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Will the Xoom have full HDMI out?

I don't know if this can be answered yet or not, but I thought I would put it out there.
The Notion Ink Adam has HDMI out, and it outputs the entire screen via HDMI. From dashboard and internet to games and videos, it's all output via HDMI with apparently good audio to boot!
Anyone know if the Xoom is going to be the same? Or is it going to be like my HTC EVO and only output the gallery & YouTube via HDMI?
Might be a small detail, but it's a decider for me. I can really see the advantage of having full HDMI out.
I doubt it's a feature that can be enabled afterwards either, since people have been working on it for about 7 months on the EVO without much success.
This may be something that has to wait until release, but I thought I would check. Someone, somewhere may have mentioned it and I'm just not finding it.

The only official word I've seen is from Moto's press release, which states:
"It allows consumers to experience HD content right on the device, supports 1080p HD video and HDMI output to display content on larger HD screens, and plays video and other rich web content seamlessly with Adobe® Flash® Player."
Doesn't say if the full UI will be output, though that's probably more of a question for Honeycomb in general than the Xoom itself. Frankly, I'd be surprised if the full UI wasn't output natively in Honeycomb - it's such an obvious feature.

Haven't you seen the Google demos? How do you think they show of the interface on a beamer?

Bonuman said:
Haven't you seen the Google demos? How do you think they show of the interface on a beamer?
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What's on stage and what's in retail stores are often very different.
Besides, I thought there was some copy write issue or something regarding HDMI output? Why else would it be disabled for everything except 2 apps on the HTC EVO?

+1 What's shown in a demo can rarely be counted on to be seen in a store. Nothing's set in stone until it's in your hands.
I've wondered about the HDMI-out on the EVO. Maybe it has something to do with that old frame-cap, or perhaps an actual hardware limitation.

Sirchuk said:
Besides, I thought there was some copy write issue or something regarding HDMI output? Why else would it be disabled for everything except 2 apps on the HTC EVO?
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If HDMI is properly implemented, it is using HDCP between source (the phone) and sink (the display) which gives an encrypted path for any content that is flagged as requiring this path (i.e. copy protected).
From a practical perspective, clear transmission of HDMI is difficult to capture because of the bandwidth required for HD sources. It's getting more practical with the advent of high throughput SSD devices but it's very expensive to put together a system to capture it.
I can't speak to specifics of the EVO -- I have yet to hook it up to a display.

It would support full HDMI out as all tegra2 devices I have seen so far supports that.
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Can someone help me understand the draw of having an HDMI port on a phone or tablet? I can't fathom many uses for that sort of thing. I suppose it'd be nice to have in the rare event I wanted to show some pictures off on the big screen at a family gathering or something, but I just can't imagine too many situations where it would come in handy.

I think hdmi on a portable device is is good for playing hd movies. Download a movie to your pc, transfer to your device, and connect hdmi. More convenient than burning a dvd
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More and more hotels have hd tv's, plugging your tablet in to watch a movie would be awesome.
Same goes for displaying a presentation at work, or a spreadsheet.
Browsing the internet, playing games, etc.
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it does support full hdmi out i was watching a ces video about the xoom on youtube last night that showed and answered this question

Every time that I’ve seen it discussed, the reps mention full HDMI “mirror mode”. Several expanded upon that to say that “whatever you see on the tablet, you’d see on the tv”. Granted these videos were primarily from CES and I got the impression that each of the people I saw talk weren’t terribly confident about what they were saying.
Also, just scavenged the following:
Ok…apparently I can’t post links yet, so this is gonna be tricky:
Motorola Rep at 1:08 into the video, talks about mirror mode
Search you tube for "ud8r7Mo8af4".
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“It also has a mirror-mode option, in which whatever you see on the screen – video, Web pages, apps, etven the entire user interface – is literally mirrored onto your HDTV, meaning you can play Angry Birds in full 55″ HD!”
-mobilementalism.com (search bing for Mobilementalism.com xoom hype, first hit)
Despite folks throwing around this "mirror mode" term, it wouldnt surprise me if it didnt work that way once we get them... but there seems to be enough to hold out hope.

i will add this question to "for those on the borderline, what do you want to know" thread

[INFO] My first impressions... Not Good.

When unboxing I was very excited. I liked the color, the size, the feel and the build quality. I didn't mind the weight either.
Turned it on and was immediately impressed with the screen quality and the snappiness of the OS and preinstalled apps. I immediately checked for latest updates and downloaded flash 10.3.
The good things really stop there. I'm willing to give it another shot if someone can point out some resolutions for the following issues I’m about to point out.
1. I was unable to install some apps. Stating device is not supported. (Example, Slacker Radio, Pinger TextFree and etc...) I thought all android apps were compatibly with Honeycomb? I just thought the cell phone version just upscaled and other apps were optimized for Honeycomb. Boy I was wrong.
2. Video playback was very choppy on most of my files. The files I was trying to play were only 720p m4v files for the iPhone/iPad. I tried 4 different media player apps (Mobi, rockplayer, default player and another I can't think of write now) and all were jerky. The same file can be played smoothly using my Nokia N8 phone with a 680mhz single core cpu. By the way I was using the default Nokia video player app. I thought this device has a 1ghz dual cpu with a Tegra 2 gpu? It’s marketed to play 1080p. What the deal? And the solution to encode with like dvd rip like settings is not really a solution is it? More like a work around too me. There was an extreme lag too when trying to back out of the app.
3. YouTube app was much hit and misses too. More misses then hits. The first time i tried to play a video, it just stayed there with a spinning indicator. Waited for 10 minutes and the video never played. Tried again, played for a little bit then stopped. Tried again and got a force close. Launched and tried again, and a force close again. I gave up at that point. How could Google not QA their own app? I'm not talking about any app, but there main app "YOUTUBE" that gets about a millions of views a day. That's like internet explorer not working on a freshly loaded windows box.
4. How in the hell do I see my pictures in the SD CARD in keyboard slot to show up in the photo gallery? I have a Pictures Folder on the root of my SD Card and loaded it with jpg's and the gallery does not see them. I could not find any settings to add a folder for my SD Card. I can go to the file manager and open them one by one but this is just a ghetto way to look at your pictures. No way to do slideshow. So I went on the market looking for another app. I found QuickPic. Now I can add a directory. But guess what? I cannot see /Removable. Total BS.
5. The crashes. I've only used this device for 3 hours and already I've experienced 5 Force closes. 3 in YouTube and two while in the Market.
6. Other small annoyances I've found were: Clouding issues. I can clearly see it during a movie with the black bars on top and bottom. No task manager to exit or close apps without having to add an app. No Ad-Hoc networking support. I could not see my Wi-Fi hotspot on my Nokia N8 phone. The iPhone, iPad, Nokia Phones and laptops sees them no problem. The touchpad gets in the way while typing. I had to disable it to actually type a paragraph. The browser, I could not find a way to click a link to view full html for Facebook and other websites. Using the same "Opera" Browser on my Nokia N8 phone I have the option to view in full.
Issues in number six I can live with but 1-5, definitely not. I really do believe that the OS was rushed out the door too soon. I also believe Asus has very little to do with it. I am a professional hardware/software QA engineer and I think it should have been cooking in the oven for another 6 more months. I was a first adopter of symbian^3 and too think is was rushed out a couple of months early, but the experience was no way nearly as bad as what I experienced with Honeycomb. I didn't experience a single crash on Symbian^3 until a couple of week later I've owned it. With Honeycomb, a few minutes.

Yes, these are all Honeycomb issues, and you'll see the same with any other tablet running the OS (I went through it all with Xoom).
Let's wait for 3.1 (mid-June, per Asus).

Welcome to Honeycomb
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to be fair, video playback stuttering on 720p is a tegra 2 hardware issue that won't be fixed by a software update. in order for it to play smoothly you would need to re-encode whatever you're gonna put on the device

What version firmware are you running?

most of these are honeycomb issues..can't really fault ASUS or the TF for them...
the compatibility issue is subject to each app's own developer to address.. I suspect the honeycomb support will become eventually..
video playback has been discussed extensively everywhere.... as of now..Tegra 2 on honeycomb can only hard-decode main profile h264 (either 720p or 1080p)..I don't find the quality is massively different between main profile and high profile..but I agree it's a pain to re-encode all file to main profile if you have a huge library..

to be fair, video playback stuttering on 720p is a tegra 2 hardware issue that won't be fixed by a software update. in order for it to play smoothly you would need to re-encode whatever you're gonna put on the device
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I can easily play 720p h264 [email protected] videos on my Viewsonic Gtablet which was released last year on Tegra2 SOC. That's maximum it can get. Transformer fails to repeat this. Tegra2 is pretty weak hardware, but should be able to decode this. I hope it will be fixed in Honeycomb 3.1
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ivan.volosyuk said:
I can easily play 720p h264 [email protected] videos on my Viewsonic Gtablet which was released last year on Tegra2 SOC. That's maximum it can get. Transformer fails to repeat this. Tegra2 is pretty weak hardware, but should be able to decode this. I hope it will be fixed in Honeycomb 3.1
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yea, from my understanding 720p h264 [email protected] is the max tegra 2 can handle. if the transformer is having trouble with it then dunno

Youtube for now works better in the browser, 3.1 should fix this. Besides that you can tether your N8 by using the Wpa_supplicant file in the dev section.
Personally I have rarely found apps that wont work so can't help there.
Videos need to be re encoded, for an easy guide search handbrake guide within these forums, it's posted by Buri73.
No idea about SD card in dock either since I don't use the dock slot.

thaddyusmaximus said:
I was unable to install some apps. Stating device is not supported. (Example, Slacker Radio, Pinger TextFree and etc...) I thought all android apps were compatibly with Honeycomb? I just thought the cell phone version just upscaled and other apps were optimized for Honeycomb. Boy I was wrong.
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Devs are free to exclude their app from large screen devices when they upload to the market, that is their choice.
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2. Video playback was very choppy on most of my files. The files I was trying to play were only 720p m4v files for the iPhone/iPad. I tried 4 different media player apps (Mobi, rockplayer, default player and another I can't think of write now) and all were jerky. The same file can be played smoothly using my Nokia N8 phone with a 680mhz single core cpu. By the way I was using the default Nokia video player app. I thought this device has a 1ghz dual cpu with a Tegra 2 gpu? It’s marketed to play 1080p. What the deal? And the solution to encode with like dvd rip like settings is not really a solution is it? More like a work around too me. There was an extreme lag too when trying to back out of the app.
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AOSP android has no MKV container support, Some OEMs may add support (Like Samsung) but the only way to decode MKV containers is with pure software rendering (E.G. Rockplayer Moboplayer) but software rendering on a 1ghz cpu will _never_ play HD h.264 well
Specs for The current crop of Tegra2 Honeycomb tablets are up to 1080p h.264 baseline-profile only mp4 container only + stereo aac
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3. YouTube app was much hit and misses too. More misses then hits. The first time i tried to play a video, it just stayed there with a spinning indicator. Waited for 10 minutes and the video never played. Tried again, played for a little bit then stopped. Tried again and got a force close. Launched and tried again, and a force close again. I gave up at that point. How could Google not QA their own app? I'm not talking about any app, but there main app "YOUTUBE" that gets about a millions of views a day. That's like internet explorer not working on a freshly loaded windows box.
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I do not have this problem
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4. How in the hell do I see my pictures in the SD CARD in keyboard slot to show up in the photo gallery? I have a Pictures Folder on the root of my SD Card and loaded it with jpg's and the gallery does not see them. I could not find any settings to add a folder for my SD Card. I can go to the file manager and open them one by one but this is just a ghetto way to look at your pictures. No way to do slideshow. So I went on the market looking for another app. I found QuickPic. Now I can add a directory. But guess what? I cannot see /Removable. Total BS.
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The mount point for the MicroSD was added by ASUS, the built in google app are not aware of this mount point's existance. Feel free to complain to ASUS. This is why the Xoom shipped with a disabled MicroSD-card slot
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5. The crashes. I've only used this device for 3 hours and already I've experienced 5 Force closes. 3 in YouTube and two while in the Market.
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I do not get the frequency of crashes you do, but those few I do I expect to clear up with the 3.1, there is no debate that Honeycomb was rushed out of the door.
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No task manager to exit or close apps without having to add an app.
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Android does not need a task manager, if you insist on force-terminating an app go to setting->Applications->manage applications->running
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No Ad-Hoc networking support. I could not see my Wi-Fi hotspot on my Nokia N8 phone. The iPhone, iPad, Nokia Phones and laptops sees them no problem.
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I use Bluetooth PAN, it's easier on the battery. But then again my phone does infrastructure tethering.
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The touchpad gets in the way while typing. I had to disable it to actually type a paragraph.
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Surely this is no different than any other netbook?
thaddyusmaximus said:
The browser, I could not find a way to click a link to view full html for Facebook and other websites. Using the same "Opera" Browser on my Nokia N8 phone I have the option to view in full.
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Settings->advanced->user agent

Welcome to the wonderful world of Early Adoption
As above, I've had no particular problem with video playback, I've used Aura to rip some DVDs using the Xoom presets and they all run pretty fine (some very slight a/v sync issues maybe, but equally that could be my imagination looking for problems that arent there). I can't comment too much on the 720p / 1080p playback issue as I bought the tablet largely as a device for watching movies on the move rather than plugging into a TV and I don't think I'll see too much of a difference between 720 and 1080 on the TF's screen.
Otherwise, as others have said before, I'd like to think the majority of wrinkles will be ironed out with HC3.1. One thing to bear in mind: it's not like we're playing with a new tech running an established OS, or an established tech running a new OS. For better or worse we're running a new (and largely beta-plus) OS on new tech. This is the New World, Android-wise, so I guess we have to expect problems to begin with at least. And hell, at least we have working microSD slots

When did Internet Explorer worked properly? XD

AOSP android has no MKV container support, Some OEMs may add support (Like Samsung) but the only way to decode MKV containers is with pure software rendering (E.G. Rockplayer Moboplayer) but software rendering on a 1ghz cpu will _never_ play HD h.264 well
Specs for The current crop of Tegra2 Honeycomb tablets are up to 1080p h.264 baseline-profile only mp4 container only + stereo aac
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While this is all true, the OP was talking about m4v container, not MKV. I have a 720p rip of Ninja Assassin in h264 and m4v container and it plays smooth on iPad 2 but choppy on the TF (I had to rename it to mp4 for the TF to recognize it and no renaming has nothing to do with playback as m4v and mp4 are interchangeable like that).

songmeesay said:
While this is all true, the OP was talking about m4v container, not MKV. I have a 720p rip of Ninja Assassin in h264 and m4v container and it plays smooth on iPad 2 but choppy on the TF (I had to rename it to mp4 for the TF to recognize it and no renaming has nothing to do with playback as m4v and mp4 are interchangeable like that).
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Good point, my mistake. So if you run MP4Box -info on the file what do you get?
( http://www.videohelp.com/tools/mp4box )

Looks like it's h264/avc [email protected]

songmeesay said:
While this is all true, the OP was talking about m4v container, not MKV. I have a 720p rip of Ninja Assassin in h264 and m4v container and it plays smooth on iPad 2 but choppy on the TF (I had to rename it to mp4 for the TF to recognize it and no renaming has nothing to do with playback as m4v and mp4 are interchangeable like that).
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Yes that's my point. Other devices like iPad and Nokia Phones can play these files. I only want to encode once where its a decent quality on my phone, pc, ipad and TF.

Munszu said:
When did Internet Explorer worked properly? XD
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True but when accessing web outlook IE is king.

monkeyboy451 said:
What version firmware are you running?
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The firmware version is 8.2.3.9.

Maybe you should update? 8.2.3.13 has been out for a while now.

Now i'm noticing I have to reboot the device when to transferring files from Full Sized SD Card to internal memory after coming out of standby mode.

[Q] Mojo/netflix

Anyone experience audio lag when watching netflix on mojo?
It's not horrible but enough to notice.
Is it the tegra lacking or my wifi connection?

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Anyone experience audio lag when watching netflix on mojo?
It's not horrible but enough to notice.
Is it the tegra lacking or my wifi connection?
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I notice audio lag and horrible picture quality. I wish Netflix would stream in HD to mobile devices capable of HD.

ExtremeRyno said:
I notice audio lag and horrible picture quality. I wish Netflix would stream in HD to mobile devices capable of HD.
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I get HD picture from netflix with no problem on my mojo.
My audio lag must be a wifi issue.
I will try netflix tonight with the Ethernet plugged in.

You can try out one of these versions with HD/SuperHD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305091
Let us know how you fair.

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You can try out one of these versions with HD/SuperHD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305091
Let us know how you fair.
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Tried this last week. It gives an error message saying to upgrade to the new version right when you sign in. I was disappoint.
So far no one has taken the torch and tried to hack the latest versions to gain the extra bitrate. I'm certainly not getting HD output from my Netflix. Looks completely crap compared to what I get from our "Smart TV." I really want this think to be my go-to media center. Without quality Netflix, it's not cutting it. However I'm streaming HD from YouTube just fine. Love MovieTube 3.1.

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Tried this last week. It gives an error message saying to upgrade to the new version right when you sign in. I was disappoint.
So far no one has taken the torch and tried to hack the latest versions to gain the extra bitrate. I'm certainly not getting HD output from my Netflix. Looks completely crap compared to what I get from our "Smart TV." I really want this think to be my go-to media center. Without quality Netflix, it's not cutting it. However I'm streaming HD from YouTube just fine. Love MovieTube 3.1.
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I believe HD is only supported with 4.3+ I recall reading that somewhere.

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I believe HD is only supported with 4.3+ I recall reading that somewhere.
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I reset my wifi connection at the modem. Getting full bars on mojo. Watching netflix, hd, perfect audio.
Using the netflix app that came on mojo.
Perfect everything!
Flawless.
It was just my crap wifi connection causing problems.

Mojorising said:
I reset my wifi connection at the modem. Getting full bars on mojo. Watching netflix, hd, perfect audio.
Using the netflix app that came on mojo.
Perfect everything!
Flawless.
It was just my crap wifi connection causing problems.
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You're not getting 1080p.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/24/netflix-android43-1080p-video/

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You're not getting 1080p.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/24/netflix-android43-1080p-video/
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That link is from five months ago.
Granted mojo runs 4.2.2-
If your saying it will get better with the kitbag update- then I'm a happy camper.

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That link is from five months ago.
Granted mojo runs 4.2.2-
If your saying it will get better with the kitbag update- then I'm a happy camper.
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Yea until you get KitKat or 4.3 jb, you're not getting 1080p.

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You can try out one of these versions with HD/SuperHD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305091
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I've tried all the 'hacked' versions listed with no real success. Still experiencing a definite audio sync issue. Why is this? Any bonafide solution pending?

ExtremeRyno said:
Tried this last week. It gives an error message saying to upgrade to the new version right when you sign in. I was disappoint.
So far no one has taken the torch and tried to hack the latest versions to gain the extra bitrate. I'm certainly not getting HD output from my Netflix. Looks completely crap compared to what I get from our "Smart TV." I really want this think to be my go-to media center. Without quality Netflix, it's not cutting it. However I'm streaming HD from YouTube just fine. Love MovieTube 3.1.
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Is this true will all output?
Do we at least get 1080p with other apps at least? Or is this a 4.2.2. limitation?

Pleiades7 said:
Is this true will all output?
Do we at least get 1080p with other apps at least? Or is this a 4.2.2. limitation?
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You get 1080p with other apps, and the default res on the Mojo is 1080p (so if you just have it at the Android homescreen you have 1080p signal).

NVIDIA SHIELD CONSOLE? Android TV SuperComputer Cloud Gaming? WOW

EDIT: Can everyone who visits this thread please take the time to do a official request for adding the SHIELD Console forums? Just visit the below thread and put in your request please. Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
ORIGINAL POST:
Is this a new device coming out this Summer? I don't even see a section at XDA for it, or any mention of it here in these Shield threads, yet its based on Android TV and the Tegra X1, with the below specs. I'm in the market for a Android TV, so this interests me.
http://shield.nvidia.com/
http://shield.nvidia.com/console
Specifications:
Processor NVIDIA® Tegra® X1 processor
256-core Maxwell™ GPU with 3GB RAM
Video Features 4K Ultra-HD ready with 4K playback and capture up to 60 fps (VP9, H265, H264)
Audio 7.1 and 5.1 surround sound pass through over HDMI
High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
High-resolution audio up-sample to 24-bit/192 kHz over USB
Storage* 16 GB
Wireless 802.11ac 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.1/BLE
Interfaces Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0
Two USB 3.0 (Type A)
Micro-USB 2.0
MicroSD slot
IR Receiver (compatible with Logitech Harmony)
Software Updates SHIELD software upgrades directly from NVIDIA
Gaming Features NVIDIA GRID™ game streaming service
NVIDIA Share
NVIDIA GameStream™
Power 40 W power adapter
Weight and Size Weight: 23 oz / 654 g
Height: 5.1 in / 130 mm
Width: 8.3 in / 210 mm
Depth: 1.0 in / 25 mm
Operating System Android TV™, Google Cast™ Ready
Included Apps = PLEX

It is a new android TV console made by Nvidia. The Cpu/GPU is the latest tegra X1 that is insanely fast! Much faster than Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 7.
Release date is in may and will cost 199$

Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines

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Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines
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Games like Crysis 3 will run natively on it (not in the cloud).
(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.

ryocoon said:
Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.
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I'm more interested what it will eventually do for media myself. And it MUST be rootable for me to even consider it as an option. The specs, at least for the Android world are nothing short of brilliant. However, again I want media apps mainly, such as Kodi, Plex, Netflix playback and casting to be flawless. For now the Nexus Player still turns me on more even with it being wifi only. However, If the NVIDIA Console becomes rootable with FULL custom Android ROM's I am going to change my mind in a heartbeat though, haha.

Considering that all of the nVidia devices to date have been extremely easy to unlock and root, I'm going to say that, yeah, it is mostly likely going to be root-able. Whether it can handle Kodi/Plex/Netflix/Etc at 4K is up to those developers. I know NetFlix has 4K content, but I'm not sure how they differentiate and enable it to be honest.
I have the Nexus Player, and I honestly feel a bit like a chump for getting it and so soon this device is announced. I can always use it in another room or something though.
The big rub with Android TV so far is that the default UI, the LeanBack Launcher, will not display some apps unless they declare themselves as leanback capable (which includes some XML, an art asset or two for different shape/size icons, navigation by controller/keys, and search-ability in some cases). This is a problem I've run into on my Nexus Player. Now, nVidia may snub the LeanBack launcher and may integrate some LeanBack function into their nVidia Hub (like on the Shield Tablet and Shield Portable) which recognizes dozens of media apps, games, and some other things and has a launcher in its own UI. However, if apps make themselves noted for LeanBack, they show up fine on the normal AndroidTV interface. What is better, if they include search, then you can voice search for titles in media apps, and if it includes some sort of rating or recommendation feature (like Hulu or YouTube) they can integrate that and you can get recommendations of what to watch directly in your launcher UI on the top row. Less important for games, maybe important for Game discovery, but definitely an interesting thing for the media watchers amongst us. I doubt recommendation would work on something like Plex, and KODI is its own UI entirely, skipping LeanBack or even nVidia hub (to be honest, I've never been a fan of XBMC's UI, and Kodi hasn't won me over yet either... too fidgety and I can't trust a 'normal' person to be able to understand and operate it). Like I stated above, the machine has the horsepower, but it will be up to app developers to show up with a "flawless" app that will work on it well.
Casting works pretty damn well on my Nexus Player, so I bet with MIMO capable AC spec WiFi, and also ethernet inclusion, you will get pretty damn good casting from Chromecast apps, as that is built into AndroidTV's OS.
Mind you a lot of this is based upon speculation on specs, existing hardware, and my knowledge of the AndroidTV OS and how it functions. Your mileage may vary, terms and conditions subject to actual reality upon device launch.

Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.

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Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.
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I'm still waiting for this device. Hopefully it's better than the garbage that the Razer Forge TV was. The mods and such at the nVidia forums still say it's coming out in may. The Forge didn't release with Netflix, and there might be a chance the same will happen with the Nvidia Shield Android TV, but I'd be ok with Nvidia as they're going to have 4k display support for netflix.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...blet/nvidia-shield-tv-console-release-date/2/

I just got an email from NVIDIA saying its almost here. It starts out saying the wait is over, but then goes on to say its still not available and that they are giving away one Shield Console everyday until it is available to the public. I hate emails that start off telling you the wait is over but then asks you to wait some more, lol...

Its out!
Although only can see USA and Canada
$199.99 for 16GB
$299.99 for 500GB
http://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv

I'm not personally too interested in the gaming aspects but that amount of GPU power will prove very, very interesting. My main hope is that somebody can produce a minimal linux install for HTPC with Kodi and mpv builds, or perhaps just a release of Debian.
This device is the perfect low-cost HTPC. It should have more than sufficient CPU power for 10-bit h.264 and h.265 decode as well as sufficient compute power on the GPU side for EWA-type resamplers for chroma and image. I'm given to understand the X1 has full desktop opengl compatibility so it ought to be fully compatible with mpv (though I'm unsure of the state of the ARM builds).
The denver CPU should be more than enough to handle metadata crawling and the likes via Kodi in a non-sluggish fashion too. Christ, this device needs more videophile attention...

Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.

Just ordered mine from Amazon US to be delivered to the UK next week by expedited delivery. What an absolute beast of a machine.

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Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.
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me too!
returning my fire tv to them for a full refund, and getting this
this will be great to stream my pc to the tv so i can play games like witcher 3 in full 4k 50" vs 1080p 24"
and all the other stuff it does

Full review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review

Shield Console Rooting Experience Thus Far...
Got mine this afternoon and after futzing a bit, tried to root it. It came with developer mode already enabled, one hassle for me is that rebooting to fastboot makes the screen blank so I had to fly blind to oem unlock. So, I've got an unlocked system at the moment, but Super SU is still not working because their is no su on the device. Anyone make it any further than me? I also went ahead and cracked it open to see if there were obvious serial port connection points. Looks like there's a nice spot for a laptop hard drive that is probably populated in the Pro model.
I'm going to look into building my own kernel + ramdisk to try and get the necessary tools in place so SuperSU can work, but I'm a bit worried that the screen isn't going to work and so I'll essentially be flying blind through the whole process.

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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?

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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Yeah no SATA connector but there is an option in the settings to install all apps to an external hdd or micro sd card anyways
PS. Anyone know if this will be getting a dedicated XDA Forum? I'll probably be picking one up soon

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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Hard to tell for sure, looks like there might be solder points for it, but no header. I've got the 500GB on order, will post the diffs when it arrives.

UHD section on Amazon disappears after few seconds in Germany. Any Ideas?

Hello everybody,
I bought the SHIELD 2017 one week ago and am still not able to stream UHD on the included Amazon-App. I am living in Germany and am having a German Amazon account.
The strange part is, that the UHD section in the App is visible for a few seconds after the App starts, but when I start moving through the menu it disappears.
As if it would check for something and then reload the menu structure. I already wiped the app data and logged in again, but the behavior stays.
Of course I am a Prime customer and have no troubles to use UHD on a Smart-App of my LG UHD screen, although it is a very slow and sluggish experience.
My SHIELD is not modified in any way. Just HumbleBundle app was sideloaded.
Has anyone noticed something like that happen to them? Any ideas what might cause it?
The whole point of my SHIELD purchase was to have UHD streaming, duh...

Well I haven't got an Amazon Prime Sub, but I do have an Amazon account, and a 4k TV. The only oddity I ran into after yesterday's Update was that everything was locked into a FastForward Mode. Apparently a known Bug on non-Fire Devices. (e.g. the PS4), the trick it seemed was to do a hard reset. (i.e. Cycling the Power), afterwards it was working just fine.
Just outta interest how fast is your Line? UHD likely, wants a real phat Pipe even my 5Mb Down 1Mb Up just feels just capable of it, with the intermittent drop, or skip. So if you had anything slower than that, it could explain why it's disappearing for you.

I've 64 Mbit down and 5 Mbit up. Enough for everything I was throwing at it. Streaming games with Nvidia Now in full quality runs very smooth, even when I am using the connection simultaneously for other things.

So I talked to the German Amazon support...
The friendly lady assured me that Amazon Germany is not streaming UHD on other Devices than:
Amazon Fire TV (2. Gen)
Samsung Ultra HD-TVs starting from 2014
Sony Ultra HD-TVs starting from 2014
LG Ultra HD-TVs starting from 2014
Sadly German Amazon is slow to implement features of its bigger brother on the other side.
Am I the only one in Germany who bought it?