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I sure hope this active desktop is disabled for the desktop version... I think we may soon have a battle of OS's soon. Especially if this is the final version the new UI it cluttered and I would expect more from Microsoft like a brand new concept for the whole system they've had over 23 years...... and it feels and look just like it did in windows v 3 but with better settings....
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Honestly, it looks better than 3.1, they also did not remove any of the previous functions, they just moved them around. I just wish people would be more open minded about getting something new rather than just have something with a new visual style or paint job. I applaud Microsoft for trying to go with a unified UI throughout their platforms, certainly a great way to reinvent something that's been around since Windows 95.
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xXy3kXx said:
I sure hope this active desktop is disabled for the desktop version... I think we may soon have a battle of OS's soon. Especially if this is the final version the new UI it cluttered and I would expect more from Microsoft like a brand new concept for the whole system they've had over 23 years...... and it feels and look just like it did in windows v 3 but with better settings....
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that was very difficult to read... :/
a brand new concept for the whole system (UI)? what, like Metro?
the issue is backward compatibility, MS is a legend for keeping it, but it can also have its downside, meaning its not always possible to completely reinvent something.
But that's beside the point, Metro and Desktop Do work great together on a desktop PC and Metro is amazing on a tablet so, just takes an open mind and a it of getting used to.

dazza9075 said:
that was very difficult to read... :/
a brand new concept for the whole system (UI)? what, like Metro?
the issue is backward compatibility, MS is a legend for keeping it, but it can also have its downside, meaning its not always possible to completely reinvent something.
But that's beside the point, Metro and Desktop Do work great together on a desktop PC and Metro is amazing on a tablet so, just takes an open mind and a it of getting used to.
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Well said dazza9075, Windows 8 is a beautiful OS but the user interface you have to look at with open mind. After using it as my main OS on both my Dell E6410, My HP ZD7249Cl and my Home built Desktop I thought I would never move away from Windows 7 but it grows on you very quickly. Now when I do use windows 7 I find my self trying to do mouse gestures that windows 7 cant do.
*sitting in class taking notes or working* "Why wont the charms bar come up, I want to put my computer to sleep... Oh wait this is Windows 7"

[Discuss] Microsoft have lost it with new W8. How it's created out of frustration.

Before I start please know that I've been a MS fan since my first desktop running Win98 and also loved MS phones when it was called 'Windows Mobile'.
I've just installed the W8 Consumer Preview out of curiosity and the beautiful Metro UI. Now, I'm a big fan of the Metro UI but not on my desktop PC please!
I'm a gfx/web designer I spend hours on PC everyday and the whole Metro and Desktop thing going on here makes me wanna kill someone!
It's hard multitasking and not that productive either. First, I blame Facebook for the whole "share" thing going on! and finally Apple's "great" iphone for this don't ask me why. If you just connect all the dots since the iphone's release you can understand how every apple competitor tried to turn their products more simpler or iphone'ish and that's the bitter truth though I absolutely hate that piece of crap!
It's like history repeating itself. How Microsoft lost all their "Windows Mobile" customers(including me) and market share when they introduced new WP7. They went average to worse! Previous "Windows Mobile" tech savvy's or a power user like me switched to Android and rest iphones.
Clearly, that was a wrong move by MS, they took risk with something new instead of improving what they already have with the "Windows Mobile".
In present, MS wants to make WP7 successful so they're feeding their successful huge community of PC users with their touch/portable OS crap! **** I even hate the term "Apps" now!! I want the gold old "softwares" back! Using W8 on my on 20" LED screen is a waste. Since the new Metro UI doesn't allow resizing any "Apps" or I cant keep more than 2 open. It's same as using apps on my 4" Android phone! Yes, I can work on the W8 stripped down desktop UI for a while but that just steals the experience when Metro is designed as the prime UI for W8.
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
No, I don't care if its just a consumer preview or whatever. Previous Win OS beta builds and final builds never had huge noticeable differences. W8 looks like it was made out of frustration.
Of course I can stick to W7 but for how long ? it's gonna saturate at some point of time. W8 has changed everything including the MetroUI. Looks like MS is killing everything they created for themselves in past years even their company logo. And of course "Windows" was the biggest part of MS' success.
In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
This is just my assumption and opinion. Personally I'm an MS fan and never thought I'd critic MS like this.
Please share your thoughts

My thoughts are, I'm sticking with w7
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Personally I Loved The Metro Ui
It Just A Fantastic Ui
Even On NoN-TouchScreen
But I Think That Microsoft Should Add The Button "Enable/Disable Metro Ui"
For Desktop Fans !

bornotty said:
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
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Tons of alternatives to both (look up Ubuntu, perhaps). No reason to be worried.
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In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
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I agree; I think the temptation to try to bundle desktop with mobile will be too strong. The problem is the explosive growth of small devices, compared to the slacking growth of PCs.

The failure oft Ms ist, Thats they direct kill the Old style Startmenu. It would habe been a Wetter way Tod implement Metro as a Kind of Background replacement in an classic environment. So you would have the free choice of your Personal experience.
But wich the current way, you Are forced To Use the experience , they want .
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.

Arnt there enough "I h8 windows 8" threads already?!?
The basic function of the operating system are fundamentally the same. The start menus functionality is the same, it just looks different. The lost start button is replaced by a function tile in an identical place which works in the same way. The jumping in and out of the start menu is as quick as it ever was. The desktop works in the same way as it always did. Apps are on almost all platforms now.
So I guess I'm saying, I don't get you. Windows 7 will still exist, my god there are still people running vista & there were some real problems to complain about there.

I live the fact that when I type it starts searching
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My biggest peeve so far is that it seems to ditch functionality in favor of flair.
I have no problem with a beautiful UI--but Metro is, on a rather consistent basis, slowing down my workflow.
For example, open settings in Metro, and you are greeted with a side tab with a few options: Settings, Help, Network, blah blah blah, and what's this? More settings.
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
And why the hell isn't there just a simple "Settings" tile in the Metro start screen? That's what I would look for first--but no, you have to hover your mouse over the bottom right corner, then mouse up and click settings, only to be asked which of the two pointless menus you'd like to access. And if you really want to do anything worthwhile with your PC's settings, you're in the completely wrong frigging place, because Microsoft had the infinite foresight to make the control panel completely separate from the settings menu.

I hate the start up screen and how it makes me grab the screen with the mouse like a touch screen to get it out of the way.
I hate how it hooks me up completely to MSN, making me log into my desktop and MSN at the same time.
I hate how unintuitive the mash of Metro and Desktop is. If you open IE from Metro and IE from the Desktop - why do they launch separate instances that don't look the same, act the same...it is pure garbage.
The list goes on and on... but lets run into the first three things I found WRONG in the first 30 seconds.

Simply avoid Metro UI as much as possible if you're using your PC for highly productive work. While Metro UI is great for entertaining, e.g. reading books, watching movies, social network etc. it simply cannot handle multiple tasks at the same time.
I don't work on Metro UI either, but now I've got used to staying with the classic UI. The only thing that's still frustrating is some great features can only be found in Metro style. Like skydrive integration, mail and people etc. I wish there were equivalent applications on classic desktop, so I don't have to switch between two interfaces from time to time.

Sorry to hear your disappointment. I actually like the Metro UI. I give MS credit for doing something different instead of re-hashing to same old user interface.
Only issue so far is jumping back and forth between Metro and old Win7 style. Nevertheless, to each his own.

dialupboy said:
When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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Lol this like the other 20 "I hate windows 8" posts are all just troll boards. You may be clear on your "facts" but your facts arnt facts, there opinions, & you know what they say about opinions "opinions are like arseholes, everyone got them!
Come on mods, lock this thread! There are enough Microsoft sucks threads already.
I personally come to xda dev for answers not opinions. You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it. Just leave us folks to discuss real issues (harware/software) conflicts and solutions.

bornotty said:
Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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bah I AM using it on my pc with kb and mouse, I don't see "the problems" , it is fast , easy to use , sure you need to learn new things, but I am sure 8 years old kid wont have problem with the new stuff. You and others like you are just whiners, Pathetic.

i never understood why almost every os had a start-menu-like button in one of its corners. it has never been user friendly, klicking and klicking and more and more "apps" Pop up it's getting confusing. that has never been intuitiv from the beginnung and just got it because we were used to it. and it was kind of stupid, why just using a small part of the screen for one of the most importing tasks: getting an app/program/software started.
i love the new Metro ui, even on the pc. and your just one click away from a Desktop-similar experience so wtf is everybody worrying about?

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You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.

For me it's great so far

Tsenru said:
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
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Because that's the general settings section for each application and not for the entire system. It saves you from searching for the settings menu for each app. So it's more integrated into the Metro-UI. It is quite convinient.

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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
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Don't buy from Dell etc. Build your own and download Ubuntu etc. I've never HAD to buy an operating system & all the companies that preinstall windows sell over priced rubbish anyway.

Is the Nexus 7 really a tablet?

While I have been initially impressed with the hardware, having most of my apps appear as just larger phone apps is annoying. My original reaction to this was "it will get better", right? Now I am not so sure. Did Google screw the pooch on this one?
Case in point: Grocery IQ, an often used app has been recently updated to a tablet version "yay!". But initially this update broke both the phone and tablet version on Nexus 7. I contacted the developer and was told they were aware of the issue and a fix would be released soon.
Got that new release this morning, the phone version, not the tablet version. Tablet version is incompatible with the Nexus 7. So... yet another app that has a tablet version, but not on the Nexus 7.
So is the iPad Mini the only 7-8 inch tablet available or do the Samsung 7 inchers behave like a tablet too? And what has Google left out of the dev environment that has developers of apps like Grocery IQ and Trip Advisor issuing their phone apps to the Nexus 7 and not their tablet counterparts?

It does get rather annoying just having a "big" phone, I'd love to see some tablet apps appearing PROPERLY on the Nexus 7.
But thats Android in general at the moment, everything is scaled and all look the same!

And don't forget the lazy companies, that, instead of releasing just the phone app, or tablet app, just block and ban an app for the nexus 7.
ChatOn for example -.- finally got my guys to use it, and now I have to search for a new chat app -.- and the support just says "thx for your mail" blah blah.... But we'll see what the future brings...
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Some tablet apps work, like news 360 and that is brillaint and the Times app worked as tablet. Only thing what annoys me is Chrome always requests mobile sites.

It's the fault of lazy or incompetent developers.
It really takes no magic to check for tvdpi (IIRC) and then load the tablet layout XML - but they just fail to do it.
But they'll get what they deserve. Their apps will get lesser downloads over time and people will move to the apps doing it right.

And it's also not hard to just release the app until they fixed it.. Why banning... I don't get it..
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Blaming the app developers is not really the smart route. Google has had plenty of time to make the n7 a tablet ui. We are on the fourth revision (4.1, 4.1.1, 4.2, 4.2.1) and google has actually moved further away form tablet ui by removing all remaining framework for it in 4.2. In this instance, looking any further than google when assigning blame would be silly. But, those kinds of things make you appreciate our xda devs just that much more when they release fixes for us all.
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rebel1699 said:
google has actually moved further away form tablet ui by removing all remaining framework for it in 4.2.
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Wrong.
Don't confuse the complete "tablet UI" with the launcher and notification area.
The notification area is actually THE ONYL thing they changed.
The UI still uses fragments when in "tablet (UI) mode" - just compare the settings app with the default DPI and then edit it to 160, big difference there.

change from iphone 4s to Nexus 4?

hi guys i'm a new member to this community and i'm ready to change from apple and IOS to android which i have never use..
i have find to sell my iphone and with that money to buy the nexus 4. During the last 3 weeks i have read and view many reviews about the nexus 4 and i believe it's a great phone !
what do you think will be the difficulties that i will face during this transition between the two different softwares??
is finally the nexus 4 a better phone than the iphone 4s?
thanks in advance for your answers!!

If your a techie, you shouldn't have any problems and you should be able to guide yourself through Android. Everything you need is in the Notification Drawer! You might have a hard time adjusting to no physical home button, but you'll get used to it. Music is just drag and drop, or it would be worth it to download Google Play Music on your computer and sync your music in the cloud. Just explore the phone the day you get it. I personally like the overall look and feel of Android more than iOS. Welcome to the best Android experience out there, a Nexus 4!!!
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Gorjira said:
If your a techie, you shouldn't have any problems and you should be able to guide yourself through Android. Everything you need is in the Notification Drawer! You might have a hard time adjusting to no physical home button, but you'll get used to it. Music is just drag and drop, or it would be worth it to download Google Play Music on your computer and sync your music in the cloud. Just explore the phone the day you get it. I personally like the overall look and feel of Android more than iOS. Welcome to the best Android experience out there, a Nexus 4!!!
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thanks for your answer!!!

Like most iPhone users, you're going to spend weeks posting threads asking how to exactly replicate iPhone functionality before realizing that the Android experience is different and you just need to learn new ways of working.
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stefanos7 said:
hi guys i'm a new member to this community and i'm ready to change from apple and IOS to android which i have never use..
i have find to sell my iphone and with that money to buy the nexus 4. During the last 3 weeks i have read and view many reviews about the nexus 4 and i believe it's a great phone !
what do you think will be the difficulties that i will face during this transition between the two different softwares??
is finally the nexus 4 a better phone than the iphone 4s?
thanks in advance for your answers!!
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Any phone is better than an iPhone.
Just kidding, but seriously. don't get me wrong, iPhones are good phones, they really are. People get them cause they like them, I get androids because I like them. Spec wise, Nexus 4 blows iPhones away. IMO, Nexus 4's are way better than any of the iPhones out right now. I talked to my friends who went from iPhones to Androids, and they said the only difficulty they had was getting used to how the OS is. iPhones are simple, and straight forward. Theres not much you can change about an iPhone unless you jailbreak it. Androids are customizable right out of the box.Only problem you MIGHT face is getting used to android.

@mrjoeltan: I agree with you, just want to add: I feel that android, starting jelly bean, doesn't require any customization. Let me explain.
For the longest time, people compared android to iOS this way: iOS you can't customize, but it works pretty amazingly right out of the box. Android, on the other hand, can be customized to incredible levels; however, right out of the box it is not a great experience. And up till jelly bean, I agreed with this claim.
What I think changed in the last half year is that now android (jelly bean, so Nexus 4 for sure) is as amazing out of the box as iOS, with the added ability to customize the sh*t out of it if you want to.
To not be completely off topic:
There will be very few things you need to "learn" during transition. I think the largest one is the way system handles settings of notifications and alerts: b/c iOS uses only its own push notifications, all sound settings for all apps are done in the "settings" app. Android is a bit different- the apps keep a service running in background for themselves, and so you have to edit sound/alert settings in the apps themselves. The reward for this is that apps can have more advanced notifications with popup menus, repeated alerts etc. They will all appear in your notification drawer, but they can do more.
Music is simple drag-and-drop.
Other difference is handling of files. PDFs will first download, only then you can click on them to view them. They will be stored in the "Download" folder, accessible either via the "Downloads" app or via file manager of your choice (I recommend installing one).
If you have more apps that allow opening some file (ie, you have Adobe Reader and the built-in quickoffice viewer), when you click on a PDF (or some other supported file, even link), you will have a window allowing you to choose what program should open the given file. (don't worry, you can set defaults and not worry about it again)
I suggest you set all google maps links to default to the google maps app, not the browser. Similarly, set all youtube links to go to the youtube app, not the browser.
Hope I helped!

matus201 said:
@mrjoeltan: I agree with you, just want to add: I feel that android, starting jelly bean, doesn't require any customization. Let me explain.
For the longest time, people compared android to iOS this way: iOS you can't customize, but it works pretty amazingly right out of the box. Android, on the other hand, can be customized to incredible levels; however, right out of the box it is not a great experience. And up till jelly bean, I agreed with this claim.
What I think changed in the last half year is that now android (jelly bean, so Nexus 4 for sure) is as amazing out of the box as iOS, with the added ability to customize the sh*t out of it if you want to.
To not be completely off topic:
There will be very few things you need to "learn" during transition. I think the largest one is the way system handles settings of notifications and alerts: b/c iOS uses only its own push notifications, all sound settings for all apps are done in the "settings" app. Android is a bit different- the apps keep a service running in background for themselves, and so you have to edit sound/alert settings in the apps themselves. The reward for this is that apps can have more advanced notifications with popup menus, repeated alerts etc. They will all appear in your notification drawer, but they can do more.
Music is simple drag-and-drop.
Other difference is handling of files. PDFs will first download, only then you can click on them to view them. They will be stored in the "Download" folder, accessible either via the "Downloads" app or via file manager of your choice (I recommend installing one).
If you have more apps that allow opening some file (ie, you have Adobe Reader and the built-in quickoffice viewer), when you click on a PDF (or some other supported file, even link), you will have a window allowing you to choose what program should open the given file. (don't worry, you can set defaults and not worry about it again)
I suggest you set all google maps links to default to the google maps app, not the browser. Similarly, set all youtube links to go to the youtube app, not the browser.
Hope I helped!
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thank you all for your help!!
I have just ordered the 16 gb with the official bumper!!
i will return with my first impressions as soon as I have it in my hands!

Welcome to the world of Android. You will really enjoy the Nexus 4. The phone is smooth as butter and the customization is fantastic. I actually replaced the standard launcher with Nova Prime launcher as it offers even more customization than the standard launcher.

if you have your iphone jailbroken, it will be easier to port to Android, have fun..

Definitely get back and let us know if you have any questions - I just held my boyfriend's hand through his iPhone to Nexus 4 transition (I give great Valentines presents!), so I'm sure some of your questions will either pop up for him or already have.

calanizzle said:
if you have your iphone jailbroken, it will be easier to port to Android, have fun..
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I have jailbroken it in the past once but now my iphone is without
qocarekeri said:
Definitely get back and let us know if you have any questions - I just held my boyfriend's hand through his iPhone to Nexus 4 transition (I give great Valentines presents!), so I'm sure some of your questions will either pop up for him or already have.
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thank you (great gift!!)
I'm sure about that
how does your boyfriend finally feel with your gift??
does he miss the iphone?

You wont regret buying and android device like the nexus 4.
IMO android is much more flexible customisable and powerful than iOS. The iOS is soo God darn easy to use because there isn't much to do in it. It has a homescreen and... Well that's pretty much it!
But android 4.0+ combines ease of use and great functionality. Once you switch to android and start using all of its features, you'll never go back.
Oh and BTW, I think the Nexus 4 looks damn sexy, looks better than an iPhone.

stefanos7 said:
I have jailbroken it in the past once but now my iphone is without
thank you (great gift!!)
I'm sure about that
how does your boyfriend finally feel with your gift??
does he miss the iphone?
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There was an adjustment period for him - how do I get X, where can I find apps, where is X setting.
He was a little pouty at the beginning of the process, but after a month or so, he's up and running and very happy. The main thing that he missed was a collection settings that covered all apps.
-Keri

qocarekeri said:
There was an adjustment period for him - how do I get X, where can I find apps, where is X setting.
He was a little pouty at the beginning of the process, but after a month or so, he's up and running and very happy. The main thing that he missed was a collection settings that covered all apps.
-Keri
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Yeah I can see how that could be a problem. However I went the other way (Android to an iPad) and was greatly dissatisfied with the super easy and noob setting of iOS.
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.

wngmv said:
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.
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And when you decide to do so, follow the link in my signature. Do not use a toolkit!
Good luck with it all, you'll love it! Let us know if you need any help. :thumbup:

wngmv said:
Yeah I can see how that could be a problem. However I went the other way (Android to an iPad) and was greatly dissatisfied with the super easy and noob setting of iOS.
On topic, I would suggest OP to use the phone for a couple months, before venturing into any customization options (rooting, kernels, ROMs, launchers etc). Getting used to Android could take you a while but once you get used to it your production will be greatly improved.
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Yeah, I used an iPad recently and I actually found it very counter-intuitive having all of the individual app settings under the general settings app. I wanted to sign out of the email app for example but I genuinely could not find a way to do it from within the app itself, and ended up having to go to settings then manage accounts or something similar. In Android I just hit menu in any app I'm using and I can be certain that there will be some sort of settings or options button, which to me seems much more logical since if I want to change an app setting the likelihood is that I'm using that app already. Obviously the opposite will apply for users moving from iOS to Android, but I think I'm just so used to Android now that iOS simply doesn't work for me.

Vangelis13 said:
And when you decide to do so, follow the link in my signature. Do not use a toolkit!
Good luck with it all, you'll love it! Let us know if you need any help. :thumbup:
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ok thanks a lot for your help i will follow your advice !!
however you could find a better avatar!! the red one!!!heheh
na sai kala!!

Ability to remove skin soon to be unveiled from Google?

Hello
An interesting article I read today with regards to the skins OEM put on android devices (touchwiz) that leads to fragmentation.
Interesting quote from the article,
"I believe this Android update underscores Google’s new vision for OEMs has hardware producers only! Android 4.4 is a trojan horse of unification - it will give Google the tools it needs to completely wipe a skin from a device with a simple download from the Play Store."
If this turns out to be true it can have a major impact on the Galaxy Note products due to it being so reliant on touchwiz. Also I do not know how deeply integrated touchwiz is on Android so I guess time will tell.
http://techtainian.com/news/2013/10...l-reclaim-android-and-unify-holo-with-kennedy

Great article. Thanks for posting the link. I hate touchwizz and love simple vanilla android which you get on the nexus devices. Android needs to be simple to use and I find using touchwizz requires a another learning curve and it just irritates me. I think manufactures should use stock android and then install custom launchers and apps. Commercially google wants to retain the rains of android which will also be a business decision. I can see the advantages for Joe public who could just pick up any android device and know it works like any other device. I want the choice to pick either without having to root a device and install custom firmware.

andyzarins said:
Great article. Thanks for posting the link. I hate touchwizz and love simple vanilla android which you get on the nexus devices. Android needs to be simple to use and I find using touchwizz requires a another learning curve and it just irritates me.
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Vanilla is good but then you don't get S Pen and multi window. And nexus devices come without SD Support.

ddavtian said:
Vanilla is good but then you don't get S Pen and multi window. And nexus devices come without SD Support.
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These two things do not apply to one another whatsoever. Samsung could put S-Pen, SD, and multi-window support on their devices without the UI overhaul. The two are not in any way connected.

It makes perfect sense for them to put stock android in their tablets and make the S-Note, multi window etc available via the playstore.
Honestly, I don't know about Samsung's and Google relationship as it stands today but if Google does makes an app that allows the user to remove OEM skins than it might be the start of the downfall between the two companies.
On a side note there are rumours that the new Nexus 10 is Asus built not Samsung.

Not a rumour. Asus is building the new nexus 10. One the fence about buying the new 10.1 or waiting for the new nexus.