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Dell announced today that is has stopped making the Venue and Venue Pro.
Wonder what is next for Dell.
Complete and total bankruptcy couldn't happen to a better company!
There is no "next" for Dell. They don't know how to market or support their phones. I have owned every single one of them except for Aero and will never buy another Dell phone, ever.
Do you still have your aero?
(Edit: read it wrong)
I have every 2nd gen device and 1/2 of the 3rd gen ones.
The 1st gen ones arent easy to get as the aero was the only one released outside china.
The only releaseable device left is the StreakPro as the Streak10 is obsolete as a new device release.
Looks like Dell's web site is not selling Dell Venue now either.
Wow I guess this means we own an obsolete phone with no compass. Atleast the many of the other aspects of Windows Phone still make it appealing along with the keyboard.
i think the more important question for those who still have warranty left: what can you/dell do when your DVP has a problem?
The problem of dell aren´t their phones... i think, DVP is the most attractive windows phone... they don´t work together with the providers, only sell over their website or shops. And another big mistake is, that they require so high shipping costs... the shipping for the DVP are 29 €/ 38 $ in Germany... really inadequate. Normally it´s around 6 €/ 8 $.
Here you have to go a long way, before you find this device. There are many phones with less quality, but you can see them on every poster, in the tv and in many shops. They only have to do a better marketing and the phones would be sold.
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i think the more important question for those who still have warranty left: what can you/dell do when your DVP has a problem?
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Oh I should hope Dell will support any outstanding warranties because its good business for repeat customers. It will be interesting to see in reality what comes of it. What I can't understand is they have an almost outstanding phone why they want to get out of it? Certainly better audio quality that the 3 Titans I had my hands on.
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Oh I should hope Dell will support any outstanding warranties because its good business for repeat customers.
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This is generally how most companies work, they'll support outstanding ones until they all expire (unless it's like HP and the touchpad where they basically shut everything down)
They'll have some leftover new devices and once those run out will offer refurbs and finally offer credit or something when even the refurbs run out. That's basically what they did when the streak5 and 7 stopped being sold.
There's no reason to not think this since the VP is EOLing because it's a year old now (and excluding the fact WP7 is always a year behind on top of that), it's internals are old enough that it realistically shouldnt be sold any more. (WP7 launched with 1st gen snapdragons around when 2nd gen ones were starting to roll out, 4th gen ones are starting to roll out now so yea)
The V/VP were one of the last (non-bottom end) devices still being manufactured with S1's, the fabs/everyone involved are likely happy they can finally stop manufacturing them and make something newer (or they stopped and dell soaked up the last of the stock or whatever)
Also, there's probably around 20,000 DVPs inside Dell itself in use by employees.
http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/su...es-blackberries-windows-phone-handsets-141361
I'm sure Dell would have thought about spares / warranties etc.
If Dell now sees itself as focused on Enterprise IT rather than consumers, I wonder whether they might release some WP8 devices. An updated VP and smaller device using the leaked Blackberry-like chassis might appeal to business users.
Dell has demonistrated that it's definitely capable of turning it's devices into business devices. But just the same who knows if they'll follow though or half-ass it as they've consistantly shown.
Supporting facts:
S5 and V are DISA certified so the US military can use them (dunno if they actually do though, but it's the first ones to do so and the only ones still(?))
S10 and SP have Dell divide integrated into the roms, which pretty much targets business users
Dell internally uses VP's as their business phone (like mentioned)
Dell JUST RELEASED the V in japan a couple months back as a business phone with an associated business carrier
If Dell had an organized and focused strategy, they could be a legimiate threat to blackberry.
As BB is stereotypically shown as being:
Very strong enterprise support (mainly due to BBM)
Good hardware keypads
Not much besides that
The V/VP/SP/S10 (hell if you toss in the Latitude ST and installed win8 on it) gives dell potentially a complete ecosystem of mobile devices and pure tablets that COULD be worth using as enterprise level devices.
None of them (bar the SP, and possibly the S10 for a little longer) are based on the latest hardware, given the way they're used that's not really relevent, they only need as fast as devices as whatever their use demands. Sure they could play games and stuff but that's not really the point.
Not that I expect much out of dell, they've consistantly demonstrated that they put in near minimal effort on the software side of their devices. Bar how easily the keys on the VP stop working, the HW on dell devices is pretty good in build quality.
Dell's obviously already a huge company in enterprise markets with their PCs and everything (at least in workstations it's almost universally dell's where I am), so it's not like it's a new market for them. The mobility division is pretty much just a pet project in comparison to the rest of the company.
I am looking forward to seeing the new Dell phones that come out late 2012.
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I am looking forward to seeing the new Dell phones that come out late 2012.
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Dell hasnt leaked/have someone leak their 2012 roadmap yet. If they do have anything in the works we at this point have no idea about it.
They've canceled the majority of their Q411 and Q112 devices and already released the rest.
I went down to the local Sprint store around noon to check out the HTC One today. There were only a couple of people in the store. There was a very plain white banner and one silver HTC One for display. Next to the One was an EVO 4G LTE. I was able to walk right over and play with the device. A sales rep came over after a couple of minutes and asked if I have any questions. His knowledge on the phone was limited and we even had a hard time finding some music or getting the internet connection to pick up You Tube so I could check out the speakers. Eventually another shopper came in who was interested in the phone and was considering the HTC One, Note 2 or less likely a the GS4. I asked the rep if they had a lot of people come in and buy the phone. He said they had sold 2.
This isn't exactly a great launch for a company that is heavily relying on the success of one product. Besides checking the latest phone sites, I haven't heard or seen anything from HTC that they are launching their new flagship. There wasn't a long line of excited fanboys waiting to get their hands on the latest and greatest HTC phone. I would consider myself a fan of HTC. I believe they have a superior build quality and I enjoy the love it or hate it Sense. I would like to see HTC thrive in this competitive market.
I am sure a lot of you on this site have either run out to your local Sprint or Best Buy to either check out or buy your HTC One. What was your experience like? Was there a long line or crowd giddy with excitement or has launch day been somewhat of a dud?
Here is some information that will fuel the rumors: I asked the rep if they had a black One in stock. He said that they aren't available at this time. When it does come in, it will only be available in 64 gig. I told him I thought AT&T had exclusivity on the 64 gig model. He said that the exclusivity is only for a short time, and they are waiting to launch it on Sprint. He wasn't sure if the Silver would be available in 64 gig. Take this information with a grain of salt since you are first reading this on the internet and it came from a Sprint employee.
Sounds viable enough though, since exclusivity on stuff like that is usually not a permanent thing.
And even if your local sprint store hasn't sold many Ones, I'm pretty confident this will be the best selling HTC ever. If it will save HTC or not I have no clue about though.
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ttown said:
I am sure a lot of you on this site have either run out to your local Sprint or Best Buy to either check out or buy your HTC One. What was your experience like? Was there a long line or crowd giddy with excitement or has launch day been somewhat of a dud?
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In the U.S., because of subsidization, there's really no launch "day" as people tend to get a new phone when their contract permits. The masses also aren't as passionate as we are about new mobile devices. As for in-store activities, co-op advertising (Sprint<>HTC), and how devices are featured in-store those are all things that the manufacturers pay for. HTC seems to be doing more for the One this year (maybe because it's unmolested on three carriers) than last year on TV and online. They have a limited budget so it is what it is. Unless incented in a specific financial direction the U.S. carriers could care less what phones people buy as long as they commit to two years of wireless service. So the iPhone, SGSX, and One are all just a means to an end.
I bought the last one available at my closest Sprint store. I go in until about 7:00, though.
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In the U.S., because of subsidization, there's really no launch "day" as people tend to get a new phone when their contract permits. The masses also aren't as passionate as we are about new mobile devices. As for in-store activities, co-op advertising (Sprint<>HTC), and how devices are featured in-store those are all things that the manufacturers pay for. HTC seems to be doing more for the One this year (maybe because it's unmolested on three carriers) than last year on TV and online. They have a limited budget so it is what it is. Unless incented in a specific financial direction the U.S. carriers could care less what phones people buy as long as they commit to two years of wireless service. So the iPhone, SGSX, and One are all just a means to an end.
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I have to disagree. How many times has Apple had a long line on and before their launch day. I'm not a fan of Apple, but they definitely know how to create demand.
I understand HTC doesn't have deep pockets like Samsung and Apple, but I believe they could be more creative to woo the masses. If people really wanted a product, they won't let their two year commitment get in the way. When I bought my EVO 4G LTE there was a lot of buzz in that same store just a year ago.
It is still early and I agree that this phone will sell, but HTC can do better to create demand for their premium phone.
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Apple's been going so long with the hype now... I wonder how many people just have their 2 years ending around the release date of it.
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I have to disagree. How many times has Apple had a long line on and before their launch day. I'm not a fan of Apple, but they definitely know how to create demand.
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Do you think people are going to line up in advance for the SGS4? I don't. There may be some small crowds at larger stores in bigger markets but Android phones don't have the cult-like following iDevices do. My non-geek friends with Android phones couldn't even tell you their specs. And none of them would pay more than $199 for a phone to get one any earlier than their contract permitted so unless there's a bunch of contracts expiring this month there shouldn't be any rushes at the check-out counters.
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Do you think people are going to line up in advance for the SGS4? I don't. There may be some small crowds at larger stores in bigger markets but Android phones don't have the cult-like following iDevices do. My non-geek friends with Android phones couldn't even tell you their specs. And none of them would pay more than $199 for a phone to get one any earlier than their contract permitted so unless there's a bunch of contracts expiring this month there shouldn't be any rushes at the check-out counters.
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I don't know anybody with an iPhone that can tell you it's specs.
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I went down to the local Sprint store around noon to check out the HTC One today. There were only a couple of people in the store. There was a very plain white banner and one silver HTC One for display. Next to the One was an EVO 4G LTE. I was able to walk right over and play with the device. A sales rep came over after a couple of minutes and asked if I have any questions. His knowledge on the phone was limited and we even had a hard time finding some music or getting the internet connection to pick up You Tube so I could check out the speakers. Eventually another shopper came in who was interested in the phone and was considering the HTC One, Note 2 or less likely a the GS4. I asked the rep if they had a lot of people come in and buy the phone. He said they had sold 2.
This isn't exactly a great launch for a company that is heavily relying on the success of one product. Besides checking the latest phone sites, I haven't heard or seen anything from HTC that they are launching their new flagship. There wasn't a long line of excited fanboys waiting to get their hands on the latest and greatest HTC phone. I would consider myself a fan of HTC. I believe they have a superior build quality and I enjoy the love it or hate it Sense. I would like to see HTC thrive in this competitive market.
I am sure a lot of you on this site have either run out to your local Sprint or Best Buy to either check out or buy your HTC One. What was your experience like? Was there a long line or crowd giddy with excitement or has launch day been somewhat of a dud?
Here is some information that will fuel the rumors: I asked the rep if they had a black One in stock. He said that they aren't available at this time. When it does come in, it will only be available in 64 gig. I told him I thought AT&T had exclusivity on the 64 gig model. He said that the exclusivity is only for a short time, and they are waiting to launch it on Sprint. He wasn't sure if the Silver would be available in 64 gig. Take this information with a grain of salt since you are first reading this on the internet and it came from a Sprint employee.
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Sold out in most UK retailers. Perhaps more popular here than the USA.
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The iPhone is usually the only device that you need to line up at a retail store to get it on launch day. The HTC One was available online long before it became available in stores, and I'll still get mine delivered from T-Mobile even before they have any in the stores. The flubbed orders and instability of the website seemed to at least suggest the phone is popular online, so I don't think HTC has anything to worry about in terms of demand at the moment.
A lot of phones get staggered availability in the US as well because no two of the four major carriers utilize the same bands and frequencies. You need four different sets of radios to match each of the carriers, meanwhile Europe just gets the single international version. It's probably the reason why the launch had to be delayed, and Europe ended up getting their hands on it first. It's also why you won't see much availability for the black version in the US, because you've already got three versions of the silver phone, and having the black option would mean three more versions of the phone to distribute.
HTC is doing the best they can, but right now they're probably looking primarily to European sales to help drag them out of the ditch.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/7/30/4570490/htc-q3-2013-guidance-first-loss-on-record
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such threads are not needed, we have been seeing them for years now
besides the verge always adds drama on top here is the proper press release
http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/
Taipei, Taiwan – July 30, 2013 – HTC Corporation (the Company, TWSE: 2498), a global leader in mobile innovation and design, today announced consolidated results for the Company and its subsidiaries for the second quarter of 2013.
2Q 2013 Results
HTC posted quarterly revenue of NT$70.7 billion, with gross margin of 23.2 % and operating margin of 1.5%. Net profit and EPS were NT$1.25 billion and NT$1.50, respectively.
“My leadership team continues to focus on execution,” said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. “We are seeing expected results as we fill the channels and meet demand for the new HTC One. As we broaden our focus to include a new member of the HTC One family, the recently announced One mini, we are looking forward to delivering great products and results in 2H.”
HTC announced key appointments, including Jack Yang to president of South Asia, Sirpa Ikola to senior director of marketing for South Asia, and Lorain Wong to vice president of global PR.
As manufacturing ramped up, the US saw sequential growth in 2Q, as well as expansion in retail channels. EMEA saw renewed strength in major Western European markets and emerging countries.
Progress was observed across Asia. HTC gained market share in Taiwan, showing an improved presence in Hong Kong and warm reception of its products by consumers in Japan. In China, sales of HTC’s high-end models improved, while competition at the mid-tier and affordable intensified. In South Asia, the improvement of key operator relationships provides optimism about the region.
3Q 2013 Outlook
The Company’s outlook for the second quarter of 2013 is as follows:
- 3Q revenue is expected to be in the range of NT$50bn to NT$60bn
- Gross profit margin is expected to be in the range of 18% to 21%
- Operating margin is expected to be in the range of 0% to -8%
The new HTC One has performed well in the market, better than that of our hero products for the same period last year. We aim to extend the momentum as we enter into the second half of 2013. The new HTC One has also helped the company establish strong brand awareness and received numerous accolades as the world’s best smart phone. With the help of HTC One, we have regained superphone market share across major markets including China.
We also have plans underway to launch a range of innovative and competitive mid-tier products in the coming months. We hope to regain momentum and market share in these segments in Q4. This will address our challenge of mid-tier products competiveness
Our overall gross margin has been impacted by the relatively higher cost structure, lack of economy of scale and certain provisions needed to facilitate the clearance of aging products in the channel. Actions have been taken and we expect to see improvement in Q4
We are also optimizing our organization, including the improvement of management efficiency and effectiveness.
People, innovations, and technology are the core assets of HTC. We will continue to invest in innovations and technology, as well as retaining and rewarding our best talents. We look forward to a brighter future for HTC and continue to delight our customers with the best and most exciting products
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you can see clearly that they state, the One is getting them more revenue then last year flagships, but they fall short on the low end side of sales, also they have extra expenses for this quarter causing the predicted loss waste of profit
- 3Q revenue is expected to be in the range of NT$50bn to NT$60bn
- Gross profit margin is expected to be in the range of 18% to 21%
- Operating margin is expected to be in the range of 0% to -8%
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That's a pretty optimistic viewpoint you posted @hamdir. Almost makes it seem like HTC has turned the corner and poised for a rebound (which we all know is far from the truth). Here's Reuters not so optimistic perspective.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/us-htc-guidance-idUSBRE96T0B920130730
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That's a pretty optimistic viewpoint you posted @hamdir. Almost makes it seem like HTC has turned the corner and poised for a rebound (which we all know is far from the truth). Here's Reuters not so optimistic perspective.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/us-htc-guidance-idUSBRE96T0B920130730
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what view? i posted HTC's own press release, they explain pretty clearly that their old inventory and lack of mid / low range competition will cause the predict lack of gross margins, tons of positive in the press release as well such as the HTC One performance and their improvements in Asian markets
meanwhile HTC is hard at work for the next flagship while you guys are busy with their profit or losses
does anyone still follows how much Nokia or Sony are loosing? or when they rebound?
Financial up and downs is normal for any company in my opinion and as far as im concerned it's non of my business, i have an amazing smartphone thanks to them and i don't need to contemplate their finance
here is something interesting from your own link
"Even a hero product can't save them," he said, adding that a partnership with another firm - a possibility CEO Peter Chou has said he would look at - was one of the few strong options open to HTC.
Although HTC is expected to soon launch the HTC One Mini, Samsung and Apple are also likely to announce their own new offerings later this year. A planned marketing blitz, which includes enlisting Robert Downey Jr. for a reported $12 million to star in its ad campaigns, is expected to weigh on profit margins.
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more details here
http://focustaiwan.tw/search/201307300029.aspx?q=htc
HTC said its overall gross margin has been impacted by the relatively higher cost structure, lack of economy of scale and certain provisions needed to facilitate the clearance of aging products in the channel.
Peter Chou, chief executive officer of HTC, said the company is taking action to reduce the cost of some key components used in its products, such as displays and mechanical parts, and that the improvements will be apparent in the fourth quarter.
In addition, HTC plans to launch a new range of mid-tier phones in the late third quarter or early fourth quarter to increase its economy of scale and leverage its product portfolio, Chou said.
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"We are bearish on the company in the longer term as it continues to struggle in the premium smartphone segment despite having a good product, while it remains uncompetitive in the low-end segment," Cheng said, who set a price target of NT$145 on the stock.
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Sony and HTC merge and we're gonna have a good time.
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Sony and HTC merge and we're gonna have a good time.
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My dream
It's alot of over analyzing but it sure makes me worry. They can't even seem to pump put timely updates at this point... Even to their developer and GE editions. Can't blame the carriers holding up the updates on those...
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hamdir said:
Meanwhile HTC is hard at work for the next flagship while you guys are busy wit their profit or losses
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There's nothing in anything that's been posted that's even remotely uplifting regarding HTC's future.
The One's without question the best phone HTC's ever made yet revenue, profit, and market share are down.
Their guidance for Q3 is projected to be down 30% YOY and Q3 includes their projected revenue for the Mini, Max, and any other devices launching during the quarter.
HTC's cost base is f'd because of their loss of scale. They weren't a "tier one" supplier even with the One's idealistic sales goals which means they pay more than their competitors for the same components and aren't given preference when parts are in scarce supply.
Samsung's monolithic and LG/Sony have deep pocketed parent companies with diverse product lines. Motorola's owned by Google. HTC's too small to compete with those companies as well as the Chinese with their low cost base and priority in the Chinese market.
For the eighth quarter in a row we've discussed HTC's "come back" and for the eighth quarter they've posted continually crappy results with their forward guidance showing no relief. The HTC brand may continue through an acquisition but the company itself is pretty much dead. And that's not my opinion, it's the analyst's which, after these results, all have "sell" ratings on the stock.
hamdir said:
such threads are not needed, we have been seeing them for years now
besides the verge always adds drama on top here is the proper press release
http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/
you can see clearly that they state, the One is getting them more revenue then last year flagships, but they fall short on the low end side of sales, also they have extra expenses for this quarter causing the predicted loss waste of profit
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Than.
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HTC is definitely in trouble. The One is an insanely great device and yet they just had their worst quarter. That sounds pretty bad. And again, with the 5s, budget iphone, note 3 and others I don't know how htc can turn this around.
Like Barry said htc is too small of a company at the end of the day. Sony, apple, LG, Samsung are huge companies that have more resources and you need deep pockets to compete. A merge with another company is almost certain at this point.
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Not to be redundant, but this one from Engadget has a positive tone to it.
HTC: the One is selling better than last year's hero products, but next quarter may see a loss
the previous Q2 profit results were good (reported last month)
and these are Q3 projections, considering the stated reasons
i never discussed a come back, all i said companies for a long time can survive with such up and down, we have tons of examples
come to think of it, Asus and HTC merge makes perfect Sense
Same country, Asus sucks in branding and worldwide distribution of it's products, their smartphone side isn't doing so great but they rock in pc and tablets, while HTC is specializes in smartphones exclusively
Asus only sucks in availability of their mobile stuff though. All their PC parts are available every part of the world. If they applied the same resources with the same enthusiasm + a HTC merger, it would be awesomely awesome beyond awesomeness.
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the previous Q2 profit results were good (reported last month)
and these are Q3 projections, considering the stated reasons
i never discussed a come back, all i said companies for a long time can survive with such up and down, we have tons of examples
come to think of it, Asus and HTC merge makes perfect Sense
Same country, Asus sucks in branding and worldwide distribution of it's products, their smartphone side isn't doing so great but they rock in pc and tablets, while HTC is specializes in smartphones exclusively
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Q2 was awful compared to last year's Q2 which is the most relevant comparison. Q-2-Q comparisons don't take in to account seasonality and other trends. And aging inventory is corporate speak for we overestimated demand and/or the competition is eating our lunch. Microsoft writing down $1B because of the Surface's lackluster sales is a good example. What's going to change for HTC? The One's not helping much and the Max and Mini launch is factored in to their Q3 quidance which projects a loss. Their previous focus on the high-end has made them a late comer in emerging markets. Even there their lack of scale makes an identically spec'd HTC phone more expensive to build than their competitors phones. So the high-end (the One) didn't save them and with limited distribution, higher component prices, and no brand loyalty in the price-focused lower tiers it's hard to envision them making much headway there. All the drivel about a bright future is coming from Peter Chou who's decisions and direction got HTC in to the mess they are currently in. His words kind of remind me of "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for two hamburgers today." And the impact of their financial condition is already being felt by their customers; ask a One S owner.
HTC would survive just like BlackBerry. Would take a very long time to get back on track. I hope mini and ultra boost up their prifits
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Will be rooting for this underdog!
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Q2 was awful compared to last year's Q2 which is the most relevant comparison. Q-2-Q comparisons don't take in to account seasonality and other trends. And aging inventory is corporate speak for we overestimated demand and/or the competition is eating our lunch. Microsoft writing down $1B because of the Surface's lackluster sales is a good example. What's going to change for HTC? The One's not helping much and the Max and Mini launch is factored in to their Q3 quidance which projects a loss. Their previous focus on the high-end has made them a late comer in emerging markets. Even there their lack of scale makes an identically spec'd HTC phone more expensive to build than their competitors phones. So the high-end (the One) didn't save them and with limited distribution, higher component prices, and no brand loyalty in the price-focused lower tiers it's hard to envision them making much headway there. All the drivel about a bright future is coming from Peter Chou who's decisions and direction got HTC in to the mess they are currently in. His words kind of remind me of "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for two hamburgers today." And the impact of their financial condition is already being felt by their customers; ask a One S owner.
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mateeeeeee the One S is well documented already, the reason for the update drop is that Qualcomm stopped supporting snapdragon 3 and hence didn't provide the drivers for 4.2.2
the One S s4 will most likely receive it, as football said the work restarted on the OTA
also this story was confirmed by shen
I'm done here, it was my mistake to enter the financial discussions again
peace
Blackberry would be the one to fall before HTC. HTC, will come back around..
Sammy and Apple love the attention. Ads Ads Ads Ads. It sinks into peoples heads, that these phones are the latest a and greatest that other phones are garbage to them. All in marketing control.. That's why you see more 15 yr old girls with iPhone more and more everyday. Its all about how you advertise. More advertisement the more you will get out of it. $$$
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Trouble Trouble
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http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/10/3/4800914/htc-q3-2013-unaudited-earnings
The mobile market is fierce, it looks like small companies have no place in it ..
Nokia, motorolla, blackberry ..
Is HTC facing the same grim future ?!
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I would hardly call HTC small. Its a failing giant. While the HTC one is a great phone, its probably too late for HTC, just as its too late for Microsoft.
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So sad to see how a good company with a great product can not get back into the race. I thought that HTC with the One will have a small revenue but no. Once again it goes under appreciated
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http://www.t3.com/news/t3-gadget-awards-2013-htc-one-wins-phone-of-the-year
http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-08-16-HTC-One-named-best-european-advanced-smartphone-2013-2014/
The company has had a streak of terrible products for years .. And this year they redeemed themselves with a GREAT phone .. But perhaps it's already too late ..
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If you haven't notice, all of the companies that only make cellphones haven't been doing too great (Nokia, HTC, Blackberry, Motorola...etc.), it really hard to compete with these large companies (Samsung, LG, Apple, Asus, Sony...etc.) because even if one of their smartphones doesn't do too great they still got their other products from other segments of the market to bring in revenue. Samsung's domination in the market is concerning though. Its never good to have one company dominating, especially for us consumers.
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If you haven't notice, all of the companies that only make cellphones haven't been doing too great (Nokia, HTC, Blackberry, Motorola...etc.), it really hard to compete with these large companies (Samsung, LG, Apple, Asus, Sony...etc.) because even if one of their smartphones doesn't do too great they still got their other products from other segments of the market to bring in revenue.
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Its not the end of the world. The HTC One was the first stepping stone down a path of profitability. The HTC One was a success, but with that success you also need to cover the failures (their operating loss would be far greater if the One didn't do well).
With the launch of their next products, and so long as they stick with the positives of the One; improving upon them they will come back to profitability.
Their ship hasn't sailed just yet, Nokia and Blackberry have had abysmal performance for what seems like forever and are only now going the way of the dodo( and Nokia put up one hell of a fight with their devices, just bet on the wrong horse).
While true that many handset makers have other sources of income, they are also potential money pits (TV divisions for nearly all of them are in the toilet). Samsung is essentially the 800lb gorilla. They can design, manufacturer and market devices in a faster manner than the others since they can self produce most of the components as they have all that infrastructure in place. Only way to beat them, is to continually put out a stellar product that does what it should really well and better than the competition. This doesn't just go for HTC, but for any competitor.
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I would hardly call HTC small. Its a failing giant. While the HTC one is a great phone, its probably too late for HTC, just as its too late for Microsoft.
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I can't speak for HTC but Microsoft is going absolutely no where. It's ridiculous to even compare Microsoft's situation to HTC's. With that, frankly, I don't believe HTC is going anywhere either. They are on a better road right now.
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I feel like the ad campaign for the One was quite lacking, especially compared to recent Samsung and Nokia commercials. The One is an amazing device, but (for the average consumer) if they haven't heard their friends talking about it, they're not likely to get it.
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This actually makes me kind of sad.
I mean, I really really dont understand why the One is not getting the love by the consumers that it does by all the award titles.
What do the phone sellers do anyway? Shov the S4 up the buyer's throat and make them buy it?
Don't people read reviews on the internet before they head over to the store to buy a device?
The family of my girl is also the typical S4 buyer, where already 3 of them did.
Her brother got the S4 and had craploads of problems with it, he could have bought the S3 for that matter, he said.
I came in with my HTC One and showed all of them my device was superiour in every freakin way.
Four months later, the mother AND the sister are walking around with the S4 too...
I mean, WHAT THE HELL? Dont they listen?
Ah well, as long as HTC does not fall and the support for the device stops, I'm happy with it.
I've had the S2 for two years, and I were pretty satisfied. But every time I pick up my One, I get this "wow" factor.
I find myself just holding and watching the device, being amazed about the build quality, it just has no competitors in those terms.
Things will get worse before they get better in anything!
Beleive me I have given up smoking and my lungs feel worse than when i was smoking lol! They will however get better!
the One is a great basis to start on and if they keep churning out iphone killers like this, they will be going in the right direction eventually but it takes time! :good:
I wonder if things would be different if they added a physical home button.
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The HTC One was a success
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Sadly, it wasn't. Success is measured in sales and it grossly underperformed HTC's own estimates as measured by them reporting earnings below their own guidance in both Q2 and Q3; the two quarters where the One should have made a difference. They botched the One's launch and have also botched the Mini's launch. Because of production problems with the latter's casing they can only produce 200K per month. So now comes the Max which is selling for more than the N3 in China where HTC appears to be launching it first. It's got a .2" larger display and appears to be huge and heavy in comparison. HTC's finally starting to attack merging markets (which they should have done two years ago) but price is the biggest driver in those markets and HTC's components costs are now higher than their competitors due to their erosion in volume. Analysts' have a target price on their stock of NTD 100 which is shamefully low. When the stock nears that price someone will acquire HTC; most likely one of the Chinese phone makers.
The One was their last chance for a self-driven turnaround and in spite of it being a fabulous phone, HTC's best to-date, it was too little too late.
HTC has never advertised their products on TV enough in the US market, Samsung is on TV all the time. Also their reps get all the best in-store display space and have signs all over the stores. Advertisements sell the products.
Most mobile customers have never even heard of HTC.
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HTC has never advertised their products on TV enough in the US market, Samsung is on TV all the time. Also their reps get all the best in-store display space and have signs all over the stores. Advertisements sell the products.
Most mobile customers have never even heard of HTC.
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The simple fact of the matter is that Samsung outspend them on marketing 10-1, not just this year but last. It is a matter of Samsung having so many irons in the fire. They are so diversified in so many areas that with slack in one area of their businesses they can push in another area. HTC have never had the resources to compete in the area of "mind share". They are singularly focused which is a bad thing. They grew exponentially but when Samsung got serious they simply outspent HTC, coupled with HTC missteps. Heavens, Samsung outspend Apple 3-1.
I really like my HTC One - the best phone I have had by a big margin. However, I do not see how they can arrest the attrition in their business without much bigger money behind them. As it stands, their margins are shrinking drastically. The only real hope for HTC is I believe with a "merger" (polite for takeover) by probably another Asian company. There is no such thing in this business as a "niche" cell phone manufacturer. R&D, marketing etc cost money and without economies of scale it is almost impossible to make good money and have good products.
I have been using HTC phones since VZW started selling them and feel that the One and DNA were the two best phones they ever made and neither ever got the advertising they deserved. I really hate to see them
fold up but I realize they don't have the resources to continue much longer. They can't fill the orders for the One or the One Mini. Ran out of the metal housings.
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i read an article about HTC being aproached by microsoft. if that happens im turning oppo for sure
Windows phones are not selling now so that wouldn't help HTC.
They need to be bought out by a company with deep pockets that knows how to advertise.
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Enjoy your last HTC device guys. lol
on a side note i was already thinking of switching to Apple iphone. Yeepee. So excited.
Poor production volumn, too high pricing, too late release date are the reasons.
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Still just rumours, but interesting all the same, imagine a 64GB/4GB Ram Zenfone 2 with HTC's metal unibody finish and boom sound speakers!
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OS0AH20150612?irpc=932
Its a shame, HTC used to be top of the line back a few years ago.
HTC lost my business a decade ago when I begged them to get us HW accelerated video drivers for our Windoze Mobile 6.1 phone & their response was that they appreciated the request and they would work on making new phones w/ hardware acceleration. Of course, the community had to cobble together a HW Accelerated 3d driver; but I promised myself that I would never buy another HTC phone again.
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HTC lost my business a decade ago when I begged them to get us HW accelerated video drivers for our Windoze Mobile 6.1 phone & their response was that they appreciated the request and they would work on making new phones w/ hardware acceleration. Of course, the community had to cobble together a HW Accelerated 3d driver; but I promised myself that I would never buy another HTC phone again.
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such as waste..wooww and you are xda member since nov 2007.. i trust you bro!
Probably will not happen...Asus' cellphone division is profitable as it stands, and Asus traditionally likes to organically grow their divisions from within. While I could be wrong, I doubt Asus wants to pick up HTC's debt and problems.
Those front facing dual speakers are to die for, though.
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Those front facing dual speakers are to die for, though.
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That they are...though to be honest I tend to use bluetooth or headphones....hell my A30's sound excellent with the zf2....and I cannot wait until my Mi Headphones arrive.....
I have two HTC One M8's in the house, and a Nexus 9. I contacted their support team for manufacturer warranty/repair for the overpriced $130 keyboard folio for the Nexus 9, that won't charge. They told me "We don't have warranties on accessories." and offered no option for repair, told me I could buy another one...I was SHOCKED! Shouldn't be though, bought one of those HTC BT key finder things, and it was a piece of garbage.
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I have two HTC One M8's in the house, and a Nexus 9. I contacted their support team for manufacturer warranty/repair for the overpriced $130 keyboard folio for the Nexus 9, that won't charge. They told me "We don't have warranties on accessories." and offered no option for repair, told me I could buy another one...I was SHOCKED! Shouldn't be though, bought one of those HTC BT key finder things, and it was a piece of garbage.
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Damn. Even a generic keyboard on amazon they would replace for just the shipping back charge.
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Can't imagine HTC-Asus Smartphone, HTC Build quality and design with ASUS Reasonable Price
But They deny it
http://www.xda-developers.com/htc-execs-strongly-deny-asustek-acquisition-rumors/
http://investors.htc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=148697&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2059059
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Can't imagine HTC-Asus Smartphone, HTC Build quality and design with ASUS Reasonable Price
But They deny it
http://www.xda-developers.com/htc-execs-strongly-deny-asustek-acquisition-rumors/
http://investors.htc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=148697&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2059059
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Maybe just for stock value reasons. Though HTC could really use a boost.
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