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TS Failure - not necessarily bad digitizer!!!

Dear Wildfire users, If you struggle with cash like I do, and your favorite Wildfire has issues with TS - dont think that it is gone and needs replacement!
I do a lot of phone service myself, for a lot of friends and I even do it for the money sometimes, cause here where I live repairs are expensive and I know how to fix many things and do it for the half price. I even opened SGS3 and OneX on couple of occasions (units without warranty) and I know what im talking about:
TS failure can occur as a consequence of the following, in most cases:
1. digitizer failure
2. connector failure - mostly ZIF connectors - Zero insertion force, which means that they can as easily pop out as they are plugged in.
3. dirt inside/between glass and the screen
4. magnetic field (TS gone for good)
5. allowing phone battery to go bellow 15% (making static wrong values)
6. micro holes in gorilla glass - yes, it is possible and it happens a lot, and when ever something polar goes into that micro hole - screen goes nuts.
My screen was all crazy, so I started looking for the solution that is maybe related to the wildfire in general, and ALL I could find was - "dude, your TS needs replacement" - NO. it may be one of aforementioned causes.
Opening the unit is a bit tricky, but like any other phone, If you have a knack for it you dont even need the tutorial.
I opened it, cleaned the sides of the screen, re-plugged the ZIF, cleaned the "scrollwheel thingy" that HTC likes to putt on phones for no reason, reassambled the unit, cleaned the front of the glass with glass-cleaner compound - and everything works JUST fine.
Im writing this so any of you would know that it doesnt always mean that the ubit is broken, it may be that it isnt working correctly at the moment. And repair guys are rude, and liars, at least in my country .. that's why I started to open phones by myself.

I've let my battery go under 15% loads of times, and my touchscreen has never messed up.
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Justice™ said:
I've let my battery go under 15% loads of times, and my touchscreen has never messed up.
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Same here
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If I don't get him wrong he just mentioned that it could be one of several reasons (sometimes) ?
Swyped from my HTC Wildfire (Buzz)

what evantcom said. It's just like radiation there is a mathematical probability that one could enter Nuclear reactor core naked, for X amount of time, and not get radiation poisoning and die - but not likely. There is also probability that one could get his DNA screwed up > turned into cancer, by actions of a single Gamma ray Photon - but not likely
Alowing your device to go under 15% is a TS hazzard. We all do it, sometimes out of necessity, but that is the fact.

Igoritza said:
5. allowing phone battery to go bellow 15% (making static wrong values)
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Uhmm,taken into account,so in case 5, how did you make it to get the right static values ?

This was said to me by a dude who understands electronics all with new technologies in such high manner, that I dont even question it, im gonna ask him for detailed explanation and get back to you

Things to check when my google nexus 7 arrives to make sure everything is fine in it?

Hya,
I'm new on here , so please be easy on me with my question :angel: . I recently purchased Google nexus 7 tablet from some local website who asks the customers to report any defect with in one day, only then they will ship new product :crying: , So I'll get one day for checking . Since Google hasn't launched Google nexus 7 tablet here (India) officially, so I'm getting the imported one, website support peoples even ain't aware of how to get warranty if product gets turned in to black box .
I saw some q/a here and I found many peoples having problem with product (related hardware ones) . I'd be thankful if you guys could list some basic things to check pertaining to hardware of product to make sure everything is fine

Hi, I'm on my 5th replacement and everyone had a different fault!
First you want to check round the edge of the screen to make sure the glass is flush with the case and not raised up so you can push it down with your finger, If anywhere the problem is normally down the left side. (DON'T TRY TO REPAIR IT YOURSELF WITH THE SCREW FIX TUTORIALS!) In most cases the fix is just temporary and the problem returns. This is a defect!
The next thing you want to do is check for dead pixels & white light bleed out around the edge of the screen. This app is perfect for the job.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ujacha.deadpixel
Next you want to check the speakers by cranking them up to 100% and play several video or audio files to check for crackling/distortion/popping.
It's well known that the speakers are very cheap but they should still be crystal clear with the volume at it's highest.
Now you want to check the touch screens response. There is an issue with the screen not responding after heavy processing/game play where the screen becomes unresponsive down one half of the screen and only locking/unlocking the screen solves the problem.
First I would advise hammering the N7 with a game that is Tegra 3 supported for example Dead Trigger or Shadow Gun to get it nice and hot if at any time the screen becomes unresponsive then you have the same issue.
To double check run this app, you should quite easily be able to detect all ten fingers on the screen at all times.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.the511plus.MultiTouchTester
The last thing I would check is the connectivity through Wi-Fi & Bluetooth, this is the least common fault as far as I know. Just check you have nice strong signals with no drop outs.
So after all that if you have managed to put a tick in all the boxes I reckon you have a sweet device!
I hope this helps you and any one else out there and that you have more luck than I had finally getting a perfect working N7.
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Great question (although I don't know if it's a dupe). Thanks for all the info mr_tris. That sucks you're having so many issues. I haven't noticed anything wrong with mine since I got it yesterday, but I'll check all the things you mentioned when I have the tablet in front of me.
Billy

@mr_tris jeez!! 5 replacement means something and very horrible so to speak . I really appreciate help and advises you posted. I'll make sure to check them out .
The only problem I'll have if found any problem in device is that I'll have to wait another 20 days since the new product will be imported by website peoples for me to make replacement

One other thing to check: the gyro.
Does the screen rotate normally or do you have to turn the device so the screen is practically vertical (assuming you choose to unlock rotation via the notification panel).
If you are into gaming, try a driving game or something to make sure the cars don't veer left or right.
I had this trouble on my second one and have read of quite a few other people having the same problem.

The only real issue I've heard about is the screen raising above the bevel some. Yea this is a defect as the screws are too long and pushes the screen out. Returning it 50 times isn't going to fix it. Only by chance may you get one where the screw is slightly smaller (1mm). The solution is to make a little washer out of some plastic and put it under the screw. It doesn't need much to fix it. The cover pops off just like a regular battery cover and the screws are right there. If it is a problem for you, why NOT try to spend 2 min and just fix it yourself?
You wouldn't even notice unless someone pointed it out. You literally have to turn the N7 and look across the screen to even notice it. Hardly anything to freak out about.
Some people have blown their speakers already too. Most have been after a long session of movie watching or music. I suggest to not blow your speakers out (using at Max volume for extended periods) right out of the box. Let the speakers break in first. Honestly the speakers are so loud anyway that I normally have it at 50% volume Max. Probably not an issue either but its good usage practice.
I've also heard of one or two screens fritzing out with lines and fades. Probably nothing to concern yourself with.
I haven't heard of anything else but I guess it would always be best to check it out thoroughly.
I do recommend unlocking first thing because it wipes all data including storage and saves. I'm using EOS rom and its heavenly. Trinity kernel is also awesome because he tweaks the colors of the screen to pop more.
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shaneydroid said:
One other thing to check: the gyro.
Does the screen rotate normally or do you have to turn the device so the screen is practically vertical (assuming you choose to unlock rotation via the notification panel).
If you are into gaming, try a driving game or something to make sure the cars don't veer left or right.
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Well I just installed Puddle and Riptide and my gyroscope is offset by 11% to the right. I can calibrate it with the compass app but it goes back to normal when you reboot it!
RMA form is completed and Replacement No.6 is on its way! :-/
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My nexus 7 arrived today and I must say it's flawless so far I checked . No screen separation, no dead pixel, tested touch with app, played games , voice etc . The SSN starts with C60

mr_tris said:
Well I just installed Puddle and Riptide and...
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Wait... what? I don't see anything (relevent) in the Play Store with those names. Gotta link please?
Thanks!
Billy
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Beamon said:
Hya,
I'm new on here , so please be easy on me with my question :angel: . I recently purchased Google nexus 7 tablet from some local website who asks the customers to report any defect with in one day, only then they will ship new product :crying: , So I'll get one day for checking . Since Google hasn't launched Google nexus 7 tablet here (India) officially, so I'm getting the imported one, website support peoples even ain't aware of how to get warranty if product gets turned in to black box .
I saw some q/a here and I found many peoples having problem with product (related hardware ones) . I'd be thankful if you guys could list some basic things to check pertaining to hardware of product to make sure everything is fine
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Most important things are:
Screen - check viewing angles and color reproduction in the dark. Best reference is to use a site like GSMARENA for high res photos and screen reviews.
Body - Look for cracks or scratches, especially around ports and the headphone jack.
Things to disregard:
Slow system - this is just something you will have to deal with in an android environment.
Warm after prolonged use - again, normal.

JeepFreak said:
Wait... what? I don't see anything (relevent) in the Play Store with those names. Gotta link please?
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You need to install Tegra Zone from Play Store then you'll find them there.
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player911 said:
The only real issue I've heard about is the screen raising above the bevel some. Yea this is a defect as the screws are too long and pushes the screen out. Returning it 50 times isn't going to fix it. Only by chance may you get one where the screw is slightly smaller (1mm). The solution is to make a little washer out of some plastic and put it under the screw. It doesn't need much to fix it. The cover pops off just like a regular battery cover and the screws are right there. If it is a problem for you, why NOT try to spend 2 min and just fix it yourself?
You wouldn't even notice unless someone pointed it out. You literally have to turn the N7 and look across the screen to even notice it. Hardly anything to freak out about.
Some people have blown their speakers already too. Most have been after a long session of movie watching or music. I suggest to not blow your speakers out (using at Max volume for extended periods) right out of the box. Let the speakers break in first. Honestly the speakers are so loud anyway that I normally have it at 50% volume Max. Probably not an issue either but its good usage practice.
I've also heard of one or two screens fritzing out with lines and fades. Probably nothing to concern yourself with.
I haven't heard of anything else but I guess it would always be best to check it out thoroughly.
I do recommend unlocking first thing because it wipes all data including storage and saves. I'm using EOS rom and its heavenly. Trinity kernel is also awesome because he tweaks the colors of the screen to pop more.
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what Trinity kernel does the color tweaks?? i am on CM10 M-Series with Trinity V111, i dont see the tweaks any where??

I just gave a Nexus 7 to my wife for her Birthday yesterday. I must be working fine since her was on it all day yesterday and for the last several hours this evening. If anything was wrong with it, she would of discovered it by now.

When it arrives turn it on, set it up and enjoy it. Don't make urself miserable looking for flaws. If you don't notice anything out of the box don't go looking for issues. Trust me....
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SPreston2001 said:
If you don't notice anything out of the box don't go looking for issues. Trust me....
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I wish I could have that attitude about my electronic devices. It would be a shame for someone to find a defect after the 15 day return grace period just because their device might be OK and they never bothered checking it. You must have spare money to burn. :what:
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mr_tris said:
I wish I could have that attitude about my electronic devices. It would be a shame for someone to find a defect after the 15 day return grace period just because their device might be OK and they never bothered checking it. You must have spare money to burn. :what:
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No I don't have money to burn lol but I just don't think its worth the stress of over examining for defects. If you look hard enough you will see that something isn't 100% straight or a tiny spec of plastic is sticking out or whatever and then it will stand out like a sore thumb once you've noticed it lol. Give it a glance over and if it looks good to you then enjoy your tablet.
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I have flawless c80 here, no raising lcd, no others failures here.. You gotta have some luck sometimes.

Mediocre phone

Hi guys,
I'm thinking of returning my nexus 4 because I'm not happy with it.
By far the biggest problem I have with it is the fact that the microphone is very poorly positioned. Almost every person i talked to told me at one point that they can't hear me properly so i have to hold the phone in a very unusual way for me.
Another problem is the speaker positioning. If the phone is sitting on the couch or bed, i won't be able to hear it if it rings because the speaker is completely covered so no sound gets through.
Another problem i have is the fact that because of its back, you can't really do anything with it using one hand because it will slide all over the place.
Lastly, for the hardware that it has it's unacceptable for the messaging /phone app to take 1-2 seconds to load in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on this?

no issues here. find another phone that you are happy with.

newdevo said:
Hi guys,
I'm thinking of returning my nexus 4 because I'm not happy with it.
By far the biggest problem I have with it is the fact that the microphone is very poorly positioned. Almost every person i talked to told me at one point that they can't hear me properly so i have to hold the phone in a very unusual way for me.
Another problem is the speaker positioning. If the phone is sitting on the couch or bed, i won't be able to hear it if it rings because the speaker is completely covered so no sound gets through.
Another problem i have is the fact that because of its back, you can't really do anything with it using one hand because it will slide all over the place.
Lastly, for the hardware that it has it's unacceptable for the messaging /phone app to take 1-2 seconds to load in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on this?
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1. Microphone problem - Never had this issue. Sounds like a defect in yours.
2. Rear speaker - This happens on a lot of phones with rear speakers. If you're setting it on a soft surface, why not turn it over?
3. Messaging app - Every time you load the messaging app it has to load all of your messages. Try deleting some once in a while. You don't need 10,000 text messages. The R/W speed on RAM is only so fast.
Bottom line, if you don't like it, get another phone. The vast majority of the rest of us think this phone is the best thing since boobs. Well, maybe not boobs, but it's pretty great. The beauty of Android is choice. Exercise your freedom.

its strange that i seem to be the only one with the microphone problem, that's why i came here, to get some feedback, thank you for that, i will talk to my provider about this issue
in the meantime any other feedback is greatly apreciated

estallings15 said:
. The vast majority of the rest of us think this phone is the best thing since boobs.
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Thanked for this sentence
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gallardo5 said:
Thanked for this sentence
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Same, that has hilarious.
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andyabc said:
Same, that has hilarious.
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But it's actually true this phone with proper accesories can replace PC, PlayStation, MP3 player, other media devices, and all it in a bit more than 4.7 inch
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gallardo5 said:
But it's actually true this phone with proper accesories can replace PC, PlayStation, MP3 player, other media devices, and all it in a bit more than 4.7 inch
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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others that have the same microphone problem
http://forums.androidcentral.com/an...ing-normal-mode-but-working-speaker-mode.html
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=56974
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=43416
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1489452&page=63

newdevo said:
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What are your thoughts on this?
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1. Agree with the others, it sounds like you have a microphone defect. I find that it's pretty common amongst many phones to have some units that just have defective mics.
2. It's definitely a problem, more so on a hard surface like a desk (I guess the newer N4 revisions sorta addressed this) than soft surfaces as most phones have speakers on the back and it's always going to be hard to hear when its on something soft
3. Different hands I suppose, I have no trouble BUT I did find it slightly easier to grasp with a sticky-rear glass protector on it (I had the xtremeguard one on for awhile).
4. Sounds like you have too many SMS messages on there. If you'd like to keep a backup to be able to call upon them long term you should use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zegoggles.smssync. It syncs to your gmail so you can just search keywords within any Gmail search box.

moe6 said:
1. Agree with the others, it sounds like you have a microphone defect. I find that it's pretty common amongst many phones to have some units that just have defective mics.
2. It's definitely a problem, more so on a hard surface like a desk (I guess the newer N4 revisions sorta addressed this) than soft surfaces as most phones have speakers on the back and it's always going to be hard to hear when its on something soft
3. Different hands I suppose, I have no trouble BUT I did find it slightly easier to grasp with a sticky-rear glass protector on it (I had the xtremeguard one on for awhile).
4. Sounds like you have too many SMS messages on there. If you'd like to keep a backup to be able to call upon them long term you should use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zegoggles.smssync. It syncs to your gmail so you can just search keywords within any Gmail search box.
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thank you for your opinion
1. i suspect it was the way my carrier, the 4.3 update fixed it
2. i believe its because it's not rounded on the edges so the speaker is perfectly covered, i didn't have this problem with my nexus s for instance
3. ...
4. i rarely have any sms message, i limit all threads to max 20
anyway, i'm quite happy with it now, good to know that the microphone problem is gone

Nothing is impossible - opening the HTC One. Now with video!

After a trip to a shower my HTC One was declared dead (boot loop even after rice, humidity remover, heat, and others) I figured I would open the phone even it it meant that I could destroy it. It turns out that all you really need is patience and tools already available. Sure, I did bent the upper cover but, hey, everything else is intact.
I started by removing the volume button and started using those "guitar picks" around going down. Added some heat to unset the glue and moving slowly I started prying open the right side (when you are looking at the lcd). Than continued moving down until the left side was stuck. After that I went high on the volume button to set the whole right side open.
Now I'm using the other tool (the one that looks like a lever?) I started opening the left side. This side was a lot harder so I applied heat again. After that the glue wasn't an issue and it started to open nicely. Now I have the phone open and I'll see if I can get it working again.
Sorry for the English. I'm too excited to correct the mistakes and I'm not from an English speaking country.
Edit: added tools pictures.
The guitar picks were used to start opening the phone. The green and blue tool were used to open the left/top/bottom sides. The light blue tool was used mostly as a lever on the right side that was already open.
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Video will be here shortly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48832250&postcount=22
Overall experience while opening the HTC One (compared to the iPad 2/iPhone 3G/S/4S/iPod touch 5th/Motorola Atrix/Transformer Prime) I would give it a 4. The iPad being a 2 (almost impossible to open without a heat source and nearly impossible to mount a new glass without issues).

Uhuhu said:
After a trip to a shower
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... Should I ask why?

To fix the purple tint caused by heat on the camera sensor. thats why.

chc31 said:
... Should I ask why?
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After dropping my an old phone in the toilet (Before I went ) never again. My phone is barred from the bathroom unless its in my pocket. I guess the OP wanted to have some alone time with his phone.........................

chc31 said:
... Should I ask why?
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TuneIn, on the upper part of the bathroom/shower (we mostly call it "box" to take a shower while listening to music.

Wow I think that this would be very usefull for other people who want open it...

Von Ropen said:
Wow I think that this would be very usefull for other people who want open it...
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Well, it clearly isint. He just wanted everyone to know that he was able to open the phone.
Ok you did a pretty amazing job. Now let's move on.
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jags_the1 said:
Well, it clearly isint. He just wanted everyone to know that he was able to open the phone.
Ok you did a pretty amazing job. Now let's move on.
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Sorry you meant he was able to break the phone

Von Ropen said:
Sorry you meant he was able to break the phone
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Phone is back. 100% working again. After opening it up I used a hairdryer on the "on/off" switch, left it open to cool down. After an hour I left it charging and left it there. It wasn't boot looping anymore and it turned on.

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Phone is back. 100% working again. After opening it up I used a hairdryer on the "on/off" switch, left it open to cool down. After an hour I left it charging and left it there. It wasn't boot looping anymore and it turned on.
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But it is the same phone? how did you repare the top right corner of the screen that was completely off centered?

Von Ropen said:
But it is the same phone? how did you repare the top right corner of the screen that was completely off centered?
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Same phone. I just glued it back to position with a superglue (superbonder is the trademark I've used). Used a toothpick to smear it gently and used some phone books to keep things in place. The top aluminum part was bent but the superglue is now holding it.
About the video, I'm not sure I'm willing to open it again. It would be awesome tho..

I have read that under the speaker grills there are screws holding it together.. did you encounter these screws?

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I have read that under the speaker grills there are screws holding it together.. did you encounter these screws?
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Found no screws. It's stuck together in one piece by some clips on the white border only. It's also glued around the same white border.
Follow-up: The phone is still working fine but not charging anymore. I'll wait to open it again later, in about two days or so, and than I'll video the process to see if there's something wrong. Hopefully it's fixable. And I hope I can open it without issues just like the first time. If it doesn't charge I'll see if I can get a new charging port (maybe the water did some damage by rusting the contacts of the port).

It seems that the phone is playing tricks on me. It's charging today.. Go figure..

Could be the water damage. I read where people with different phones talked about the phone acting weird like it just stop charging or the screen won't come on. That would come and go without warning. Remember my father in law damaged a phone once when he was a truck driver and delivering his load in to a walk in freezer. He made many trips in and out and I guess from the extreme cold to heat made it condensate inside the phone. Where are the water damage labels on the phone beings you had it open?
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Double post.

Water labels are intact and since htc left Brazil we don't have an authorized to fix it so I opened it and saw that there is no water indicator in red. The water damage sticker is below the flash. Look at the pictures and you'll see a white sticker below the flash and another close to the usb port on the lower side of the phone. Not sure if the second one is a water damage indicator..
I'll keep using the phone till I get some alone time to open it. Tho I'm worried that I might break the phone this time (since it's working again - for no apparent reason).

So, yeah, there's an issue with the charging. Not sure if it's the port or the phone. Tested different chargers and it won't charge while it's on nor when it's off. After a day off it charged (yesterday) but now it won't charge. This sux. I have to find out what's going on. So, yes, I'll have to open it again. I can't have a phone that will be used to drive using gps all day behaving it like that. Phones won't last 4 hours on battery alone while using gps.

Added new picture with tools used..

Sorry for the double/triple post, but it's the best way to keep everyone informed..
If I helped you in any way please consider donating something so I can buy a new phone. The HTC One is dead due to an issue with the USB connector or something else that I'm still not aware. I will use this phone as a test bed from now on to see if I can fix other stuff without breaking too so I do need a new phone. You can donate here: http://bit.ly/1a9vqqg
Thanks and enjoy the video! I hope it helps a lot of people.
A video will be uploaded here: (it's 04:37am GMT -2) and still 205 minutes left to upload. Video will be 720p and it's 1.2gb so yeah, it will take a while. But now I'm off to bed. And sorry for my english. I'm ok writing but I'm so so when speaking. I said I would edit the video but since it's just shy of 19 minutes I figured I would leave it like that.
If you guys have any idea on what to do to help me fix the charging issue I would see if I can try that now that the phone can be easily opened. :fingers-crossed:

Is outdoor visibility - real issue or no?

Can anyone comment on this topic? Reviews on sites seem to really knock the outdoor visibility with these watches so I just wanted some opinions from some real users. It seems reviews continue to knock these devices but a lot of individual reviews from users on sites seem to praise the device and people just seem real happy with them. What's your guys take on this? I'm going to be picking up the Gear Live but it seems both have this issue.
Also for any Gear users, feel free to chime in about the charging method. That seems to be talked about a lot as well but sometimes you never know with these official review sites. I value actual users opinions more.

tu3218 said:
Can anyone comment on this topic? Reviews on sites seem to really knock the outdoor visibility with these watches so I just wanted some opinions from some real users. It seems reviews continue to knock these devices but a lot of individual reviews from users on sites seem to praise the device and people just seem real happy with them. What's your guys take on this? I'm going to be picking up the Gear Live but it seems both have this issue.
Also for any Gear users, feel free to chime in about the charging method. That seems to be talked about a lot as well but sometimes you never know with these official review sites. I value actual users opinions more.
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All the reviews that state the watch face is hard to see outside are stupid. It's obviously hard to see when the screen is dimmed, but as soon as you tilt your wrist and the screen turn on you can see it perfectly even in the brightest sunlight.

Yeah I figured a lot of them over exaggerate that topic. I mean my phone is hard to see in direct sunlight. These types of screens will always be difficult.
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tu3218 said:
Yeah I figured a lot of them over exaggerate that topic. I mean my phone is hard to see in direct sunlight. These types of screens will always be difficult.
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If your phone is hard to see in sunlight that sucks, my S5 is perfectly bright and easy as hell to see. But my Gear Live definitely is not a problem what so ever in sunlight, I love it.

Joe0113 said:
If your phone is hard to see in sunlight that sucks, my S5 is perfectly bright and easy as hell to see. But my Gear Live definitely is not a problem what so ever in sunlight, I love it.
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It's not bad, but of course it's not the same as if it was cloudy out. There is no phone where the visibility isn't slightly decreased in the direct sun. But we can still see the phone to use most importantly. But regardless, that is good to know about the gear live. I really want this watch. How do you feel about the charger port? Everyone keeps saying wait for the 360, but you know what, its August 1st and no announcement has been made. I'm tired of waiting and want to join in on the fun.

I honestly have no problem wit my S5 in direct bright as hell sunlight... But I love it personally. Got a messaging app for wear and now I barely use my phone for texting haha. Charging is painless IMO, I don't get the big deal people have with it.
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Joe0113 said:
I honestly have no problem wit my S5 in direct bright as hell sunlight... But I love it personally. Got a messaging app for wear and now I barely use my phone for texting haha. Charging is painless IMO, I don't get the big deal people have with it.
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Thanks for the info. Just need my best but to get them in.
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I find performance in the rain to be more of an issue.
While trying to track my rides with Strava the rain often closes the app, swipes away cards and generally plays hell with the watch.
There are a couple of screen lock apps but then you can't actually unlock the screen with wet fingers.

atomkinder said:
I find performance in the rain to be more of an issue.
While trying to track my rides with Strava the rain often closes the app, swipes away cards and generally plays hell with the watch.
There are a couple of screen lock apps but then you can't actually unlock the screen with wet fingers.
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Ah that's an interesting point. I wonder if a screen protector would help at all. thanks for the input btw.
Been checking my best buy and it seems they're all starting to get them in.

tu3218 said:
Ah that's an interesting point. I wonder if a screen protector would help at all. thanks for the input btw.
Been checking my best buy and it seems they're all starting to get them in.
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How would a screen protector help? Water is simply highly conductive so that's why the watch goes all crazy. Only way to avoid it is to keep it dry or at least make sure there is no water connecting the touch screen with your skin

spiderflash said:
How would a screen protector help? Water is simply highly conductive so that's why the watch goes all crazy. Only way to avoid it is to keep it dry or at least make sure there is no water connecting the touch screen with your skin
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It was just a suggestion. Some screen protectors actually decrease the sensitivity of the screen. We Dont notice it really but maybe it would help prevent a couple rain drops from messing with the screen. Doesn't matter though lol. Not sure how in the future they can correct this besides your suggestions.
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tu3218 said:
It was just a suggestion. Some screen protectors actually decrease the sensitivity of the screen. We Dont notice it really but maybe it would help prevent a couple rain drops from messing with the screen. Doesn't matter though lol. Not sure how in the future they can correct this besides your suggestions.
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Theres a few phones that are actually designed for you to be able to use underwater. When they recognize water they change the input method from capacitive to pressure I doubt anyone is going to do that on the watch though. And about the screen protectors: If they lower the sensitivity you will run into problems when it's not raining xD

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Theres a few phones that are actually designed for you to be able to use underwater. When they recognize water they change the input method from capacitive to pressure I doubt anyone is going to do that on the watch though. And about the screen protectors: If they lower the sensitivity you will run into problems when it's not raining xD
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Oh wow that's awesome! Maybe that'll eventually be implemented to the same extent how it took awhile for 1080p screens to be used in phones.
My main concern at this point seems to be the charger port.

tu3218 said:
My main concern at this point seems to be the charger port.
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Well that obviously has to be protected by a rubber cap of some sort ^^

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Well that obviously has to be protected by a rubber cap of some sort ^^
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huh? I'm talking about how the piece is known to break easily. Not sure if that is just poorly made equipment or just made well for aggressive people lol

tu3218 said:
huh? I'm talking about how the piece is known to break easily. Not sure if that is just poorly made equipment or just made well for aggressive people lol
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Who manages to break his charging port?? Haha I have never known anyone, but well if that's an issue xD

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Who manages to break his charging port?? Haha I have never known anyone, but well if that's an issue xD
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Well clearly you haven't read any reviews on the gear live then lol Cause its posted in like every review. Talking about the flimsy plastic piece that mounts onto the watch.

tu3218 said:
Well clearly you haven't read any reviews on the gear live then lol
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lol you're right I haven't. Glad I have the G watch

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lol you're right I haven't. Glad I have the G watch
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I thought about the G watch but absolute no best buy has that in stock. So sense they're basically the same watch, I'll just opt in for the cheaper one. Plus at night when my watch is displaying the time, I just want the time to light up. Don't like the idea that the whole screen still lights up. But I still want to try the G watch. Maybe they'll get them in at some point.

tu3218 said:
I thought about the G watch but absolute no best buy has that in stock. So sense they're basically the same watch, I'll just opt in for the cheaper one. Plus at night when my watch is displaying the time, I just want the time to light up. Don't like the idea that the whole screen still lights up. But I still want to try the G watch. Maybe they'll get them in at some point.
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That sucks, my nearby Best Buys all have plenty in stock (last I looked a few days ago). Why not just order one from the website? The only real reason I went with the G Watch is because of the magnetic charger...much, much better than the Live's. I do wish it had an OLED display though. But this is just supposed to hold me over to the moto360, provided it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.