With how quickly the S4 got locked down, I am wondering if folks expect that the S5 will be locked down from the get go.
Would be pretty disappointing if we could not install custom recovery and load custom roms...
Its locked, thanks knox
hamad138 said:
Its locked, thanks knox
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Time to jump ship.
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Time to jump ship.
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Too bad one can't just turn it into a Dev device.
I wondered if it'd be crippled by Knox.......
Oh well....when I'm up for a new contract.....looks like it's gonna be Sony (as I don't like HTCs attitude toward the dev community either).
End of an era as it will be the first time I haven't used a Samsung phone in about 15 years........
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Bye bye Samsung for me after my Note 2.
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Its locked, thanks knox
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The S4 bootloader isn't locked by Knox, wherever you have read this it's a total BS.
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The S4 bootloader isn't locked by Knox, wherever you have read this it's a total BS.
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It may not be locked, but thanks to Knox it might as well be, as you can't touch it without triggering Knox.......
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It may not be locked, but thanks to Knox it might as well be, as you can't touch it without triggering Knox.......
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So you trigger Knox and nothing else happens, just can't use it anymore.
No....just the fact that there is un-erasable proof that you have voided your warranty...... which, on a premium priced phone is a bad idea. I know that for most phone modders, triggering Knox is an acceptable risk, but for the few that have unrelated failures of the device.....to find that they have no recourse would be a REAL issue.......
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No....just the fact that there is un-erasable proof that you have voided your warranty...... which, on a premium priced phone is a bad idea. I know that for most phone modders, triggering Knox is an acceptable risk, but for the few that have unrelated failures of the device.....to find that they have no recourse would be a REAL issue.......
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Knox warranty shouldn't be the same as device warranty. It only means that you can't use it anymore.
Samsung never locked bootloader , they just add knox warranty void counter which is isn't restoreable to 0 outside Samsung service center
AFAIK this dont void warranty in all countries but it will in most of them
I'm pretty sure I've read that the device can't be used on some company/business networks if Knox has been triggered......
I'm pretty sure I've *also* read that Samsung are going to try to use it as a breach of warranty too......
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I'm pretty sure I've read that the device can't be used on some company/business networks if Knox has been triggered......
I'm pretty sure I've *also* read that Samsung are going to try to use it as a breach of warranty too......
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Then it all goes down to how you approach them to request something. In the US it should be a hard time, but in the UE you are protected by the law, you can root your device freely. Here in Brazil they fixed my brick-bugged S2 under warranty.
Yeah....but a brick bugged device wouldn't power on, so there would be no way for Samsung to tell what OS you were using at the time it fried itself.......
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So as long as you don't care about using Knox or voiding your warranty, you can still root the S5 and use custom ROMs/bootloaders, right? I couldn't care less about warranties or Knox. It's been about a decade since I've used a warranty on one of my phones.
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So as long as you don't care about using Knox or voiding your warranty, you can still root the S5 and use custom ROMs/bootloaders, right? I couldn't care less about warranties or Knox. It's been about a decade since I've used a warranty on one of my phones.
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Exactly.
Yeah....I said that a few posts back.....for *most* people it won't matter.....but for the inevitable few who have unrelated device failure AFTER rooting, it's gonna cause problems.......
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ITT: people whining about warranty because they can't hide their theft of service anymore, as they did since the S2 three years ago. ( Triangle away anyone? )
Whining? HOW RUDE ARE YOU?
FACT....phones DO suffer hardware failures.
FACT....Samsung will deny liability for a 'modified' phone that needs repair......
'And Theft of service?'.......how *exactly* is rooting 'theft of service?'.......
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Hello, I got issue with my phone and can't connect it to any computer, tired all different drives and 5 USB cables on 5 diffrent computers, and can't use Odin to unroot it.
Tried to search at the forums and checked many threads found by google and didn't find way to unroot the phone from SD card.
I will really appreciate if someone can help me with it.
Thanks.
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Hello, I got issue with my phone and can't connect it to any computer, tired all different drives and 5 USB cables on 5 diffrent computers, and can't use Odin to unroot it.
Tried to search at the forums and checked many threads found by google and didn't find way to unroot the phone from SD card.
I will really appreciate if someone can help me with it.
Thanks.
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Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32dOsaIrdEc
Same problem here, I try to conect my epic to odin and it just won't appear no matter what I do
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You can unroot by following the method in qbking77's video but remember it will not change your modem. If you have the EC05 modem you are good. If you have a leaked GB modem and wish to go to Sprint hope for a lazy tech that won't check your baseband.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027904
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here's a little tip,
WE DONT CARE IF YOUR ROOTED OR MODIFIED!
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here's a little tip,
WE DONT CARE IF YOUR ROOTED OR MODIFIED!
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Really, you can speak for all of sprint people?
I had to go through Asurion and pay $100 because they wouldn't work with my rooted phone when it had a physical defect un-related to any software issue.
I'll be more than happy to work with you to get my $100 back, other than that don't tell people it's ok.
What was the issue you might ask? My phone stopped communicating with any computer, same as OP. They blamed it on me flashing/rooting and therefore wouldn't work with it.
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here's a little tip,
WE DONT CARE IF YOUR ROOTED OR MODIFIED!
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You must mean after Sprint makes them pay the $100 deductible. We were talking about warranty repairs which of course are considered void on a rooted phone.
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It worked, thanks for the video, getting a new phone in a few days.
I've said this several times, so please take it to heart.
As service and repair technicians, our M&P (methods and procedures) states that rooted and modified phones DO NOT void any sort of warranty. This was just recently changed several months ago. It wast publicly announced for obvious reasons. Manufacturer warranty, I can't speak for that. But if you pay for TEP, being rooted DOES NOT void your TEP extended warranty.
Any sprint rep or tech who tells you otherwise and refers you to asurion is WRONG or MISINFORMED or LAZY. Please tell them and their manager to refer to their phone triage M&P.
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Actually, a point of clarification, our M&P never explicitly states anything regarding warranty, rather they hide that fact in verbage.
It states how to troubleshoot and repair a rooted device, and what "tier" it falls into (a quick fix/a free fix if you have TEP or 35 if you dont/a fix that needs claimed with asurion if you have TEP or screwed if you don't). Rooted devices (so long as there's no liquidd damage or accidental damage) fall into tier 2, which means a free fix at the S&R location if you have TEP or $35 if you don't.
Sooo...put 2 and 2 together..this means (implicitly) that root is does not void the terms of your extended warranty through TEP.
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Thank you for that Squishy...it seems a lot of techs didn't get the memo and try to get that $100 deductible. I am sure this info you provided will help a lot of people stuck rooted.
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Thank you for that Squishy...it seems a lot of techs didn't get the memo and try to get that $100 deductible. I am sure this info you provided will help a lot of people stuck rooted.
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No problem
Well it's to keep their exchange rate down, I imagine. That bit of info doesn't come without forewarning, however. Sprint still strongly discourages it.
For instance, latest rumor I heard here is that if you own a 3D and go through HTC's official unlock method, your ESN is flagged in the system for things regarding free tethering and the like. So there is still risk assumed by rooting.
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No problem
Well it's to keep their exchange rate down, I imagine. That bit of info doesn't come without forewarning, however. Sprint still strongly discourages it.
For instance, latest rumor I heard here is that if you own a 3D and go through HTC's official unlock method, your ESN is flagged in the system for things regarding free tethering and the like. So there is still risk assumed by rooting.
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Makes me want to keep the Epic forever...lol.
Hi all,
Over the past week I have been struggling with an inadvertent partial upgrade from MDL -> MF3 (The saga is in several other threads).
It left my phone soft bricked with only Odin mode avaliable. Samsung has not and apparently will not make the MF3 update available via kies.
In the end I made a warranty claim which AT&T honored with no argument or resistance.
The new phone (refurbished) arrived today.
It came with MF3 loaded.
Be aware that they are shipping phones already updated.
I do not know if this is true of the fresh (new) stock or only part of the refurb process...
Keep this in mind when making a warranty claim.
Good luck.
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... It came with MF3 loaded. ...
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It's really sad to hear this, but thank you for sharing this with everyone. Very useful information when people are considering Warranty replacements right now.
Also, don't lose all hope, because the bounties are increasing, and Verizon apparently just got root again with their latest update. :fingers-crossed:
I have absoulute faith that a hole will be found.
My experience as a developer (started with a TRS-80 model 1 with 4k ram) has taught me that all programs have bugs/holes.
An old proverb taught me by a professor when I declared a program perfect on a PDP-11, written in Oregon Pascal "All programs have at least one bug and can be reduced by one instruction and therefore can be reduced to one instruction that does not work." :-O
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SaltyFoam said:
"All programs have at least one bug and can be reduced by one instruction and therefore can be reduced to one instruction that does not work.
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bomb professor :good:
SaltyFoam said:
Hi all,
Over the past week I have been struggling with an inadvertent partial upgrade from MDL -> MF3 (The saga is in several other threads).
It left my phone soft bricked with only Odin mode avaliable. Samsung has not and apparently will not make the MF3 update available via kies.
In the end I made a warranty claim which AT&T honored with no argument or resistance.
The new phone (refurbished) arrived today.
It came with MF3 loaded.
Be aware that they are shipping phones already updated.
I do not know if this is true of the fresh (new) stock or only part of the refurb process...
Keep this in mind when making a warranty claim.
Good luck.
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How do you know its a refurb?
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ahfu25 said:
How do you know its a refurb?
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because thats what you get as a warranty replacement. a phone only, no back cover or battery. i'm assuming that's what the OP meant when he referenced "refurb"
It was explicitly stated by att rep.
Other than that I can not say.
Is there an indication on the phone label?
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Exactly.
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bomb professor :good:
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Yeah dude was intense... PhD in history of science, into fossils and a collection of several thousand jazz LPs which fueled his radio show, and, on topic, "developed virus interdiction firmware"
His obit is intense...
Dr. Warren Watson, Antioch College, Yellow Springs, Ohio...
http://ysnews.com/news/2009/04/warren-watson
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Lucky me...my warranty replacement came with MDL!! Back to rooting and def freezing the auto update
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ahfu25 said:
Lucky me...my warranty replacement came with MDL!! Back to rooting and def freezing the auto update
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Mine did too, got it in the mail a week ago yesterday, had old firmware on it.. Had it rooted and apps froze before I even stuck the SIM card in.
Lets see how this works out for me. Had to do a warranty claim today "damn data issues" ill be one of the few to get mf3 knowing my luck..
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Hey guys. I have been lurking this forum for the past couple weeks and from what I have acquired, it doesn't look like there is going to be a guaranteed way to bypass Knox. So it seems like I have the decision of either voiding my warranty permanently or dealing with an awesome phone undermined by bloatware.
So here is the question, is there any other downsides to having Knox 0x1?
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Hey guys. I have been lurking this forum for the past couple weeks and from what I have acquired, it doesn't look like there is going to be a guaranteed way to bypass Knox. So it seems like I have the decision of either voiding my warranty permanently or dealing with an awesome phone undermined by bloatware.
So here is the question, is there any other downsides to having Knox 0x1?
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None that are currently known.
KNOX won't work in the secure container environment.
Can't encrypt phone properly or at all
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radicalisto said:
KNOX won't work in the secure container environment.
Can't encrypt phone properly or at all
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Yeah, that's true. I thought the post was referring to some hidden drawback. I don't use Knox myself, and I don't know anyone who does, but I suppose it has a purpose for a select few. It would be interesting to see just what percentage of Note 3 or S4 users are actually using the Knox container.
Unless you own a company, or work in a company that uses high level IT security, no one cares about knox. We've lived without knox for long before and no one ever died
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Yeah, that's true. I thought the post was referring to some hidden drawback. I don't use Knox myself, and I don't know anyone who does, but I suppose it has a purpose for a select few. It would be interesting to see just what percentage of Note 3 or S4 users are actually using the Knox container.
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The only people using it I'd say, would be people who are given it as a work phone. Or people who are curious about how it works and fired it up to test it - I tested it -
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In a conversation with a verizon salesman he told me this http://imgur.com/WlmNyl3
he probably doesn't know what you mean. he probably means like global unlocked.
the past few samsung devices have locked bootloaders, and verizon doesn't go around that. that, plus KNOX means the GS5 WILL have a locked bootloader, and we'll have to do some loki stuff to get around it like with the GS4/Note 3 etc
Knox has nothing to do with a locked bootloader.
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Knox has nothing to do with a locked bootloader.
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Yes. And I WISH the Note 3 had loki.... That's definitely not true either.
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Knox has nothing to do with a locked bootloader.
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Yes but isn't the whole point of Knox to be more secure? with Knox even existing, why would verizon allow an unlock able bootloader when they never did before?
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jayochs said:
Yes but isn't the whole point of Knox to be more secure? with Knox even existing, why would verizon allow an unlock able bootloader when they never did before?
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My Galaxy Nexus from Verizon has a unlocked boot loader.
So yes, they have allowed it.
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My Galaxy Nexus from Verizon has a unlocked boot loader.
So yes, they have allowed it.
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That is also a Nexus phone.
The catch being Samsung and Verizon want enterprise adoption of the device, so like the S4, it will very likely be locked by same design.
No such concern with the Nexus.
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Yes. And I WISH the Note 3 had loki.... That's definitely not true either.
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Yes but isn't the whole point of Knox to be more secure? with Knox even existing, why would verizon allow an unlock able bootloader when they never did before?
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That's not the point Knox is used for those secure businesses. It any way does it mean with having Knox means the bootloader is gna be locked. A bootloader can be unlocked with Knox still present but there is the Knox warranty that you would want to avoid of course.
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Does the dev s4 have Knox? There's your answer
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That's not the point Knox is used for those secure businesses. It any way does it mean with having Knox means the bootloader is gna be locked. A bootloader can be unlocked with Knox still present but there is the Knox warranty that you would want to avoid of course.
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You Tell em Vato. Get the M8.. You can flash what you want.
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Knox has nothing to do with a locked bootloader.
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Yeah like others really said about this.
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Does the dev s4 have Knox? There's your answer
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Did you men about Verizon Samsung Galaxy S5 KNOX ?
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In a conversation with a verizon salesman he told me this http://imgur.com/WlmNyl3
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I appreciate you sharing, but answers from a Verizon sales rep are about as meaningful as those from rolling a magic 8 ball. They very rarely have even the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. Actually since you have made the effort to visit this forum, chances are you already know more than they do.
I fully expect the VZ bootloader to come locked up tight. Hopefully we can get it unlocked as fast as the M8 did. I could care less about Knox or my warranty.
Actually since you have made the effort to visit this forum, chances are you already know more than they do.
yeah about this its a fact!
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I appreciate you sharing, but answers from a Verizon sales rep are about as meaningful as those from rolling a magic 8 ball. They very rarely have even the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. Actually since you have made the effort to visit this forum, chances are you already know more than they do.
I fully expect the VZ bootloader to come locked up tight. Hopefully we can get it unlocked as fast as the M8 did. I could care less about Knox or my warranty.
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Hoping and wishing ain't going to make it happen - look no further than the VZN S4 / Note 3. If not for the loki exploit on the initial S4 release, AOSP Roms would be unavailable. Check out the Original Android Development section on the VZN Note 3.....that is most likely the future of the S5. Be happy with TW or get a Dev Edition - probably your only options.
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Hoping and wishing ain't going to make it happen - look no further than the VZN S4 / Note 3.Be happy with TW or get a Dev Edition - probably your only options.
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i will be happy with DEV edition..
Bootloader WIP
On the alliance rom page for the retail gs5, i saw a reply on a WIP bootloader. Idk if im the only one who saw this or some****, but I am extremely phyiched for it, and even that there is "progress" gives me some hope. CANT WAIT!!!
To start off, I know that rooting will trip the Knox counter (as of now) thus voiding my Samsung warranty.
What I would like to know is if this really matters, since I pay for insurance through my carrier (MetroPCS) any issues I have can be solved that way. Yes there would be a deductible but I wouldn't mind that so much as I would like having a rooted s5.
Thanks in advance for your time
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tbh most insurance companies look for any way out of paying claims no way to know till you try to claim unless we have an assessor as an xda member who can shed more light on the subject.
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Yeah I think they might be checking, we just don't have much information on it. Users never report back. If I'm you I wouldn't root just yet, might make your insurance monthly payment null
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They cant check if the phone is lost or stolen....
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Very good points from all of you
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Goldie said:
They cant check if the phone is lost or stolen....
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Pretty much.. Sending it or not they will charge you same amount.
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