hello all
i dont even know how to ask…
but this is the project i would like to start:
develop an that will be able to track another phone or gps device based on phone number or some sort of imei or sn
the both devices know about each other… its not something that will run without the knowledge of this devices.
is there a way to do this?
would i need a separate server witch will receive the gps info an pass on to the other device?
Sent from my SGS2 on SB4.4.2
ripnix said:
hello all
i dont even know how to ask…
but this is the project i would like to start:
develop an that will be able to track another phone or gps device based on phone number or some sort of imei or sn
the both devices know about each other… its not something that will run without the knowledge of this devices.
is there a way to do this?
would i need a separate server witch will receive the gps info an pass on to the other device?
Sent from my SGS2 on SB4.4.2
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I think yes, you need some communication node here.
One device should send id(imei) and position to server, and second will request last position(or all previous positions) by id.
I don't know any other way that can help to archive your goal(direct connection between devices also possible, but you need server anyway )
thank you,
any other suggestions/thoughts ?
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Who can tell me what the "hackable footprint" of a "networked" WM5 device is ?
What I mean is, what ports or services are running on a networked device that I can send commands to ?
Back in the old days with windows, a fresh installed computer had about 12 ports open which enabled a variety of hack attacks.
Using S.O.T.I pocket controller (enterprise) I can see many services running. However, a portscan shows no listeners (quite normal, as there prolly ain't no IIS , SMTP or NETBIOS service running.
The question remains, what's the hackable footprint ? Where should I start to look to hack my way into a networked device ? Has it ever been attempted ?
I did find some usefull stuff here : http://www.phrack.org/phrack/63/p63-0x06_Hacking_WindowsCE.txt
I'm talking about my own device here, not someone elses. Hope I won't be banned for asking this kind of stuff.... I'm just curious.
There's another Phrack article/presentation that goes into more detail on general hacking of WM devices, linking to the post you posted. They don't discuss much network hacking, but day-to-day, there are other ways into the Windows Mobile devices...
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Hi. I am writing a freeware social networking application based on location services ( http://www.fightersoft.ro/mts/index.htm ). Although many devices are supported, it seems that the HTC TyTN isn't. To that end I acquired one and now I am on the quest on getting the cellid in my application.
The approach that should of worked was the COM port. However, no matter what COM port I open, I get a create file error. I am guessing that maybe the internal modem uses a weird port name such as COM550 or other letters instead of COM. I know that another way of getting the cellid is by using ril.dll (or even getting the handle to the gsm modem com port). However, in WM5 this is not documented at all on msdn.com - BUT for WM6 there is documentation.
Firstly, I want to ask anyone if they have extra information about this issue and secondly if by upgrading to WM6, the using the COM port approach works from the box (usually COM9)?
hi, I tryed many programs, which have actually support for cellid information, but no one work on herm, no matter if it was WM5 or WM6. on all phones, I had before it worked correctly... phone alarm also have this functionality, but shown only something like 00-00...
This is so frustrating. Every mobile device with GSM capabilities has a GSM modem insinde. That modem SHOULD be accesible from the OS by the means of COM ports. My guess is that this port is hidden or under a different name than the rest of the HTC devices where it resides on COM9.
CommMgrPro shows Cell Id and Location Area Code correctly on TyNT
I started this thread in the hopes that people will contribute with ideas towards getting this task done. Can you reveal any technical information on how you get the cellid information?
stargatesg1 said:
I started this thread in the hopes that people will contribute with ideas towards getting this task done. Can you reveal any technical information on how you get the cellid information?
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Sure. Ril.dll gives you access to this information and works properly in WM5-WM6. And technically is easier than manager serial drivers......
Documentation isnt included in WM5 so it isnt "official" but realky It is included. The only problem for "not official" issue is you wont get support from microsoft....
Ask me what you want...
stargatesg1, if you have searched the forum, you'd already have the answer. For instance, this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280476&highlight=cellid
has a reference to RIL API. And I do remember I told you this some months ago in your another thread...
Here it is:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1040464&postcount=27
It was at October 26 last year!
Basically I only need the cellid and the lac. I found that msdn.com offers documentation for ril.dll for WM6. This also works for WM5?
From what I learned from msdn.com is that I should do a ril.initialize first and then I should get the cell info using a fuction that I can't remember right now. Is this approach correct?
Lurker0, I know about this approach (I have mentioned it in my first post) however, I need more information because c++ native is not my primary envoirement for developing. That's why I kept searching for a way of getting the lac-cid from com ports so that I could do it directly from managed code.
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Basically I only need the cellid and the lac. I found that msdn.com offers documentation for ril.dll for WM6. This also works for WM5?
From what I learned from msdn.com is that I should do a ril.initialize first and then I should get the cell info using a fuction that I can't remember right now. Is this approach correct?
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Exactly. I downloaded Platform builder to have includes and libraries.
1) Initialize Ril
2.a) Request Position explicitally using a RIL_gettowerinfo
2.b) When you initializa Ril you can pass a callback to be notified upon location changes....
Did you read the source code for RIL interface that I pointed you to?
danielherrero, I see. Regarding the callback function is not neccessary in my app - the user or the app set on auto mode searches for changes in location. Thank you very much for your info.
Lurker0, yes I did, but like I said, I am not a very experienced c++ programmer and I need some documentation to get me started. I am also very greatful for your help and I am sure that I will use information from rilclass.cpp.
Thank you both, I will post back with the results as soon as I will have any.
Good luck
Hi StargateSG,
Did you succeeded in getting MTS working on Tytn?
Rgds
I had to leave the country on a business trip. I'll get back in a few days and I will start working on the problem.
danielherrero said:
CommMgrPro shows Cell Id and Location Area Code correctly on TyNT
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Does nothing on the Blue Angel.
Can anyone point me in the right direction for a bit of code to read the current CellID from a windows mobile phone? (Hermes - but I'd like to make it work on all phones if possible and release it here)
I'm trying to reimplement an application that I had on my Symbian phone that was incredibly useful and for it to work I need to read the Cell ID..
When I search I find a few app's that do it and display the info.. but that's not really what i need.. I just need to read the Cell ID itself into my code. (none of the apps i've found that do it have sources unfortunately)
TIA, Sam
You can use RIL_Initialize. .. and RIL_GetCellTowerInfo.. This is an asyncronus call .. so you'll need to implement a callback/ handler for this..
It's worth to be noted.. that i believe RIL is a restriced API .. so you'll either need to unlock your phone.. or add a trusted certificate that you sign your dll/exe with..
Hi I'm developing an application for WM that will use location. I don't think I will have too much trouble with implementing GPS but does anyone know of any information to get the devices rough location without GPS using GSM towers or however google maps 'my location' works when GPS is turned off.
Also a quick question I have an idea for what I think is a simple (not related) application and I think such a useful idea that I'm surprised it hasn't already been made. My question is if I ask about how I may go about creating the application is there any chance of someone thinking its a good idea making it themselves and somehow copy writing it so I can't make it myself?
many thanks.
Just bumping in case anyone can help.
As far as I know GSM triangulation only works when your service provider allows it, which is a rarely the case. Google uses the internet via GPRS or WLAN to estimate a user's position. So you'd have to find out how to get the node information to display it on a map.
edit: try to use IP tracing
I think Google finds your location from your CellID. Using the devices that have both GPS and Google Maps installed, it builds up a CellID database which is used to locate phones when no GPS is available.
You can do something similar by a) getting the device CellID and b) using the OpenCellID service to "translate" the CellID to a location.
Look at this:
http://dalelane.co.uk/blog/?p=241
And this:
http://www.opencellid.org/api
Also check out these threads by joubertvasc, he's using CellID and the OpenCellID APIs in his programs, and if I remember correctly they're open source, so those should help you a lot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203&highlight=cellid
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456626&highlight=cellid
ALSO! Next time please ask your question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=456
Thanks guys you have given me loads of great information to be getting on with. Sorry about posting in the wrong place didn't notice the Q&A section. Thanks again.
I tried to reverse engineer the protocol used by Live for it's location server and I posted my results here. I haven't indulged any further since things have gotten busy around here but it's a good start.
Google Maps lookup service has already been reverse engineered by a guy on code project here.
I've also looked at Fire Eagle's implementation based on wireless hotspots and it uses skyhook.
Luis Espinosa's TrackMe also queries multiple cell id databases, you can even choose which ones you want to draw from (Google, OpenID, etc). His code isn't open as far as I know but he might be willing to answer some questions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340667
you guys are great thanks so much for the links I'll be sure to upload my program here first if its any good that is.
Is there any way to use Google's location services? The code project link is down :/
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Is there any way to use Google's location services? The code project link is down :/
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No one? :/
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...=725568&page=2
badasschris said:
Thanks guys you have given me loads of great information to be getting on with. Sorry about posting in the wrong place didn't notice the Q&A section. Thanks again.
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I tried to reverse engineer the protocol used by Live for it's location server and I posted my results here. I haven't indulged any further since things have gotten busy around here but it's a good start.
Google Maps lookup service has already been reverse engineered by a guy on code project here.
I've also looked at Fire Eagle's implementation based on wireless hotspots and it uses skyhook.
Hi everyone,
I will be a little paranoid over here so don't take it hard on me =)
I've been using a i-mate k-jam for a long time and switched to touch hd on january. Interestingly the biggest similarity and annoyance for me was the softwares pre-installed to download some sort of data over internet and bugging every week to download new signatures/data and bugging even more if you fail to download.
eTrust found out to be useless and I can't really pinpoint why most handheld GPS devices doesn't really require to update this kind of information (Please correct if I'm wrong).
We might assume the transaction is a simple wget/http download which wouldn't carry any other information to the other party that someone from that IP downloaded something. But if there is a handshaking or at least some kind of a http post is inplace, it could be also sending a unique device idea which would let the guys in Taiwan track our devices our a map.
As I said I'm just being paranoid and making almost a conspiracy theory here but still the possibility exists.
So how can we be sure they are not sending any information out?
We can set up a proxy and mirror incoming traffic from a source ip (phones ip) and dump it with wireshark. Then we will need to define the proxy on our phone and click download.
Is there a wireshark/ethereal kind of packet capture software which can run on these devices? It could ease the job.
Reverse engineering the code? Not experienced in that but It should be quite small when the you think the job it supposed to do.
Any comments, thoughts, help, information - greatly appreciated.
BR, Kaya
You can disable Quick GPS if you want because it isn't necessary for the GPS.
It just speeds up the process of finding satellites.
why don't you just use a nokia 3210? that way you should be pretty safe lolol
philocritus said:
why don't you just use a nokia 3210? that way you should be pretty safe lolol
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Only if you leave BT off JK
I've sort of resigned myself to the fact that using a smartphone exposes someone to a lot of security gaps. The best advice is to keep your bluetooth off / in hidden mode, as this is one of the easiest ways to get at your handheld's data. Moving up the paranoia scale, you can use that NoData program to disable your data connection except for when you really need at - that will prevent most third-party programs from dialing home. And if you're really worried about being tracked, I'd recommend just shutting off your phone when you have something private to do.