also made by Samsung from my understanding. So why does everyone consider our Pentile TFT qHD Res 24-bit color screen crap on these fourms (other forums now too)? Especially when EVERY review I have seen online about our screens have gotten nothing but good ratings, and say it is almost as good as the iphone 4 IPS LCD screen (minus the pixel density 920x540 4" vs 920x640 3.5"). I think it is crap we have the highest res screen android phone ever and we are not getting atleast some credit.
Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I think it is crap we have the highest res screen android phone ever and we are not getting atleast some credit.
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Meizu M9 is the android phone with highest res.
Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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Meizu M9 is the android phone with highest res.
Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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OK besides CHINA we have the highest res screen. Plus I don't think the SGS2 screen is any better it is even more oversaturated than the original SGS. On top of that they went with even less pixel density than the first... No thanks.
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Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I guess my question is why is the Pentile LCD getting knocked but PENTILE AMOLED is not? Both have the same flaws and advantages.
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I guess my question is why is the Pentile LCD getting knocked but PENTILE AMOLED is not? Both have the same flaws and advantages.
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Because people (Especially with phones for some reason) like to hop on bandwagons and have no idea what they're talking about.
Personally love the diplay on the Atrix but human nature requires some to nitpick. Prospective buyers should inform themselves of the display tech, but also that it is an excellent display that will only get a small but vocal minority bent.
krkeegan said:
Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I agree with you completely.
The Atrix 4G, with the Pentile screen, is still considerably higher in perceivable resolution than 800x480. And that's just my opinion.
I won't deny the Galaxy S have really nice colors, but they are oversaturdated.
The extra resolution in a practical sense has been more useful to me in web browsing and other activities than the LSD colors of my Captivate.
As someone poinedt out, it's a personal preference. I have a friend that would rather wait for Super AMOLED Plus but I find the Atrix to be an excellent phone and an improvement in all categories despite some legitimate complaints about upload speed that is the fault of AT&T.
-James
SAMOLED is pentile RGBG
Atrix is pentile RGBW
so the subpixels in the atrix are white...
I don't know the entire technicalities but I know that is the DIFFERENCE...
I love The screen. doesn't bother me a bit. I like CRISP over SATURATED, although I'm not knocking the SAMOLED screens either, as they are nice in their own right.
shea-bird said:
SAMOLED is pentile RGBG
Atrix is pentile RGBW
so the subpixels in the atrix are white...
I don't know the entire technicalities but I know that is the DIFFERENCE...
I love The screen. doesn't bother me a bit. I like CRISP over SATURATED, although I'm not knocking the SAMOLED screens either, as they are nice in their own right.
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Ya I found a little bit more about that....
"PenTile RGBW technology adds a white subpixel to the traditional red, blue, and green subpixels in a color display allowing a brighter display using less power. ... When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the Liquid Crystal Display levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. Since most natural images and black on white text have few simultaneously bright and saturated colors, the average power of the PenTile RGBW panel is 50% less than a conventional RGB LCD. Since the LCD backlight is the major power using component on many portable devices ... products that use the PenTile RGBW panel have appreciably longer battery life. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability. "
To me it sounds instead of just RGB of tradition LCD screens we have a white subpixel also. Which increases brightness at half the power.
Man I swear these fanboys acting like we were getting some inferior screen when all along it was an UPRGADE
Plus Moto should of put some marketing scheme on it's name like. SUPER TFT LCD SCREEN QHD 24-BIT EXTREME. Then all of the fanboys would of went NUTS for it.
the simple solution is to try the phone out and see whether it meets your needs or not. at least that's how I see the 30 day love it or leave it trial period. let your own eyes be the judge, and then decide which pros and cons you can happily live with. The Atrix is a wonderful device,and I believe it will only get better with time. it was simply overkill for me, and at the ripe old age of 43 the bigger screen on the Inpire is easier to read lol.
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I don't know or care about the technical aspects of pentile displays, but I do know what my eyes see. If I zoom in on a 5 or 6 megapixel photo with my Samsung Captivate, the photo pixelates badly. If I do the same thing with my Atrix the photo stays sharp and clear. The Iphone 4 I returned TWICE, kept the same sharpness and clarity.
The auto settings on the Atrix and the HTC Inspire are terrible, take your camera off of automatic and it will take better pics.
rex-tc said:
Ya I found a little bit more about that....
"PenTile RGBW technology adds a white subpixel to the traditional red, blue, and green subpixels in a color display allowing a brighter display using less power. ... When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the Liquid Crystal Display levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. Since most natural images and black on white text have few simultaneously bright and saturated colors, the average power of the PenTile RGBW panel is 50% less than a conventional RGB LCD. Since the LCD backlight is the major power using component on many portable devices ... products that use the PenTile RGBW panel have appreciably longer battery life. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability. "
To me it sounds instead of just RGB of tradition LCD screens we have a white subpixel also. Which increases brightness at half the power.
Man I swear these fanboys acting like we were getting some inferior screen when all along it was an UPRGADE
Plus Moto should of put some marketing scheme on it's name like. SUPER TFT LCD SCREEN QHD 24-BIT EXTREME. Then all of the fanboys would of went NUTS for it.
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thanks cause of this i changed my wallpaper to completely white background ill see if it improves battery life
When the galaxy s came out, the deal breaker for me was the screen.
Before I knew what a pentile matrix was I noticed it without trying, and it bugs me a lot.
I have been using mine for a few days now and love the clarity of the screen. The only problem for me is that when reading on it for extended times, such as using xda, I start to develop headaches? Really odd and I thought it would just be a short adjustment but after three straight evenings I am beginning to wonder.
I wondered the exact same thing OP. I'm in the market for an atrix and I've been trolling the forums for a while to get a feel of user feedback.
It really seems like people are complaining about the pentile display on the atrix but all current SAMOLEDS have the exact same problem.
The pentile matrix is only fixed on the new SAMOLED plus on the SG2 , so until then I'm not sure why people keep knocking the pentile display on the atrix when comparing it to other current gen phones like the Nexus S and captivate.
Just my 2 cents
I find the screen on the Atrix to be very crisp and clear. Can I see a pixel or two? Honestly I dunno because I don't search for pixels on a phone screen. Gaming and text are both excellent.
I find that people complain too much. They also will read somewhere that "pentile sucks" so they start saying "fail, Pentile sucks". There would be much less drama on forums and blogs if people would just try a product and form their own opinions instead just blindly following a reviewer or commenter.
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Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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With a 4.3" SAMOLED Plus display.... expect battery life close to 1-hr of 3G web browsing.
TareX said:
With a 4.3" SAMOLED Plus display.... expect battery life close to 1-hr of 3G web browsing.
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To say nothing of the fact that the GPS won't work and you'll never see updates
Guys have a look at these pictures.
I am just posting some more screen comparisons in the following order---
1) Super Amoled Plus vs Super Amoled
2) Super Amoled Plus vs Super Clear LCD
3) Super Amoled Plus vs Retina Display
Have a look at these pictures,screen comparsion to see how much brighter & crisp is super amoled plus
Continuing in the same order
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all of the above just reinforces why i like SAMOLED/+ more than SLCD and/or Retina displays
in this case Retina has the worse colour and density
Wow... Retina looks really blurred...
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Wow... Retina looks really blurred...
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nooo... zoom it, click on it, it looks clear, it's just pale and colours are not vivid
What are they like in direct sunlight though? I know the retina is very good...
AllGamer said:
nooo... zoom it, click on it, it looks clear, it's just pale and colours are not vivid
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I did. I guess you can call me blind then.
Hard to say which is the most color accurate; the iphone/SGS definitely have colder color temperatures, but the SGS2 looks a bit warm (the reds don't look very deep). Also there is major red crushing in the parrot picture.
interestingly you havent posted the parrot picture from the same article. for some reason the super amoled plus has a distinct lack of detail for the feathers on the parrots back. there is no shadowing inbetween the feathers.
vs super amoled
http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/2011/march/29/samsung_i9100/disp_sgs_6b.jpg
vs super lcd
http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/2011/march/29/samsung_i9100/disp_inc_6b.jpg
vs retina
http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/2011/march/29/samsung_i9100/disp_iphone_6b.jpg
any reason for the difference between all the other photos and this specific one? maybe it doesnt deal with red as well?
is not just red observe the blue and yellow, it's dull on the retina
as for the SAMOLED it's the vivid colours that over take the edges (shadow)
is just like when you set a TV to very bright colours settings
AllGamer said:
is not just red observe the blue and yellow, it's dull on the retina
as for the SAMOLED it's the vivid colours that over take the edges (shadow)
is just like when you set a TV to very bright colours settings
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Granted the iPhone's colors are off due to about only 65% of Gamut, you won't really notice it given the excellent contrast. So it's not that things aren't sharp because sharpness comes with high contrast.
AMOLED completely oversaturates.
Anyone do photography? Take your photo and take Saturation and do a +40 on it in Adobe Lightroom. That's AMOLED. Of course photos side by side will show it look nice, and the other one will be washed out, but which is more accurate for looking at photos or videos? Shrug
Its possible to adjust on Samsung Galaxy with CM7(2.3.3)
So i belive it will work on SGS2 in time..
I post this from my Nokia N900 so i hope you can se the picture..
Sorry for my bad english
The SGS 2 is just wayyyyy over contrasted and oversaturated, they need to tone it down otherwise you lose a lot of detail like what you see in the parrot picture.
ryude said:
The SGS 2 is just wayyyyy over contrasted and oversaturated, they need to tone it down otherwise you lose a lot of detail like what you see in the parrot picture.
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You guys are having some trouble understanding whats going on, so im gonna attempt to explain it.
The reason you see the parrot picture "oversaturated" and shadows not showing in properly is becaus oled technology surpasses easelly the native 1250:1 contrast ratio of a lcd display so youre trying to see the over lcd quality on an lcd, which frankly does little sense as your lcd screen will bottleneck the real quality of oled, furthermore the camera quality can also be questioned aswell regarding this matter.
It sounds stupid for ppl who dont know much about image displays, but for those who do know the diff between oled and lcd it makes a decent ammount of sense.
The "Overbrightness and oversaturation" you see there are simply the oled subpixels doing their job, lightning up, the camera & the lcd screen cannot display it as properly as a backlighted washed out lcd.
TheWarKeeper said:
You guys are having some trouble understanding whats going on, so im gonna attempt to explain it.
The reason you see the parrot picture "oversaturated" and shadows not showing in properly is becaus oled technology surpasses easelly the native 1250:1 contrast ratio of a lcd display so youre trying to see the over lcd quality on an lcd, which frankly does little sense as your lcd screen will bottleneck the real quality of oled, furthermore the camera quality can also be questioned aswell regarding this matter.
It sounds stupid for ppl who dont know much about image displays, but for those who do know the diff between oled and lcd it makes a decent ammount of sense.
The "Overbrightness and oversaturation" you see there are simply the oled subpixels doing their job, lightning up, the camera & the lcd screen cannot display it as properly as a backlighted washed out lcd.
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You know, just because you make a post with the attitude of knowing what you're talking about doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
It's oversaturated, the end.
Original photo:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__IGXYXpe2...I4/JkMo1hEry40/s1600-h/Over+Saturation+01.jpg
Over-saturated photo:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__IGXYXpe2...JA/vCIwlukAyvg/s1600-h/Over+Saturation+02.jpg
Wow, it looks suprisingly the same as what the SGS 2 display is doing, I wonder why?!
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You know, just because you make a post with the attitude of knowing what you're talking about doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
It's oversaturated, the end.
Original photo:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__IGXYXpe2...I4/JkMo1hEry40/s1600-h/Over+Saturation+01.jpg
Over-saturated photo:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__IGXYXpe2...JA/vCIwlukAyvg/s1600-h/Over+Saturation+02.jpg
Wow, it looks suprisingly the same as what the SGS 2 display is doing, I wonder why?!
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Im not trying to show off or anything, but what you are saying is false, "the end".
This is OLED technology, there is no such thing as "oversaturation" this doesnt use a backlight, the blue, green and red pixels are made of light, LIGHT, they are not complemented by the lcd backlight as a tn or ips panel does... so colors will look alot more realistic with bigger contrast ratio, with pure blacks and whites.
The camera quality is clearly average at best compared to a proper professional HD Cam corder, so it couldnt properly interpret the oled panel as its made purely of light, its like taking a snapshot of the sun, youre gonna miss details around it.
And then theres your screen, i take it ure viewing it in a LCD screen instead of an oled right? u cant compare lcd vs oled viewed on a lcd screen because that will downgrade the quality of oled to an lcd, no brainer here.
I dont understand why youre feeling so down, i bet you live in the marketing world where LCD is awzome and beats everything around... the fact is tough, lcd is by far the worst technology for color reproduction and pixel response time.
So i dont really get what youre trying to say here, see an oled screen in real life then talk ok?
The only difference between a normal oled screen and samsung galaxy s2 superamoled plus is that it has 6 subpixels to form 1 full pixel instead of the typical 3 pixels, the 6 pixels combined together can provide better color reproduction and more accuracy compared to only 3.
Its like saying psone has better specs than ps3...
Oh and for your comment with the 2 pictures:
It is more than clear that the second image has been manipulated in a graphis software with more saturation, as the colors get pixelated and edges jaggy.
There is a difference between contrast ratio and saturation but from your comment you still cant understand what it rly is...
For once, how can u see oled pure black (pixel turned off) on a screen that to display the picture it has to have the back light always on...
How do u expect a pure red color when you have a white bulb backlight? the same goes for blue and green...
You will never be able to understand oled quality from an average snapshot displayed on a lcd screen, if u cant understand something as basic as that then, please, remember that saying: "It's better to keep quiet and..."
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Im not trying to show off or anything, but what you are saying is false, the end.
This is OLED technology, there is no such thing as "oversaturation" this doesnt use a backlight, the blue, green and red pixels are made of light, LIGHT, they are not complemented by the lcd backlight as a tn or ips panel does... so colors will look alot more realistic with bigger contrast ratio, with pure blacks and whites.
The camera quality is clearly average at best compared to a proper professional HD Cam corder, so it couldnt properly interpret the oled panel as its made purely of light, its like taking a snapshot of the sun, youre gonna miss details around it.
And then theres your screen, i take it ure viewing it in a LCD screen instead of an oled right? u cant compare lcd vs oled viewed on a lcd screen because that will downgrade the quality of oled to an lcd, no brainer here.
I dont understand why youre feeling so down, i bet you live in the marketing world where LCD is awzome and beats everything around... the fact is tough, lcd is by far the worst technology for color reproduction and pixel response time.
So i dont really get what youre trying to say here, see an oled screen in real life then talk ok?
The only difference between a normal oled screen and samsung galaxy s2 superamoled plus is that it has 6 subpixels to form 1 full pixel instead of the typical 3 pixels, the 6 pixels combined together can provide better color reproduction and more accuracy compared to only 3.
Its like saying psone has better specs than ps3...
Oh and for your comment with the 2 pictures:
It is more than clear that the second image has been manipulated in a graphis software with more saturation, as the colors get pixelated and edges jaggy.
There is a difference between contrast ratio and saturation but from your comment you still cant understand what it rly is...
For once, how can u see oled pure black (pixel turned off) on a screen that to display the picture it has to have the back light always on...
How do u expect a pure red color when you have a white bulb backlight? the same goes for blue and green...
You will never be able to understand oled quality from an average snapshot displayed on a lcd screen, if u cant understand something as basic as that then, please, remember that saying: "It's better to keep quiet and..."
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+1
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TheWarKeeper said:
Im not trying to show off or anything, but what you are saying is false, "the end".
This is OLED technology, there is no such thing as "oversaturation" this doesnt use a backlight, the blue, green and red pixels are made of light, LIGHT, they are not complemented by the lcd backlight as a tn or ips panel does... so colors will look alot more realistic with bigger contrast ratio, with pure blacks and whites.
The camera quality is clearly average at best compared to a proper professional HD Cam corder, so it couldnt properly interpret the oled panel as its made purely of light, its like taking a snapshot of the sun, youre gonna miss details around it.
And then theres your screen, i take it ure viewing it in a LCD screen instead of an oled right? u cant compare lcd vs oled viewed on a lcd screen because that will downgrade the quality of oled to an lcd, no brainer here.
I dont understand why youre feeling so down, i bet you live in the marketing world where LCD is awzome and beats everything around... the fact is tough, lcd is by far the worst technology for color reproduction and pixel response time.
So i dont really get what youre trying to say here, see an oled screen in real life then talk ok?
The only difference between a normal oled screen and samsung galaxy s2 superamoled plus is that it has 6 subpixels to form 1 full pixel instead of the typical 3 pixels, the 6 pixels combined together can provide better color reproduction and more accuracy compared to only 3.
Its like saying psone has better specs than ps3...
Oh and for your comment with the 2 pictures:
It is more than clear that the second image has been manipulated in a graphis software with more saturation, as the colors get pixelated and edges jaggy.
There is a difference between contrast ratio and saturation but from your comment you still cant understand what it rly is...
For once, how can u see oled pure black (pixel turned off) on a screen that to display the picture it has to have the back light always on...
How do u expect a pure red color when you have a white bulb backlight? the same goes for blue and green...
You will never be able to understand oled quality from an average snapshot displayed on a lcd screen, if u cant understand something as basic as that then, please, remember that saying: "It's better to keep quiet and..."
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Wow,thats some great knowledge man
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I agree with what you're saying, just wanted to point out that the SAMOLED+ screen will have a normal RGB stripe so it's 3 subpixels for each pixel, rather than 2 subpixels in the current SAMOLED pentile (RGBG - RG being 1 pixel, BG being the next, so 4 subpixels for 2 full pixels). So yes, I happily welcome the fact that it'll be RGB per full pixel like most traditional displays.
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The only difference between a normal oled screen and samsung galaxy s2 superamoled plus is that it has 6 subpixels to form 1 full pixel instead of the typical 3 pixels, the 6 pixels combined together can provide better color reproduction and more accuracy compared to only 3.
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I'd like to get opinions about the SAMOLED+ screen on the Samsung Galaxy S2 from people that hate Pentile screens (like me ).
Do you think SGS2 is a lot sharper than SAMOLED Pentile screens? Does the text looks as good as in a regular LCD or SLCD screens?
It's important that the opinion comes from people that really dislike or hate pentile screens because it seems that not everybody notice the effect caused by these.
Well, thats one to get a hundred percent viewpoint.
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Well, thats one to get a hundred percent viewpoint.
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I don't get you.
The thing is that SGS2 doesn't have pentile but given that is the same resolution on a bigger screen and I'm not even sure if the pixel matrix is identical to a LCD I think that maybe is not that better at the end?
I'm just trying to decide if I buy the phone or if I'm better keeping a Nexus S (with a pentile display I don't really like...) until Samsung deliver the higher resolution SAMOLED+
Enjoy...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/galaxy-s-ii-and-galaxy-s-screens-compared-at-the-subpixel-level/
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Enjoy...
engadget.com/2011/05/19/galaxy-s-ii-and-galaxy-s-screens-compared-at-the-subpixel-level/
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Thanks for the link! But I already know the technical differences...
I'm looking opinion from people that disliked the Galaxy S and Nexus S pentile screen specifically (or even Atrix screen for what it's worth)
Alien987 said:
Thanks for the link! But I already know the technical differences...
I'm looking opinion from people that disliked the Galaxy S and Nexus S pentile screen specifically (or even Atrix screen for what it's worth)
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Let's reverse the question. Does anybody like the Pentile display? From everything I've read its really just a cost saver for the manufacturer. So I'm guessing the answer would be no. At least not given any another option.
The screen looks exactly as LCD ..
After going from a Pentile display to a SLCD (N1 to DHD), I was shocked at how a screen with the same effective resolution (WVGA) could look so much sharper even after the size being increased by 0.6 inches. I began to understand why Pentile was getting so much bad press in tech circles and reviews. At the time I associated Pentile with AMOLED, as the only AMOLED based phones (N1, Desire, SGS) used a Pentile matrix and due to this my opinion on AMOLED was that despite the brilliant contrast, it was inferior to LCD.
It's safe to say that the SAMOLED+ reversed my previous opinion by ridding itself of the Pentile matrix. It's almost as if it is an entirely new screen tech. There's not much else to say other than once you see it, you will struggle to believe you could ever go back to a LCD/IPS or plain old AMOLED. The clarity and colour produced by this screen is second to none, regardless of PPI.
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I voted yes!
I liked the Screen very much.. but my eyes hurt after a while reading.
Think mostly because of the ghosting / washed effect from scrolling text.
i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
Comparing the SII and S is like night and day. Whenever I go back to use my S I can't believe how bad it is. You won't be disappointed with the SII trust me.
RogerPodacter said:
i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
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I agree, I was glad when I got my desire it turned out to be a slcd one because the ones I had seen in the shop (as well as the sgs1) were all amoleds and I wasn't to impressed with them, the fonts looked very ugly and jagged, a lot worse compared to my old lg arena; For my the DPI should have been a lot higher for better fonts but they are okay. I had to try a lot of browser though before I found which renders small text the best (xscope) so you can make a bit of use of the large screen
Thanks everybody for your input!
RogerPodacter said:
i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
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This is what I fear I love iPhone 4 display text crispness, I didn't like Atrix that much because everything looked like it had a weird texture.
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I agree, I was glad when I got my desire it turned out to be a slcd one because the ones I had seen in the shop (as well as the sgs1) were all amoleds and I wasn't to impressed with them, the fonts looked very ugly and jagged, a lot worse compared to my old lg arena; For my the DPI should have been a lot higher for better fonts but they are okay. I had to try a lot of browser though before I found which renders small text the best (xscope) so you can make a bit of use of the large screen
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Nice tip about the browser!
I had the Atrix and half the reason I sold it is because I couldn't stand the terrible screen. I dont even notice the loss of pixels with the S2 because things seem so much more crisp, like the edges on icons and a lot of other things.
lynxboy said:
After going from a Pentile display to a SLCD (N1 to DHD), I was shocked at how a screen with the same effective resolution (WVGA) could look so much sharper even after the size being increased by 0.6 inches. I began to understand why Pentile was getting so much bad press in tech circles and reviews. At the time I associated Pentile with AMOLED, as the only AMOLED based phones (N1, Desire, SGS) used a Pentile matrix and due to this my opinion on AMOLED was that despite the brilliant contrast, it was inferior to LCD.
It's safe to say that the SAMOLED+ reversed my previous opinion by ridding itself of the Pentile matrix. It's almost as if it is an entirely new screen tech. There's not much else to say other than once you see it, you will struggle to believe you could ever go back to a LCD/IPS or plain old AMOLED. The clarity and colour produced by this screen is second to none, regardless of PPI.
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QFT. I also felt the text crispness of the S was quite lacking as against SLCD/LCD. But the SAMOLED+ of the S2 is really super. I cannot see any issues with text sharpness down to even small almost unreadable levels. I was sceptical about the 480x800 vs qhd of the sensation, and that too for a larger scree size, but was very happy when I switched on the phone for the first time. Text is pin sharp, colours absolutely brilliant. Cannot go back to SLCD.
In fact as another poster stated, sometimes the very high contrast is a slight pain actually. I wish there was a way to turn down the brightness even more for indoors / night use.
sandeep10 said:
In fact as another poster stated, sometimes the very high contrast is a slight pain actually. I wish there was a way to turn down the brightness even more for indoors / night use.
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You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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sieudaochich said:
You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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Thanks. Just what I was looking for. Will make my e-reading at night hugely easier.
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You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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Cannot thank posts on Tapatalk yet so just want to say major thanks for bringing this app to my attention! As Sandeep says, for those of us who read Ebooks at night this is a life (eye) saver! No more nagging from the missus regarding my screen glare.
Back on topic, I've compared the screens of the Sensation and SGS2 first hand and in normal usage the increased resolution of the Sensation doesn't offer a discernible increase in sharpness over the SGS2. Those with eagle eyes will no doubt contest this, but in truth the overall clarity of the SGS2 panel is IMHO superior to that of the Sensation. That said, if a qHD AMOLED phone was released, I'd be all over it!
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Just been comparing my friends HTC Desire (pentile amoled) with my SGS2 side by side and my Samsung is noticeably more sharper even though my screen is bigger. Desire has fuzzy text and colours aren't as good.
I hate pentile displays. I had the original SGS1 and returned it within a week because of the screen, but didn't know about pentile displays back then.
I didn't really mind it on my SGS but once I got my Atrix I hated the screen, I don't care for high res as I can barely read as is, but the SGS II screen is amazing compared to the original SGS.
The Huawei P30 Pro has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
They should have definitely gone with a 2k panel, as the display on this phone reminds me a lot of the S5 and S4 displays. Texts looks fuzzy, and the brighter the screen goes, the more you'll be able to notice the pixels, and you don't even need to look for them. Maybe my eyes got used to the sharper displays I had in the past few years, but even when compared to my last year's P20 P30, this doesn't look that good in terms of sharpness.
If you keep the phone really near your face for example when in bed or trying to read something, you will notice it.
You also noticed it when comparing some videos between this and a 2k screen. The images in this phone are very sharp, but in a bad way..
You will also notice the better battery life. It was the major negative in the specification and nearly stopped me buying the phone. But I checked out the display in the shop and I was happy with the OLED panel. Not blown away but I think the difference between this and some of the higher resolution phones is marginal. I cant see any pixels in text have changed the default size of text in the phones settings?
Wonder why be default Samsung set the Galaxy S10 to FHD+ the same as the P30?
No pixelation at all,and default settings for most of 2k phones is fhd+ resolution.
The 2k resolution is useful for VR content using cardboard or similar.
For normal eye,we can't notice any pixelation with FHD+ resolution. 2k resolution is selling point only for other phones or brand but not necessarily useful or noticable
They should give us the option to use 1440p or 1080p instead of just took it away while charging full flagship price.
You won't notice the difference at all unless comparing side by side.
Came from a pixel 2 xl and the downgrade in the screen is barely noticeable
rajziel said:
You won't notice the difference at all unless comparing side by side.
Came from a pixel 2 xl and the downgrade in the screen is barely noticeable
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Pixel 2 xl screen on white was already grainy.
You can see pixels on Black text on whites for sure sure sure. The display is so bad. Compare it with any 1080p display in market. That's the only down side of this phone and also the camera hype.
I've compared to quite a few devices. The whole pixel display hysteria was a non issue with later models.
But I have access to samsung s8 and s9 and the display is not that far behind them in terms of quality. Heck I'm straining at the text as I write this and I can't make out any pixels.
Either you have a dodgy unit or seeing things.
Also the camera is pretty damn good. Got some amazing shots that is just not possible from other devices
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They should have definitely gone with a 2k panel, as the display on this phone reminds me a lot of the S5 and S4 displays. Texts looks fuzzy, and the brighter the screen goes, the more you'll be able to notice the pixels, and you don't even need to look for them. Maybe my eyes got used to the sharper displays I had in the past few years, but even when compared to my last year's P20 P30, this doesn't look that good in terms of sharpness.
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An update on this matter after owning the phone for almost two weeks now:
I don't know if it was the tweaks I did to the screen's scaling, or the font size, or my eyes were used to 2k displays, or maybe a combination of all what I mentioned above, but I don't notice the pixels on my phone anymore, and even when I grab my wife's S10+, I don't feel like I'm looking at a much crisper screen. The S10+ still looks like the better panel imo, it feels like it's a sticker that is sitting on top of the glass, but in terms of clarity, I honestly don't see the difference as much as I did the 1st few days after I got my P30 Pro.
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Pixel 2 xl screen on white was already grainy.
You can see pixels on Black text on whites for sure sure sure. The display is so bad. Compare it with any 1080p display in market. That's the only down side of this phone and also the camera hype.
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Depends which pixel 2 xl they sent you, mine is pure white and been happy with it since release, and yes the text is awful on the p30 pro, should have been a 2k screen.
Ady1976 said:
Depends which pixel 2 xl they sent you, mine is pure white and been happy with it since release, and yes the text is awful on the p30 pro, should have been a 2k screen.
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wow i'd love to see your p30 pro panels because mine is nice and crisp.
Nothing wrong with the text
Even had comments on how good the display is from other people
rajziel said:
wow i'd love to see your p30 pro panels because mine is nice and crisp.
Nothing wrong with the text
Even had comments on how good the display is from other people
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Lucky you, the one i sent back was worse clarity than my pixel 2 xl, do some research and apparently they're using 2 different panels, already can't trust a company that can't be arsed using the same **** trying to fulfill orders.
i use fhd+ resolution setting and not the smart choice(default). I m pretty satisfied with the res. FHD is enough for a screen 6-10 inches. Even in 55 4k tv's most people strungle to separate real 4k from FHD(Not me), so this is more psycological feeling than visual on phone screens. Of course side by side qhd looks crispier than fhd but not by far.
Having used many 1080p devices I found the display not seem as sharp as other 1080p devices, never mind 2k. Not sure if its because of the size or the panel. Maybe it would have been better if it was a samsung panel?
Mine is also nice and crisp, you have to change the resolution to 1080p+. Its not as sharp as the s10 but after a while not noticeable. The colours are good and outdoor visibility is great.
I cant honestly tell the difference! if it saves me battery, I am all for it!
Have used it alongside note 8 display, can't seem to find any difference. Works good for me.
Screen looks just as sharp and vibrant as my Note 9. Battery life is noticeably better than that phone though. I can't fault the decision to use a 1080p screen at all.
coming from a Note 9. I definitely see the difference. P30 Pro display is not as crisp. I agree with above that you can actually see the pixels without looking hard
Ist the Display good?
Hot-Proton said:
Ist the Display good?
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Not the best but it's good!
I don't notice any difference between it and the 1440p LCD on my old Moto X Pure Edition. I'm not convinced that anything over 1080p is discernible. Not that I've done a huge comparison.
Some folks really love their AMOLED's, and this isn't AMOLED. But I have no complaints.
I definitely somewhat miss the AMOLED display of my Galaxy S5 as the IPS panel on the RN7 has the typical IPS silver glow on it, which is especially noticable on dark backgrounds at night, but other than that, the colours are pretty nice & real-to-life. The other issue which seems to happen to me is that either the display is lower quality or something, because letters have a bit of ghosting to them when scrolling through content... it's especially visible if you enable Reading Mode & set it to max value. All in all, the display is definitely nice considering that this is a cheap-ish phone & I can't complain THAT much about it