I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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epsix said:
I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
Can't say I'm suprised in the least. It's supposed to be Tmobile exclusive flag ship. That said it's not the first locked bootloader the world has seen. Is just a matter of time before someone figures out a workaround.
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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nightfox11 said:
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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I doubt it, since the internal memory layout is different.
Rekoil said:
It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
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Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
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Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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On locked bootloader should be no problem, the root come soon. Someone just complain because of permanently locked bootloader and no custom kernels for them.
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
Agreed. Rooting is essential at the very least.
Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
We chose this device for superior styling, specs, and build quality. And i hope i speak for others too when i say that i jumped to T-Mobile (despite concerns of service quality) because i was tired of the service i was receiving from my old carrier. I am thus far very pleased.
John Legere claims that all his grand ideas were the result of listening to customers carrier woes. Honestly he is the reason i switched. Not because i think T-Mobile will be the best carrier, but because i think he can/will change the industry and that deserves a little faith. Well i think it's time for John to have a little faith in us.
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Honestly we should write a letter to Mr Legere with attached signatures from users of all android devices petitioning for the unlocking of bootloaders on all currently supported and future handsets.
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock? Hell they could require that the handset be paid off or that the user be enrolled in the jump program (insured).
We need to show manufacturers and carriers how big the Android modding community is and let them see that this community is the future of android and all mobile device development.
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oxidax said:
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
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Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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POMF2K said:
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock?
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Yes, you are correct.
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Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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Thats great then! Its my first time with a non nexus phone so thats why im like freaking out lol!
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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Has there been much dev progress here? As soon as someone dumps a FTF, C6906s can start flashing them and seeing what breaks. I have an AT&T sim card, though, so I can't really help. I ended up with a Telus C6906 anyway, so it's locked BL.
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Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
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Honestly, I don't think they want to win the "discerning and technical" crowd so much as they just want a big market share. The portion of the marketshare who cares about root/unlock BL/customization is not big enough for them to fight carriers and keep the product financially viable. The carriers are going to push way more sales volume than Sony could on their own, so Sony has to appease them. If it wanted to, maybe Sony could become the Tesla of handsets (distribution without dealerships), but there's no precedent or market case for all that leg work.
Never get a phone without permission to unlock bootloader guys
if u want a cheap phone, just get parallel version
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, so it's locked BL..
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It's locked permanently or can be unlocked?
Technically, "carrier bootloader locked." As in, "bootloader unlock allowed: no". The official unlock procedure doesn't work, obviously, but I'm confident that this is possible to reverse.
I've been doing some research on how to bypass this (talking to Sony dev, reviewing how it was done on the Z), but haven't had much time since the holidays to actually hack the hardware yet.
Never huge fan of Sony, I only purchased this cause its water resistance. After seeing how easy it is to brick this device, i wouldn't even try to unlock BL even if it's unlockable. But really wants root though. :thumbup:
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The following was posted about 30 minutes ago on the Moto forums by forum manager Mark:
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1,360. Jul 7, 2011 1:23 PM (in response to berzerker)
When is the next firmware update to gingerbread 2.3. Let's try to stay on topic, and have fun.
1. It's kind of a loaded question. "about to start" and "a while" mean different things to different people. No lie, it's difficult to manage everyone's expectations. I don't want to set the wrong expectations. Mis-interpretation just leads to frustration and further pessimism. I don't want to promise something that I don't have the control over delivery. I wouldn't expect any soak sign-up, at minimum, for another week. Soon as we get closer to soak I'll invite everyone.
2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it. This isn't specific to any product or carrier. Further details will be released as they are known.
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https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45654?start=1350&tstart=0
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Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
CaelanT said:
Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
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AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
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They do? Which ones? Last I checked, all sorts of phones have locked bootloaders. It's just that Moto's the only one who actually does more than simply lock it.
If the soak test sign ups started in a week, you could look at soak testing starting a week later, and if past updates are anything to go by, an update another week later if all went well. That puts the GB update at in the last week of July.
On the locked bootloader, a lot of people said they will not unlock until they get the official update enabling this, so although many of us are already locked, many people are probably getting screwed. Might push them to just unlock now.
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Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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In a sense, yes. A question, and then my thoughts.
While the AT&T bootloader can be unlocked now, is it possible (not likely, just possible) from a technical standpoint, that Moto could release a GB update that would prevent pudding from working? Say GB is release next week. A month from now a guy buys an Atrix, pulls it out the box with GB. Could that GB update prevent him from unlocking the bootloader? I think it's possible this could happen.
Further, my thoughts are that there is concern for future Moto devices on AT&T. We have a reasonable solution now, for this phone. What about future Moto devices? I don't think AT&T would allow such an unlock.
ClearFire said:
AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
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Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
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Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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I agree, they are just trying to think that there are fools out there who will believe there BS reasons.
Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
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Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
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No way... Wow. Those Droid 3 users are going to raise a **** storm
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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My theory on this is that carriers were willing to subsidize manufacturers' bootloader lockdowns that ensured the carrier bloatware would remain installed and stuff like tethering could be mitigated. Perhaps AT&T paid Motorola more than other manufacturers, so it's a matter of arguing over money.
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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Unlocked, or unlockable? If they are unlocked out of the box... I don't know. Maybe if presented with a choice (what Moto is doing), they would say no. But they wouldn't push for it up front. Maybe?? I don't know.
I still think they are just unlockable, and not unlocked out of the box. HTC allows for an unlock solution (my guess is so does Samsung). Not sure on LG. Moto decides to ask carrier permission.
I still see no reason why AT&T would approve such a thing. We haven't had a carrier-sold Nexus, and I'm not holding out hope we will. Look at how AT&T has crippled Android before: no sideloading, limiting apps, etc. And now you think they'll play nice with everyone?? LOL
I respect you, and I respect your opinion. I politely disagree. I don't think AT&T is the most advanced-user-friendly carrier (or dev-friendly, but we're not all devs here). Moto is certainly not the most dev friendly with the efuse and locked bootloaders. Combine the two and it's a damn mess. Shame, because I really like this lapdock feature that Moto wants to do more of.
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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because Motorola encrypts them with signed keys ...
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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Correct. Wife has Inspire and it's locked.
Have to create gold card to unlock it.
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To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
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Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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yeah man, same here just waiting for the custom ROM's to come.
Let's see
We can root it.
And fastboot recognizes our phone. It's kinda like we're missing something.
It's like those ****ers at Verizon are teasing us.
And does the D2 method work on this?
yep they are hell we can root it but can not install cm7. the roms we can install i dont thank are that good every one i ask online says cm7 is the best but i am hoping that they will make one we can flash with out having the bootloader unlocked because us R800X users can not do that (with out paying and thats something im not going to do)
what we need are more roms that are good and work with out haveing are bootloader unlocked i got the phone because i was thinking it was fun and it is and i was thinking i was going to be puting cm7 or ICS OS will i can not do ether of them and as of right now it sucks haveing the R800X i hope i can get something like a ICS like CM9 or at lest CM7 ya know
I am seriously about to pay the money though. Sure our nandroid roms are cool but I want CM9
I think you people should protest, they use you for money and dont care about user experience, be unbranded!!
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wissamidrissi said:
I think you people should protest, they use you for money and dont care about user experience, be unbranded!!
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I protested by unlocking my R800x's bootloader.
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I protested by unlocking my R800x's bootloader.
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This.
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DubleJayJ said:
I am seriously about to pay the money though. Sure our nandroid roms are cool but I want CM9
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others get to do it for free y do we have to pay so i dont think you need to pay the money for it because there has to be a way to get it for free and they do not have a CM9 working for the R800x yet only CM7
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markcyst said:
I protested by unlocking my R800x's bootloader.
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I dont know y you have to be mean about it unless your offering to unlock are bootloaders thats not right for you to say that just to piss us off
This thread is pointless.
What no one understands is that the Xperia line is not like other phones.
Kernels will NEVER be able to be flashed via CWM on this phone.
Xperias do not have a boot portion onboard the system
To install ROMs like CM7, you MUST install a different kernel.
Sure, no one likes to pay.
But what other options do you have?
You can unlock by paying now, or you can try to wait it out
A free method will never come again.
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Leraeniesh said:
This thread is pointless.
What no one understands is that the Xperia line is not like other phones.
Kernels will NEVER be able to be flashed via CWM on this phone.
Xperias do not have a boot portion onboard the system
To install ROMs like CM7, you MUST install a different kernel.
Sure, no one likes to pay.
But what other options do you have?
You can unlock by paying now, or you can try to wait it out
A free method will never come again.
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Couldnt agree more. This will be a never ending debate. Anyone with a locked bootloader has (2) options .. a) Unlock your Bootloader .. b) Take the time to Learn how to develop a rom that you would like for your locked down phone.
Plus we're on Verizon, did you really think they would make it easy for ya?
Point of this thread was to discuss how Verizon gave us 99% of what we need,( fastboot and root) then tease us by not giving us the other 1%( IMEI or free way to unlock )
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Point of this thread was to discuss how Verizon gave us 99% of what we need,( fastboot and root) then tease us by not giving us the other 1%( IMEI or free way to unlock )
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... you know imei is the identifier for GSM phones, so there is no way any phone that is built for CDMA networks will have an imei, correct? ...
Oh, and Verizon has done their best to deny root (2.3.2 blocked gingerbreak, the old way to root. Zergrush was developed after 2.3.3 was released)
We didn't actually have fastboot enabled, on a stock phone.
So, actually Verizon did their very best to lock down the phone, and only due to the awesomeness of developers and unlockers on XDA, do we have the any freedom at all.
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Point of this thread was to discuss how Verizon gave us 99% of what we need,( fastboot and root) then tease us by not giving us the other 1%( IMEI or free way to unlock )
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While that may be your intent. This statement makes clear that you don't even understand the situation. Until you, and anyone else who would make a thread like this, either decides to read more (or quit posting) we will continue to have unproductive threads like this. Though I don't suppose you consider this unproductive...and THAT is the real problem here.
Let me make one thing clear for you. Verizon, gave you nothing. You sir, or whomever pays your cell bill are paying for quite a bit. But not on that list is the freedom to do what you will with your phone.
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I can't imagine having a branded phone now... having to pay to unlock the bootloader, Unbranded forever.
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I can't imagine having a branded phone now... having to pay to unlock the bootloader, Unbranded forever.
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Yeah, I'm living it. I feel like it's a tease just for this reason. I look around here, knowing that I'm not going to *be able* to pay to unlock my bootloader, as I'm unemployed and in High School, I find some cool threads involving the R800x. I forget about needing a different kernel, and the developer doesn't thoroughly explain it enough to the point where I have to find that out the hard way.
Then I find some new customization apps, like maybe a new launcher and other stuff and realize that not having a custom ROM isn't all that bad, especially since R800x came with pure Vanilla Android, with customization at it's best. I eventually get bored with the setup on my phone after noticing some new features that are only available on custom ROMs, most commonly Theme Chooser with CyanogenMod, or MIUI in general, then the cycle repeats. I just can't learn... Silly me!
i just think the R800x should be able to unlock there bootloaders for free just like the other xperia plays because im just like the one guy that posted i dont have the money to pay to unlock my boot loader. it sucks being stuck using the 2.3.3 update win others get to use the cm7 with the 2.3.7 update it sucks for us it sucks bad
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i just think the R800x should be able to unlock there bootloaders for free just like the other xperia plays because im just like the one guy that posted i dont have the money to pay to unlock my boot loader. it sucks being stuck using the 2.3.3 update win others get to use the cm7 with the 2.3.7 update it sucks for us it sucks bad
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Its not the greatest thing.
But its not something to complain about either.
Either pay your dues, or attempt to find another way.
Whiney bunch of kids - you think everyone owes you something. Why don't you get off your pathetic whiny butts and get a job? Then you can afford to unlock it. It's like the cost of a couple of pizzas.
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Whiney bunch of kids - you think everyone owes you something. Why don't you get off your pathetic whiny butts and get a job? Then you can afford to unlock it. It's like the cost of a couple of pizzas.
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Yeah my god you guys whine! i got a gsm r800i which was bootloader and sim locked to O2, i had to pay to unlock the bootloader. Its only $24
Either stick with stock, or unlock the bootloader. The advantage with this method is that you keep your DRM keys so trackID still works
will for one dont say that its offensive to some of us i know it is me and i just was saying if others get to do it for free then its only far thats all im saying but if i got to pay then i guss i will pay to get it done
I didn't know if any of the ATT PREORDERED NOTE 3's were out yet or not - but am curioius to find out if ATT is going to lock the bootloader for this phone like they did for the S4?
I think it is inevitable, but I was hoping that maybe they wouldn't be
If this is in the wrong forum for this, let me mknow or have the moderator delete this - I looked and couldn't find any other threads for the NOTE 3.
Anyone?
PS - if the bootler is locked for the ATT Varient - I was thinking of buying an unlocked phone - any difference between the N9000 and N9005?
99% its going to be locked. Makes me want to wait for Nexus 5. To much of a headache for Samsung.
antiochasylum said:
99% its going to be locked. Makes me want to wait for Nexus 5. To much of a headache for Samsung.
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I loved my NOTE 2 - got the S4 for the processor and camera - and want the Note 3 for the same reasons. The LOCKED BOOTLOADER thing is a bunch of crap - and it was a sad day when ATT started doing it. I doubt they will ever change policy, but I sure wish they would. It's one thing to lock a contract phone..I think I can understand their reasons for wanting to do that - but if I OWN the device - what business do they have preventing me from using it fully? arghh....oh well, fingers crossed we are both wrong - but I think your assessment was correct.
It's already been confirmed as locked by designgears. Great developer btw. Do a search. Also, look at the dev section cwm thread. Notice which models are missing? Att and Verizon.
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Also I would wait a week and wait for others to confirm the T-Mobile note 3 works on att. All data so far says it will. This has been discussed in a few threads.
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T-mobile note 3 working on AT&T as in LTE as well? 3g should work without any issue I would think.
If so it would make perfect sense to purchase a t-mobile n3 outright just for the unlocked bootloader.
Yes, LTE as well. Full compatability. Along with a few extra bands. Just need to confirm this week with a real device.
There is a bigger thread on here discussing this. Check the Q&A forum.
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mircury said:
Yes, LTE as well. Full compatability. Along with a few extra bands. Just need to confirm this week with a real device.
There is a bigger thread on here discussing this. Check the Q&A forum.
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Now for some shipping confirmation!!!!! I'm right with you!!!! Come on Negri!!!
rooted,recovered,and rebooted from the ol' i777.......
So what does the future look like for the N900A? Does the locked bootloader mean the only way to obtain root access will be through an exploit someone may eventually stumble upon? Will it most likely never be flashable, or is anything a possibility at this point? I have one on preorder and it's feeling like more of a downgrade all the time...
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So what does the future look like for the N900A? Does the locked bootloader mean the only way to obtain root access will be through an exploit someone may eventually stumble upon? Will it most likely never be flashable, or is anything a possibility at this point? I have one on preorder and it's feeling like more of a downgrade all the time...
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It's basically the same situation as the AT&T S4 with the newest knox firmware. Most likely an exploit found on that will also work on the AT&T note 3. I don't think anything is 100% secure but it may be a long time till one is found. I don't know if safestrap can be adapted or not. As far as flashing roms it depends on how much the phone is locked down but in the past if it was using a signed kernel then a custom rom could be flashed as long as it kept the stock kernel. You can be sure though that some very talented people are working on it. It's just a waiting game at this point.
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It's basically the same situation as the AT&T S4 with the newest knox firmware. Most likely an exploit found on that will also work on the AT&T note 3. I don't think anything is 100% secure but it may be a long time till one is found. I don't know if safestrap can be adapted or not. As far as flashing roms it depends on how much the phone is locked down but in the past if it was using a signed kernel then a custom rom could be flashed as long as it kept the stock kernel. You can be sure though that some very talented people are working on it. It's just a waiting game at this point.
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Thanks, that gives me a bit of hope... Most people thought the PS3 would never get owned, and it obviously was As it is I'm basically buying an expensive bike with training wheels rigged to blow the tires if removed and a titanium boot permanently affixed that the most powerful blowtorch available cannot cut through.
Will the limitation on most G4 models (unrootable,locked) forever burden the independent development scene?
I wanna buy the rootable international version but I'm afraid that the limitations on other models would mean less development (less LG4 custom roms/kernel/etc to choose from).
Is this just a minor issue until someone finds a method to unlock all phones? It's literally the only reason I didn't buy it yesterday.
Patience. Root will come. Any dev who wants a $2000+ payday will figure it out soon enough, according to 1 sizeable bounty on XDA...
The phone is great without root anyway...I too desperately miss some features on the unrootable dual SIM G4, but no way near enough to stop me getting it now before root. I'd be posting this in the root thread/s, there's plenty of them...
roosta said:
Patience. Root will come. Any dev who wants a $2000+ payday will figure it out soon enough, according to 1 sizeable bounty on XDA...
The phone is great without root anyway...I too desperately miss some features on the unrootable dual SIM G4, but no way near enough to stop me getting it now before root. I'd be posting this in the root thread/s, there's plenty of them...
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There's been a higher bounty for the Galaxy s4 bootloader unlock thats been sitting for years.
Still...S4 is rooted
saantiago said:
There's been a higher bounty for the Galaxy s4 bootloader unlock thats been sitting for years.
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im sure all G4 variants get unlocked, when 815-EUR is already unlocked.
Maybe it is your tele provider that stop the unlocking?
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We got an update from a couple of devs yesterday. They currently all have root, and are looking at the best method to release. It also sounds like they are confident of a bootloader unlock as well.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-t3095919/page57
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There's been a higher bounty for the Galaxy s4 bootloader unlock thats been sitting for years.
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He's talking about the root bounty, not bootloader.
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spotmark said:
We got an update from a couple of devs yesterday. They currently all have root, and are looking at the best method to release. It also sounds like they are confident of a bootloader unlock as well.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-t3095919/page57
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After the turmoil and white knuckle fighting to unlock the seemingly impenetrable g4 bootloader i realize what true happiness is when that day arrives..... Then the g4 pro debuts and i "have" to buy it and I'm back to square one and the cycle continues.
waiting for the tmobile version to be unlocked~ >.<
I decided against waiting for it and returned my G4 -- I *might* buy it again if I see a bootloader unlock.
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There's been a higher bounty for the Galaxy s4 bootloader unlock thats been sitting for years.
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The G2 still has a locked bootloader, didn't mean anything. There are ways to bypass it, like Loki and Bump, but it is a shame that we can't just enter a couple ADB commands to get unlock and root.
Took mine back and sticking to my Lovely G3 for now
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Im about to take mine back too....
komugi said:
I decided against waiting for it and returned my G4 -- I *might* buy it again if I see a bootloader unlock.
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That was a bit silly... all dev XDA phones (G4) are rooted. They need to develop a safe and efficient alternative for end users without the potential for bricking which is why it's not released yet, so technically "we have root", but it's just not released/widespread yet. Check the other G4 boards - one of the main contributors, Autoprime, confirms my comments above. But... if you can't wait, you can't wait...
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Something I don't understand is the h815 is unlockable rootable and has custom recovery so why is there no custom rom at all surely some dev could compile cm or omni for the h815 or does no dev have been able to get an international handset yet
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roosta said:
That was a bit silly... all dev XDA phones (G4) are rooted. They need to develop a safe and efficient alternative for end users without the potential for bricking which is why it's not released yet, so technically "we have root", but it's just not released/widespread yet. Check the other G4 boards - one of the main contributors, Autoprime, confirms my comments above. But... if you can't wait, you can't wait...
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"We have root" doesn't mean anything until "I have root."
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silent_bob52637 said:
Something I don't understand is the h815 is unlockable rootable and has custom recovery so why is there no custom rom at all surely some dev could compile cm or omni for the h815 or does no dev have been able to get an international handset yet
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A very small number of people have an unlocked device. The vast majority of developers don't have one.
That's what I am trying to figure out I know its only the international that's rootable and unlockable but do no devs at all have the international handset? The source is there but I only have an old XP laptop thats to slow to compile but surely someone can
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"We have root" doesn't mean anything until "I have root."
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A very small number of people have an unlocked device. The vast majority of developers don't have one.
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It does mean something, it means root will be available soon enough, as opposed to there being no hope for it at all.
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AhsanU said:
It does mean something, it means root will be available soon enough, as opposed to there being no hope for it at all.
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Soon
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Do't worry guys, for Root is on its way. It might take a little bit of time, but it is better to wait and get a safe root method rather than end up with a bricked device.
Just remember, our Devs are people too, they have real life issues, goals, and plans, So it IS NOT like they can just sit at their computer 24/7 until they get everything wrapped up in a nice little package for you.
Didn't know where else to post this but if anyone cares to go here and comment to John Legere please do.
https://twitter.com/fordjt/status/754483458869604352
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Didn't know where else to post this but if anyone cares to go here and comment to John Legere please do.
https://twitter.com/fordjt/status/754483458869604352
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Hmm. What an interesting idea.
But we already have tons of those petitions, e-mails, telephone calls, personal letters, legals requests, etc.
So in other words... your idea has already been done... with no luck.
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Hmm. What an interesting idea.
But we already have tons of those petitions, e-mails, telephone calls, personal letters, legals requests, etc.
So in other words... your idea has already been done... with no luck.
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Roger that. I guess this can be closed then. Just outta curiosity, do you know if this is going to be the new norm? I'm on an international S7 Edge so it doesn't currently affect me, but I would like to have my wifi calling back. Have a brand new TMO S7 Edge just getting dusty.
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Roger that. I guess this can be closed then. Just outta curiosity, do you know if this is going to be the new norm? I'm on an international S7 Edge so it doesn't currently affect me, but I would like to have my wifi calling back. Have a brand new TMO S7 Edge just getting dusty.
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More than likely, yes, it will be the new norm.
There is an incredibly small chance that Samsung will go back to sending Tmo phones with unlockable bootloaders, but I would definitely not hold my breath. This is assuming that John Legere and Tmo actually did ask Samsung for an unlock like they said they did, and that Samsung decides to go back to how they used to ship the phones. Both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely by themselves, and even less so together.
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More than likely, yes, it will be the new norm.
There is an incredibly small chance that Samsung will go back to sending Tmo phones with unlockable bootloaders, but I would definitely not hold my breath. This is assuming that John Legere and Tmo actually did ask Samsung for an unlock like they said they did, and that Samsung decides to go back to how they used to ship the phones. Both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely by themselves, and even less so together.
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I'm sure they discussed it. It was likely shot down as soon as it was brought up though.
I'd bet that even if we were to ask today they'd say "We're still working on it. These things take time."
I'd bet that even two years from now they'll say the same thing too because they don't want the negative publicity. Any response starting with an "Unfortunately" won't ever be in our benefit which is all that they'll be responding with if we were to get any straight forward answer at all.
Samsung is grossly underestimating the willpower and determination of their customers. We were determined to get root and now we have it! Samsung should see that, be smart about it and decide to give us what we want. Meanwhile, if I let someone check out my (rooted) S7 Edge and let them notice how hot it is, how much the battery life sucks and how bad the lag is on most games (all due to the engineering kernel that we're forced to use) then I'd doubt very seriously that most people would want to get it. So my way of thinking is that they might as well let us flash unsigned kernels to at the very least let the phone run like normal. I've awed more people with my phone before rooting than after. I've actually shown it to my supervisor and she responded, "Why the Hell is it so hot?" I'm guessing she's not going to be upgrading now.
why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .
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why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .
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But then HTC could probably sue Samsung for using their idea. LOL!
I really doubt any of this will affect Samsungs decision to unlock. This is a great device stock and each who drops Samsung 2 will buy their devices. There is nothing out there that would persuade me to root even though TEKHD has a custom rom and our device has a method to root. Just my 2cents
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PapaMag said:
I really doubt any of this will affect Samsungs decision to unlock. This is a great device stock and each who drops Samsung 2 will buy their devices. There is nothing out there that would persuade me to root even though TEKHD has a custom rom and our device has a method to root. Just my 2cents
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Samsung won't be releasing an unlock unless it could positively effect their assets. Right now, their assets are Samsung Pay and Knox. Both of which require a secured bootloader to work. By releasing an unlocked bootloader or an method to unlock would do nothing positive for those assets. Truth is, there is nothing to gain for Samsung to release the bootloader for us so they won't be doing it. I'm certain of it.
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why Samsung can not do like HTC who wanted the opened Bootloader why torture people .
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Because Samsung has probably the best device they've ever made if not the best device currently on the market
Because Samsung S7/Edge devices are outselling the iPhone 6S/Plus
Because 99.99999% of people don't know what a bootloader unlock is, much less care about having it
Because Samsung Pay
Because a secure device enables government and corporate contracts
Because Samsung is making a ton of $$$ on these devices as they are
Because Samsung is totally OK with losing a small handful of people to HTC/Nexus devices when they can capture a much more lucrative market with a more secure device
There are likely many more reasons, but hopefully that answers why we don't have an unlocked bootloader and why we will never have an unlocked bootloader.
So with the bootloader locked, there is no way at all to install custom recovery or custom rom???
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chispas109 said:
So with the bootloader locked, there is no way at all to install custom recovery or custom rom???
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No custom recovery. We can flash with Flashfire though. Only problem is that if something doesn't work right then you'll have to restore with Odin since we can't restore with a recovery and can only access Flashfire after the phone has already booted.