"Sony Xperia Z2 won't let you record more than ~5 minutes of 4K video (and neither will Note 3 and S5)"
4K video recording is slowly but surely clawing its way into the mobile scene, and although its adoption is quite limited thus far, some manufacturers who are feeling more adventurous than others are starting to build the feature into some of their premium smartphones. Some of the first models offering 4K video recording are Samsung's Galaxy Note 3 and S5, as well as Sony's Xperia Z2, which recently got released on the market to become what's considered one of the finest handsets money can buy right now (probably until the LG G3 shows up, that is).
However, it turns out that these phones, even though they are officially capable of recording 4K video, cannot deliver an experience we'd consider truly adequate. Why? The answer is simple: they cannot record more than 5 minutes of footage in 4K resolution.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...-video-and-neither-will-Note-3-and-S5_id56633
Mine will. I just tried recording 4K twice and stopped it at 10 minutes myself. No excessive heating, no camera force close. The phone gradually got warmer in the area around the camera module, but the temperature rise ceased at around 5 minutes and the temperature remained steady after that.
The new .402 update seems to make a big difference on my device - 4K recording is now lasting around 10mins from cold before it closes down.
The difference however is that it now states that it needs to cool the camera down and will save the video.
I flashed the German unbranded to my UK unbranded phone last night.
Peav said:
The new .402 update seems to make a big difference on my device - 4K recording is now lasting around 10mins from cold before it closes down.
The difference however is that it now states that it needs to cool the camera down and will save the video.
I flashed the German unbranded to my UK unbranded phone last night.
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Same here. I also was able to record the same on Note 3.
How big is a 10" video ? 9 GB ?
higgs_ said:
How big is a 10" video ? 9 GB ?
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3.9 GB (tested by me).
It will be hard to have longer than 10 minute video because of limited capacity od FAT format, which is 4gb. It's just a theory about the videos on this device. Haven't tried formatting card to NTFS or something.
If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me
Peav said:
The new .402 update seems to make a big difference on my device - 4K recording is now lasting around 10mins from cold before it closes down.
The difference however is that it now states that it needs to cool the camera down and will save the video.
I flashed the German unbranded to my UK unbranded phone last night.
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Mine the same now with the update, only got about 4mins before lasted 10mins now and said the above needs to close to cool camera down.
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"Sony Xperia Z2 won't let you record more than ~5 minutes of 4K video (and neither will Note 3 and S5)"
4K video recording is slowly but surely clawing its way into the mobile scene, and although its adoption is quite limited thus far, some manufacturers who are feeling more adventurous than others are starting to build the feature into some of their premium smartphones. Some of the first models offering 4K video recording are Samsung's Galaxy Note 3 and S5, as well as Sony's Xperia Z2, which recently got released on the market to become what's considered one of the finest handsets money can buy right now (probably until the LG G3 shows up, that is).
However, it turns out that these phones, even though they are officially capable of recording 4K video, cannot deliver an experience we'd consider truly adequate. Why? The answer is simple: they cannot record more than 5 minutes of footage in 4K resolution.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...-video-and-neither-will-Note-3-and-S5_id56633
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Half true, the Note 3 and S5 are limited to 5 mins by Samsung, the Z2 has no limitation introduced purposfully by Sony, the limitation on the Z2 is the fact that it gets very hot eventually overheating due to the demands on the processor and memory. If your phone wouldn't overheat the Z2 can record until you run out of storage. The article is rather missleading saying how it's overheating right at the end of the article.
Bear it in mind that the time the Z2 can record 4k is highly dependant on the the indevidual phone (some people have seen 15 mins+ whilst others 5 mins, ambient temperature and how hot the phone was before recording 4k.
I have personally recorded 10 mins at 4k, yes the phone's exterior got very hot, but no overheating message.
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Half true, the Note 3 and S5 are limited to 5 mins by Samsung, the Z2 has no limitation introduced purposfully by Sony, the limitation on the Z2 is the fact that it gets very hot eventually overheating due to the demands on the processor and memory. If your phone wouldn't overheat the Z2 can record until you run out of storage. The article is rather missleading saying how it's overheating right at the end of the article.
Bear it in mind that the time the Z2 can record 4k is highly dependant on the the indevidual phone (some people have seen 15 mins+ whilst others 5 mins, ambient temperature and how hot the phone was before recording 4k.
I have personally recorded 10 mins at 4k, yes the phone's exterior got very hot, but no overheating message.
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You were able to record 10 mins after the update, right ?
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You were able to record 10 mins after the update, right ?
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As I bought it, I haven't updated yet. It was only once though.
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Originally, I was only able to record about 5 minutes. After the .402 update, I was able to reach 7 minutes before I stopped it myself. However, after I stopped the recording myself, it gave me the overheating message lol.
I don't know if it was just my imagination but it felt as if my phone did not heat up as fast compared to before the update when it got hot in 3 minutes or so. I honestly don't think the update did much for 4k video recording and that I was just able to get to 7+ minutes of 4k recording due to the cooler ambient temperature. Either way, I'm able to consistently reach 5 minutes of 4k recording before and after the update so I'm quite satisfied.
So it sounds like we all agree that the 402 update did help this problem, yes?
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With the announcement of the Z2 and 4K video I was wondering, Can the Z1 shoot in 4K? The sensors are exactly the same however there is a difference in the chip and 3Gb of RAM as opposed to 2Gb. Does this therefore limit it to shooting 1080?
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With the announcement of the Z2 and 4K video I was wondering, Can the Z1 shoot in 4K? The sensors are exactly the same however there is a difference in the chip and 3Gb of RAM as opposed to 2Gb. Does this therefore limit it to shooting 1080?
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I really hope Sony won't say that..
That could be their reason to "trick us" to buy Z2.
Apparently, S801 has 45% more power in camera operating and in total it's 15-20% faster.
Z2 has 3Gb so that could be the main two reasons for Sony to say that famous line: for the users sake, we won't add...bla ..bla.
We all know that's not true and Z1 is more than capable to record and play 4K video without any problems...
We already saw few devices with a same hardware like Z1 recording and playing 4K.
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The moment they restrict us features I dump my locked bootloader state and instantly load up a rom that supports the features I want.
And also if they do that it's honestly the last time I pay this much for a phone that is abandoned within a few months. (Feature-wise...)
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I really hope Sony won't say that..
That could be their reason to "trick us" to buy Z2.
Apparently, S801 has 45% more power in camera operating and in total it's 15-20% faster.
Z2 has 3Gb so that could be the main two reasons for Sony to say that famous line: for the users sake, we won't add...bla ..bla.
We all know that's not true and Z1 is more than capable to record and play 4K video without any problems...
We already saw few devices with a same hardware like Z1 recording and playing 4K.
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Im sure someone will port it over if Sony doesn't bring it out for Z2. Like the Z1s exclusive defocus app. Whether it can handle remain to be seen, as The Acer liquid S2 with S800 and only 2 GB ram can also shoot 4k video. Unless Acer has customized and added some hardware for 4k encoding.
Let's hope it is just a software limitation which gets changed. I really want to start shooting in 4K and am not going to drop another £500+ on a Z2 or Note 3.
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4K video would be very nice.
Then I can resize it down to 1080p to make a very sharp high quality 1080p video.
Both Note3 and Acer S2 who used S800 is capable to record 4k video. But I beat it's not just the camera.apk easy porting, you'll also need to port things from kernel. The Z1/Z1c kernel missed the driver of 4k recording, ended up it won't be an easy task because difficult to get Z2 kernel sources in the near future.
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Hello all,
Feel like im having no luck with my phones. had a load of HTC One M8 all with problems.
Now im on my second Z2, first with that gap issue but this second one can only record full HD video for 7 mins on my test
So should I send it back? I tested this out by using google camera from play store and noticed the camera still running at 17 mins so would this mean softeware??
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Really use should test with the stock camera app to rule out software.
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ILS_SuperNova said:
Hello all,
Feel like im having no luck with my phones. had a load of HTC One M8 all with problems.
Now im on my second Z2, first with that gap issue but this second one can only record full HD video for 7 mins on my test
So should I send it back? I tested this out by using google camera from play store and noticed the camera still running at 17 mins so would this mean softeware??
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That doesn't seem right. Have you tried 4K recording? Just curious to know how long your 4K videos would be before the overheat warning.
I just tested 4K recording just now, I got to 14:45 then got an overheat warning but the video saved. The phone wasn't even hot, it was just warm.
I think you should replace your phone, hope you have better luck with your new phone.
I think it may be a software issue also. I just tried recording a 4k video and my camera shut off at 4 minutes, the temperature right after the shutdown was 40 degrees C according to GSM battery monitor. I let the phone cool down to ambient temperatures and did some regular recording. I reached 17 minutes before manually shutting it down myself and the temperature was 40 degrees as well. My phone has gotten hotter than that while doing other things and it seemed fine. My guess is that the software is being too aggressive in trying to keep the phone cool during 4k recordings
I only got 4mins 30 seconds recording 4k then it shut down this is the reply from sony.
Dear Brian,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Xperia support centre.
We are sorry to hear of the issues you have been experiencing with recording using 4K video on your Sony Xperia Z2.
Sony Mobile is aware of some users encountering issues when shooting 4K video for extended periods.
4K capture is an advanced and professional video recording experience and shooting movies at this resolution can make significant demands on your phone's processor, memory and battery life.
Therefore for the best experience, we recommend you install a high capacity SD card (Xperia Z2 can take a card up to 64GB) and shoot 4K video in short bursts of no longer than a few minutes at a time.
We hope this information is of some assistance.
For the latest news, information and product support please visit www.sonymobile.com.
If you require any further assistance then please do not hesitate to contact us again. Please use the below link for all our contact information.
http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/support/contact-us/
Please be aware that should you not respond within 5 days of this email your query will be automatically closed. Any further communications will not reach our support and a new query will need to be raised.
Kind Regards,
Amy Garard
Sony Xperia UK Customer Services
Wonder what they say if I would say to them that mine overheats on 1.14 min at 4k, is this also long period for recording ?
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ahvipardik said:
Wonder what they say if I would say to them that mine overheats on 1.14 min at 4k, is this also long period for recording ?
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The key point is they say "Sony Mobile is aware of some users encountering issues when shooting 4K video for extended periods."
so if its only some users does that mean us that are suffering the problem have a faulty phone
1.14 minutes in my view isn't an extended period, recording my children for just over a minute then the phone shuts off in my opinion isn't acceptable.
Going back tomorrow but sounds to me this is happening on nearly every Z2 i havent tried 4K but will now.. But the fact that im getting only 7 mins on 1080p recording doesnt sound good...
This must be Sony software triggering a safety measure but its not needed as other camera apps work fine
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napkun said:
I think it may be a software issue also. I just tried recording a 4k video and my camera shut off at 4 minutes, the temperature right after the shutdown was 40 degrees C according to GSM battery monitor. I let the phone cool down to ambient temperatures and did some regular recording. I reached 17 minutes before manually shutting it down myself and the temperature was 40 degrees as well. My phone has gotten hotter than that while doing other things and it seemed fine. My guess is that the software is being too aggressive in trying to keep the phone cool during 4k recordings
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I understand what your trying to say, but why are the times so inconsistent, like some users only getting 5 mins and other users like myself getting 15 mins?
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I understand what your trying to say, but why are the times so inconsistent, like some users only getting 5 mins and other users like myself getting 15 mins?
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This is a good point... Just tried 4K now and got 5 mins then camera shut off without a message.. Then tried another full HD and was up to 12 mins before i stopped then got the temp message...
Its a tricky one this.. After using google camera and getting longer it looked software but now with the different lengths of video it could actually be hardware....
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just did another 4k video this time saved it to SD card got 5 mins then shut down with no warning and video is corrupt said 42 C on battery monitor so looks like 40 c is the cut off temp.
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This is a good point... Just tried 4K now and got 5 mins then camera shut off without a message.. Then tried another full HD and was up to 12 mins before i stopped then got the temp message...
Its a tricky one this.. After using google camera and getting longer it looked software but now with the different lengths of video it could actually be hardware....
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Could be a combination of both, I will do more 4k recordings when my screen protector arrives and see if the videos will last close to the same time as my first try.
Another test on 1080p 60fps gave me a camera shut down at 2 half mins :0 this is simpley shocking stuff on Sonys behalf..
Theres another thread on here regarding when users Z2 were made and some say theirs has overheating problem and others with same build time havent.. Not even any gaps to speak of..
Im hoping tomorrow i will recieve a better unit or Im gonna have to go back Samsungs way
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So the way I look at this, is under the Sales of Goods act in the UK, as Sony are advertising this as a 4k camcorder phone, given the current issue, its not of merchantable quality. I will stick with the Z2 for another 4 months (I love the phone in all other respects), in the hope they can rectify the issue by firmware and/or by a hardware revision and a unit swap. If neither of these materialise, I request a full refund and move to whatever is the best phone on the market at that time. I'm in a similar position with the Z2 tablet and its touchscreen response problem.
u guys are lucky. i get the over heating notice when recording 4K for 53 sec.
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u guys are lucky. i get the over heating notice when recording 4K for 53 sec.
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Lucky.. I get it on standard full hd recording... I wont use 4K but full hd i.will
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If recording 1080p and it shuts down after a min etc take it back i tried 1080p last night got over 30 minutes no warnings etc i closed it down myself battery temp was showing about 35 oC
To be honest guys. These are the first generation of 4k video recording devices. It'll take some time to make this feature solid
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To be honest guys. These are the first generation of 4k video recording devices. It'll take some time to make this feature solid
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If the hardware isn't up to the job yet, the feature should probably be disabled. A bit late now of course, but Sony must have done sufficient testing and been aware of the overheating issue before it was unveiled at MWC?
I do think that Sony will be working hard to fix the problem in software, so there's perhaps still hope (does the Note 3 get that hot when recording 4K for example?) but otherwise I think this problem isn't going to go away and sooner or later some of the big websites, Watchdog (a consumer programme in the UK for those that aren't from here) and so on will go to town on them.
Hey guys!
The other day I went on a trip to Hamburg, Germany and I got to experience the "Miniatur Wunderland" (in English "Miniature Wonderland", in case your German and common sense are both lacking). It was one hell of an awesome experience. As I was walking through the modeled cities, I decided to test the 4K capabilities of my, at the time, rooted and modded Sony Xperia Z1. If you're interested, you can watch the video below:
See for yourself and let me know what you think!
Here's my opinion on 4K video:
When downscaled to 1080p the quality it looks amazing. Although I don't have a 4K monitor yet, if I do zoom in on the 4K video it looks like the details are still a bit lacking at the full resolution (of course I'd have to confirm this with a 4K monitor). In low light however, there is so much noise that the 4K video won't have any more details than a 1080p clip. But hey, what can you expect from a camera sensor that small. Apart from that, it was VERY difficult to keep the phone steady when recording, since it didn't feature any stabilizer for 4K video. But overall, you may colour me impressed!
Nice video!
I guess you must have a large capacity sd card .
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Nice video!
I guess you must have a large capacity sd card .
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Thanks!
As a fun fact, which may or may not be somewhat useful to some: at the Miniatur Wunderland I took 38 videocips in 4K, which are 6.11 GB in total file size.
That's not as bad as I thought initially, because I was indeed worried about the total size. Also, I recall that it never shut down due to overheating, which seems to be an issue when recording for too long. My longest clip is about 1:15 (just over a minute) long, and I recorded with minimal time in between the videos.
When I first picked up my Galaxy s7 Edge on Sprint, I wrote a post about poor quality, lack of stability, and a lot of people told me I was imagining it, or put it down to YouTube. Now watch this...
https://youtu.be/gF_PRYBFS84
That is a video I took in FHD60 (i.e. 1080p and 60 frames per second) - skip forward to 8 seconds. Unacceptable isn't the word. I should add, most of the time it's not as bad as this - usually just a really jarring stutter, but it's done this a few times,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRAHEE-nB4
This one is 4K. Not as bad on the face of it, but the weird motion blurring and blockiness present is ...well, it doesn't feel very 4K. I also experience some skips/frame drops when filming in this mode.
I took approx 130 10-30 second videos over the weekend and skipping is present in most of them. I've even got to the point where I try and film everything twice (panning across a landscape) so i can hopefully minimize the likelihood of skipping.
This is my second S7 edge, after the first one developed a dead pixel within the first 2 weeks. I've updated the firmware to G935PVPU2APD3.
From what I've read online in forums, one user claimed that on a live chat , Samsung are refusing to admit it publicly, but there is nothing they can do to improve it. I believe this is a problem mainly with the US Snapdragon 820 chip - but I dunno, it could be an issue with the International version too - either way, I'm not happy but it looks like we have to put up with it.
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When I first picked up my Galaxy s7 Edge on Sprint, I wrote a post about poor quality, lack of stability, and a lot of people told me I was imagining it, or put it down to YouTube. Now watch this...
https://youtu.be/gF_PRYBFS84
That is a video I took in FHD60 (i.e. 1080p and 60 frames per second) - skip forward to 8 seconds. Unacceptable isn't the word. I should add, most of the time it's not as bad as this - usually just a really jarring stutter, but it's done this a few times,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRAHEE-nB4
This one is 4K. Not as bad on the face of it, but the weird motion blurring and blockiness present is ...well, it doesn't feel very 4K. I also experience some skips/frame drops when filming in this mode.
I took approx 130 10-30 second videos over the weekend and skipping is present in most of them. I've even got to the point where I try and film everything twice (panning across a landscape) so i can hopefully minimize the likelihood of skipping.
This is my second S7 edge, after the first one developed a dead pixel within the first 2 weeks. I've updated the firmware to G935PVPU2APD3.
From what I've read online in forums, one user claimed that on a live chat , Samsung are refusing to admit it publicly, but there is nothing they can do to improve it. I believe this is a problem mainly with the US Snapdragon 820 chip - but I dunno, it could be an issue with the International version too - either way, I'm not happy but it looks like we have to put up with it.
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What is your Camera Chip?
Mine is: SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS
Exynos Version
To find out, download Aida64, go to Devices and see Rear-Facing Camera Section
dave7802 said:
What is your Camera Chip?
Mine is: SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS
Exynos Version
To find out, download Aida64, go to Devices and see Rear-Facing Camera Section
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Hi Dave,
I have the Snapdragon 820 processor and camera is SONY_IMX260
I've seen pieces online that say the Snapdragon fares worse than the Exynos in terms of performance, so it could be only really noticeable on those phones
Indeed, am no pro snapper so I cannot comment.
But the picture quality has been perfect on my device.
Am going to try this recording on the way home in the car now though (something i have yet to do)
I'll upload to YouTube for you to view if you like.
Any specific settings you used?
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Indeed, am no pro snapper so I cannot comment.
But the picture quality has been perfect on my device.
Am going to try this recording on the way home in the car now though (something i have yet to do)
I'll upload to YouTube for you to view if you like.
Any specific settings you used?
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It happens with FHD60 most commonly. Panning the camera makes it most notable... that's pretty much it!
Just a question.. you are recording internally or on sdcard?
I don't think there's any way that is a hardware issue. Seems like something is going way wrong with the video recording on the software level - I'd be money it is digital stabilization going haywire. Was that turned off? If so, maybe it's broken.
Maybe some of you have seen the same question here in xda or in other forums, but I've researched deeper about the image sensor and it also supports 1080p60 video recording and even more! Actual recording is not even 30 fps, is 25 fps!
As you can see in the image
Why another thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/themes/moto-g4-plus-1080p60fps-t3552528
PS: The recording is at 30FPS in a normal country like US.
First off, there are 3 threads about this on XDA already.
Secondly, unless you want to rewrite the drivers and modify the kernel for the G4+, then don't ***** and whine about not having a feature 98% of people don't use. Besides, the G4+ sensor, while decent, lacks any sort of stabilization (OIS/EIS), and 30fps is generally sufficient regardless.
Moreover, a bit of heating while using the camera on the phone is well known, don't know what will happen if one day by chance 60fps is enabled somehow
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Moreover, a bit of heating while using the camera on the phone is well known, don't know what will happen if one day by chance 60fps is enabled somehow
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People then will cry why the device is getting so hot while recording 1080p60 and wants to fix this ASAP.