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Still Learning About My Droid X

I appreciate all the assistance so far with my Droid X. I am beginning to get used to it more and more.
A few more questions that I am hoping someone can help with:
1) Is battery life horrendous on this device? I fully charged it yesterday and it didnt last a full day.
2) I have now rooted my X. I see references to a bootloader. Do I need to touch this at all?
3) Are there any good updated kernels available to play with?
4) Whats the impression of the leaked Gbread release? Any reason to move to it now?
Thanks,
Steve

1. Yes
2. No it is locked
3. No they cannot be flashed due to the locked bootloader
4. I have had great results with it and it is much better than froyo

Thanks for the responses.
Does the battery life get better with Gbread? If so how do you load it since we do not have an unlocked bootloader?
I have been reading about some ppl working on the bootloader, so its prolly a matter of time before someone cracks it. Not sure why Moto decided to lock the bootloader, when its unlocked on my Xoom!

Thanks I have begun the process of moving to Gbread. Clockwork is giving me some issues, but I am getting through it. Looking forward to seeing how this will run on the DX. I am coming from an Incredible, so for me the big changes are screen size and video capabilities.

I was able to drastically improve my battery life by undervolting the device with an overclocking app.

If you consider the size of the screen battery life is pretty good. I've never had a phone that last all day. There are things you can do to help. After about 8 hours im at about 40% not to bad for moderate use. But it could be better. Now some roms can give you better battle life.
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Funny coming from a Dinc and you think the DX battery life is bad Anyway yes GB is a bit better on the battery and works very nice. Other things to do is either lower your screen brightness or turn it on auto. Freezing bloat and services you don't use (facebook feeds ect.) with Titanium Backup will have an impact too. Keeping live widgets to a minimum will help too. Use WiFi when you can and keep it turned off when not using it to stop the phone from pinging for it every minute helps. Using GPS hammers the battery but it can be left on since it only runs when an app calls for it. Same go for surfing the 'net, battery killer.
I can get 24 hours of life using my phone pretty hard but I have run out of battery at the end of the day if I really hammer on it. I keep my plugged in most of the day at work which helps get me through a heavy night of use.
fasthair

For me battery life was only an issue when I first got my DX. After I disabled all the bloat and got a good over clock/undervolt app (jrummy's), the battery life was better on 2.2 then the Dinc and Fascinate that are floating around my house. And once I updated to Gingerbread, the battery life became amazing, I can sit eight hours in an area with horrendous signal and have about half battery life left with moderate use. But results vary....
Sent from my Xoom the way it should be, rooted and with SD card.

This is all excellent info all. Thanks for taking the time out to assist. Once I had SetCPU installed on my Incredible I was able to get much better battery results. I am going to begin working with this again.
One thing I noticed is that I set the DX to shut the screen off after 2 mins, but it doesnt seem to shut off. Anyone seeing that issue too?

to those of you saying battery life sucks on the DX, dont ever switch to another phone (ie Thunderbolt). I made the move and my Tbolt died three times in a single day. My DX used to last me a day an a half (running Apex rom). The DX is actually really, really good compared to other smartphones with a 4.3in screen.

4.4.2 observations so far

Installed the Rogers 4.4.2 build. So far I am quite impressed. The active notification unlock is as fast as 4.2.2, if not faster.
The Rogers build does have some build specific features I really like - HSPA is displayed "H+" (not 4G) and the LTE is displayed as "LTE", not 4GLTE. I see there is also an option to specifically select 2G, 3G or LTE.
The only downside is the provider name is displayed in the upper left(why why why)
The signal meter is displayed using 5 bars, the tmobile/retail/dev firmware only has 4, again, why?
The new bootloader version to go with 4.4.2 is 30.B4

Steve-x said:
Installed the Rogers 4.4.2 build. So far I am quite impressed. The active notification unlock is as fast as 4.2.2, if not faster.
The Rogers build does have some build specific features I really like - HSPA is displayed "H+" (not 4G) and the LTE is displayed as "LTE", not 4GLTE. I see there is also an option to specifically select 2G, 3G or LTE.
The only downside is the provider name is displayed in the upper left(why why why)
The signal meter is displayed using 5 bars, the tmobile/retail/dev firmware only has 4, again, why?
The new bootloader version to go with 4.4.2 is 30.B4
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Cool to know! A quick question: is Google Now Hot Word detection being fixed? Thx!

ART fixed, no more calendar storage problems, FCs?

Cons
I've noticed the icons (in the notification bar) no longer turn blue when they are in use. I miss that.
I don't like the reduced size of the numbers on the dialer.
Pros
The full screen art on lock screen when playing music from Slacker or Google music
Much better and less vibration when unlocking the screen.
Is it me or does touchless control seem faster?
No longer a space between wifi icon and signal strength
Anybody notice touch input is faster/smoother?!
I haven't noticed anything else on 4.4.2 vs 4.2.2
Sent from my XT1058 using xda app-developers app

Camera? Low light performance, does it still crank the iso way up?

I haven't used ART, my fav app doesn't work with it so no point for me. Camera is the same as in 4.4 from what I can - so better then 4.2.2 but not amazing or anything.
The icons in the built in wifi/bt/gps/sync toggle widget have changed.
I see the phone also has boot services now, same as the Moto G, not sure what this all does but it is how they added the holiday bootup to the Moto G so perhaps they have more of that planned for us in the future.
I am still impressed with the speed things seem to be running at. So far in terms of performance 4.4.2 seems to be a winner.

Has Android OS drain been fixed?
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MakoVince said:
Has Android OS drain been fixed?
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I haven't used it long enough to say, although I never felt I had an Android OS drain issue. I think the Android OS drain usage may include the always listening feature. If you put the phone into airplane mode and just let it sit there it will run for less then a week with the always listening feature running, with it disabled the phone will run for nearly a month.(been testing this with my spare phone)

Steve-x said:
I haven't used it long enough to say, although I never felt I had an Android OS drain issue. I think the Android OS drain usage may include the always listening feature. If you put the phone into airplane mode and just let it sit there it will run for less then a week with the always listening feature running, with it disabled the phone will run for nearly a month.(been testing this with my spare phone)
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Guess you're one of the lucky few. Even with 3 hours of screen on time Android OS continues to be the top drainer on my phone
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Yap its still there, although I'm not running stock but Gummy ROM 4.4.2 and previously cm11 4.4.2 for over a month, only minor improvements from 4.2.2 and 4.4 which is was running stock, it ain't going away unless Google decides to remove location based apps and all their gapps from android
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

Maybe that is it then, I leave the GPS off, only turn it on if I need to use google maps, also leave wifi off. I have never seen high Android usage yet.

Steve-x said:
Maybe that is it then, I leave the GPS off, only turn it on if I need to use google maps, also leave wifi off. I have never seen high Android usage yet.
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I have never seen high enough Android usage to cause worry and I leave GPS and Wi-Fi on all the time. Usually get 4.5 hours screen-on time, sometimes more if I don't use Google Maps Navigation or listen to a lot of podcasts. Today it's been off the charger for 9.5 hours with over 3 hours of screen-on time and I'm still at 48%. After the screen, Android OS is the top drainer at 20%, but who cares if I'm getting such amazing battery life?

I'm noticing worse battery life on 4.4.2 (using ART), I'm Only getting 2 and a half of screen on time vs 5 hours on 4.2.2.
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Jamolah said:
I'm noticing worse battery life on 4.4.2 (using ART), I'm Only getting 2 and a half of screen on time vs 5 hours on 4.2.2.
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Don't use ART unless you're willing to make a few tradeoffs. It's not even in beta form. It's more like an alpha build; it's mainly for developers to test for future Android builds that switch to a mature version of ART. The Moto X libraries are highly optimized for Dalvik, so this includes any Motorola optimizations for the S4 Pro and Moto features (Active Notifications, Touchless Control).
Alternatively, you can hunt for wakelocks and see what's keeping the phone awake. Personally, I've noticed the phone goes into deep sleep less with ART enabled. I like the idea of ART, but most apps just aren't completely ready for it and can behave differently. Most worked fine for me, but I also had more battery drain.
I can't wait for AOT compiling to be the primary runtime.

My phone no longer flickers gray after the fade out of an active notification. I wonder what they did...
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Jamolah said:
Cons
I've noticed the icons (in the notification bar) no longer turn blue when they are in use. I miss that.
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Yeah, some of the Kit Kat style changes take some getting used to.. SEE -> http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...nd-only-shows-connectivity-in-quick-settings/

Jason.DROID said:
Don't use ART unless you're willing to make a few tradeoffs. It's not even in beta form. It's more like an alpha build; it's mainly for developers to test for future Android builds that switch to a mature version of ART. The Moto X libraries are highly optimized for Dalvik, so this includes any Motorola optimizations for the S4 Pro and Moto features (Active Notifications, Touchless Control).
Alternatively, you can hunt for wakelocks and see what's keeping the phone awake. Personally, I've noticed the phone goes into deep sleep less with ART enabled. I like the idea of ART, but most apps just aren't completely ready for it and can behave differently. Most worked fine for me, but I also had more battery drain.
I can't wait for AOT compiling to be the primary runtime.
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You are so right. I switched to DALVIK last night and already notice better battery life.
Like I mentioned with ART I was on 3 hours of screen on time (SOT) and battery was 1%
With DALVIK I'm at 4 hours SOT and I'm at 46% battery life.
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Any changes to the camera performance, specifically low light quality, speed and is the LCD caused banding still there.

Jamolah said:
You are so right. I switched to DALVIK last night and already notice better battery life.
Like I mentioned with ART I was on 3 hours of screen on time (SOT) and battery was 1%
With DALVIK I'm at 4 hours SOT and I'm at 46% battery life.
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+1 on this; sadly, ART is not for daily use yet..

Can anyone comment as to whether "touchless controls" for music is better at playing songs with 4.4.2? Posters in the Nexus 5 forum stated it was better after 4.4.2 update.

Moto X not built for kit Kat

I've owned a moto x for 1 week now. When I got it, I immediately ignored the kit Kat update, tried using jelly bean for 2 days, I had good to above average battery life.
3rd day, I updated it to kit Kat, my battery life took a big hit!!
Yesterday I received a nexus 5 as a gift, I love it.
I performed an experiment with both phones, I wiped both in recovery (stock, both phones are completely stock) I wiped cache. I then took my SIM out of the moto x. Turned on, only Wi-Fi on both. Then installed the exact same apps on both phones.
Whole time I was doing this I was charging both of them.
One 100% hit both of them I unplugged then at same time and turned screen off, let them sit.
After 6 hrs of sitting, the nexus 5 was at 98% the moto x was at 89%!! That's LOCATION turned off on both. And on the motto x the active screen and hands free control.
I think the nexus is built for kit Kat, most phones have quad core nowadays, I'm thinking that kit Kat just runs better.
The battery life difference is a shocker to me, and fit that reason alone, I'm using the nexus 5 and selling my moto x.
If I could downgrade the moto x, I would for sure, but I need battery life.
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I've just redone my test with the same results, I will post pics later.
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markdexter said:
I've owned a moto x for 1 week now. When I got it, I immediately ignored the kit Kat update, tried using jelly bean for 2 days, I had good to above average battery life.
3rd day, I updated it to kit Kat, my battery life took a big hit!!
Yesterday I received a nexus 5 as a gift, I love it.
I performed an experiment with both phones, I wiped both in recovery (stock, both phones are completely stock) I wiped cache. I then took my SIM out of the moto x. Turned on, only Wi-Fi on both. Then installed the exact same apps on both phones.
Whole time I was doing this I was charging both of them.
One 100% hit both of them I unplugged then at same time and turned screen off, let them sit.
After 6 hrs of sitting, the nexus 5 was at 98% the moto x was at 89%!! That's LOCATION turned off on both. And on the motto x the active screen and hands free control.
I think the nexus is built for kit Kat, most phones have quad core nowadays, I'm thinking that kit Kat just runs better.
The battery life difference is a shocker to me, and fit that reason alone, I'm using the nexus 5 and selling my moto x.
If I could downgrade the moto x, I would for sure, but I need battery life.
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I've just redone my test with the same results, I will post pics later.
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You must have a bad moto x. I've let mine sit overnight multiple times and after about 8 hours my battery is still 100%. Three email accounts synced, Wi-Fi, location on.

Either that or you have a really good moto x!!! I find it hard to believe after 8 hrs still at 100%!!
I understand this is a moto x thread and people will defend their phones, I think there is a lot of people experiencing this after updating to kit Kat.
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markdexter said:
I've owned a moto x for 1 week now. When I got it, I immediately ignored the kit Kat update, tried using jelly bean for 2 days, I had good to above average battery life.
3rd day, I updated it to kit Kat, my battery life took a big hit!!
Yesterday I received a nexus 5 as a gift, I love it.
I performed an experiment with both phones, I wiped both in recovery (stock, both phones are completely stock) I wiped cache. I then took my SIM out of the moto x. Turned on, only Wi-Fi on both. Then installed the exact same apps on both phones.
Whole time I was doing this I was charging both of them.
One 100% hit both of them I unplugged then at same time and turned screen off, let them sit.
After 6 hrs of sitting, the nexus 5 was at 98% the moto x was at 89%!! That's LOCATION turned off on both. And on the motto x the active screen and hands free control.
I think the nexus is built for kit Kat, most phones have quad core nowadays, I'm thinking that kit Kat just runs better.
The battery life difference is a shocker to me, and fit that reason alone, I'm using the nexus 5 and selling my moto x.
If I could downgrade the moto x, I would for sure, but I need battery life.
EDIT...
I've just redone my test with the same results, I will post pics later.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Find out, in about phone, if dev option is on. Tap many times on build # to enable. Then be sure both phones are set to ART runtime!! You will need lots of time & battery.I think the x will do much better then.

No, I think you should get that checked out. I've yet to have mine die on me in less than a day with normal use. Usually is only at 40-50% when I go to bed, and uses almost no battery while idling overnight, I'm guessing due to the architecture. I'm not saying the moto is better than the nexus, just a shame to hear you're having a bad experience with yours. Good luck with it!

Screen shots from gsam would help see what's happening.
But, I had phenomenal battery life on my x.....til my wife got it. Lol avid facebook user....she lost a good chunk of battery life from it alone. Cause its still setup exactly how I had it....but she's always on facebook (pics constantly loading) and she uses the "phone" way more...another drain.
However.....standby time for me never got much lower that 1 percent per hour. My n5....0.4 per hour. I assume active and touchless must keep the x standby drop higher, or radio maybe? Something anyway. I stopped worrying, since overall the x got great battery life. ?
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....

I took the KitKat update the day I got my phone on 3/7/2014 and the battery life is better than my old Nexus. I put the phone on charge at 1600 take it off around 2000 when I wake up at 600 and the phone is at 97%. By the time I get home from work at 1500 it's down to 60%. It'll go 24 hours on one charge easy but I charge it every 12, or so. Some days I'm on it all the time.
Then again, I do have an unlocked boot loader, I'm rooted and I've got Greenify hibernating most of the apps I don't constantly use.

markdexter said:
I've owned a moto x for 1 week now. When I got it, I immediately ignored the kit Kat update, tried using jelly bean for 2 days, I had good to above average battery life.
3rd day, I updated it to kit Kat, my battery life took a big hit!!
Yesterday I received a nexus 5 as a gift, I love it.
I performed an experiment with both phones, I wiped both in recovery (stock, both phones are completely stock) I wiped cache. I then took my SIM out of the moto x. Turned on, only Wi-Fi on both. Then installed the exact same apps on both phones.
Whole time I was doing this I was charging both of them.
One 100% hit both of them I unplugged then at same time and turned screen off, let them sit.
After 6 hrs of sitting, the nexus 5 was at 98% the moto x was at 89%!! That's LOCATION turned off on both. And on the motto x the active screen and hands free control.
I think the nexus is built for kit Kat, most phones have quad core nowadays, I'm thinking that kit Kat just runs better.
The battery life difference is a shocker to me, and fit that reason alone, I'm using the nexus 5 and selling my moto x.
If I could downgrade the moto x, I would for sure, but I need battery life.
EDIT...
I've just redone my test with the same results, I will post pics later.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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With everything on, GPS,location, ect and on WiFi all Verizon bloat removed. At three months on kitkat I drop 3-4% average at ten hours off charge. Once I got 1% drop over 8 hours and another 2% also at 8 hours. So not knowing if your nexus is new but the more the X settle in the better it gets.
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ghostt021 said:
With everything on, GPS,location, ect and on WiFi all Verizon bloat removed. At three months on kitkat I drop 3-4% average at ten hours off charge. Once I got 1% drop over 8 hours and another 2% also at 8 hours. So not knowing if your nexus is new but the more the X settle in the better it gets.
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Maybe so, I can't be waiting a couple of months for it to settle in.
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markdexter said:
Either that or you have a really good moto x!!! I find it hard to believe after 8 hrs still at 100%!!
I understand this is a moto x thread and people will defend their phones, I think there is a lot of people experiencing this after updating to kit Kat.
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I had another Moto X that didn't keep the chrge well. It would drop about 5% in hour after unplugging. So it happens. I didn't take into account about your stock. I have all the verizon crap removed and some unwanted moto apps. Very debloated on my set up.

I have found the solution for power management wakelocks on Kitkat. Many of you might be seeing that Wakelock detector shows phone is staying awake for 40-50% of the times since kitkat update.
Most of these wakelocks are thanks to Power manager service and pm8921_chg wakelocks. After removing the phone from charger these wakelocks causes phone to stay awake when it shouldnt.
I think I have found a solution.
When your battery is 100% switch off the phone. Remove the charger. Let it go to blank screen and then power it back on. Now when phone boots without charger connected to it, use it normall and you will see the wakelocks are no longer keeping phone on for 40-50% of the time. It is back to normal 10-11% or lower depending on use and phone gives great battery life.
I am yet to do lot of testing or reading on this, but this is just an observation. Worth giving it a try.

I get high calenderbackupstorage wake up triggers. Almost 400 to 500
I had this problem in my other phone too.
I have turned off sync , but still the problem persists.
Freezing the app also does not help

DaRkRhiNe said:
I get high calenderbackupstorage wake up triggers. Almost 400 to 500
I had this problem in my other phone too.
I have turned off sync , but still the problem persists.
Freezing the app also does not help
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If you are having the same issues on 2 phones, then it must be one of the apps that you have on your phone. Use AppOps to see which apps are using calender and turn off them if not needed.

Funkym0nkey said:
I have found the solution for power management wakelocks on Kitkat. Many of you might be seeing that Wakelock detector shows phone is staying awake for 40-50% of the times since kitkat update.
Most of these wakelocks are thanks to Power manager service and pm8921_chg wakelocks. After removing the phone from charger these wakelocks causes phone to stay awake when it shouldnt.
I think I have found a solution.
When your battery is 100% switch off the phone. Remove the charger. Let it go to blank screen and then power it back on. Now when phone boots without charger connected to it, use it normall and you will see the wakelocks are no longer keeping phone on for 40-50% of the time. It is back to normal 10-11% or lower depending on use and phone gives great battery life.
I am yet to do lot of testing or reading on this, but this is just an observation. Worth giving it a try.
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This works!! Thanks buddy, it reminds me of an issue I had back in the froyo days!! Good find
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kj2112 said:
...and she uses the "phone" way more...
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What is this "phone" thing you speak of? Some kind of special app or some hidden feature built into the X? I'm not familiar with this concept.

I had my first Moto x run 4.2.2 and battery life sucked. upgraded to Kit Kit and everything was awesome like everyone mentioned.
My 2nd Moto X and it had great battery on both 4.2.2 and 4.4. I've had 3 and all had weird issues. I do think Moto X has some quality control issues. I've closely examined the phones and there were little inconsistencies between the 3. Going to a Tmobile store even confirmed they are using really old outdated SIM cards.
All 3 of mine had Loss of signal bug and MMS bug. no matter what I did.
Some people have no issues at all don't know what to make of it.

PSA for T-Mobile Priv users

Hey guys! I hope you're all enjoying your new Priv! I got mine on release day, so I've been tinkering with it since I got it. A few things bothered me about the device: the battery would take forever to charge, even using a Qualcomm certified quick charger, and the battery would drain abnormally fast. Even with no apps running, Antutu would only score 40,000 to 50,000 and 800/2500 in Geekbench.
I found out that the T-Mobile MyAccount app was always running in the background and took up 6% of my phone's battery, just above android OS. After I disabled that app, I found that a full charge would only take about an hour, versus the 2 hours it took before. Battery life also skyrocketed from about 8 hours to 14+. Antutu scores went up to 60,000 to 67,000 (I tested several times) and Geekbench now consistently scores 1200/3500 for me. The phone also doesn't get NEARLY as hot as it used to.
One other thing I did was to change all my accounts in the hub to sync every 15 minutes instead of push, which also seemed to help with the battery life. Hope this info helps you turn your Priv into the best phone it can be!

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Hey guys! I hope you're all enjoying your new Priv! I got mine on release day, so I've been tinkering with it since I got it. A few things bothered me about the device: the battery would take forever to charge, even using a Qualcomm certified quick charger, and the battery would drain abnormally fast. Even with no apps running, Antutu would only score 40,000 to 50,000 and 800/2500 in Geekbench.
I found out that the T-Mobile MyAccount app was always running in the background and took up 6% of my phone's battery, just above android OS. After I disabled that app, I found that a full charge would only take about an hour, versus the 2 hours it took before. Battery life also skyrocketed from about 8 hours to 14+. Antutu scores went up to 60,000 to 67,000 (I tested several times) and Geekbench now consistently scores 1200/3500 for me. The phone also doesn't get NEARLY as hot as it used to.
One other thing I did was to change all my accounts in the hub to sync every 15 minutes instead of push, which also seemed to help with the battery life. Hope this info helps you turn your Priv into the best phone it can be!
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I heard that some people on Blackberry forums were reporting that T-Mobile My Account app could/is causing battery drainage. I didn't like my account app showing me notifications and went to options in that app and remove all the check marks from the there. I had no issues with battery, but as a precaution I always disable apps that I never use.

Thanks for the heads-up. Finally picked one up today and felt that it did indeed heat up quicker than it should and definitely wasn't charging as fast as I thought it should be. Hopefully this helps!

My Priv's battery has been an utter nightmare - gonna give this a shot. Have you noticed any adverse effects from disabling the app? My main concern is if BingeOn will still work. I'm okay with not being able to disable it (not a big video guy) but free music streaming is super important to me - streaming music at work constantly during an 8hr shift, in the car during my commute... yeah, I need that.
And, before anyone says anything, it's not the music streaming doing it. In fact, the battery seems almost better when I'm doing that since I've just got the phone sitting in my pocket. Wakelocks are an absolute nuisance though - "awake" time is well over 10x SoT.

Trevorq243 said:
My Priv's battery has been an utter nightmare - gonna give this a shot. Have you noticed any adverse effects from disabling the app? My main concern is if BingeOn will still work. I'm okay with not being able to disable it (not a big video guy) but free music streaming is super important to me - streaming music at work constantly during an 8hr shift, in the car during my commute... yeah, I need that.
And, before anyone says anything, it's not the music streaming doing it. In fact, the battery seems almost better when I'm doing that since I've just got the phone sitting in my pocket. Wakelocks are an absolute nuisance though - "awake" time is well over 10x SoT.
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BingeOn doesn't require any T-Mobile bloat to run. It's handled on the network side, not on the device itself. Also, unless they recently changed something, you don't need BingeOn enabled to get free music streaming. Music streaming is free regardless.

Thanks for that. So far the Priv is doing a fine job keeping itself alive now that app is gone. Nice to know I won't be blowing past my data allowance. I'm new to T-Mobile and so far, so good. Well, other than their app destroying my phone of course.

Trevorq243 said:
Thanks for that. So far the Priv is doing a fine job keeping itself alive now that app is gone. Nice to know I won't be blowing past my data allowance. I'm new to T-Mobile and so far, so good. Well, other than their app destroying my phone of course.
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You'll get all that bloat with any carrier
I do want to point out that the Priv does an awesome job of standby. It makes sense that a 2K screen could drain the battery quickly, but I've gone 9 hours with only 40% drain when I barely use it, so it stays alive well when you aren't actively using it. I was also streaming music the whole time, but since the screen itself was off it saved my battery.

Zer0.exe said:
You'll get all that bloat with any carrier
I do want to point out that the Priv does an awesome job of standby. It makes sense that a 2K screen could drain the battery quickly, but I've gone 9 hours with only 40% drain when I barely use it, so it stays alive well when you aren't actively using it. I was also streaming music the whole time, but since the screen itself was off it saved my battery.
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Yep, that's been my experience. On for ~16 hours with 3hrs SoT. Not bad, really. I wouldn't mind a little more longevity but hey, that's what power banks are for.

Here's my own battery experience. I only removed the t-mobile apps and using Facebook on chrome and not the app. I'm a moderate user 2.5 hrs of on screen time!

cronojay said:
Here's my own battery experience. I only removed the t-mobile apps and using Facebook on chrome and not the app. I'm a moderate user 2.5 hrs of on screen time!
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The screen is a killer on this device, but it shouldn't be quite that bad. Are all your BlackBerry apps up to date? Some people have to manually check for updates for some reason.
Also, I disabled every T-Mobile app except visual voicemail. No idea if that'll help or not but it's worth a shot.
Finally, how long have you had the device? Phones always seem screwy battery-life wise during the first few days, regardless of system health.

I disabled all bloatware, this phone dies WAYYYYY to fast compare to my prior note 5.
I really dont, but i'll need to trade back in this phone if I don't get this solved. A man needs a phone with a battery!

Trevorq243 said:
The screen is a killer on this device, but it shouldn't be quite that bad. Are all your BlackBerry apps up to date? Some people have to manually check for updates for some reason.
Also, I disabled every T-Mobile app except visual voicemail. No idea if that'll help or not but it's worth a shot.
Finally, how long have you had the device? Phones always seem screwy battery-life wise during the first few days, regardless of system health.
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How about this one for a little bit over 2 weeks and so far it's been phenomenal for me 1 degrees in love with a good battery life is I disabled Facebook and I just use the web to look at Facebook so that save my battery by at least 20%.

techprint said:
I disabled all bloatware, this phone dies WAYYYYY to fast compare to my prior note 5.
I really dont, but i'll need to trade back in this phone if I don't get this solved. A man needs a phone with a battery!
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Other than battery life, how are you liking the switch? I like but don't love my note 5. I hadn't had a note since the original version, but I'm finding again that I just don't use the spen. I'm thinking about jumping back into a blackberry with keyboard.
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Other than battery life, how are you liking the switch? I like but don't love my note 5. I hadn't had a note since the original version, but I'm finding again that I just don't use the spen. I'm thinking about jumping back into a blackberry with keyboard.
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I'll take back what I previously wrote, as of yesterday I managed to get 24 hours on phone battery. at standby this phone doesn't use any sort of battery, I killed 20 percent in 40 mins on youtube though..
Going to give it a solid week, if not i'll return it and hopefully pick up the new s7 if release by then. I was on the same boat as you, got tired of the note and just wanted a switch. I'll keep checking back leaving my reviews here

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I'll take back what I previously wrote, as of yesterday I managed to get 24 hours on phone battery. at standby this phone doesn't use any sort of battery, I killed 20 percent in 40 mins on youtube though..
Going to give it a solid week, if not i'll return it and hopefully pick up the new s7 if release by then. I was on the same boat as you, got tired of the note and just wanted a switch. I'll keep checking back leaving my reviews here
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I'll second this - screen off, next to zero battery used. Screen on, battery tanks like crazy. I think I'm gonna stick with it though I'm tempted to give the V10 a shot - I need a tough phone and this most certainly is not.

Thinking about purchasing but worried about battery... your opinions?

I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.

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I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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You shouldn't have any problem hitting 4hrs SOT in 10 hours off the charger. I never have to charge this thing at work. I leave the house at 5am and don't plug it in until about 9pm.

thejase said:
I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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I just got my moto x pure two days ago. I came from using an S4 active which I still have. The turbo charing helps with the moto x. I'm still getting use to setting up my moto x the way I want it. You learn from trial and error. The main thing for me is that I want to make sure I can return to stock regardless of what happens to my phone.

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You shouldn't have any problem hitting 4hrs SOT in 10 hours off the charger. I never have to charge this thing at work. I leave the house at 5am and don't plug it in until about 9pm.
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Thanks so much for the reply! This is exactly the info I'm looking for. Some questions though, how much are you on in it and how much are you using wifi during that time? Also, are you on a custom kernel/rom?
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dkeepitabuck said:
I just got my moto x pure two days ago. I came from using an S4 active which I still have. The turbo charing helps with the moto x. I'm still getting use to setting up my moto x the way I want it. You learn from trial and error. The main thing for me is that I want to make sure I can return to stock regardless of what happens to my phone.
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The charger is a good point at home but I can't have it at work, unfortunately.
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thejase said:
Thanks so much for the reply! This is exactly the info I'm looking for. Some questions though, how much are you on in it and how much are you using wifi during that time? Also, are you on a custom kernel/rom?
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I range from 3-5 hours of screen on time depending on my usage. If I'm at the 3 hr end, then I usually make it off the charger from 5am-9pm range with a bit of life left. If I'm at the 5 hr end I'll have to charge a decent amount sooner (maybe 5am-6pm) but it's still a full day's use. I've run completely stock and I've tried a few different Roms and Kernels...I've never seen a huge difference in battery life though.

5 hs.of SOT, 12 hs without a charger ( not in the first week of use) you need a minimal of 5 charge/discharge cycles
Its a excellent phone !! (sorry for my english)
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Altomugriento said:
5 hs.of SOT, 12 hs without a charger ( not in the first week of use) you need a minimal of 5 charge/discharge cycles
Its a excellent phone !! (sorry for my english)
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This is good to know but I will be purchasing it used so the cycles will be there already.

thejase said:
This is good to know but I will be purchasing it used so the cycles will be there already.
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Think about this advice if you change the ROM.
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thejase said:
I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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I just got my Moto XPE too. Battery life was one of my biggest concerns. I came from a moto e (that little thing had ridiculous battery life). I was worried because of all the complaints of short battery life but I can tell you this:
When I first used the phone (no root, mods, out anything) I got around 4 hours sot pretty easily. That's a little short for me but it isn't terrible. The phone got really warm though and I felt as if it was unoptimized and the CPU was doing more work than it needed to.
I proceeded to void my warranty and unlock the bootloader. First I did a little research on these big.LITTLE cpus then i used a (well pretty much the only established one) custom kernel, Frankenclark, to do a little tweaking.
All I did was turn touchboost off and make the lowest CPU frequency one step lower, as well as turning hotplug to where the screen on minimum CPU count is 1. There was basically no loss in performance and it doesn't even get as much as warm now. I can't give you stats on the long term battery life yet but in the time that I wrote this I only lost 2% ( I type slow ).
Before both the big and LITTLE CPU clusters were showing on and pretty much going crazy all the time. Now the big cluster is hardly ever on. The phone by default has touchboost set to turn on cpu1 (which is one of 2 cores in the big cluster) every time you touch the screen, which is very wasteful. (At least that's how it was with this kernel, I'm pretty sure stock did the same thing) I'm currently running TruPureX ROM (stock debloated) but I doubt it gives any battery life improvements. Motorola made a good stock rom. I really like this phone. Good luck with your purchase! PS the Nexus 6p has generally better battery life if you can live with no sdcard and the steeper price. The 6p can also move between carriers as the XPE can. Verizon included which is what I use.
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When you put this thing down, you can expect to pick it back up with the same battery % left. Standby is ridiculous, which is nice.

^^Does your screen on setting of 1 cpu stick? On mine with kernel editor it reverts back to 2 after a reboot.

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I just got my Moto XPE too. Battery life was one of my biggest concerns. I came from a moto e (that little thing had ridiculous battery life). I was worried because of all the complaints of short battery life but I can tell you this:
When I first used the phone (no root, mods, out anything) I got around 4 hours sot pretty easily. That's a little short for me but it isn't terrible. The phone got really warm though and I felt as if it was unoptimized and the CPU was doing more work than it needed to.
I proceeded to void my warranty and unlock the bootloader. First I did a little research on these big.LITTLE cpus then i used a (well pretty much the only established one) custom kernel, Frankenclark, to do a little tweaking.
All I did was turn touchboost off and make the lowest CPU frequency one step lower, as well as turning hotplug to where the screen on minimum CPU count is 1. There was basically no loss in performance and it doesn't even get as much as warm now. I can't give you stats on the long term battery life yet but in the time that I wrote this I only lost 2% ( I type slow ).
Before both the big and LITTLE CPU clusters were showing on and pretty much going crazy all the time. Now the big cluster is hardly ever on. The phone by default has touchboost set to turn on cpu1 (which is one of 2 cores in the big cluster) every time you touch the screen, which is very wasteful. (At least that's how it was with this kernel, I'm pretty sure stock did the same thing) I'm currently running TruPureX ROM (stock debloated) but I doubt it gives any battery life improvements. Motorola made a good stock rom. I really like this phone. Good luck with your purchase! PS the Nexus 6p has generally better battery life if you can live with no sdcard and the steeper price. The 6p can also move between carriers as the XPE can. Verizon included which is what I use.
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When you put this thing down, you can expect to pick it back up with the same battery % left. Standby is ridiculous, which is nice.
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This is incredible information! Thank you! Unfortunately, the 6p is just out of my price range.

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^^Does your screen on setting of 1 cpu stick? On mine with kernel editor it reverts back to 2 after a reboot.
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I think I remember it's a bug where it will stick if the screen is on while kernel adiutor is restoring the settings but it will revert to 2 cores if the screen is off while it's restoring. Don't quote me on it but I think that's what it was.
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thejase said:
This is incredible information! Thank you! Unfortunately, the 6p is just out of my price range.
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It was mine too. I got the 64GB MXP for the same price as the 16GB on amazon and I couldn't resist. It's nice to have an SDcard too :good:

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I think I remember it's a bug where it will stick if the screen is on while kernel adiutor is restoring the settings but it will revert to 2 cores if the screen is off while it's restoring. Don't quote me on it but I think that's what it was.
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If I set it 1 6 1 (min screen on cores: 1, max cores : 6, max screen off cores 1), the phone will reboot if I don't allow kernel auditor to apply the settings while screen is still on (after a reboot). That is, after phone reboots, if screen goes blank, when I hit the power button, phone will reboot on its own.
Probably not a major issue considering I only reboot about once every week or two. I can make sure I watch the cycle and unlock it, wait for everything to settle, then turn off the screen.

Guess what I just got? someone on eBay was selling the 64gb for 300 bucks in mint condition! Just can't beat it. Thanks to everyone for info and suggestions along the way. Any recommendations on cases and screen protectors? I've always like seidio for cases and whatever is highly rated on @maz0n for screen protectors but any advice would be appreciated!

I have seidio case and holster, I think they only sell one for it, and I love it.
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Ultimately I wound up getting a vena vskin that's see through. I really love it. Only problem is the back is curved life the phone so using it on a table with one hand swiping for SwiftKey makes it spin.
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