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GLBenchmark: Nexus gets it's ass kicked

Hey guys,
I've been doing these benchmarks alot on WinMo before I got my first Android device. I always felt Winmo was sluggish, but look at this:
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I compared the Nexus with a Milestone, HD2 and 3GS. And it shocked me... The HD2 is faster at most benchmarks!
Is that because of the SDK with OpenGL ES 2.0 isn't used yet?
Hoping this could be improved, because I left Winmo because of this.

I don't believe this benchmark.

Okay, you're comparing several different platforms here. The HD2 and the Nexus One have the exact same GPU.
More accurate: this particular benchmark is faster on its Windows Mobile port than on its Android port.

scoring 100% in a benchmark can not be right?

frleus said:
scoring 100% in a benchmark can not be right?
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Generally speaking in these types of benchmarks, the benchmark is set by the highest-scoring device. 100% would be the king for that specific test.

You would be correct, Android 2.1 as it is on our phones doesn't have all of the graphics boosters. To bo honest, it isn't that surprising IMHO, since these benchmarks are hugely influenced by the software itself, otherwise ROM cooking wouldn't do anything for increasing these #'s.
Maybe you could re-run this with a Cyan ROM, which has lots of those little things added in, such as the Arm Neon graphics inhancing(or whatever the heck its exact name is).
Also, keep in mind, that there are more important factors than "benchmarks".

pjcforpres said:
You would be correct, Android 2.1 as it is on our phones doesn't have all of the graphics boosters. To bo honest, it isn't that surprising IMHO, since these benchmarks are hugely influenced by the software itself, otherwise ROM cooking wouldn't do anything for increasing these #'s.
Maybe you could re-run this with a Cyan ROM, which has lots of those little things added in, such as the Arm Neon graphics inhancing(or whatever the heck its exact name is).
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I agree, with this, but adding one more thing instead of just testing different phones, test these benchmarks on cyan and emnother. With the nexus our graphics performance is aided by software so hardware isnt going to be the kicker between the hd2 and the nexus.

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Web based benchmarks are as fail as the DPI on the HD2.

TheDudeOfLife said:
Web based benchmarks are as fail as the DPI on the HD2.
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In your experience which would be a good benchmark besides Linpack?

jlevy73 said:
In your experience which would be a good benchmark besides Linpack?
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Water submersion test.

TheDudeOfLife said:
Water submersion test.
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+ Drop Height.

uberingram said:
+ Drop Height.
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Submersion test + drop height = the angle of the dangle

I agree that static benchmarks aren't anything, but the Nexus should be at least able to score comparable to the HD2, right? Hardware is the same, it's just the software that differs... alot.

NeoS2007 said:
I agree that static benchmarks aren't anything, but the Nexus should be at least able to score comparable to the HD2, right? Hardware is the same, it's just the software that differs... alot.
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ah the quest for improving graphics on msm7k errr i mean snapdragon processors begin. Nice to see you've jumped to Android neoS2007
i think theres heaps of room for n1 to improve and count me if you decide on creating a group for improving graphics on the n1

babijoee said:
ah the quest for improving graphics on msm7k errr i mean snapdragon processors begin. Nice to see you've jumped to Android neoS2007
i think theres heaps of room for n1 to improve and count me if you decide on creating a group for improving graphics on the n1
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Good to see you here too babijoee. I'm trying to get someone on the MSM bandwagon to coordinate it, but Snapdragon is just so much more interesting... Anyways, goodtimes.
Anyways, I'm not setting up a group until i'm fairly certain the N1 CAN get better. I want to compare the N1 with the Desire and then again when OGLES 2.0 is fully implemented.

Nothing official but defiantly interesting:
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/04/21/google-getting-ready-to-dish-out-some-froyo/
I'm sure if everything mentioned here would defiantly give the n1 a substantial performance increase

Definitely worth waiting for. I'll see if I can track improvements in the graphics area of the N1 once Froyo is out.

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Good to see you here too babijoee. I'm trying to get someone on the MSM bandwagon to coordinate it, but Snapdragon is just so much more interesting... Anyways, goodtimes.
Anyways, I'm not setting up a group until i'm fairly certain the N1 CAN get better. I want to compare the N1 with the Desire and then again when OGLES 2.0 is fully implemented.
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I just ran it on my Desire. The upload failed so i dont have exact figures to prove anything, but it looks much the same as the N1 listed on their site. Most things are within 5%. My HD2 running a dutty custom ROM and Chainfires driver hack is a bit faster.

Raging Thunder 2 run extremly fast on N1, faster than moto chaser on ipod touch 2g. Anyway mobile benchmarks are always bulls**t

Best Quadrant Score?

Hey guys I was just wondering what's your best Quadrant score you've had on your HD2? I got what I think is a fairly high quadrant score today and I was fairly impressed.
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i think 2300 or 2700 somewhere in between

I don't know the reasoning behind it, but from what lots of others have said, Quadrant scores are totally irrelevant. I can only assume it's because we're using ported software, rather than something that was built specifically for our devices. That's my guess anyway.

You beat my score!

johncmolyneux said:
I don't know the reasoning behind it, but from what lots of others have said, Quadrant scores are totally irrelevant. I can only assume it's because we're using ported software, rather than something that was built specifically for our devices. That's my guess anyway.
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Not totally irrelevant, but sometimes close to it. Quadrant standard is useless, pro is a little better.
The problem with Quadrant is:
1) Disk IO test, if you try some of the builds with very high score you'll see it's coming from IO, you can just mount that one part that Quadrant use in RAM, get crazy high score, but that won't speed up any other apps/system as you still use your NAND/SD card
2) Video speed, as on early Darkstone builds video score was very low as that build had something turned off (because with it's ON there were other bugs), but all apps were using some other API for video, so only Quadrant was slow on it
3) Quadrant tests doesn't show real system performance, so higher score might have no increase in speed in other apps. For example you can put newest CPU on your PC, but having only 256mb RAM would make everything slow, no matter how fast your CPU is, but CPU score would be higher
This doesn't mean that Quadrant is bad, in my opinion if you're using pro version and you get some component score (for example CPU score) higher on one build then on other - that's good. If you get total score higher, build might be actually slower then other build with low score.

this is the old 1.32... at 1200mhz cedes sd build.
with the new 1.72... dhd base i get max 5000 cpu points and approx 5000 I/O points with data on ext4 partition. that makes 2400 overall quadrant points. at 998 mhz. but if i put all data to nand the I/O points are 1250, but the device feels faster and boots faster. for now i only put app folder on the ext4 partition, dalvik and data remain on internal memory. i am still testing whats the best combo, it takes lot of time

johncmolyneux said:
I don't know the reasoning behind it, but from what lots of others have said, Quadrant scores are totally irrelevant. I can only assume it's because we're using ported software, rather than something that was built specifically for our devices. That's my guess anyway.
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I think your right there.
I don't use Quadrant much but i got over 3000 before (using Darkstones SUPERAM)

Mine was when I didn't even overclock the CPU.
Thought that was pretty good, I usually get about 1600.
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Skellyyy said:
Mine was when I didn't even overclock the CPU.
Thought that was pretty good, I usually get about 1600.
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thats not bad man what build do you have on your phone?

SuperNAND got about 4000.
Proof:
Someone beat this . Quadrant scores are garbage, it proves nothing.

jonny68 said:
thats not bad man what build do you have on your phone?
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As I'm on my phone right now I can't get the link but its the DHD build by Andrew something. Should be on the first page in the NAND forum.
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Incredible CM7 Benchmark Scores (Post here)

I don't know how I got this, I usually only get 4100 and 4200 max but some how I ended up getting 4451! This defiantly competes with the SGS2. Please post any score you have here!
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LOL, and our OC isn't even near as high! 1.1 vs 1.5 ghz!!

SICK! Wow I cant f**king wait!

Chubby_Skunk said:
SICK! Wow I cant f**king wait!
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LOL if we break 1.1... that would be amazing. I wouldn't be surprised to see wayy over 5000!

Do yal not understand how out of date quadrant is? Its results are worthless on any dualcore phone period.
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jug6ernaut said:
Do yal not understand how out of date quadrant is? Its results are worthless on any dualcore phone period.
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Haha, yeah I'm pretty sure every one knows that. It's just fun being silly with it

This should be in general, not themes and apps.

Why is that ?... post about a quadrant score , which is an app .
Is there any good benchmark for dual core ?

ofek said:
Why is that ?... post about a quadrant score , which is an app .
Is there any good benchmark for dual core ?
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Yeah, it's called real lief performance.
If everything works with no lag = epic bench mark
If something lags = crappy software

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Yeah, it's called real lief performance.
If everything works with no lag = epic bench mark
If something lags = crappy software
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Lol +0+0+0+0+0+1= +1

Use Chain Fire (CF) Bench... much better for dual core

CaelanT said:
This should be in general, not themes and apps.
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Well this is sort of where this kind of benchmark stuff has always been.

CaelanT said:
This should be in general, not themes and apps.
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Quadrant is an App

1. How are you doing a quadrant benchmark? Mine errors out at "decoding video". (10/12)
2. I am working on a 1.2 ghz overclock kernel. So far a lot of bugs, maybe that's why quadrant failed... if I succeed, I will try 1.4... if I can even out the major bugs I will release it.
Also, just want to add that on said kernel I got a 6752 overall in Chainfire...
Kthxbai
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trvstw said:
1. How are you doing a quadrant benchmark? Mine errors out at "decoding video". (10/12)
2. I am working on a 1.2 ghz overclock kernel. So far a lot of bugs, maybe that's why quadrant failed... if I succeed, I will try 1.4... if I can even out the major bugs I will release it.
Also, just want to add that on said kernel I got a 6752 overall in Chainfire...
Kthxbai
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You're likely getting an error at "decoding video" because you have used your camera. In order to get quadrant to work properly, you have to run a benchmark before you've opened the camera and caused it to force close.

thegregulator said:
You're likely getting an error at "decoding video" because you have used your camera. In order to get quadrant to work properly, you have to run a benchmark before you've opened the camera and caused it to force close.
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Thank you.
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Smartbench 2011
Awesome Benchmark...
does graphics tests

whats the point hight quadrant or any benchmark if the phone stills laggy and can't play 720p lose the fingerprint captabilities and webtop?!
if you want hight quadrant without webtop and fingerprint buy another phone xD lol
just saying.....please don't interpret me wrong

or, if you want all those features, don't install a pre-beta version of a ROM?
highest quadrant score i've gotten so far is 3400-3500, what are you guys doing with your settings to get so high?

Alcapone263 said:
or, if you want all those features, don't install a pre-beta version of a ROM?
highest quadrant score i've gotten so far is 3400-3500, what are you guys doing with your settings to get so high?
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I'm not sure how many times you've tried the test, but I did it about five times in a row and each time my score raised by about 150 until it steadied at 4200 or so. Make sure to free as much RAM and extra processor usage as possible using a task manager or similar. Also, are you at 1.1Ghz? That's what I'm at with the kernel that came with the CM7 pre-beta install. I believe it is faux's kernel.

vinay427 said:
I'm not sure how many times you've tried the test, but I did it about five times in a row and each time my score raised by about 150 until it steadied at 4200 or so. Make sure to free as much RAM and extra processor usage as possible using a task manager or similar. Also, are you at 1.1Ghz? That's what I'm at with the kernel that came with the CM7 pre-beta install. I believe it is faux's kernel.
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Lol, and unmount your storage (just plug it into the computer, mass storage)

Stock kernel performing better than franco.Kernel?

I'm running stock ROM, rooted and unlocked bootloader.
I ran antutu and benchmark pi on stock ROM+stock kernel and I got:
Antutu:18096
Benchmark pi:440
I flashed Franco r143 and ran antutu and benchmark pi and got:
Antutu:15526
Benchmark pi:557
I read everywhere that franco's kernel gave better performance so.....something wrong with my phone?
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Nothing is wrong with your phone.
Stop doing benchmarks on your phone. Benchmarks are sh!t.
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If you honestly judge performance by benchmarks then I don't know what to say.

But how else would I brag to my friends?
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I'm not judging performance based on benchmarks
Just wondering why the scores decreased
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I'd say the battery performance of Franco kernel comes with a price.

I just ran a test and got this on r143
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benchmarks dont prove anything

I've always found the stock kernel to be smoother. I only use Franco because I get double the battery life out of it.

Benchmarks are just a number. It means nothing when it comes to daily performance.
Franco Kernel is the same as stock kernel in terms of performance, but most likely faster. If its not faster then its something going on with your setup such as: ROM, bad apps, bad configuration when it comes to settings [did you try clearing app cache for franco kernel updater etc]

Why does gs4/htc-one get higher benchmark scores? Because they are faster.
OP you are probably getting lower benchmarks because the kernels governors are set frugally to save battery.

meangreenie said:
Why does gs4/htc-one get higher benchmark scores? Because they are faster.
OP you are probably getting lower benchmarks because the kernels governors are set frugally to save battery.
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And yet I have yet to see my N4 lag whilst every video of the S4 I see shows lag at some points and every review I've read confirms random lag. Don't try and defend benchmarks, they mean absolutely nothing.

Properly done benchmarks means whatever it is designed to mean. For example, a super computer benchmarked at 1.4 teraflop makes the designer who developed it to run at 1.4 TF extremely happy.
An apps that spew out a number that is supposed to quantify your phone's quality is bull****.
However, I do agree that stock kernel is perceivably smoother than Franco kernel though
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KyraOfFire said:
Properly done benchmarks means whatever it is designed to mean. For example, a super computer benchmarked at 1.4 teraflop makes the designer who developed it to run at 1.4 TF extremely happy.
An apps that spew out a number that is supposed to quantify your phone's quality is bull****.
However, I do agree that stock kernel is perceivably smoother than Franco kernel though
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It's probably because stock kernel is using Ondemand as it's default Governor. Frequencies go on-line more often than Franco's hotplug settings on Interactive.

Nigeldg said:
And yet I have yet to see my N4 lag whilst every video of the S4 I see shows lag at some points and every review I've read confirms random lag. Don't try and defend benchmarks, they mean absolutely nothing.
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No, the gs4 and htc-one really are faster as the benchmarks show... Software is a different matter.
Lag is generally caused by governors set to race to idle too aggressively on android. Some launchers cover this up better than others.

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No, the gs4 and htc-one really are faster as the benchmarks show... Software is a different matter.
Lag is generally caused by governors set to race to idle too aggressively on android. Some launchers cover this up better than others.
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Their hardware might be faster but their software is not which completely proves my point that benchmarks are not an accurate reflection of performance. The fact that results vary so much on the same device with different software shows that they aren't a way to measure hardware performance either.

Benchmarks were never meant to be an 'accurate reflection of performance'
Benchmarks are a very accurate reflection of the performance potential and hardware of said device.
Devices with better performance 'potential' and hardware are faster devices, period. Whatever hang ups software is causing has nothing to do with it, and benchmarks are not meaningless.. some people just get the meaning wrong.

Benchmarks are not meaningless, but there is no way to effectively measure benchmarks on a cellphone.
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Bencharks are differnet cause stock kernel and custom kernel works differently..also..mpdecision are gone from custom kernels...they are enabling cpu's differently from stock kernel...if you wanna brag about it at your friends...simply show them your version number at 10th June..and give them your nexus 4 for 5-10minutes..without say nothing to them..

Antutu score

Hi guys, why my antutu score is so low compared to OP3 (especially on 3D) ? It's even lower than the old G5. I'm using v10t open stock rom
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Strange, my G6 scored 144325 points with the same benchmarking app.
Your test seems to lack in 3D performances.
I did not stop any app before I run the bench.

1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things

Update : i did another test with "force gpu rendering" option on and with game battery saver off. My score increased but i saw on youtube that other variant of G6 can reach up to 160k
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ric84 said:
1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things
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Point 4 doesn't matter here because AnTuTu does the 3D benchmark at 1080p

simo14 said:
Update : i did another test with "force gpu rendering" option on and with game battery saver off. My score increased but i saw on youtube that other variant of G6 can reach up to 160k
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Without modified system and few apps running in background.

MuttleyMB said:
Without modified system and few apps running in background.
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My problem is 3D performance... Which firmware are you using ?
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simo14 said:
My problem is 3D performance... Which firmware are you using ?
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Just a stock v10t-EUR-XX Vodafone IT Branded firmware (no root) with many bloatware disabled.

ric84 said:
1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things
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Excpecially the point 5 should avoid any benchmark comparison with OnePlus smartphones

also, changing to the latest available antutu (outside of google play store) changed my score too, 140k+ is on par with snapdragon 821 devices and you shouldn't fret about the small differences. Try Geekbench

EvilHowl said:
Point 4 doesn't matter here because AnTuTu does the 3D benchmark at 1080p
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Sorry, didnt know! I mean i didnt recognize it :laugh:

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Close up whatsapp & have the battery above 90% when benchmarking and start with a room temperature phone.