No 5.1-channel surround audio - M.O.J.O. General
NO 5.1-channel surround audio in TV Shows and Movies.
I just bought a Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and now i see that i have
NO 5.1 audio, when you put on your website:
Hear thatcatchy background music or those killer sound effects loud
and clear, with support for 5.1-channel surround audio.
http://madcatz.com/mojo/en-us/
http://madcatz.com/pressroom/m-o-j-o-android-micro-console/
So you are lying?
Because i also do not see Enable Passthrough in Settings/Audio.
I hope you can help in some way, i tried XBMC 13.0 ALPHA11,
and used MX Player with the 5.1 audio codec and Archos
Video with Codects, and i only hear and see Stereo sound or
Multichannel sound on my Receiver and not 5.1 audio, tried AC3
5.1 audio and DTS 5.1 audio.
I also have a MeLE M9 and there we have with XBMC Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master,
and with TvdVideo Player Dolby Digital and DTS, and that Android TV BOX cost only $110.64 and with the
Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse it cost only $134.55.
I bought the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. as a replacement for my MeLE M9, but know i can do less with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
then with the MeLE M9.
UPDATE: With MX Player and DTS Codec we have Dolby Digital and DTS (not Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master) on our Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
So it is getting better and better, but still not perfect.
MX Player
DTX Codec
We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
Mad Catz Rich said:
We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but
we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
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Then why put on your website that it supports 5.1-channel surround audio, because that was the main reason i bought this device, and that means Dolby
digital and DTS, you cannot get multichannel 5.1 sound without does audio codecs, just pay them for the sounds just like MeLE has don, and there device cost
only $110.
So if you get no 5.1 multichannel then i sent it back to the store, because to pay that much money and not get 5.1 sound support is absurd, and very cheap of
you guys, then just say on your website ONLY Stereo and never 5.1 sound.
Even the Playstation 3 has Dolby digital and DTS, and that one cost the same as this device.
DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
Mad Catz Rich said:
DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
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I see MULTICH and PCM and in movies i only get 2.0 audio.
I have used allot of sound test files and i never hear my back and center speaker and subwoofer in movies.
But i hear in the Google Play Music App 5.0, but not in movie players, so how to get 5.1 sound in movie players?
I used does 7.1 and 5.1 24bit/48kHz multichannel wav files:
http://www.jensign.com/bdp95/7dot1voiced/
But TV shows and Movies don't have Linear PCM codec, and the Playstation 3 and 4 can do the decoding true Linear PCM, but what i can see is that the Mad
Catz M.O.J.O. cannot do the decoding, so you're answer is a little bit still don't you think, but what i can read is that you cannot hear the difference
between Linear PCM and DTS(-HD Master).
But why can't you just buy a license for Dolby Digital and DTS, just like MeLE and VidON has don?
Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
Mad Catz Rich said:
Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
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That may be but i do not have it in movies, and sorry to say but people do not buy it so that they can listen to some (and i mean almost non) 5.1 music,
they buy also you device to look at movies with 5.1 sound, not only to play games on it.
Same for Xbox and Playstation, allot of people also use it to look at movies with it.
And it is ****y to put loud and clear with full support for 5.1-channel surround audio, on your website, because that is bad advertisement.
So i called the store and tomorrow they are gone take it of my hands, and get my money back.
Now i just gone use my MeLE more also for gaming, gone use my Logitech cordless rumblepad 2, and Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse.
I hope you all good luck, but if you are someone that likes to look at movies allot then stay away from this product.
Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
Mad Catz Rich said:
Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
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HAHA yes of course, but still it's bad advertisement, If you really want to be honest you put on your website that it cannot play movies and TV Shows in 5.1-channel surround audio, then you are honest.
As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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Come on will you, ALL TV shows and Movies are Dolby digital and DTS and more, and Dolby digital is not 5.1 on the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. only Stereo.
Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
Mad Catz Rich said:
Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
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Strange because the MKV movie(s) i played that had AC3 5.1 (is Dolby digital) played in Stereo, and yes i have Dolby Pro Logic IIx, but DTS or DTS-HD Master sounds MUCH better then Dolby Pro Logic IIx.
But it doesn't matter, i do not have the MadCatz M.O.J.O. anymore, it went back to the store.
But why do you sell a Android TV Box that has no video players installed on it, with Codec packs so you can hear sound if you play Movies with Dolby
Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master, that is very strange.
All and i mean all the Android TV Boxes out of china have them already installed, so that it works good on there Hardware.
Like the very popular MINIX NEO X5 and MINIX NEO X7, and MeLE M9 and MeLE A1000G.
And yes gaming on then is the same as on the MadCatz M.O.J.O., you buy a PS3 GPS3CT01 (Gamepad) for $14.00 at tinydeal, and can play all the
games that has Gamepad support, and more with a air mouse, that comes with the Android TV Boxes.
MOJO is a completely open system onto which you can install any media player that you like. We do make recommendations (such as linking to the apk for MXPlayer on our getting started site, linked on the homescreen of MOJO) but ultimately it's your box to do with as you wish.
Regarding gaming being the same, well that's already not true with a lot of the latest games coming out and the gap is only going to get wider with some of the apps we know are coming this year.
Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Ok then, but can you please buy a DTS pass so that we can hear all the audio codecs, just like MeLE and VidOn has don?
Related
To users with sound problems while playing .mkv's
The problem is coming from the lack of support for surround sound audio streams. When you encode your videos for your xoom, make sure you set the audio to stereo.
Yes.. but what about pass thru over hdmi. Someone has gotta try that one out. I've been meaning to test out 2 channel ac3. Its possible ac3 is a no-go overall
Dolby Digital passthrough on Genesis (Kodi) not working
My setup is HDMI to my Vizio E65 and optical to my Onkyo receiver that is DTS and Dolby capable. I get Dolby passthrough from my PS3 and my DirectTV Genie with no problems. I only get Pro Logic when streaming HD content through Kodi on the Genesis Specto Fork. I have read that other people have been getting passthrough with Kodi. I have the audio settings set to passthrough but all I get is a 2 channel audio feed. Am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated.
allroy75 said: My setup is HDMI to my Vizio E65 and optical to my Onkyo receiver that is DTS and Dolby capable. I get Dolby passthrough from my PS3 and my DirectTV Genie with no problems. I only get Pro Logic when streaming HD content through Kodi on the Genesis Specto Fork. I have read that other people have been getting passthrough with Kodi. I have the audio settings set to passthrough but all I get is a 2 channel audio feed. Am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated. Click to expand... Click to collapse you need to go into "system=system=audio output" settings in kodi, make sure you click on settings level "expert" left side bottom you will see all the audio options there
Thanks for the input. I had already found the expert settings and have it set up to pass though but still get 2 channel on all movies and shows on Genesis. I'm starting to think maybe its the content on Genesis. Any suggestions of other content that I could try that would in Dolby Digital?
Pretty sure its just the content you're watching. Try downloading something (legally of course!) that has the audio quality you are looking for and playing that through KODI. I'm able to bitstream DTS-MA via KODI with no issues via HDMI to my Denon AVR with content that has that audio format.
Thanks for the advice. I'd like to try that but I don't know where to find content that I know would have Dolby digital.....Any ideas?
Surround Sound on YouTube
So I've never really noticed before until I was setting up my amp and speakers at a new place but my YouTube seems to be only doing stereo on the Shield. Netflix has the 5.1 working but I can't get surround to work in YouTube. I have hdmi out to the AVR and then hdmi to tv. The AVR is set to Direct, meaning that it will do whatever the signal is coming over the HDMI cable. It's saying that it's PCM. Checked settings but didn't find any specific output settings on the Shield or the YouTube app. I was just wondering if this was normal. I don't REALLY need 5.1 in YouTube.
afaik youtube doesnt support surround sound... same thing on mine also.
pauliebb said: afaik youtube doesnt support surround sound... same thing on mine also. Click to expand... Click to collapse Thank you.
HOWEVER! I've read recently that youtube is about to start streaming in 360 and adding binaural sound support... so maybe something will come off of that and it'll lead to better sound support all around. (pun unintended.)
pauliebb said: HOWEVER! I've read recently that youtube is about to start streaming in 360 and adding binaural sound support... so maybe something will come off of that and it'll lead to better sound support all around. (pun unintended.) Click to expand... Click to collapse That would be good. It sucks that running the 5.1 test videos on youtube just plays in stereo.
Audio lag
Has anyone noticed any issues with audio lag? When using MAME and MD.emu I see a delay between the action on screen and the sound effects, possibly 150-200ms. I know my TV introduces a delay when processing sound in AC-3 (I had to set my Blu-ray player to PCM audio to stop this). Is the MOJO sending audio in AC-3 by default, and if so is it possible to force the MOJO to send PCM audio via HDMI? I'm only connected to a stereo amp, so have no need for surround audio.
So is nobody else getting any audio lag? This is really frustrating me, to the point where I can't use it for what I intended (accurate emulation) and I'm considering selling it. Shame, as it has so much promise.
An Audiophiles Thread
Hello, I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device. I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out? I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC. The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing. Am I missing some settings? Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output? Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted? Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
mlknez said: Hello, I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device. I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out? I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC. The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing. Am I missing some settings? Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output? Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted? Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20? Click to expand... Click to collapse Whoa. Sounds like you are a connoisseur of good music, high fidelity audio files, and equipment that gives great sound quality. You've opened a new door for me to venture through. Curious to hear what others will reply to this thread...
mlknez said: Hello, I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device. I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out? I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC. The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing. Am I missing some settings? Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output? Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted? Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20? Click to expand... Click to collapse Have you tried the stock music app? Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk
Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
mrwinkle13 said: Have you tried the stock music app? Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk Click to expand... Click to collapse The stock music app for the Sprint variant is Google Play Music
douger1957 said: Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is.. Click to expand... Click to collapse Thanks for the suggestion but you are incorrect. It will only play PCM files and not beyond 48khz.
Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself. I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player. TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
Anarchaotic said: Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself. I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player. TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using Click to expand... Click to collapse I am going to cancel my GPM too now that I have the 20 and just use tidal for streaming way better. Hoping they were going to have a better dac in the pixel and upgrade the music on GPM but didn't happen.
I don't have a subscription to the google play music service. I just have the app on the phone and it is the ONLY music player that comes with the phone. It is horrible for playing local music files.
Neutron. Try neutron first and see what happens. And maybe mx player pro though mx is more for video than audio but the type of audio you're using is something that might be embedded in a video file. Worth a shot.
Anyone have issues with gapless playback? I've tried it with PowerAmp and Black Player and neither work. Only time it seems to work is if I intentionally skip to the last few seconds of a song to test it. My music is on my SD card but that really shouldn't be an issue.
Unfortunately, my suspicions were confirmed about the implementation of the ES9218 DAC: The following is from the developer of the NeutronMP player: According your logs (Thank you for making them!) OS declares only one (!!!) frequency - 48000 kHz. You can see it in logs: [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: device 0 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: id = 1 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: type = 1 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: name = LG-LS997 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is sink = 1 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is source = 0 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: channels [1]: [13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 1 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample rates [1]: [13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 48000 [13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample types [1]: [13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 2 It means firmware does not expose Hi-Fi DAC via this new API. Why LG can not make it and expose DAC and solve the problem with using full potential of the device - puzzle. Neutron would use it automatically if DAC is exposed by the firmware.
Hi guys, and thanks for your information. Can someone point us toward how to use an equalizer effectively? I believe many times folks who put down simply don't understand how to maximize the benefits. In terms of real cans I have HE400s. In terms of ear buds I have the BOs and a set of HE600 ear buds. How do I understand how to maximize my sound and how do I use an equalizer (with Nuetron or other apps). Thanks Guys
Do some research. Look at the frequency response of the source you're using and the frequency response of the cans you're using. Go from there. Unless you're a tech head st this and have proper equipment it is a little testing and tweaking. Like if you're mids are low on the source and cans you want up the frequencies in the mid range to get it back. But if you doing it blindly then it's a lot testing and tweaking.