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i'm really consedoring buying the legend , just wondering since the CPU is 600MHz , will it be good with intensive 3D gaming like Asphalt 5 , Raging Thunder and Deliverace ?
or should i get the Samsung Wave instead ? cause i won't buy a phone that don't game well
Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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then why do they say that the legend is only a slight upgrade from the hero in terms of tech?
it runs 3d games smooth, that is the 3d games out now and support tilt control, and that are not a lot of games.
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
simply said, if you want to go for a mobile that supports hardcore 3d games and thatw really important to you in the long term, then get the desire or nexus or iphone. Sure the Legend support and runs the current gen of games perfect. There will come a time in next couple of month when increasing spec demand on a mobile will get the Legend a step back.
But who knows, the Hero getting an upgrade to 2.1 and it performs 100% better then on 1.6 android.
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hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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The MSM7200 SoC in the Hero does have a GPU based on ATI Imageon technology. It's not a particularly capable unit, but it is there.
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Dave
jakontil said:
hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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Take a look here: qualcomm.com/news/releases/2009/02/12/qualcomm-targets-sub-150-smartphones-versatile-high-performance-chipset-sup
The new MSM7227 chipset features a 600 MHz applications processor with a floating point unit, 320 MHz application DSP, 400 MHz modem processor, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics
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Apparently it supports OpenGL 2.0 whereas the Hero's dedicated GPU only suppors OpenGL 1.0. So it should perform better, but so far there are hardly any Android apps that make use of a dedicated GPU so it's hard to actually say how big the difference is.
Jarune said:
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
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I tried these out on my Legend.
Asphalt does work and so does tilt control. You have to enable accelerometer in the game options. The game seemed incredibly fast though. But maybe that's how it's supposed to play.
Raging Thunder. No problems there. Pretty fun too.
And as you said, google earth doesn't even start up
is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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I suppose it is 3....
3D Gaming Tests
I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^
There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5
Speedx 3D
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx
Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.
5
Armageddon Squadron
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx
By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...
4
Raging Thunder 2 Lite
http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx
Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,
3.5
Speed Forge 3D Demo
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx
Perfect! Super smooth!
5
Magnetic Sports Soccer
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx
Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom
4.5
ToonWarz - LITE
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx
Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!
1
Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android
http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/
Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...
4.5
For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.
Homerun battle 3D demo- 5
Wave Blazer - 4
Quake 2&1 - 2
Mystique Chapter 1 - 5
My Paper - 5
Lybyrinth - 5
Dice 3D - 5
Friday Escape Lite - 3.5
Armadillo Roll Demo - 5
Vacuum - 5
Raging Thunder 1 - 5
NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!
Upcoming tests after putting money aside
Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there
Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)
Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??
Super G Stunt
SpaceTracks
Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)
Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)
AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777
After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5.
i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.
the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).
so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.
the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.
version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.
Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5
Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5
so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?
i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.
but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.
Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.
Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.
This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.
A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?
Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.
Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!
* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)
The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser
FIFA10 lags too.
the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).
if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.
if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.
the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.
based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.
this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)
Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...
Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2
Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...
hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204
THis is a good read:
hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/
hi there, i have a rooted Samsung Galaxy 3 as most of you too.
here's the thing, i've rooted my phone, installed 3d chainfire and updated all of my drivers (of chainfire that is) installed setcpu and set it on perfromance base on 1300MHz. after that i thought to myself well a everything is done i can start downloading games now, i first downloaded PES 2011 and felt really excited when it booted and expected some good gaming and fun when traveling but when i started the game it was just horrid...the game is running approximately at 20% of it's usual game speed which kills it off entirely it feels like i'm playing the game with VSync enabled all the time.
So i was hoping if i could get some feedback from you guys to inform me what i did/am doing wrong or to give your impressions on the way things are shaping up for you.
thx in advance.
Hi
Did you tried different configurations specific to the game?
Did you installed plugins?
well, different games needs different configurations and each of them works good with a specific plugin.
Here is some examples:
For Nfs Shift you only need to select "Reduce texture quality and Qualcomm plugin.
For Modern Combat: Sandstorm you have to select both "Reduce texture quality" and "Reduce texture size" and choose Qualcomm plugin.
So the best way to play a lag free game is to try different settings.
Good Luck
trust me i've installed the plugins and have all 3 updated to the newest version i have tested all possible configurations and plugins even reducing texture and size settings still i can't get the game to run at more then 20-30% of it's potential...it's kinda sad as i saw that many of you are playing games smoothly on the SG3
Try using on of g3mod OC bus kernels.
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em, could you please provide a link (with possible explanations) as i'm kinda new to this stuff, i got my SG3 a few months back and never had an android before.
this topic Must be very useful to you:
[How to]Play "HD" games on SG3 (NOVA, Shift, Asphalt5, AC, PES11 and more!)
PES 2011 working slow on every G3. You can't do anything with that but games like Nova, Nfs Shift and many others working great. You can try Psx emulator also, Fpse is the best I think and then you can play with psx games like Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, Civilization or Mortal Kombat.
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cop1976 said:
You can try Psx emulator also, Fpse is the best I think and then you can play with psx games like Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, Civilization or Mortal Kombat.
Sent from my superfast Galaxy 3
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So, overclocked processor even to 1300 Mhz doesn't provide performance in 3D games. (Neocore benchmark @ 667 Mhz - 13 FPS, Neocore benchmark @ 1200 Mhz - 14 FPS). Practically zero growth in performance of 3D.
Fpse emulator? The same situation. gran Turismo (time trial, only Your car on the track - 30-42 FPS - playable) Gran turismo (race, 6 cars - slow, not playable)
I5800 is not for games and emulation.
well, G3 is not good for 3D games, that's just how it is. There are awesome 2d games for android though. Refraction, rope cut, mx mayhem-a bit slow but fun and playable, angry birds all run fine. believe me if you had high end 3d games on g3 they would become boring in a week. better to just stick to your pc or console for real games
Hi,
I wanted to ask if someone was able to run the game smoothly on hd2 cartoon wars. Maybe someone knows how to do it? I've tried a few roms also with HWA and nothing. Chainfire 3d program did not help too.
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
Marek989 said:
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.
Luniopl said:
And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.
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I accidentally clicked thanks. Anyway, the Desire HD have Adreno 205, which have a lot more power
Hello. I have played many games on my hd2 and what i can say that modern combat series works well (even the third one), asphalt series is playble inc 7 heat but i dont like stering. You can play older gameloft games such as avatar, brothers in arms. Nova 2 and 3 are totaly unplayble. The greatets thing about adreno in our hd'2 is that you can run shadowgun and dead trigger (those two has a console graphics and they running very well). So im not totaly agreed with opinions that adreno 200 in hd2 is too weak to play games.
I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.
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I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.
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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)
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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)
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Unless you know what you're doing, you'll need to use chainfire to lower textures. It'll run good enough but not well.
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The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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You're wrong.
Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).
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Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).
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I have also played a few gameloft games including NOVA 2 which was not ideal 'cause of lagging a little but still playable. I even could start NOVA 3 but playing that was like pain in the ass. I didn't have problems with Mass Effect Infiltrator, and other games mentioned above. the only thing I still can't handle with is Dungeon Hunter 2. I wish I could play that. BTW pozdrowienia dla ziomków
I don't really like to overclock my galaxy young cause it make my galaxy young more lag.Chainfire 3D?Didn't help much for me.Please I need your guys help. Thanks in advance.
Simple answer - you can't
if you want to play games lag free in hd you need to upgrade to an armv7 phone with over 1ghz processor & alot more ram then the galaxy y has
You paid for 832MHz ARMv6 CPU and 290MB RAM.
So you can't expect performance of nVidia Tegra 3 and 2GB RAM.
But still following tricks can help you to reduce lag. (Tested working by me)
Tried on Brothers in Arms, GTA III, Gangstar WCH and Subway Surfers
1) Restart your phone, go to task manager and clear ram. (Use RAM Booster also if you wish)
2) Use Chainfire 3d (for root only), tick reduce texture size and quality, use Qualcomm plugin.
3) Odexed ROMs give better performance than deodexed. So stick to stock ROM for gaming.
4) You can use Game Booster 2 on play store (I have not tested this)
Here is the list of xouple of games i have tried on zenfone 2 and all run smoothly..i request fellow zenfone 2 users to add other games .they have tried in this thread
Asphalt 8
Nfs most wanted
Riptide gp
Riptide gp2
Nova
Modern combat 5
Dead trigger 1 and 2
Also Driver, Nova 3, and Real Racing 3
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Xcom: Enemy Unknown, Hearthstone, Age of Civilizations
Wouldn't be easier and shorter list if we listed games with problems?
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The entire point of this thread is to tell people who r planning to get this phone ...what this phone can do in game..i checked the gpu gflops and i dont think there is any game this device can't run ...it will be really helpful..if other users who use this sevice cn help increase size of.list...i have this kind of thread for almost all devices ..i just thought this device should have one.too..
F18 Carrier Landing
Warship Battle 3D
running superb
I don't know if this is an appropriate reply but I have both Drastic (NDS emulator) and PPSSPP (Sony PSP emulator) on my Zenfone 2. Both run smooth as butter, on every game I have played on it so far, even the graphics intensive ones.
Rayman Jungle Run.
All games I have tried on this phone are smooth as butter, bearing out the results of its performance on benchmark tests. My ZE550ML also has the advantage of only pushing 720p. I honestly don't believe you lose much from being "only" 720p either - I find my display to be perfectly vivid, clear and bright, and have to really look closely and strain my eyes to see any pixels. Games look beautiful.
Has.anyone here tried mortal.combat x....is it playing smooth ?
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Has.anyone here tried mortal.combat x....is it playing smooth ?
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i tried mortal combat x and it is playing smooth no problem with the gameplay
Seconded man...i also have a 720p screen. And what other might think...it actually looks good..pictures are sharp and crystal clear..gaming experience is smooth as vutter too..all credits to.its flagship class gpu
Can anyone tellme why i can't play racing rivals on my ze550ml?
Played most of the games given, the only remark i can give is some stutters (micro freeze) when playing. it happens less when i reboot the device before playing any game.
I assume this is related to the bad memory management in 550ml.
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Confirmed:
NFS No Limit
Hitman: Sniper
Rusty Hearts Heroes
In my zenfone 2 ze551ml 4gb ram 2.3ghz variant nfs most wanted is not running properly...it runs smoothly bt when any race begins screen turns black...no animation or graphics are visible....only few lights are visible like nos meter n car lights ....rest everything black....plzz tell how to run the game properly.
My email is [email protected]
Plz reply a solution
Gautam K Mishra said:
In my zenfone 2 ze551ml 4gb ram 2.3ghz variant nfs most wanted is not running properly...it runs smoothly bt when any race begins screen turns black...no animation or graphics are visible....only few lights are visible like nos meter n car lights ....rest everything black....plzz tell how to run the game properly.
My email is [email protected]
Plz reply a solution
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In my ze551ml 4gb ram 2.3ghz variant nfs most wanted work very good, without lag of grafical glitch and without black, the solutions is download the file obb by same app automatically and no manually mode
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